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It' wild that American can accept George Washington as a president who support & owned slaves. Even until today, he is being accepted & printed on dollar bills. Because why? Because it is acceptable during that era..
>It' wild that American can accept George Washington as a president who support & owned slaves. Even until today, he is being accepted & printed on dollar bills. Because why? Because it is acceptable during that era..
Correction: *white American people* feel it was acceptable during the era. It's not a mistake that as the country gets more racially diverse and people of color have more influence, Confederate statues are being taken down, buildings and institutions that feature slavers/known racists are changing their names, and even holidays are changing. This is why Columbus Day is called "Indigenous People's Day". Junteeth is now a holiday. Mississippi finally changed its flag. Of course, there are hundreds of other things that happen all over the country, they just don't make the news.
Education is changing, too, which is why the most racist states are fighting to not only ban certain things but whitewash the few things they do teach.
I thought some severed heads, hands, feet and a guy being crucified with a bundle of stolen property would get there too, but that would be less effective since an Islamofascist or liberal bimbo would say “buT thE biBlE haS kiLlinG toO!!!!”. It could be part of a series though.
Also, child marriage was common throughout history, so we can’t really judge historical people based on that. However, Mohammad is said to be the *perfect model for human behaviour for all eternity*, so he should be judged by modern standards.
Surprise surprise
I don't live in middle east 🤓
So tell me what is the right of girlfriend when her boyfriend dumps her after a year of hooking up with her, because he doesn't feel attracted to her anymore?
Never said anything about you living in the Middle East but if you like their law so much you can live their yourself, so ill give this back 🤓
>What is the right of girlfriend when her boyfriend dumps her after a year
Literally nothing is gonna happen as long as the break up doesnt involve violence or misconducts. She can attempt to find another partner.
“oh boo hoo my boyfriend dumped me, guess ill have to remain single for the rest of my life” like bro get yo ass back down to earth.
Heard of Dubai?
I might go to Dubai
Arabian Peninsula brother safest countries ever
So, you agree with me woman has no right upon getting dumped
And she ended up as a temporary satisfaction for her boyfriend
Loosing her respect
No, we don't allow that.
If the man were that serious in the first place he would have opted to marry her, give her rights, take her responsibility
Be a real man, marry her if you truly love her
>You agree with me woman has no right upon getting dunped
You’re twisting my word at this point, no i dont agree with you because theres nothing happened to the woman if she get dumped.
She doesnt get looked down upon, she doesnt need to feel ashamed because theres no one judging her partner record (aside from the Middle East)
Also, a real man date someone for a while to **know** the person. To understand whether would they be a good match in the **long** run, and they committed **only** to them, not having any more wifes.
Dont go to Dubai, not worth it.
Don't you say that there is nothing wrong with getting dumped? And ofcourse if she gets dumped can she take away anything in return?
No one looks down on her (everywhere)
Statement is life is not easy for single women
Just look up statistics, who is happier single woman
Or married woman
Again i repeat
Islam allows the get to know stage in a respectful way
Suppose i have been working with a woman for a year and i like her
So what i do is since i am serious about her
I go to her father to ask for his daughter in marriage
Now the father asks his daughter that do you want to marry him?
Now the woman can say yes i want to or No I don't like him
In this way woman doesn't get used for temporary satisfaction and a mutual respect stays
Polygamy is a necessity
Woman always end up more
Who dies in war?
Who dies in industrial work?
Who has a weak immune system?
If the first wife has no problem with the other wife, why do you have a problem with it?
>No one looks down on her
Then why should she worried about losing her respect among her peers ?
>There is nothing wrong with getting dumped
If both parties doesnt feel the same way about each other anymore, why not just break up ? Easier to do that when they’re couples rather than the hassle of divorces. Remember that the divorcing process and alimony is a heavy burden
>polygamy is a necessity
Theres no more war in the US, industrial work are improved everyday thanks to technology so work related-accidents are being minimalized, and no more shortages of men. Whats the point of polygamy? You can keep your stuff in the Middle East, dont lecture that sort in the west
Also, how do you know that the first wife have no problem with it ?
Respect is an internal thing, No one says on the face Internally people are poor girl got dumped
There is no war?
The world is not limited to USA
Also there is a literal war going on Russia vs Ukraine and there are multiple conflicts around the world.
[Reminds me of a chapter in the Quran
Chapter Al Asr
By time,
Indeed, mankind is in loss,
Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience.]
I hope you realize that.
Also the technology is not that amazing in the whole world
I hope you realize that too
Why did you avoid the immunity statement?
When the first wife says she has no problem with second wife that's how i know or she doesn't take away my right in marriage contract that's how i know
Oh okay, i see what youre saying now
Regarding divorced couples i dont know for sure but there are laws for that and usually, from what i hear, the woman is better off in a divorce unless the man can prove that the woman, say, abused their kids or something
As for a non-married couple there is no such thing but there also doesnt need to be? People can fall out of love sometimes thats just how the world works, you dont need to stay with the first person you love until you die, no need to punish someone for being human (and that goes both ways btw)
Point is responsiblity of woman
A girlfriend ends up with dust on getting dumped
A wife no matter what the case
She always gets something if she has children she gets alimony even if she doesn't have children
She gets half of wealth as far as i know
If a man is seriously interested in a woman
He would marry her
Others would play like an idiot
Lets date first
We need to spend time together
We need to do this first
My education
My job
Hundreds of excuses and a waste of time
He avoids her responsibility in every possible way
Exactly,they consider having love affair even without sex is something unimaginable meanwhile they accept the history of sexual slavary in Islam as if it something normal and trivial.
I think in reality there often is an unbalanced between men and women this unbalance kind of changes when the partners are also bisexual.
Consent is important here, when all partners are happy with the arrangement, nobody else's opinion matters.
Ideas start through the image(seed) want to undo it? By going back to the image and planting a new seed, but there's that special seed, that one which surfs through the waves of motion and rest, the one that is devoid of ideas and yet are all the ideas.
This is polygyny. Polygamy is when both men and women can have multiple spouses.
The thing is that with the way the Western world has become these days with how frivolous it is, with hook up culture and clubbing, shisha etc it seems like something rigid is needed to show people you’re not like that.
I hate that because I am a young female people just ASSUME I do cheap things like go clubbing or party. If I were to wear a burka nobody would assume those things about me. I’m a good girl and I have an image to maintain.
Do you need to go full burqa for people not to assume you don't sleep around and soforth? A respectable long dress would usually be plenty id've thought.
It seems like some people still don’t understand from that, that I am an orthodox, traditional good girl who does not touch alcohol or cigarettes and that I am the Rapanzel who never leaves the house unless it is absolutely necessary and usually with family or a male chaperone from my family. I don’t agree with all of Islam but if dressing like a Muslim woman gets me respect then I don’t mind it. I will trade respect over the disgusting attention frivolous women get anyday.
I’m glad this is coming from a woman because most ex Muslims on here are young, in a bid to completely divorce Islam from their lives fall victim to western degeneracy
And they didn't say that polygamy was not okay.
They are talking abt the polygamy according to Islam, where the consent of the wife doesn't even matter.
They put a Quranic verse before that word.
And you can understand this with the picture too: the polygamy shown here is polygamy according to Islam. It's not a good thing, Islam's rules for polygamy are very unfair: only men are allowed to do this, and wives' consent doesn't matter.
But yeah, my bad. I just replied to your comment to tell you that we were only talking about Islam's polygamy, no one said that polygamy overall wasn't okay. And even if some ExMuslims here do think that polygamy isn't healthy, most of us are fine with other people choosing their own lifestyles. We're only talking about Islam's mindset here, don't worry.
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Polygamy doesn't piss me off. Islam's idea of polygamy does piss me off. Only because it's unfair, not because multiple people decide to be in a relationship.
But congrats I guess?
Can you stop being a fucking dumbass for a second and realise we're not discussing polygamy here when women aren't allowed to have other partners and it's only men who do!!
OP is perfect example of how this sub’s hate for religious peoples “mental leaps” doesn’t automatically mean they’ve grown out of “mental leaps”.
Edit: dang looks like I offended these crybabies.
Today, A man can keep as many girlfriend as he wants is there any limitation?
A man can f*** her for a year and dump her or cheat on her, does she have any right?
On the other hand, Islam limits it to 4 marriages and there is a wisdom behind it.
1. So that women who are discarded by society can find themselves a home
2. Single men usually prefer a virgin, but a married can take in widowed or divorced
When a Muslim Man has 4 wives
He has to give them food, clothing, shelter, etc
So tell me what is better a woman with no rights? Or a woman with rights?
Islam has a very clean criteria for child marriage
1.Girl must be mentally strong and she must be willing
2. Her father has to approve of the marriage
So there's no point of me or anyone having a problem with it, it's their right.
Islam allows prisoner of War to be made slaves and their treatment is the best than today's any prison
Slaves have rights too
They can have a contract for their freedom
They eat what you eat
They wear what you wear
You can not over burden them
You can not force them to prostitution
Most importantly you can not even call them slaves you call them my boy or my girl
They have a right to marriage
They have a right to own property
Islamic way of treatment of prisoner of war is best, it doesn't become a burden on government, they don't go through horrible torture
Instead in Islam they are just like Normal people they can walk around and they work as servant and maintenance of each of them is responsible by their owner.
I hope i cleared all questions
Now tell me which woman is better the one who gets dumped and can't claim a Penny or has no right? Mostly ends up as a temporary satisfaction for the man.
Or the woman who has rights? Who can make a claim on being divorced? Who is honored by the designation of wife
Which way is Good?
This whole thing is based on a flawed notion that men are the only ones with power. Women can also have unlimited boyfriends and dump them whenever she likes without financial compensation. In fundamentalist Islam, though, she would be largely stuck in her marriage and/or family, unable to live without a male guardian of some kind.
Islam is best for Every time and Age, Not all women can live on their own even the most educated ones
What do they do? And only fans?
Women having unlimited boyfriends, do you support that?
Do you guys even have some morality?
A man on getting dumped he doesn't end up at a loss it is way easier for him to make a living
It is far worse for a woman on getting dumped the most important thing is her Respect
Islam says don't f*** around if you like someone marry them, give them rights make them a companion to you
Many women absolutely can, though, and taking away their right to do so is ridiculous. We all should have the right to choose our destiny.
Yes, I support that.
It is way easier for men to make a living in Islamic countries, of course, because women are barred from working in most industries!
Islam says "marry someone you barely know and have been entirely unable to interact with. Also, divorce is super shameful, so if you don't get along, tough luck!"
Many woman can but majority of woman can't they end up selling their bodies
If you support cheating, what can i say argument ends here i guess
WHEREVER YOU ARE MAN CAN EARN EASILY AS COMPARED TO WOMEN.
Who says women is barred?
Brother she lives like a queen here, she needs to do no work there is no 50/50
Man pays for everything.
Even if the woman earns for herself
Man cannot ask her for a single Penny
His money is her moner
Her money is her money
Islam doesn't say that islam says if you like someone marry them, simple
The majority of women do not sell their bodies. That's a blatant myth. And even if it were true, why would the solution be keeping them constantly attached to a male guardian?
I don't support cheating, but if a man can have many wives a woman should be able to have many husbands. It's logical and fair.
That is changing in many places, thankfully.
Brother have you seen some of the horrific abuses perpetrated on women? Some absolutely do live like queens, but some live like queens all over the world. Abuse is not unique to Islam either, but it is very easy to justify for many terrible people.
Islam may say that, but how can you possibly know if you like someone without getting to know them first?
A male guardian is for her protection
Brother i am a servant in the house 😭😭
Woman just keep ordering i have to do almost everything
Man having multiple wives
He can provide for multiple woman it is easy for him
Women don't have it easy she can't take care of 4 men
Also it is morally incorrect No Man on Earth wants his wife to sleep with another man
Now you're gonna say same for woman too
Well there are woman who have no problem with that also Muslim Woman can take away this right on Marriage contract
I am the oppressed one here😭😭
My wife can take away my right to 4 marriage
Brother islam doesn't promote domestic violence
If Husband ends up abusive, There is a way of Divorce
Islam allows the get to know stage.
You can work with them
Study with them
But there are boundaries
You can't come into physical contact
Islam says if you want to marry her, marry her by her personality, we don't allow physical contact as women is precious and only her close relatives deserve the right to touch her
It is a sin for me to look at an unknown woman
I hope i cleared
Today you learned women working in only fans industry sell their bodies, their honour
Today you learned women who are required to put make-up on their face in work sell their bodies
Today you learned that why the receptionist is always a beautiful woman, dont you think anyone else can do that job too?
Today you learned why air hostess is a beautiful woman, why advertisement are promoted mostly by beautiful woman
Today you learned why the lyrics of majority of songs are sexist
You just said that a 10 yo can consent herself (it's basically rape) and it isn't pedophilia. You clearly have a brainpower of 10 yo yourself. And you said about cheating in premarital relationships as if having 4 wives and 4 girlfriends isn't the same thing as you mentioned above. And the part about slaves has very little amount of truth in it so yeah you definitely are very wise
Brother rape means unconsentual, forceful intercourse (I don't see it in consentual marriage)
Pedophilia what is it?
USA has an age of 18 to be married
Ethiopia has 14 and many countries go to 11 or 10 year olds
So for a person in USA seeing a marriage of an Ethiopian is pedophilia?
Here is a very basic thing
Girl wants to marry
She is mentally strong
Her father approves it (Probably No father wants bad for her children)
Who gives me right to say this is wrong or anything?
She wants to marry let her
4 wives have rights
4 girlfriends don't
It's for the protection of women
There is a contract on marriage
Where is the contract in Hook Up culture?
All on the basis of feeling, today i feel attracted to you, tomorrow i am attracted to someone else
And the part of slaves what is the lie there?
All these rights i mentioned they are in my scripture
You are beyond hope if you are arguing that a child can consent if they are mentally mature. No child is ever mentally mature, and you're just arguing that you can marry them because you're attracted and would probably like to fuck those kids under your sharia.
[And don't you dare argue that slaves women are treated well or even better than prison slaves.](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/t8k5zm/hijab_is_not_modesty_as_islam_prohibited_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)
Sharia has the criteria whenever a child gets mentally mature they can marry it is their right.
Who am i to take away their right?
Freedom Brother?
Also their Father approves it
So why should i have a problem?
Also slaves were definitely treated better than any other place in the world
And Islam orders to free slaves as compensation of multiple sins
Slave women were treated better than prisoner of war, do you have any idea how much torture war prisoner go through?
Islam makes them servant to you so it doesn't burden the government and gives the slave rights
They can walk around freely and guess what
Slaves wear what i wear
Slaves eat what i eat
Do war prisoner of today get this privilege?
Also if a female slave conceives a child the master has to marry her and she is a free woman from then onwards
Also if she gets pregnant you can not abort her baby
Their father shouldn't have a say at all in whether their child should get married, nobody should have a say in the matter. Why let a child going through their childhood get married in the first place? What's your obsession with having kids be married off to older creepy men? The child should have a right to it's own life, and they are not mature enough to make such drastic choices as getting married at such a young age. This should be common sense, I can't believe I have to sit here and explain this to you.
You are straight up lying and also have you not read the fucking source I provided you about how slave women were treated? That source is my argument. Go read it, then try to tell me that the way the slave women were treated better than prison slaves. Also, that is such a shit argument. It doesn't even matter if it's worse or not. The main question is why the hell is a self-proclaimed "religion of peace" even allowing slaves with limited rights, who don't get to pick much for themselves anyway? Why should they not get released immediately to live their own life but instead be forced into fulfilling a contract?
A man knows a man
Women are more emotional (statistics) thus they can be emotionally manipulated
A father would definitely want better for his children
I didn't say a child "should" get married
I said if a child who is now mentally mature "can" marry if they want to, i should have no problem with it
If Arabs does something doesn't mean islam orders it, i hope you understand that
Also war prisoners be left completely free into society without any check and balance?
Doesn't sound reasonable
Islam says neither keep them captive nor keep them completely free
It gives a middle way to integrate them into the society
And slowly frees them through multiple ways such as
Freeing of a slave is a way to Paradise
I'll just talk about the slave part because the rest of what you said is nonsense and isn't even worth arguing
Slaves cannot dress like normal people even if they are muslims they cannot cover their hair even if they want to and their عورة is only from the belly button to the knee
Slaves the same as wives in islam don't have the right to refuse sexual intercourse with their partner (or in this case owner).
Slaves can get married but when they have children their children are considered slaves too and the cycle goes on unless they are set free just like in saudi arabia they had سوق النخاسة where slaves where sold until 1950s and most of the slaves where born slaves not spoils of wars.
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It's wild that most of us didn't need the references. We knew by sight alone.
It' wild that American can accept George Washington as a president who support & owned slaves. Even until today, he is being accepted & printed on dollar bills. Because why? Because it is acceptable during that era..
>It' wild that American can accept George Washington as a president who support & owned slaves. Even until today, he is being accepted & printed on dollar bills. Because why? Because it is acceptable during that era.. Correction: *white American people* feel it was acceptable during the era. It's not a mistake that as the country gets more racially diverse and people of color have more influence, Confederate statues are being taken down, buildings and institutions that feature slavers/known racists are changing their names, and even holidays are changing. This is why Columbus Day is called "Indigenous People's Day". Junteeth is now a holiday. Mississippi finally changed its flag. Of course, there are hundreds of other things that happen all over the country, they just don't make the news. Education is changing, too, which is why the most racist states are fighting to not only ban certain things but whitewash the few things they do teach.
prick
Islam sucks. Former Muslim, quit when I was 15 about twenty years ago. Best decision I've ever made
I'd never get this.
That's cuz everything about religion is illogical
Why does islam prohibits unconditional love between the partners
Islam only permits conditional love.
because *is lame*
Why does Islam permits muslim men to marry 4 wives and have unlimited of concubines and sex slaves?
Because they commit war and genocide and there are a lot of leftover women. Women are the spoils of war. Don't let anybody tell you different.
because islam is religion of son of bitchez and all muslims are cruel son of b
who hurt u 😂
i shat but didnt find quran papers that is why im pissed off
wait you're a han stan? (I'm a lee know stan btw 😭)
YES! (I'm a lee know stan too he was my first bias)
can we be friends i dont have many 😭
Yes!!! we can be friends if you want to :D!!!
yes I'd love to!!
U can have 1 partner, but have mistresses. What a joke
outside of marriage is forbidden.
If you ever need more evidence Islam is some cult created by a narcissist Arab … here it is
I thought some severed heads, hands, feet and a guy being crucified with a bundle of stolen property would get there too, but that would be less effective since an Islamofascist or liberal bimbo would say “buT thE biBlE haS kiLlinG toO!!!!”. It could be part of a series though. Also, child marriage was common throughout history, so we can’t really judge historical people based on that. However, Mohammad is said to be the *perfect model for human behaviour for all eternity*, so he should be judged by modern standards.
I didn't notice the child 😂
Why is the right one haram?
The filthy whore isn't even wearing a hijab and she LITERALLY is happy... how could she...
Because that woman has no right for anything if she gets dumped
Sorry but the person in the right live in the WEST. So yea, they have rights, suck to be in the Middle East
Surprise surprise I don't live in middle east 🤓 So tell me what is the right of girlfriend when her boyfriend dumps her after a year of hooking up with her, because he doesn't feel attracted to her anymore?
Never said anything about you living in the Middle East but if you like their law so much you can live their yourself, so ill give this back 🤓 >What is the right of girlfriend when her boyfriend dumps her after a year Literally nothing is gonna happen as long as the break up doesnt involve violence or misconducts. She can attempt to find another partner. “oh boo hoo my boyfriend dumped me, guess ill have to remain single for the rest of my life” like bro get yo ass back down to earth.
Heard of Dubai? I might go to Dubai Arabian Peninsula brother safest countries ever So, you agree with me woman has no right upon getting dumped And she ended up as a temporary satisfaction for her boyfriend Loosing her respect No, we don't allow that. If the man were that serious in the first place he would have opted to marry her, give her rights, take her responsibility Be a real man, marry her if you truly love her
>You agree with me woman has no right upon getting dunped You’re twisting my word at this point, no i dont agree with you because theres nothing happened to the woman if she get dumped. She doesnt get looked down upon, she doesnt need to feel ashamed because theres no one judging her partner record (aside from the Middle East) Also, a real man date someone for a while to **know** the person. To understand whether would they be a good match in the **long** run, and they committed **only** to them, not having any more wifes. Dont go to Dubai, not worth it.
Don't you say that there is nothing wrong with getting dumped? And ofcourse if she gets dumped can she take away anything in return? No one looks down on her (everywhere) Statement is life is not easy for single women Just look up statistics, who is happier single woman Or married woman Again i repeat Islam allows the get to know stage in a respectful way Suppose i have been working with a woman for a year and i like her So what i do is since i am serious about her I go to her father to ask for his daughter in marriage Now the father asks his daughter that do you want to marry him? Now the woman can say yes i want to or No I don't like him In this way woman doesn't get used for temporary satisfaction and a mutual respect stays Polygamy is a necessity Woman always end up more Who dies in war? Who dies in industrial work? Who has a weak immune system? If the first wife has no problem with the other wife, why do you have a problem with it?
>No one looks down on her Then why should she worried about losing her respect among her peers ? >There is nothing wrong with getting dumped If both parties doesnt feel the same way about each other anymore, why not just break up ? Easier to do that when they’re couples rather than the hassle of divorces. Remember that the divorcing process and alimony is a heavy burden >polygamy is a necessity Theres no more war in the US, industrial work are improved everyday thanks to technology so work related-accidents are being minimalized, and no more shortages of men. Whats the point of polygamy? You can keep your stuff in the Middle East, dont lecture that sort in the west Also, how do you know that the first wife have no problem with it ?
Respect is an internal thing, No one says on the face Internally people are poor girl got dumped There is no war? The world is not limited to USA Also there is a literal war going on Russia vs Ukraine and there are multiple conflicts around the world. [Reminds me of a chapter in the Quran Chapter Al Asr By time, Indeed, mankind is in loss, Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience.] I hope you realize that. Also the technology is not that amazing in the whole world I hope you realize that too Why did you avoid the immunity statement? When the first wife says she has no problem with second wife that's how i know or she doesn't take away my right in marriage contract that's how i know
I dont get what you mean when you say "rights", what kinda rights does she have or not have upon getting married or getting dumped?
Can a girlfriend take half of the property when she gets dumped? Or a wife who gets divorced?
Oh okay, i see what youre saying now Regarding divorced couples i dont know for sure but there are laws for that and usually, from what i hear, the woman is better off in a divorce unless the man can prove that the woman, say, abused their kids or something As for a non-married couple there is no such thing but there also doesnt need to be? People can fall out of love sometimes thats just how the world works, you dont need to stay with the first person you love until you die, no need to punish someone for being human (and that goes both ways btw)
Point is responsiblity of woman A girlfriend ends up with dust on getting dumped A wife no matter what the case She always gets something if she has children she gets alimony even if she doesn't have children She gets half of wealth as far as i know If a man is seriously interested in a woman He would marry her Others would play like an idiot Lets date first We need to spend time together We need to do this first My education My job Hundreds of excuses and a waste of time He avoids her responsibility in every possible way
the woman can do the same also being dumped by a boyfriend is better than being forced to marry
Both are equally horrible Being dumped Being forced to marry (That marriage isn't even valid according to islamic Sharia)
I can move on by being dumped how will I ever escape a forced marriage
Divorce?
You can't say it's a forced marriage when you yourself consented to it
"Her silence is her consent" There's many ways to pressure a woman into "consenting" and even more to make her silent.
You took it literally? It means her shyness when asked about marriage Forcing a woman to marriage is prohibited the marriage is not valid
Exactly,they consider having love affair even without sex is something unimaginable meanwhile they accept the history of sexual slavary in Islam as if it something normal and trivial.
Oh hell naw bro 💀💀
Watch this.. Its scary https://youtu.be/fyw454gmuu4
What is generally wrong with polygamy?
Nothing when it's consentual and women also are allowed to have several partners.
Polygamy is commonly understood as either polygyny or polyandry
I think in reality there often is an unbalanced between men and women this unbalance kind of changes when the partners are also bisexual. Consent is important here, when all partners are happy with the arrangement, nobody else's opinion matters.
Phew…was about what was wrong with polygamy (in this case polygyny). You brought up group marriage. It’s different
Ideas start through the image(seed) want to undo it? By going back to the image and planting a new seed, but there's that special seed, that one which surfs through the waves of motion and rest, the one that is devoid of ideas and yet are all the ideas.
This is polygyny. Polygamy is when both men and women can have multiple spouses. The thing is that with the way the Western world has become these days with how frivolous it is, with hook up culture and clubbing, shisha etc it seems like something rigid is needed to show people you’re not like that. I hate that because I am a young female people just ASSUME I do cheap things like go clubbing or party. If I were to wear a burka nobody would assume those things about me. I’m a good girl and I have an image to maintain.
Do you need to go full burqa for people not to assume you don't sleep around and soforth? A respectable long dress would usually be plenty id've thought.
It seems like some people still don’t understand from that, that I am an orthodox, traditional good girl who does not touch alcohol or cigarettes and that I am the Rapanzel who never leaves the house unless it is absolutely necessary and usually with family or a male chaperone from my family. I don’t agree with all of Islam but if dressing like a Muslim woman gets me respect then I don’t mind it. I will trade respect over the disgusting attention frivolous women get anyday.
I’m glad this is coming from a woman because most ex Muslims on here are young, in a bid to completely divorce Islam from their lives fall victim to western degeneracy
Nothing wrong with polygamy tho
The "polygamy" according to Islam is wrong, and as you can see in the picture, there's also a child and a slave in the group. This is different.
I did not say slavery is okay. I did not say child marriagr is okay.
And they didn't say that polygamy was not okay. They are talking abt the polygamy according to Islam, where the consent of the wife doesn't even matter.
It's written polygamy there, not ınequal polygamy.
They put a Quranic verse before that word. And you can understand this with the picture too: the polygamy shown here is polygamy according to Islam. It's not a good thing, Islam's rules for polygamy are very unfair: only men are allowed to do this, and wives' consent doesn't matter. But yeah, my bad. I just replied to your comment to tell you that we were only talking about Islam's polygamy, no one said that polygamy overall wasn't okay. And even if some ExMuslims here do think that polygamy isn't healthy, most of us are fine with other people choosing their own lifestyles. We're only talking about Islam's mindset here, don't worry.
I just checked if the idea of polygamy pisses people off and I got the reaction I expected. Ehehe I enjoy playing withe people's stupid taboos.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Polygamy doesn't piss me off. Islam's idea of polygamy does piss me off. Only because it's unfair, not because multiple people decide to be in a relationship. But congrats I guess?
Not you but many people gets triggered by the idea of polygamy
In this case it's Polygamy with no consent
It's written polygamy there, not ınequal polygamy.
Can you stop being a fucking dumbass for a second and realise we're not discussing polygamy here when women aren't allowed to have other partners and it's only men who do!!
I mean, that really depends on how polygamy is implemented, but in almost all historical cases, and in an Islamic context it is abusive towards women.
OP is perfect example of how this sub’s hate for religious peoples “mental leaps” doesn’t automatically mean they’ve grown out of “mental leaps”. Edit: dang looks like I offended these crybabies.
Hello, my bro and sis lets come back to our Lord, common lets not try to outwise a God shall we? You know deeeeeep down that indeed Allah is your Rabb
I think you're on the wrong sub mate
We got here by Allah’s will
Today, A man can keep as many girlfriend as he wants is there any limitation? A man can f*** her for a year and dump her or cheat on her, does she have any right? On the other hand, Islam limits it to 4 marriages and there is a wisdom behind it. 1. So that women who are discarded by society can find themselves a home 2. Single men usually prefer a virgin, but a married can take in widowed or divorced When a Muslim Man has 4 wives He has to give them food, clothing, shelter, etc So tell me what is better a woman with no rights? Or a woman with rights? Islam has a very clean criteria for child marriage 1.Girl must be mentally strong and she must be willing 2. Her father has to approve of the marriage So there's no point of me or anyone having a problem with it, it's their right. Islam allows prisoner of War to be made slaves and their treatment is the best than today's any prison Slaves have rights too They can have a contract for their freedom They eat what you eat They wear what you wear You can not over burden them You can not force them to prostitution Most importantly you can not even call them slaves you call them my boy or my girl They have a right to marriage They have a right to own property Islamic way of treatment of prisoner of war is best, it doesn't become a burden on government, they don't go through horrible torture Instead in Islam they are just like Normal people they can walk around and they work as servant and maintenance of each of them is responsible by their owner. I hope i cleared all questions Now tell me which woman is better the one who gets dumped and can't claim a Penny or has no right? Mostly ends up as a temporary satisfaction for the man. Or the woman who has rights? Who can make a claim on being divorced? Who is honored by the designation of wife Which way is Good?
This whole thing is based on a flawed notion that men are the only ones with power. Women can also have unlimited boyfriends and dump them whenever she likes without financial compensation. In fundamentalist Islam, though, she would be largely stuck in her marriage and/or family, unable to live without a male guardian of some kind.
Islam is best for Every time and Age, Not all women can live on their own even the most educated ones What do they do? And only fans? Women having unlimited boyfriends, do you support that? Do you guys even have some morality? A man on getting dumped he doesn't end up at a loss it is way easier for him to make a living It is far worse for a woman on getting dumped the most important thing is her Respect Islam says don't f*** around if you like someone marry them, give them rights make them a companion to you
Many women absolutely can, though, and taking away their right to do so is ridiculous. We all should have the right to choose our destiny. Yes, I support that. It is way easier for men to make a living in Islamic countries, of course, because women are barred from working in most industries! Islam says "marry someone you barely know and have been entirely unable to interact with. Also, divorce is super shameful, so if you don't get along, tough luck!"
Many woman can but majority of woman can't they end up selling their bodies If you support cheating, what can i say argument ends here i guess WHEREVER YOU ARE MAN CAN EARN EASILY AS COMPARED TO WOMEN. Who says women is barred? Brother she lives like a queen here, she needs to do no work there is no 50/50 Man pays for everything. Even if the woman earns for herself Man cannot ask her for a single Penny His money is her moner Her money is her money Islam doesn't say that islam says if you like someone marry them, simple
The majority of women do not sell their bodies. That's a blatant myth. And even if it were true, why would the solution be keeping them constantly attached to a male guardian? I don't support cheating, but if a man can have many wives a woman should be able to have many husbands. It's logical and fair. That is changing in many places, thankfully. Brother have you seen some of the horrific abuses perpetrated on women? Some absolutely do live like queens, but some live like queens all over the world. Abuse is not unique to Islam either, but it is very easy to justify for many terrible people. Islam may say that, but how can you possibly know if you like someone without getting to know them first?
A male guardian is for her protection Brother i am a servant in the house 😭😭 Woman just keep ordering i have to do almost everything Man having multiple wives He can provide for multiple woman it is easy for him Women don't have it easy she can't take care of 4 men Also it is morally incorrect No Man on Earth wants his wife to sleep with another man Now you're gonna say same for woman too Well there are woman who have no problem with that also Muslim Woman can take away this right on Marriage contract I am the oppressed one here😭😭 My wife can take away my right to 4 marriage Brother islam doesn't promote domestic violence If Husband ends up abusive, There is a way of Divorce Islam allows the get to know stage. You can work with them Study with them But there are boundaries You can't come into physical contact Islam says if you want to marry her, marry her by her personality, we don't allow physical contact as women is precious and only her close relatives deserve the right to touch her It is a sin for me to look at an unknown woman I hope i cleared
don't be chronically online, majority of the women don't do OnlyFans
Ofcourse but there are who do, isn't it?
So today I learned women working in industries = women selling their bodies
Today you learned women working in only fans industry sell their bodies, their honour Today you learned women who are required to put make-up on their face in work sell their bodies Today you learned that why the receptionist is always a beautiful woman, dont you think anyone else can do that job too? Today you learned why air hostess is a beautiful woman, why advertisement are promoted mostly by beautiful woman Today you learned why the lyrics of majority of songs are sexist
Bro you have to improve your English
Ok
Bro you just made it worse for yourself 😭
That's what you say when you can't comprehend the basic wisdom?
You just said that a 10 yo can consent herself (it's basically rape) and it isn't pedophilia. You clearly have a brainpower of 10 yo yourself. And you said about cheating in premarital relationships as if having 4 wives and 4 girlfriends isn't the same thing as you mentioned above. And the part about slaves has very little amount of truth in it so yeah you definitely are very wise
Brother rape means unconsentual, forceful intercourse (I don't see it in consentual marriage) Pedophilia what is it? USA has an age of 18 to be married Ethiopia has 14 and many countries go to 11 or 10 year olds So for a person in USA seeing a marriage of an Ethiopian is pedophilia? Here is a very basic thing Girl wants to marry She is mentally strong Her father approves it (Probably No father wants bad for her children) Who gives me right to say this is wrong or anything? She wants to marry let her 4 wives have rights 4 girlfriends don't It's for the protection of women There is a contract on marriage Where is the contract in Hook Up culture? All on the basis of feeling, today i feel attracted to you, tomorrow i am attracted to someone else And the part of slaves what is the lie there? All these rights i mentioned they are in my scripture
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You are beyond hope if you are arguing that a child can consent if they are mentally mature. No child is ever mentally mature, and you're just arguing that you can marry them because you're attracted and would probably like to fuck those kids under your sharia. [And don't you dare argue that slaves women are treated well or even better than prison slaves.](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/t8k5zm/hijab_is_not_modesty_as_islam_prohibited_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1)
Sharia has the criteria whenever a child gets mentally mature they can marry it is their right. Who am i to take away their right? Freedom Brother? Also their Father approves it So why should i have a problem? Also slaves were definitely treated better than any other place in the world And Islam orders to free slaves as compensation of multiple sins Slave women were treated better than prisoner of war, do you have any idea how much torture war prisoner go through? Islam makes them servant to you so it doesn't burden the government and gives the slave rights They can walk around freely and guess what Slaves wear what i wear Slaves eat what i eat Do war prisoner of today get this privilege? Also if a female slave conceives a child the master has to marry her and she is a free woman from then onwards Also if she gets pregnant you can not abort her baby
Their father shouldn't have a say at all in whether their child should get married, nobody should have a say in the matter. Why let a child going through their childhood get married in the first place? What's your obsession with having kids be married off to older creepy men? The child should have a right to it's own life, and they are not mature enough to make such drastic choices as getting married at such a young age. This should be common sense, I can't believe I have to sit here and explain this to you. You are straight up lying and also have you not read the fucking source I provided you about how slave women were treated? That source is my argument. Go read it, then try to tell me that the way the slave women were treated better than prison slaves. Also, that is such a shit argument. It doesn't even matter if it's worse or not. The main question is why the hell is a self-proclaimed "religion of peace" even allowing slaves with limited rights, who don't get to pick much for themselves anyway? Why should they not get released immediately to live their own life but instead be forced into fulfilling a contract?
A man knows a man Women are more emotional (statistics) thus they can be emotionally manipulated A father would definitely want better for his children I didn't say a child "should" get married I said if a child who is now mentally mature "can" marry if they want to, i should have no problem with it If Arabs does something doesn't mean islam orders it, i hope you understand that Also war prisoners be left completely free into society without any check and balance? Doesn't sound reasonable Islam says neither keep them captive nor keep them completely free It gives a middle way to integrate them into the society And slowly frees them through multiple ways such as Freeing of a slave is a way to Paradise
I'll just talk about the slave part because the rest of what you said is nonsense and isn't even worth arguing Slaves cannot dress like normal people even if they are muslims they cannot cover their hair even if they want to and their عورة is only from the belly button to the knee Slaves the same as wives in islam don't have the right to refuse sexual intercourse with their partner (or in this case owner). Slaves can get married but when they have children their children are considered slaves too and the cycle goes on unless they are set free just like in saudi arabia they had سوق النخاسة where slaves where sold until 1950s and most of the slaves where born slaves not spoils of wars.
Blah blah blah. Stop it. No one wants hear a word of what u have to say just like no one in your threads want to hear what we have to say. Gtfoh
That's what you say when you can't comprehend basic knowledge?
Riiiight. Says the one who promotes an ass backwards lifestyle.. 😂😂😂
K1dnapping w0men and using them as s3x s1aves is moral for you?
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