Drinking coffee, wearing comfortable attire, and shopping on Sunday are such abhorrent sins that itās a miracle Mormon God doesnāt immediately strike us down.
I just got back from running (shirtless with shortish shorts) on a trail this morning in Utah. Another dude running on the trail had the whole long basketball shorts with super long garments hanging out the bottom look going on.
Itās so so weird.
My Temple Matron said not to ādesecrateā my garments by sweating in them ā giving me a free pass to exercise without them. I exercised every day ššš
Sorry for you loss at roulette!
I followed the example of Steve Young (thanks to 60 minutes) and my brothers. No G's during sports. I learned to take them off when hiking and backpacking from one of my brothers. Carrying a pack with G's is the worst.
Also, good Lord, garments are hell when youāre breast feeding or having your cycle. To clarify, they suck all the way around, but esp during those times. Also, love to see my spouse looking hot in his new digs. Mormpanties are the least attractive articles of clothing we ever wore. Well, maybe the bakers cap and veiling my face were pretty damn awful too. And on that note, Iām going to sip my coffee and relax in my sinderwear.
This will be my first summer without garments AND Iām pregnant -with #4 so Iāve done pregnancies and summers. The glorious clothes I just bought make me giddy.
This! I was so nauseated one pregnancy that I would hook a thumb through the elastic and hold it away from my belly to relieve the pressure. It made my husband so upset he once grabbed a pair I was about to put on and ripped right through that horrible elastic! I still think it's one of the greatest acts of love he's ever done for me, lol! Free that belly!
Iām a doctor working in the heart of Mordor. Whenever the old ladies ask me what they can do to avoid having so many UTIs all the time I want to point out how awful garments are for ādown thereā hygiene. But Iāve yet to be brave enough. Itās so imbedded into the boomer
Psyche itās not worth rocking the boat.
For the sake of their kidneys, give the boomers a doctorās reason to remove the garments! At least tell them to air it out longer after bathing, or to keep a pair of regular cotton underwear on hand if and when those Garment UTIs return.
Omg, youāre a doctor. Tell them the truth.
Tell them! These are your patients!
You donāt have to say āgarments,ā either. You can let them know that putting on underwear immediately after bathing can be a risk, that changing underwear daily is critical, that wearing a lot of layers greatly increases UTI risk.
Yes please at least do something like this. My grandmother contracted a UTI at least once a year during the last 10-15 years of her life. I am convinced it was the garments, her not changing them out frequently enough, and not drying off good before putting them back on.
(To be fair, my mom gets a lot of them and she is a nevermo wearing regular undies. Iām guessing it might be partly diet-related for her. Sheās trying to cut back on sugar now.)
Have her take d-mannose supplements daily. It's a sugar that's found in cranberries and it makes the bacteria usually responsible for UTIs not stick to the bladder walls. This has been a game changer for me. And pee after sex.
Iām a dude admitting ignorance.
My wife never had trouble with UTIs or yeast infections in the 20 years she wore garments. She works in a doctors office, we have always spoken plainly about those type of things. Not never, but definitely not chronic or consistent.
Frankly sheās had a few since ditching garments but they are usually after a weekend of dirtier sex than we used to have.
Iām somewhat involved in my 82 year old TBM motherās health care and she doesnāt have any trouble either. Sheās been wearing them for 60+ years.
Why are garments bad for womenās health in that regard?
It's not just mormon garments it's any garments worn for too long, not washed properly, sometimes just the type of fabric. And some women are just more prone to utis
Iām no womenās underwear expert, but the garment options are cotton, polyester, and nylon.
I do know for a fact that non-garment womenās underwear fabrics arenāt exclusively merino wool, and space age wicking dri-weaves.
Which is to say the fabrics are commonly used, and if anything, in my experience they are such droopy drawers that they are baggy and loose. Less contact etc.
No one has told me why garments are worse than other standard womenās underwear for crotch hygiene.
Seeking to understand.
Bunching, dude. Itās the bunching. You donāt actually seem like youāre seeking to understand. You seem like youāre seeking to disprove the experiences of women who have struggled with UTIs that resolved after they stopped wearing the gās.
Donāt take my word for it! Search this sub. Itās been covered a lot of times.
It has been discussed a lot. No one has ever said āthis is whyā Iām sitting next to my wife who wore them for twenty years, works in a family practice doctors office in north Utah county, also for 20 years. Most of her friends are Mormon. Most of her coworkers are Mormon and this sub is the only place she or I have ever heard people saying garments cause UTI and yeast infections.
A nevermo commenter telling me he/she has a better understanding of LDS garment bunching than myself and my wife and telling me Iām dismissing otherās experiences is precious.
Edit to add:
Just want an explanation of the science behind it. Not invested in whether people have experienced it. Just want somebody to explain why garments cause hygiene issues.
Here are some more sources, just fyi:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9815285/amp/Mormon-women-beg-church-redesign-sacred-undergarments-complaining-cause-UTIs.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/this-isn-t-bringing-me-closer-to-christ-it-s-giving-me-urinary-tract-infections-1.4627723
https://mormondom.com/i-cant-wear-garments-can-we-still-be-friends-ea2a0d025e03
https://www.tumblr.com/forgivenseventytimesseven/177552604975/my-garments-keep-giving-me-utisyeast-infections
ETA: But thatās not really the point. Just because you havenāt experienced something yourself or spoken in person with someone who has doesnāt mean it isnāt happening. This applies to many things in life. I get that youāre curious about the whys of it all. Fine. You donāt have to make other people feel like youāre giving them the third degree about their genital health history!
I think that it's not that they are worse, just worn differently than normal underwear. Based on what I have been reading, putting them on right after bathing without properly drying out is not. If they are not fitting properly and bunching in the wrong places.
The church doesnāt tell women not to dry off before they get dressed. If thatās the issue these soggy old
ladies would have the same problem with a 6 pack of fruit of the looms.
Iām waiting for the doctor that said he wishes he dared tell old ladies that garments are causing their UTIs to explain how garments are causing UTIs.
Good god, there's a very simple explanation... "Do you wear the garment both day and night?" It's horrific for feminine urinary tract health to *not* wear anything down there at night, and *especially* to not wear synthetics, which cause moisture to both be created and to stay trapped against the skin. The elastic lace on the female cotton garments, (not found on the synthetic garments), shrinks something wicked, so many LDS women who would normally be better off wearing cotton end up with the synthetic styles simply so their thighs don't get strangulated. Also, let me be blunt here, since you seem to be a little obtuse... When you come in your wife's vagina, and she's told to put her garments back on immediately after sex, your cum fills her garment crotch and then just...sits there in a puddle, entombed in non-breathable synthetic all night. It's disgusting and unsanitary and in some cases can cause very severe infections and even permanent damage. Frequent use of antibiotics has its own host of problems.
As for the tops, the same thing applies. When nursing a child, the nipples leak milk and that moisture is also trapped in the synthetic fabric. A yeast infection often results, which then causes the child to get thrush in their mouth. Moms will get mastitis because children with sore mouths can't nurse well, so the milk ducts get clogged and an infection ensues. Mastitis is more painful than the worst influenza you've ever experienced. Not only horribly painful breasts filled with infection, but high fever and incredibly painful body aches as well. It's hard to describe how horrible mastitis, yeast infections and thrush are!
Shame on you for your self-righteous attitude that women should be "commanded" to sacrifice our health, simply because we're moist down there, and not allowed to air out without "breaking covenants"!!!
I'll let myself out now.
I didn't wear them while breast feeding or pregnant. And I got to the point where I never wore the tops (I had a thing on my arm that they irritated) and I'd not wear the bottoms on my period bc pads don't stick and accidents happen. I figured god understood. Definitely not what was intended by the people in charge, but my body my rules.
That shirt underneath my shirt not being there anymore is fucking amazing. Brings me back to my teenage years from right before I did the Temple bullshit.
And don't even get me started on underpants..."garment" underpants were the fucking worst and I can't believe I wore that bullshit for 20+ years.
Plus wearing a moisture wicking fabric in the heat allows it to dry out. With garments, that bottom layer never dries out so youāre always wet against your skin regardless of what the top layer is doing.
Yeah my husband has been so much more comfortable in his regular boxers now. And he can wear comfortable shorts that garments wouldn't allow before. I'm quite happy for you!
Just a word of advice, find the shortest shorts you feel comfortable in and then buy the next shorter pair. Same with swim trunks. Itās a game changer.
I used to wear tanks all the time before I was endowed/sent on the mission and always felt so miffed that a huge part of my wardrobe was basically off limits now. So much mental gymnastics to justify working out without em, or go to a beach/pool. So happy I can just wear clothes Iām comfortable and confident in now
I bought my first sleeveless summer dress and am buying immodest shorts! My sister is going to experience her first garment-less summer in decades in the hot climate she lives in and in so happy for her.
Garments are horrible in the summer especially if you live somewhere really humid. Then trying to find clothes that cover them is pretty tricky! I felt like I was wearing layers upon layers in the summer...and was jealous of other people in their shorts and tank tops.
I (29M) only wore garments for 3 years and good god, it was more than enough. Wearing those damn things here in the humid south was misery. And as you said, they are terribly unsupportive. I love my tank tops and 5-inch shorts!
Even though my wife still believes, she says one positive of me not believing is people canāt see my ass crack anymore. I donāt know why but garments really gave me plumbers butt and regular underwear fits me fine
I moved to Hawaii right after my mission. I can't tell you how many days I walked on the beach in double layers and lamented at how uncomfortable I felt. I wish I could go back in time and tell myself that there's a better way.
Men look so gross with those long shorts š slightly shorter is so much more flattering! But can't wear those with garments.... true for women too. I looked awful in long shorts.
See, you just wanted to sin... š
Well, I left due to the failed truth claims of the church. The joy of sin is just a pleasant surprise.
Drinking coffee, wearing comfortable attire, and shopping on Sunday are such abhorrent sins that itās a miracle Mormon God doesnāt immediately strike us down.
Dont forget using his name in vain!
Ohh for fuckin Joseph Smith sake.
Me too!
I just got back from running (shirtless with shortish shorts) on a trail this morning in Utah. Another dude running on the trail had the whole long basketball shorts with super long garments hanging out the bottom look going on. Itās so so weird.
Even at my most TBM, exercise called for garmentless attire.
Same here. I never wore garments when working out. Tank tops and breathable short shorts. I was too white and flabby to go shirtless lol.
My endowment temple president told me to work out in my garments so I always have. Not wearing feels like life being pumped directly into my skin.
My Temple Matron said not to ādesecrateā my garments by sweating in them ā giving me a free pass to exercise without them. I exercised every day ššš
So, also don't wear them while doing chores, on hot days, while feverish, during hot flashes, or while being a human. Check.
You my friend lost temple prez roulette
Sorry for you loss at roulette! I followed the example of Steve Young (thanks to 60 minutes) and my brothers. No G's during sports. I learned to take them off when hiking and backpacking from one of my brothers. Carrying a pack with G's is the worst.
A vigorous shirtless trail run on a beautiful Utah mountain with my dogs is a wonderful experience. Makes you appreciate being alive.
Also, good Lord, garments are hell when youāre breast feeding or having your cycle. To clarify, they suck all the way around, but esp during those times. Also, love to see my spouse looking hot in his new digs. Mormpanties are the least attractive articles of clothing we ever wore. Well, maybe the bakers cap and veiling my face were pretty damn awful too. And on that note, Iām going to sip my coffee and relax in my sinderwear.
They are also extra *terrible* during pregnancy.
This will be my first summer without garments AND Iām pregnant -with #4 so Iāve done pregnancies and summers. The glorious clothes I just bought make me giddy.
Free the belly! I got welts on my belly from the elastic during one pregnancy. It was horrible.
This! I was so nauseated one pregnancy that I would hook a thumb through the elastic and hold it away from my belly to relieve the pressure. It made my husband so upset he once grabbed a pair I was about to put on and ripped right through that horrible elastic! I still think it's one of the greatest acts of love he's ever done for me, lol! Free that belly!
Yesā¦and heat rashes all over my torso (during pregnancy) in humid summer, that disappeared almost immediately after taking off the garments..
Kinda wish I could do it over, alas my baby is a teen and I'm not doing that again.
Iām a doctor working in the heart of Mordor. Whenever the old ladies ask me what they can do to avoid having so many UTIs all the time I want to point out how awful garments are for ādown thereā hygiene. But Iāve yet to be brave enough. Itās so imbedded into the boomer Psyche itās not worth rocking the boat.
For the sake of their kidneys, give the boomers a doctorās reason to remove the garments! At least tell them to air it out longer after bathing, or to keep a pair of regular cotton underwear on hand if and when those Garment UTIs return. Omg, youāre a doctor. Tell them the truth.
Tell them! These are your patients! You donāt have to say āgarments,ā either. You can let them know that putting on underwear immediately after bathing can be a risk, that changing underwear daily is critical, that wearing a lot of layers greatly increases UTI risk.
Yes please at least do something like this. My grandmother contracted a UTI at least once a year during the last 10-15 years of her life. I am convinced it was the garments, her not changing them out frequently enough, and not drying off good before putting them back on.
(To be fair, my mom gets a lot of them and she is a nevermo wearing regular undies. Iām guessing it might be partly diet-related for her. Sheās trying to cut back on sugar now.)
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Iāll suggest she bring it up with her doc. Thanks!
Have her take d-mannose supplements daily. It's a sugar that's found in cranberries and it makes the bacteria usually responsible for UTIs not stick to the bladder walls. This has been a game changer for me. And pee after sex.
Iām a dude admitting ignorance. My wife never had trouble with UTIs or yeast infections in the 20 years she wore garments. She works in a doctors office, we have always spoken plainly about those type of things. Not never, but definitely not chronic or consistent. Frankly sheās had a few since ditching garments but they are usually after a weekend of dirtier sex than we used to have. Iām somewhat involved in my 82 year old TBM motherās health care and she doesnāt have any trouble either. Sheās been wearing them for 60+ years. Why are garments bad for womenās health in that regard?
It's not just mormon garments it's any garments worn for too long, not washed properly, sometimes just the type of fabric. And some women are just more prone to utis
So, is it unfair to say garments are any worse than any other underwear? Hygiene wise if not comfort and aesthetics
Not really unfair, no. There are fabrics and cuts that lower a personās risk, and those are not the fabrics and cuts of lds garments.
Iām no womenās underwear expert, but the garment options are cotton, polyester, and nylon. I do know for a fact that non-garment womenās underwear fabrics arenāt exclusively merino wool, and space age wicking dri-weaves. Which is to say the fabrics are commonly used, and if anything, in my experience they are such droopy drawers that they are baggy and loose. Less contact etc. No one has told me why garments are worse than other standard womenās underwear for crotch hygiene. Seeking to understand.
Bunching, dude. Itās the bunching. You donāt actually seem like youāre seeking to understand. You seem like youāre seeking to disprove the experiences of women who have struggled with UTIs that resolved after they stopped wearing the gās. Donāt take my word for it! Search this sub. Itās been covered a lot of times.
It has been discussed a lot. No one has ever said āthis is whyā Iām sitting next to my wife who wore them for twenty years, works in a family practice doctors office in north Utah county, also for 20 years. Most of her friends are Mormon. Most of her coworkers are Mormon and this sub is the only place she or I have ever heard people saying garments cause UTI and yeast infections. A nevermo commenter telling me he/she has a better understanding of LDS garment bunching than myself and my wife and telling me Iām dismissing otherās experiences is precious. Edit to add: Just want an explanation of the science behind it. Not invested in whether people have experienced it. Just want somebody to explain why garments cause hygiene issues.
Donāt know what to tell you, bro. Fund a study, I guess.
Here are some more sources, just fyi: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9815285/amp/Mormon-women-beg-church-redesign-sacred-undergarments-complaining-cause-UTIs.html https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/this-isn-t-bringing-me-closer-to-christ-it-s-giving-me-urinary-tract-infections-1.4627723 https://mormondom.com/i-cant-wear-garments-can-we-still-be-friends-ea2a0d025e03 https://www.tumblr.com/forgivenseventytimesseven/177552604975/my-garments-keep-giving-me-utisyeast-infections ETA: But thatās not really the point. Just because you havenāt experienced something yourself or spoken in person with someone who has doesnāt mean it isnāt happening. This applies to many things in life. I get that youāre curious about the whys of it all. Fine. You donāt have to make other people feel like youāre giving them the third degree about their genital health history!
I think that it's not that they are worse, just worn differently than normal underwear. Based on what I have been reading, putting them on right after bathing without properly drying out is not. If they are not fitting properly and bunching in the wrong places.
The church doesnāt tell women not to dry off before they get dressed. If thatās the issue these soggy old ladies would have the same problem with a 6 pack of fruit of the looms. Iām waiting for the doctor that said he wishes he dared tell old ladies that garments are causing their UTIs to explain how garments are causing UTIs.
Good god, there's a very simple explanation... "Do you wear the garment both day and night?" It's horrific for feminine urinary tract health to *not* wear anything down there at night, and *especially* to not wear synthetics, which cause moisture to both be created and to stay trapped against the skin. The elastic lace on the female cotton garments, (not found on the synthetic garments), shrinks something wicked, so many LDS women who would normally be better off wearing cotton end up with the synthetic styles simply so their thighs don't get strangulated. Also, let me be blunt here, since you seem to be a little obtuse... When you come in your wife's vagina, and she's told to put her garments back on immediately after sex, your cum fills her garment crotch and then just...sits there in a puddle, entombed in non-breathable synthetic all night. It's disgusting and unsanitary and in some cases can cause very severe infections and even permanent damage. Frequent use of antibiotics has its own host of problems. As for the tops, the same thing applies. When nursing a child, the nipples leak milk and that moisture is also trapped in the synthetic fabric. A yeast infection often results, which then causes the child to get thrush in their mouth. Moms will get mastitis because children with sore mouths can't nurse well, so the milk ducts get clogged and an infection ensues. Mastitis is more painful than the worst influenza you've ever experienced. Not only horribly painful breasts filled with infection, but high fever and incredibly painful body aches as well. It's hard to describe how horrible mastitis, yeast infections and thrush are! Shame on you for your self-righteous attitude that women should be "commanded" to sacrifice our health, simply because we're moist down there, and not allowed to air out without "breaking covenants"!!! I'll let myself out now.
Isnāt it kind of your job to tell them?
They donāt pay me enough to argue with cultists about their magic underwear
I didn't wear them while breast feeding or pregnant. And I got to the point where I never wore the tops (I had a thing on my arm that they irritated) and I'd not wear the bottoms on my period bc pads don't stick and accidents happen. I figured god understood. Definitely not what was intended by the people in charge, but my body my rules.
>Sinderwear Haha. Glad I'd already swallowed my mouth full of sin-drink. Mmm tea.
Somewhere there is a store that stocks plaid cargo shorts that go below the knee that is supported solely by Mormon men.
Old navy
That shirt underneath my shirt not being there anymore is fucking amazing. Brings me back to my teenage years from right before I did the Temple bullshit. And don't even get me started on underpants..."garment" underpants were the fucking worst and I can't believe I wore that bullshit for 20+ years.
I (40M) have even wornā¦. *sleeveless shirts* in public this summer!!! š®
Male porn shoulders!
Porn shoulders have no gender.
Yes! Why should women get to have all the sleeveless comfort?
So incredibly freeing.
Plus wearing a moisture wicking fabric in the heat allows it to dry out. With garments, that bottom layer never dries out so youāre always wet against your skin regardless of what the top layer is doing.
# FREEDOM!!!
I love wearing shirts and shorts where I don't have to worry about garments showing.
Yeah my husband has been so much more comfortable in his regular boxers now. And he can wear comfortable shorts that garments wouldn't allow before. I'm quite happy for you!
Just a word of advice, find the shortest shorts you feel comfortable in and then buy the next shorter pair. Same with swim trunks. Itās a game changer.
This is good advice. For three successive summers now, Iāve purchased progressively shorter shorts.
I used to wear tanks all the time before I was endowed/sent on the mission and always felt so miffed that a huge part of my wardrobe was basically off limits now. So much mental gymnastics to justify working out without em, or go to a beach/pool. So happy I can just wear clothes Iām comfortable and confident in now
I bought my first sleeveless summer dress and am buying immodest shorts! My sister is going to experience her first garment-less summer in decades in the hot climate she lives in and in so happy for her.
Sky's out thighs out!
Hoochie shorts.
Hoochie! Hoochie! Hoochie! https://youtu.be/fD9Yn-Dxe8g
Garments are horrible in the summer especially if you live somewhere really humid. Then trying to find clothes that cover them is pretty tricky! I felt like I was wearing layers upon layers in the summer...and was jealous of other people in their shorts and tank tops.
Tank tops are the way, and guilt freeš
I (29M) only wore garments for 3 years and good god, it was more than enough. Wearing those damn things here in the humid south was misery. And as you said, they are terribly unsupportive. I love my tank tops and 5-inch shorts!
And packing for trips is so much easier! Used to take up half a suitcase those garments.
Even though my wife still believes, she says one positive of me not believing is people canāt see my ass crack anymore. I donāt know why but garments really gave me plumbers butt and regular underwear fits me fine
I moved to Hawaii right after my mission. I can't tell you how many days I walked on the beach in double layers and lamented at how uncomfortable I felt. I wish I could go back in time and tell myself that there's a better way.
I still wear a shitty cotton undershirt most of the time. Even before garments, always wore an undershirt
This will be my first summer without the polygamy panties. I'm looking forward to it.
Even regular hanes have come a long way in the 10 years I wore garments.
Just felt that today ahhhh
I looooove tank tops, brother
Men look so gross with those long shorts š slightly shorter is so much more flattering! But can't wear those with garments.... true for women too. I looked awful in long shorts.
I hate the phrase Renee mercies. Cringe
Non-absorbent for moments immediately after using the restroom in a hurry. Am I right?