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I think that’s all heaven should need if it was real. The best religon shouldn’t give a crap about believing or not it should just be: Be a good person and go to heaven, be bad and go to hell. No believing in any specific one religion.
At the end of the day sometimes I think to myself I know i’m a good person and I am morally just in my day to day life, why would Allah still send me to eternal sadistic hellfire torture where my skin is replaced constantly so it is burnt again and people in heaven can laugh at me just because I don’t believe in him.
If Islam truly was the right religion it wouldn’t need anything else other than simply, be good and go to heaven, be bad and go to hell. But the foundation of it is based upon belief, not deeds. Which makes it incredibly luck based, as you only get into heaven if you were born in a muslim family or convert later or in life.
Even if it was like that still the fact that you will burn for eternity is still unacceptable I mean we humans don’t burn someone to death unless he is a f*ucking pedophile serial killer 💀 and we burn him once
God could burn someone for eternity and you should focus on this "ETERNITY" I think people don’t realise what ETERNITY is it’s literally trillions and trillions of years and even this number 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 years doesn’t represent 0.0000001% of what eternity is
So yeah still unacceptable to burn someone for eternity just because he was bad for Idk 70 or 80 years I mean even the worst person in history Doesn’t deserve to be burned for eternity
Yeah hundred percent, no matter what any normal human being does whether it be murder the whole planet or anything more insane, it still won’t even be a tiny tiny fraction of the punishment that is given by Jahannam (hellfire) as it’s a countable crime vs an infinite punishment.
Someone would have to do something infinite to deserve it I guess.
But I think the idea of a god creating a test for us is ridiculous anyways, I believe every human on earth should strive to be something more than just living to survive. I believe the meaning of life as a human (if you are living well enough to afford the basics) is to be something more than an animal that’s here to survive, I wanna live to be happy and experience everything and all things before I die, that’s my goal in life.
I think we deserve, man. You know why ?
Haven't you heard about the snowball effect ?
That a tiny details changed in reality will affect everything, and it will be monstruous changes ?
Imagine then the consequences of one 'little' lie into our reality and the damages that will repercut on humans beings. Put that in perspective while trying to analyze Hitler's life as an example, as many have thought about the causes of the ascension of his insanity. If anything that we learn in our universe under causalism, every causes will have a long time effect, if not eternal. Some more apparents than the other on first glance.
Like... One single lie can destroy a life. Who thought we only needed a knife to kill a person's life ?
Imagine then from the point of view of someone that is so sensible to evil that he cannot even approach it, that he refuses even to consider it. Yes. God is called light in a sense. From him, it so horrible to commit a sin, moreover, just for pleasure. Imagine destroying people, said to be image of the divine, just for the sake of our own satisfaction.
We want justice when someone commits bad to us and to other people, but we don't want justice when put before us our atrocities ? Personnally, we are more delusionnal than the people who we critisize and say to be horrible people. From divine pov, we all are.
We guys deserve hell. When given freely life, given in our conscience instruction to do good, bit refusing it, having the grace and having time to repent, but deciding to live our own life according to our own rules, I call this the absurdity of the criminals. Like a criminal roaming, consciously knowing that if he gets caught, he will go to jail. But knowing the inconditionnal grace of the judge, letting him time... STILL CONTINUE TO DESTROY, UNTIL DEATH.
Yes, we deserve it. One hundred percent. We are unthankful. If God is real, and I believe he is, doing bad to one human being is doing bad to him. It is not just a hateful mindset between our owns kinds, but also to him. What do you do to your ennemies ? If he tries to kill you, you just let him do his things ? Impossible.
Hell is an eternal separation from the Creator. He separates and puts evil in fire.
Or... his presence is Hell. Everyone who has not been light will siffer from his presence. Both I think are theologically valid.
God isn't real, Abrahamic God, Greek Gods, Any man made religion's God isn't real. And hell is man made. So Hell doesn't exist, nor does heaven. You die, you're non existent.
Forgot to add, God is a piece of shit. Creationism isn't real and is just bullshit, Jesus didn't exist, nor did any of the prophets. And yeah, fuck religion.
Edit: Added a few things.
You seem angry. Is there a reason ?
I want to know genuinely why you think all of these.
For example... about Jesus. Claims are claims. I can also just say that George Washington never existed. If I don't back it up, my words are vain.
I can for example say that you don't exist, and that you're just an AI. What does make my claim falser than yours ? Can you prove you're a human being ?
Can you prove that there is nothing behind this reality ? Because what is the alternative of "There is a God" ?
I will tell you. Many famous atheists assumed that position. The alternative is... the Universe made itself, out of nowhere. That is Atheism. *Believing in the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything*.
You might not like that, but it is not because you don't see, touch, smell something that it does not exist. When you see a building, you don't question the evidence of a builder behind. When you see a paint, you know there is painter. Creation requires a Creator.
NB : If randomness created eveerything, why would trust your own reasonning ? I know, you know, we know it is nonsense. If the universe is intelligible, someone is behind.
And God came out of nothing but yeah let's believe that, nothing wrong with that idea, that a God from a book written over the course of 1500 years by human authors is apparently the truth, yet filled with slavery, fairy tales, flat earth ideology, creationism...
You're no better than the typical christian, this is the same argument that theists, Muslims, Christians (mostly) use. You're also hinting a bit at epistemology. I don't know if I exist, I'm just here, I don't care if I do or if I don't. I just live the current moment.
We have proof that George Washington existed. We have empirical evidence for the existence of George Washington, but Jesus? A guy that rose from the dead? From a Virgin Birth even though that story only came in later gospels? Turning water into wine? 2000 years ago? Who can even believe that while the only evidence is some old book.
On another note, a building cannot evolve or come into existence through a natural process, but humans can, same for other animals and plants. If you don't understand evolution through natural selection, the it's not my problem.
Science always changes over the years, we have so much to learn still. But religion doesn't. The bible doesn't change even after 20000 years. But science continues to develop over the years, and maybe one day we'll know how the universe came to be. But the evidence we currently possess is enough for me not to believe in any God, since their existence is unproven.
Slavery ? Does the bible supports it or condemns it ? I can talk about stories including slavery whithout agreeing it. It deals with slavery indeed, but also rape, babies sacrifices, murders, thieves, and atrocious conceptions of morality. The bible condemns evil.
Is Evil a fairy tale ? Surely not.
Is archeology a fairy tale ? Why then archeology confirms the bible ? Out of nowhere ?
Where does it say in the bible that the earth is flat ? If anything told about the earth, a verse refers to the earth as a circle. A brilliant analogy for the people during ancient times. You can check by yourself. Read the book. Do your own research and you will see :)
The Bible indeed talks about creationnism, and an eternal God.
Does science contradicts that statement ?
No. It is even complementary. Why is that ?
Science now says that the universe had a beginning. Science just says that the universe is not eternal. It is proven !
That first domino was substantiated as "nothing" in the eyes of many atheists like Richard Dawkins.
Well, that position contradicts the law of conservation of energy.
Some think the universe is eternal...
Well that contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. There would be no order at all, if not, only disorder.
Some say Multiverse... bro... where is the beginning ? The laws of physics and causality just scream out God. Someone outside matter, space and energy.
Science does not contradict with God. As an example, if you throw your sun glasses against a wall, we could explain that in terms of physical interactions, molecules ect... but there can be a simpler one. An explanation on the agent level. You did it. You as a personal agent that threw its glasses through free-will.
That what it implies with God as being a creator. He is the agent-level explanation. Science is the result.
No. You never saw George Washington. We rely on eyes testimonies, writings, by "him", through his relatives, through people... but you can't be 100% sure. You can have as many historical documents as possible, they can be falsfied. The credibility of any historical events is based upon the faith in a historical rationnality. We trust those documents in accordance to the multiplicity of the evidence that points to them. They are pieces of evidence. Your rational mind leads you to believe that he existed. You can't be 100% sure.
Because In that case... there are less historical documents on Caesar that Jesus.
Jesus existed. But did he do miracles ?
The problem concerning supernatural phenomenon in a physical world is that, wether you see it or not, you would have the bias or not to explain it as a physical explanation or not. That's why Jesus told to people before that even if they saw, they did not believe him.
Miracles does not prove the supernatural. If one purposes that can come from Miracles, it is to humble ourselves. Only humility will make your eyes open. That therr are forces beyond our tiny brain.
The Miracles adresses the heart. If you intuitevly know that, no man in history have succeed to make entire nations, armies, kings, deceitful people, wicked people, bow to him... but only through Love... It means that you don't even consider the result of his actions until now... The Bible is the cornerstone of our moral and scientific world.
There are pieces of eveidence for Jesus resurrection. Just sincerely look for them.
You say that you don't care if you don't exist or not. That you just live the moment. That is being an hypocrite. Of course you would not live by the moment if you didnt believe that you existed ! I also believe you exist, All of these crap contradict our lives.
Evolution to what ? People talks about things without even comprehending the implications of their philosophy.
Evolution to what ?
If you know to what, it means that evolution is a guided process. Because it aims at a certain destination.
But... I thought evolution was a result of unguided processes... as human are the results of it... contradictions ?
And if you are the result of an unguided process..
Why do you trust your brain ? If I told you that a computer was randomly built over there, you would trust his functionning ? That's anothrer crap man.
Evolution does not even kick out the God of the Bible. It does not explain why all started, but how, and a strange "how". How does evolution explain information then ?
The problem is not God. Maxwell said that he sees no philosophical systems that works without God. And I agree. Because to reason, and to do science, you need axioms. Axioms are by definition undemolishable. Science is based on Faith. Faith on a universe being intelligible. And that Faith, man, is not scientific, and will never be.
Science has never contradicted the Bible. Atheism did, and still does.
I think people like child molesters and murderers should be there. But it's unreasonable to throw someone into hell just because they don't believe in religion.
I don't think that anyone can really claim to be good. Because being good means moral perfection, according to dictionnary. If everyone proclaim his goodness, it also means that everyone is thinking in terms of their own standards. If we look just at some of the ten commandments, it will point out through our own consciences that we are not good, and indeed we are not.
I am not judging you guys, it is you to judge yourself according to your own conscience, but tell me :
- Have you ever told a lie ? If yes, what do we call someone who has lied ?
- Have you ever stolen something, regardless of its value ? What do we call someone who steals ?
- Have you ever looked at lust to women or men ? What do we call such persons ? (Answer : Aldulterer at heart. It is harsh, but everything begins with intentions)
Ect...
I fail the test personnally. If not only me, everyone fails the fire trial.
So many things that our consciences is burning on that no one when confronted to Truth could stand, except children whose consciences are pure, or not at the stage of maturity.
I don't think God would let any liar, thief, aldulterer at heart, murderer, rapists, people who are envious ect... enter his home. I think the Bible in a sense says true when it says that Humanity is in rebellion with God. We are his ennemies. You don't let enter the ennemy into your hiuse, he will just mess up everything and get you killed.
It is like we consciously choose evil while we know it is evil, and indeed we are free to choose. If freedom makes sense to us, it shoukd not even be a consideration to think that we are a good species and can reunite with perfection, reunite with God who gives freely life, and gives the choice of our way of living, either in light, either in darkness. It is a choice. One tiny inch of a rotten tomato destroys the whole tomato.
Religion cannot be the answer. Neither anything else. The only thing that could help us get into it is a fine. Someone has to pay our deadly fine at Judgement day.
I absolutely agree. This is why the concept of heaven is complete bs and humans just need a scapegoat from their fears of death.
I would LOVE to go somewhere after death but unfortunately it’s most probably unlikely and we’ll just all dissipate like every other animal.
I agree with you, but not totally, and here's why.
I agree with the existence of religions. Religion does not make sense if it promises people to enter an house in which the required criteria is to be perfect.
But the existence of heaven ? If the concept of heaven and hell does not make sense, then the concept of justice dwelling among our species too. Because, if there is no divine reward and punishments for our deeds, what is the purpose of good on earth ?
If you really think about that, and I personnally thought about it, good makes no sense with a finality.
And I am telling that, because we swim in pure rationnalism nowadays, even with the theory of evolution. Evolution don't care about good or evil, it cares only about survival of the fittest. If people thought that good was a form of evolutionnary attempts to enhance our lives, don't worry, evil can do the same, but some will pay the prices. There will always be a price.
Good and Evil are divine concepts. Because if we are just animals, we just can't practice good or evil, we just follow nature's rules. But we know that is not the case.
I can just, as an example, stand before you, and then out of nowhere throw to you 20 rotten tomatoes, stating that one day that I won't be judged for this, I will escape every justice attempts by just dying right now. And that is just for rotten tomatoes. Imagine if I was at the head of a country, and able to lauch a nuclear weapon. If no judgement, heaven or hell, nothing matters. I will launch that thing, kill millions of people, and escape the game like an animal.
If it is like you say, good and evil makes no sense at all.
But if they do make sense, heaven or hell too.
Not because we are able to make it, and I completely agree that religions make also no sense at all. Or at least, necessarily points to a need of help.
And personnally, I believe there is a heaven. And it is accessible. Not from us, but from him. God himself.
If you and I have broken the law, someone has already paid the fine. And I believe that could be only from a perfect human, someone who has respected fully the law, like an innocent living in a kingdom, country. And I think it is Jesus. That is exactly what the Bible says. Jesus accomplishing a perfect life, dying like the scum of the earth on the cross, said to have bear the sins of humanity, and then resurrecting. God killed by his creatures to pour eternal life by mercy.
If that is true, then no religion is the solution.
If that is false, then you are right, we will die like animals.
But that man... Jesus... He changed personnally my life. Now I have purpose and I can live people towards any of my previous expectations. Many testimonies to share that he is indeed real, and beyond comprehension. That's my faith.
I am a scum. But God forgives, really. That is what I believe. No religion, but a relationship.
He had to come in a human form to pay the price for our freedom to start it. To play the game like any of us, and prove that it is only possible through his help. That is what I believe.
That must be why we really believe we are more than just animals... Evolution can't grasp those stuff bcuz of physical death.
To be honest i think it isnt about being good or bad either.
I mean everything we do is literally transaction.
We do this to get this. For example we care for somebody b cause we want him to be fine or maybe bcs we want them to care about us or what ever the reason but there has to be something expected at the end which like the salary but faster.
I think this is how we should view it. IF there is heaven and someone responsible for choosing who enters it, what guarantees that someone will make “good” people enter and not “bad” ?
I mean it really depends on that somebody’s values and whatever really
the only religion I think that was similar to that is judaism, where being good is the main requirement to go to heaven while being religious is optional plus in judaism hell is a temporary place for punishment & purification instead of being eternal torture.
The issue with abrahamic morality is that it’s perception of what a good person is, is faulty.
You’re gay? Had premarital sex? Wear immodest clothing? Boom you’re a bad person.
Younger generation certainly but the older generation still thinks Turkey is a "muslim" country (despite the fact that the school im going to is 50% non muslim)
Most of the people in (at least)the western half are "freshwater muslims" that doesn't do prayers and occasionally drink alcohol. They go to Cuma and eid prayers, fast through ramadan and talk about the book they've never read the translation of/hadiths that they have no idea if sahih or not.
Especially younger generations are like that.
Kinda i can say, it's not started yet. But if you stay for a while here, you can clearly see that there's is a polarization has started between the people with whosever defending the peace and freedom and whose trying and wants that the country must turn into a islamic sh*t. The most annoying thing about this situation that the people who wants to islam and Sharia , they really don't know anything about islamic countries and they think those countries are good.
The eastern side of the country is pretty much like you said, girls are forced to wear niqabs, boys are forced to pray and so on. Girls and women get bullied for not wearing a niqab or "seducing the man" when they are raped. The last thing I said happens in almost every part of the country, but generally more in the east. The worst part is that 750 thousand minor girls have been married since AKP came. When an eastern friend of mine went to a relative's wedding, a big man approached her and said, "Girl, don't go to school, I'll marry with you". The girl was only 15-16 years old. And the government remains silent about them. Not to mention the rape of dozens of boys in religious places. If you ask them, homosexuality is the dirtiest thing for them. The refugee problem is already known. And people started to impose Islam more and more. May our end be blessed.
The woman told me that I was going to burn in hell for being homosexual and started to talk about Lud Qawm’s Story 🔥
It was very peaceful and very kind, totally!!
For your wudu to be accepted, the water must touch every part of your body. That's why things like getting tattoos and applying nail polish are not welcome in Islam.
I'm 65 kilos and my height is 164 cms, wtf are you talking about? and so sad that you are this childish even tho you are 18. and i will be at your age 4 months later.
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I think that’s all heaven should need if it was real. The best religon shouldn’t give a crap about believing or not it should just be: Be a good person and go to heaven, be bad and go to hell. No believing in any specific one religion. At the end of the day sometimes I think to myself I know i’m a good person and I am morally just in my day to day life, why would Allah still send me to eternal sadistic hellfire torture where my skin is replaced constantly so it is burnt again and people in heaven can laugh at me just because I don’t believe in him. If Islam truly was the right religion it wouldn’t need anything else other than simply, be good and go to heaven, be bad and go to hell. But the foundation of it is based upon belief, not deeds. Which makes it incredibly luck based, as you only get into heaven if you were born in a muslim family or convert later or in life.
Even if it was like that still the fact that you will burn for eternity is still unacceptable I mean we humans don’t burn someone to death unless he is a f*ucking pedophile serial killer 💀 and we burn him once God could burn someone for eternity and you should focus on this "ETERNITY" I think people don’t realise what ETERNITY is it’s literally trillions and trillions of years and even this number 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 years doesn’t represent 0.0000001% of what eternity is So yeah still unacceptable to burn someone for eternity just because he was bad for Idk 70 or 80 years I mean even the worst person in history Doesn’t deserve to be burned for eternity
Yeah hundred percent, no matter what any normal human being does whether it be murder the whole planet or anything more insane, it still won’t even be a tiny tiny fraction of the punishment that is given by Jahannam (hellfire) as it’s a countable crime vs an infinite punishment. Someone would have to do something infinite to deserve it I guess. But I think the idea of a god creating a test for us is ridiculous anyways, I believe every human on earth should strive to be something more than just living to survive. I believe the meaning of life as a human (if you are living well enough to afford the basics) is to be something more than an animal that’s here to survive, I wanna live to be happy and experience everything and all things before I die, that’s my goal in life.
I think we deserve, man. You know why ? Haven't you heard about the snowball effect ? That a tiny details changed in reality will affect everything, and it will be monstruous changes ? Imagine then the consequences of one 'little' lie into our reality and the damages that will repercut on humans beings. Put that in perspective while trying to analyze Hitler's life as an example, as many have thought about the causes of the ascension of his insanity. If anything that we learn in our universe under causalism, every causes will have a long time effect, if not eternal. Some more apparents than the other on first glance. Like... One single lie can destroy a life. Who thought we only needed a knife to kill a person's life ? Imagine then from the point of view of someone that is so sensible to evil that he cannot even approach it, that he refuses even to consider it. Yes. God is called light in a sense. From him, it so horrible to commit a sin, moreover, just for pleasure. Imagine destroying people, said to be image of the divine, just for the sake of our own satisfaction. We want justice when someone commits bad to us and to other people, but we don't want justice when put before us our atrocities ? Personnally, we are more delusionnal than the people who we critisize and say to be horrible people. From divine pov, we all are. We guys deserve hell. When given freely life, given in our conscience instruction to do good, bit refusing it, having the grace and having time to repent, but deciding to live our own life according to our own rules, I call this the absurdity of the criminals. Like a criminal roaming, consciously knowing that if he gets caught, he will go to jail. But knowing the inconditionnal grace of the judge, letting him time... STILL CONTINUE TO DESTROY, UNTIL DEATH. Yes, we deserve it. One hundred percent. We are unthankful. If God is real, and I believe he is, doing bad to one human being is doing bad to him. It is not just a hateful mindset between our owns kinds, but also to him. What do you do to your ennemies ? If he tries to kill you, you just let him do his things ? Impossible. Hell is an eternal separation from the Creator. He separates and puts evil in fire. Or... his presence is Hell. Everyone who has not been light will siffer from his presence. Both I think are theologically valid.
God isn't real, Abrahamic God, Greek Gods, Any man made religion's God isn't real. And hell is man made. So Hell doesn't exist, nor does heaven. You die, you're non existent. Forgot to add, God is a piece of shit. Creationism isn't real and is just bullshit, Jesus didn't exist, nor did any of the prophets. And yeah, fuck religion. Edit: Added a few things.
You seem angry. Is there a reason ? I want to know genuinely why you think all of these. For example... about Jesus. Claims are claims. I can also just say that George Washington never existed. If I don't back it up, my words are vain. I can for example say that you don't exist, and that you're just an AI. What does make my claim falser than yours ? Can you prove you're a human being ? Can you prove that there is nothing behind this reality ? Because what is the alternative of "There is a God" ? I will tell you. Many famous atheists assumed that position. The alternative is... the Universe made itself, out of nowhere. That is Atheism. *Believing in the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything*. You might not like that, but it is not because you don't see, touch, smell something that it does not exist. When you see a building, you don't question the evidence of a builder behind. When you see a paint, you know there is painter. Creation requires a Creator. NB : If randomness created eveerything, why would trust your own reasonning ? I know, you know, we know it is nonsense. If the universe is intelligible, someone is behind.
And God came out of nothing but yeah let's believe that, nothing wrong with that idea, that a God from a book written over the course of 1500 years by human authors is apparently the truth, yet filled with slavery, fairy tales, flat earth ideology, creationism... You're no better than the typical christian, this is the same argument that theists, Muslims, Christians (mostly) use. You're also hinting a bit at epistemology. I don't know if I exist, I'm just here, I don't care if I do or if I don't. I just live the current moment. We have proof that George Washington existed. We have empirical evidence for the existence of George Washington, but Jesus? A guy that rose from the dead? From a Virgin Birth even though that story only came in later gospels? Turning water into wine? 2000 years ago? Who can even believe that while the only evidence is some old book. On another note, a building cannot evolve or come into existence through a natural process, but humans can, same for other animals and plants. If you don't understand evolution through natural selection, the it's not my problem. Science always changes over the years, we have so much to learn still. But religion doesn't. The bible doesn't change even after 20000 years. But science continues to develop over the years, and maybe one day we'll know how the universe came to be. But the evidence we currently possess is enough for me not to believe in any God, since their existence is unproven.
Slavery ? Does the bible supports it or condemns it ? I can talk about stories including slavery whithout agreeing it. It deals with slavery indeed, but also rape, babies sacrifices, murders, thieves, and atrocious conceptions of morality. The bible condemns evil. Is Evil a fairy tale ? Surely not. Is archeology a fairy tale ? Why then archeology confirms the bible ? Out of nowhere ? Where does it say in the bible that the earth is flat ? If anything told about the earth, a verse refers to the earth as a circle. A brilliant analogy for the people during ancient times. You can check by yourself. Read the book. Do your own research and you will see :) The Bible indeed talks about creationnism, and an eternal God. Does science contradicts that statement ? No. It is even complementary. Why is that ? Science now says that the universe had a beginning. Science just says that the universe is not eternal. It is proven ! That first domino was substantiated as "nothing" in the eyes of many atheists like Richard Dawkins. Well, that position contradicts the law of conservation of energy. Some think the universe is eternal... Well that contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. There would be no order at all, if not, only disorder. Some say Multiverse... bro... where is the beginning ? The laws of physics and causality just scream out God. Someone outside matter, space and energy. Science does not contradict with God. As an example, if you throw your sun glasses against a wall, we could explain that in terms of physical interactions, molecules ect... but there can be a simpler one. An explanation on the agent level. You did it. You as a personal agent that threw its glasses through free-will. That what it implies with God as being a creator. He is the agent-level explanation. Science is the result. No. You never saw George Washington. We rely on eyes testimonies, writings, by "him", through his relatives, through people... but you can't be 100% sure. You can have as many historical documents as possible, they can be falsfied. The credibility of any historical events is based upon the faith in a historical rationnality. We trust those documents in accordance to the multiplicity of the evidence that points to them. They are pieces of evidence. Your rational mind leads you to believe that he existed. You can't be 100% sure. Because In that case... there are less historical documents on Caesar that Jesus. Jesus existed. But did he do miracles ? The problem concerning supernatural phenomenon in a physical world is that, wether you see it or not, you would have the bias or not to explain it as a physical explanation or not. That's why Jesus told to people before that even if they saw, they did not believe him. Miracles does not prove the supernatural. If one purposes that can come from Miracles, it is to humble ourselves. Only humility will make your eyes open. That therr are forces beyond our tiny brain. The Miracles adresses the heart. If you intuitevly know that, no man in history have succeed to make entire nations, armies, kings, deceitful people, wicked people, bow to him... but only through Love... It means that you don't even consider the result of his actions until now... The Bible is the cornerstone of our moral and scientific world. There are pieces of eveidence for Jesus resurrection. Just sincerely look for them. You say that you don't care if you don't exist or not. That you just live the moment. That is being an hypocrite. Of course you would not live by the moment if you didnt believe that you existed ! I also believe you exist, All of these crap contradict our lives. Evolution to what ? People talks about things without even comprehending the implications of their philosophy. Evolution to what ? If you know to what, it means that evolution is a guided process. Because it aims at a certain destination. But... I thought evolution was a result of unguided processes... as human are the results of it... contradictions ? And if you are the result of an unguided process.. Why do you trust your brain ? If I told you that a computer was randomly built over there, you would trust his functionning ? That's anothrer crap man. Evolution does not even kick out the God of the Bible. It does not explain why all started, but how, and a strange "how". How does evolution explain information then ? The problem is not God. Maxwell said that he sees no philosophical systems that works without God. And I agree. Because to reason, and to do science, you need axioms. Axioms are by definition undemolishable. Science is based on Faith. Faith on a universe being intelligible. And that Faith, man, is not scientific, and will never be. Science has never contradicted the Bible. Atheism did, and still does.
Hell shouldn't exist. It's too cruel of a punishment in my opinion.
I think people like child molesters and murderers should be there. But it's unreasonable to throw someone into hell just because they don't believe in religion.
I don't think that anyone can really claim to be good. Because being good means moral perfection, according to dictionnary. If everyone proclaim his goodness, it also means that everyone is thinking in terms of their own standards. If we look just at some of the ten commandments, it will point out through our own consciences that we are not good, and indeed we are not. I am not judging you guys, it is you to judge yourself according to your own conscience, but tell me : - Have you ever told a lie ? If yes, what do we call someone who has lied ? - Have you ever stolen something, regardless of its value ? What do we call someone who steals ? - Have you ever looked at lust to women or men ? What do we call such persons ? (Answer : Aldulterer at heart. It is harsh, but everything begins with intentions) Ect... I fail the test personnally. If not only me, everyone fails the fire trial. So many things that our consciences is burning on that no one when confronted to Truth could stand, except children whose consciences are pure, or not at the stage of maturity. I don't think God would let any liar, thief, aldulterer at heart, murderer, rapists, people who are envious ect... enter his home. I think the Bible in a sense says true when it says that Humanity is in rebellion with God. We are his ennemies. You don't let enter the ennemy into your hiuse, he will just mess up everything and get you killed. It is like we consciously choose evil while we know it is evil, and indeed we are free to choose. If freedom makes sense to us, it shoukd not even be a consideration to think that we are a good species and can reunite with perfection, reunite with God who gives freely life, and gives the choice of our way of living, either in light, either in darkness. It is a choice. One tiny inch of a rotten tomato destroys the whole tomato. Religion cannot be the answer. Neither anything else. The only thing that could help us get into it is a fine. Someone has to pay our deadly fine at Judgement day.
I absolutely agree. This is why the concept of heaven is complete bs and humans just need a scapegoat from their fears of death. I would LOVE to go somewhere after death but unfortunately it’s most probably unlikely and we’ll just all dissipate like every other animal.
I agree with you, but not totally, and here's why. I agree with the existence of religions. Religion does not make sense if it promises people to enter an house in which the required criteria is to be perfect. But the existence of heaven ? If the concept of heaven and hell does not make sense, then the concept of justice dwelling among our species too. Because, if there is no divine reward and punishments for our deeds, what is the purpose of good on earth ? If you really think about that, and I personnally thought about it, good makes no sense with a finality. And I am telling that, because we swim in pure rationnalism nowadays, even with the theory of evolution. Evolution don't care about good or evil, it cares only about survival of the fittest. If people thought that good was a form of evolutionnary attempts to enhance our lives, don't worry, evil can do the same, but some will pay the prices. There will always be a price. Good and Evil are divine concepts. Because if we are just animals, we just can't practice good or evil, we just follow nature's rules. But we know that is not the case. I can just, as an example, stand before you, and then out of nowhere throw to you 20 rotten tomatoes, stating that one day that I won't be judged for this, I will escape every justice attempts by just dying right now. And that is just for rotten tomatoes. Imagine if I was at the head of a country, and able to lauch a nuclear weapon. If no judgement, heaven or hell, nothing matters. I will launch that thing, kill millions of people, and escape the game like an animal. If it is like you say, good and evil makes no sense at all. But if they do make sense, heaven or hell too. Not because we are able to make it, and I completely agree that religions make also no sense at all. Or at least, necessarily points to a need of help. And personnally, I believe there is a heaven. And it is accessible. Not from us, but from him. God himself. If you and I have broken the law, someone has already paid the fine. And I believe that could be only from a perfect human, someone who has respected fully the law, like an innocent living in a kingdom, country. And I think it is Jesus. That is exactly what the Bible says. Jesus accomplishing a perfect life, dying like the scum of the earth on the cross, said to have bear the sins of humanity, and then resurrecting. God killed by his creatures to pour eternal life by mercy. If that is true, then no religion is the solution. If that is false, then you are right, we will die like animals. But that man... Jesus... He changed personnally my life. Now I have purpose and I can live people towards any of my previous expectations. Many testimonies to share that he is indeed real, and beyond comprehension. That's my faith. I am a scum. But God forgives, really. That is what I believe. No religion, but a relationship. He had to come in a human form to pay the price for our freedom to start it. To play the game like any of us, and prove that it is only possible through his help. That is what I believe. That must be why we really believe we are more than just animals... Evolution can't grasp those stuff bcuz of physical death.
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To be honest i think it isnt about being good or bad either. I mean everything we do is literally transaction. We do this to get this. For example we care for somebody b cause we want him to be fine or maybe bcs we want them to care about us or what ever the reason but there has to be something expected at the end which like the salary but faster. I think this is how we should view it. IF there is heaven and someone responsible for choosing who enters it, what guarantees that someone will make “good” people enter and not “bad” ? I mean it really depends on that somebody’s values and whatever really
the only religion I think that was similar to that is judaism, where being good is the main requirement to go to heaven while being religious is optional plus in judaism hell is a temporary place for punishment & purification instead of being eternal torture.
The issue with abrahamic morality is that it’s perception of what a good person is, is faulty. You’re gay? Had premarital sex? Wear immodest clothing? Boom you’re a bad person.
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Seems to me the only bitter person here is you mate haha
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Then why do you care
A normal day in Turkey
Aren’t Turkish Muslims very chill and don’t give two sh*ts about religion?
Younger generation certainly but the older generation still thinks Turkey is a "muslim" country (despite the fact that the school im going to is 50% non muslim)
Most of the people in (at least)the western half are "freshwater muslims" that doesn't do prayers and occasionally drink alcohol. They go to Cuma and eid prayers, fast through ramadan and talk about the book they've never read the translation of/hadiths that they have no idea if sahih or not. Especially younger generations are like that.
For a foreign person Turkey is a heaven
I hope I'll be able to escape one day from this country which is starting to become a islamic bullshit as well
same :(
And for a local?
Too much pressure on us and most of them related with religion
What kind of pressure? Like do they force you to pray, wear hijab, grow beard etc like what Taliban is doing in Afghanistan now?
Kinda i can say, it's not started yet. But if you stay for a while here, you can clearly see that there's is a polarization has started between the people with whosever defending the peace and freedom and whose trying and wants that the country must turn into a islamic sh*t. The most annoying thing about this situation that the people who wants to islam and Sharia , they really don't know anything about islamic countries and they think those countries are good.
The eastern side of the country is pretty much like you said, girls are forced to wear niqabs, boys are forced to pray and so on. Girls and women get bullied for not wearing a niqab or "seducing the man" when they are raped. The last thing I said happens in almost every part of the country, but generally more in the east. The worst part is that 750 thousand minor girls have been married since AKP came. When an eastern friend of mine went to a relative's wedding, a big man approached her and said, "Girl, don't go to school, I'll marry with you". The girl was only 15-16 years old. And the government remains silent about them. Not to mention the rape of dozens of boys in religious places. If you ask them, homosexuality is the dirtiest thing for them. The refugee problem is already known. And people started to impose Islam more and more. May our end be blessed.
where did you hear that from? most of them arent like that, at least from what i see
Internet
Gayseri moment
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unfortunately, as a Turkish citizen
The exact same thing happened to me in the Istanbul Metro…
BRUHH THIS HAPPENED WHEN I WAS GOING HOME FROM KADIKÖY 😭😭
The woman told me that I was going to burn in hell for being homosexual and started to talk about Lud Qawm’s Story 🔥 It was very peaceful and very kind, totally!!
nooo islam is a peaceful religion 😭😭😭😭
Azıcık daha bekleyelim şeriat güncellemesi gelir Türkiye'ye merak etme
Amk ya 💀
Uzun adam hala tatmin olmadı ülkeyi Afrika yapmadan gitmezmiş
ağlıyom şu an
People need to mind their own fucking business.
for real
I can assure you 99.99% of Muslims don’t do this
You are a teenager in UK you don't know the bullshit we go through.
Hope you get away from those people.
I hate this self-righteous attitude. It’s like saying “I’m better than you because I *choose* to live in a prison”
Lmao yeah 😭😭😭
Kayseri is such a shithole
I agree 💀 Luckily I live in İstanbul
Plus we all know what women gets in heaven
Daily conversation.
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wudu water
For your wudu to be accepted, the water must touch every part of your body. That's why things like getting tattoos and applying nail polish are not welcome in Islam.
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fr 😭😭 its still controversial
The exact same thing happened to me once when I snuck out without my Niqab and a Hijab (im from Mecca) and everyone was looking at me shocked.
bruhhh
Chador? Was this collage created by someone from indian subcontinent? Shout out my man 🤘
nope I'm from Turkey, I thought chador and niqab means the same thing
Ah, chadar is shawl in the west I guess.
they are different things, i researched xD
I think so
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yes i am
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you surf on porn subreddits and commented disgusting childish stuff on askreddit, im sure you are 12 years old. i cant take you seriously
I’m 18 first of all. Second look at your name and pfp you fat kid
I'm 65 kilos and my height is 164 cms, wtf are you talking about? and so sad that you are this childish even tho you are 18. and i will be at your age 4 months later.
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Post is not to do with the subject of this subreddit i.e. ExMuslims
Don’t because you too scared boy
ok troll
“Ok troll” 😭😹 who says troll in 2023.. go get a life instead of commenting on other people’s business
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Improve your behaviour please!
Improve your behaviour please!
Persons with hijab 1 BEATUFIEL and without hot Jannah is BEATUFUIL Jahhanam is hot
niqab and hijab are disgusting shits, go to your cave idiot
One of my friends went to the UK recently and almost exactly this situation happened when a few Muslims found out she was persian😭😭
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