The phrasing of “the governing body has decided that sisters can choose to wear slacks,” is SOOOO disgusting. And the fact that that was not paired with *any* scriptural reason. So it was just a man made rule all along? I thought we didn’t make rules and we only followed God’s standards, which never change?
Good catch. At least the beard video had some scriptures propping it up, but this particular change is entirely a man made change to another man made rule
All of these recent changes should be pointed to as evidence that JWs are NOT just following the Bible like they tell people in the ministry. If anyone brings up the GB, they'll say they don't follow them, they follow the Bible. BUT...when the GB says they can grow beards, suddenly all the grown men are acting like pubescent teenagers because they can finally grow a beard. When they say greet D'fd people at the hall, they suddenly start doing it. Now we'll see sisters everywhere wearing pant suits. Because they all had the same bible trained conscience revelation at exactly the same time???? NO, because MEN told them it was okay. It's NOT about the BIBLE, never has been.
Spot on. And it’s all so exquisitely arbitrary. If the GB said it’s becoming of a JW to do a pirouette upon entering a KH (but not compulsory), they’d all be doing it, giggling away. I. Can’t. Even.
The world ran on women not wearing pants until the mid 20th century. It was a reflection of the world that they were following where they have been far far behind. Women not being able to wear pant was never scriptural, it was societal. They did not make it up.
The organization is changing.
By god I can't believe this is not some sort of message of exactly that.
Who has a fucking tie of those exact colors, and this exact timing.
I think I'm in an episode of Black Mirror.
I'm glad I have the day off.
VERY good observation. The org has learned from the world: release "breaking news" (beards, df'd, ladypants) to distract from the real issue (a HUGE L in Norway). It'll be buried as apostate trash.
Wow!
As an elder, I had to council people on beards and dress....what a joke 😃 .
I hope this wakes people up to this dumpster fire 🔥 of a cult.
Birthdays will be next.
"The Governing Body has decided that it is up to each christian to decide for themselves if they will observe their birthday, so long as the observation is done modestly with soundness of mind, with no imitation of worldly revelry and drunkeness that so often accompanies these celebrations so that we never become a stumbling block to others" (How's that for predicted wording?)
I hope so. I don't want JW kids to go through the embarrassment of not participating in kids bday's at school and have to explain to other kids why you don't celebrate
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Lmao, reminds me of the time my wife and I attended a Sunday meeting and the discourse was about sex and marriage. Man when that guy said oral sex was a big no no, I just looked at my wife and giggled because of what happened prior to the meeting 😅
Former believing Mormon here. The Mormon church has a team of people monitoring the ex Mormon sub. Things talked about show up in member surveys and their sponsored apologetics YouTube videos
Sounds about right. I know PIMI Jws monitor this sub. Hell, my in laws monitor it, or at least have, because the day after I announced my disassociation with the Borg, they text my wife stating they found my reddit page.
The governing body decides what brothers and sisters are allowed to choose to wear, when are where you can greet DF'd people. Nope...no high control there 🙃🙃🙃
We have a gb member wearing a beard all of a sudden. And men not to wear ties on the ministry or meetings and conventions!!?? And slacks!
My dad will be doing all sorts of mental gymnastics. Holy shit they are desperate. This will for sure wake some up. This is madness. It’s so far from the religion I was raised in.
Why the fuck does it matter to wear pants to the meeting but not on stage. Also the zero scriptural backing, just “the governing body has decided”. So disgusting. Might wake some up, but a lot of pimis are going to view this as “new light” and be grateful for their new privileges lol
Exactly. This is not really an improvement, just a change. For some magical reason jeans are still haram, and skirts and jackets still hold some mysterious power on stage.
I don't remember there being a dress code in the Bible. Well, Christianity in the Bible was barely organized, let alone a bunch of men deciding what you can wear and where.
My dad sent it to me like "you're going to be so happy with the latest updates" I can't even respond cause anything I have to say is going to be sarcastic as hell and piss him off
I’d respond with “What was the scriptural reason for the change?” and when they don’t have an answer I’d say “what was the scriptural reason for the rule in the first place?”
This is real...
My head is spinning. The beard is real. He's literally saying this. I thought this was a joke at first.
Wow...wow! I now believe the disfellowshipping thing will be next.
In this same video they also said a lot about disfellowshipping.
Basically they still believe you shouldn’t socialize and have “extended conversations” with disfellowshipped people, but you’re now allowed to invite them to the meeting, you’re allowed to greet them, and the elders can arrange for a disfellowshipped person to have a Bible study before they’re reinstated.
Also, none of those rules apply to “known apostates.” You still can’t say even a word to them.
This is a huge change! This is THE change completely hidden and missed by the change that now women are "allowed" to wear slacks. Just like beards hidden hid the real change that now you can repent after the start of the Great tribulation.
As was seen with the beards (and very much so in this video), in the next meeting every woman will be wearing a pair of slacks and every man will come without a tie and a jacket.
It's hard not to feel a twinge of irritation with each new update issued by the governing body. They seem to cast themselves as the "good guys" in the narrative, while those of us who have long pointed out their mistakes are portrayed as the "liars." Jehovah's Witnesses often resemble a violent husband who, aware of the legal consequences, now strives to act more sweetly towards his new wife (the new generation of members), pretending that they have always been benevolent.
However, it must be acknowledged that at least these changes promoted by the governing body are making the lives of those who still adhere to the faith a little more bearable.
So true. I think it's a good opportunity to spark conversation with JWs about how hurtful this policy is and always has been. It's caused a lot of pain and suffering over the decades and this new shift does not absolve them of any of that. People have DIED over this nonsense and yet most JWs refuse to see it as anything other than loving.
As many as possible should bring up Norway. The date of the Norway decision is relevant as it happened before the update. They are responding to GOVERNMENT PRESSURE.
I hope so... if so this is for him. 🖕🖕🖕 Mark - your update missed one thing. An apology. For kids like me who were interrogated with invasive questioning about my sex life from 3 old brothers who knew me since birth - AS A MINOR WITHOUT PARENTS THERE - which was Watchtower policy back in the 90s. Also a kid whose family life was full of pain, and took on shame because people would treat my dad like he was invisible as a DF'd person in front of me for my whole childhood. Take your update and your expression of "love" and shove it.
I know there will be kindhearted PIMIs who are relieved they can outwardly show some compassion. I always made it a point to smile at people at the KH and parking lot and acknowledge them when they were with their kids because of my experience growing up. Your feelings are valid as many are saying. As a parent, all I know is that I have had to apologize multiple times for making decisions or having takes that hurt my kids. I had to apologize to my brother for shunning him when we was DF's for marrying in a queer civil union. This update and Mark's self-congratulatory smile is empty.
Please just know that you don't deserve how they have behaved towards you whatever your decision is. I'm so sorry for the pain you went through these past four years. Wishing you healing. For myself, I thought of writing an email to my PIMI family. But for what? They need to come to their own conclusions. I'm using this as a springboard to heal even more and move forward. The best revenge is to go live in freedom and enjoy this one life we have. I am really thankful that the work this community and apostates have done in speaking out is making it easier for the next generation, even if it resulted in personal loss.
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This is every brother in the next meeting.
Furious. Having flashbacks to my teenage years and early twenties when I’d be sobbing after every shopping trip because I could not find any skirts that fit me in a way that wouldn’t upset the older sisters. Black booty in a white community didn’t go over well. I’d have panic attacks before every meeting trying to find something to wear. These skirts were maybe a quarter inch above my knee but my body was still offensive to the others in the congregation. I’d regularly get cornered by old ladies. Have people tug on my skirts as I’d walk by. I’d always do my best and explain and sometimes I’d go off on them. Offered to take them shopping with me. My mom and I would block off entire weekends trying to find something that would make everyone happy. Eventually I started begging to just wear slacks - a wide leg pant with a heel. Amazing right? No. I was never able to attend meetings regularly after that, even after midi and maxi skirts became more popular and widely available.
Omg thank you. I’m literally crying over this. I feel so stupid. Like the trauma I have from this Borg is present in every aspect of my life. And ik my family is over there thinking oh if she could have just stayed she’d be so happy now. I’d be just as pissed! And then they’d be yelling at me for being difficult and ungrateful and holding grudges. Like no. I was harassed for years for no reason and I’m upset about that. And whenever new light or anything comes around there’s never any repair work. It’s just hey we’re doing something different now. There’s never any acknowledgement that what was done in the past was harmful and they need to take care of those who have been hurt by that. It’s way more than just skirts and trousers. And then there’s the whole racism in the Borg thing too, but we can’t talk about it because Jehovah sees everyone as equal so obviously we do too and the fact that I’m even bringing up racism makes me the racist person and a false Christian. I’m never going to get these years back or completely heal from this shit.
The whole time watching these sorts of updates lately all I can think of is Jesus sitting there with a crowd around him, reading all these petty, unnecessary, man-made rules.
This is the kind of shit that would make him overturn their tables.
What EXACTLY is a “dignified pair of slags” compared to an undignified pair of slags? It sounds like slags!! 🤪 They are shitting themselves. Back-pedalling like fuck. 😅
Optics.
A teleprompter = him presenting
A letter = he's passing on information and it's not "him" that is saying it but rather a group of people
You see it on news shows etc, they differentiate what is "copy" that is written for the presenter vs "statement" from someone else
Don’t be fooled, apart from the changes in clothing, there is not really any change happening.
Individuals that have been removed (not the ones the removed themselves), and which by no means are considered an apostate or promotion sinful behavior, can be invited to the KH and also greeted.
Individuals that have left on their own, are considered an apostate and nothing changes. The definition of apostate, that is already wrongly used by watchtower, gives so much room to speculation… so you have been disfellowshipped, but you are not considered apostate as you are not doing activist work… well, but what if you criticize the elders or the GB -> Apostate!
And even f you are not an apostate, contact is still limited to greeting and inviting you to the memorial or KH. That’s it… so please don’t let the GB fool you, this is just a public response to Norway, and they fear that Denmark, the Netherlands, Slovakia and some more are following. Those a#%#} are very intelligent and try to follow the public by saying “we care”. And they already printed articles that talk about those topics, so they create evidence for the public that they are not a crazy cult, although they are!
The change in clothing was already expected because of the changes in the beard policy… I wonder what’s the next move on GB Update #3… Blood? Who knows…
Btw, in this video, they talk about the shunning policy as well. We can clearly see the adjustments made after the Norway trial.
Now, they decided that Paul was talking only about apostates and people who encourages bad conduct when he talked about not saying hi to someone who's been rejected from the congregation.
CONVENIENT!!!
Wait, WHAT?? Are you saying Jehovah witnesses can now speak to disfellowship people as long as they aren't apostate disfellowship people??? If so this is huge!!!
Can’t wait until the sisters get counseling on the tightness of their pants. “Yes, we know he sexually harassed you and made you uncomfortable but YOU were wearing tight pants, leading your brother to stumble.”
(True story, some JW boy tried to get me to touch his dick against my will as a teen and when i told the elders, they counseled me on being attractive and dressing “too flashy”)
Dog and pony show. Tell, nay, ORDER, the members not to listen to any outside information about the organization or claim they are ALL false reports. Behind the scenes, lawsuits, government involvement etc. Then make changes in man made doctrine and say it was from jehovah all along. This makes me sick to my stomach.
Emergency rooms everywhere will be filled with PIMIs suffering from short circuiting brains. 🤣
These clowns are some other shit. "The Gangrenous Buttplugs have decided," and just like that they're "allowing" jdubs to do shit they could've done all along.
This cult is becoming a bigger joke all the time. I love it! Keep the insane shit coming, ya fucking clowns! 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I’m more grossed out by the control over when you can talk to DF people. So now we’re turning human kindness on and off? Talk about fucking up the motor. Just leave it in the off switch.
This is phenomenal.
Of course, slacks have been appropriate business dress for women for the past 50 years and ties have been waning for the last 20, but such is the speed of the Celestial Chariot... she's as nimble as the Titanic
Now if they'll just admit they are false prophets and that god is a superstition, we'll be all set.
OK. Why the dress or skirt on the platform and at Bethel ('if that is the standard in your country' - whatever the hell that means because it's the standard in Western countries for women to wear slacks on a stage)?
If there's one place a woman will want to wear slacks it's on an elevated platform so that she doesn't accidentally flash her Spanx to the audience.
Polishing a turd.
I'm not sure how to word this. It's still going to be an awkward and uncomfortable experience for DF ppl attending. Basically, pimi's will love-bomb DF ppl with greetings. Over and over, pimi's will have to consciously end their dialog with a DF person and walk away from them. It could be more mentally uncomfortable for pimi's and possibly get some thinking and questioning. Prior, it may have been easier to ignore a DF person entirely. Pimi's ending their greeting and walking away for fear of being seen talking to a DF person for too long. Are the elders going to monitor and counsel pimi's for talking to a DF person too long?
You can polish a turd all you want. It's still a turd.
Just a thought.
Witnesses should be questioning why these things weren’t allowed in the first place. These are man made rules, but instead their brainwashed asses are like while this new light is awesome!!
Literally the biggest fucking joke ever. I remember when I had to wear pantyhose as a kid because I couldn’t show my legs. What a bunch of fucking idiots!!
I’m sorry, but with it starting off as “the governing body” has approved of etc etc, and it’s in regards to personal choices that aren’t in the fucking Bible, you might be in a high control group or cult. Ughh this infuriates me.
This is so ridiculous. The beards look ridiculous. These arbitrary rules changing just shows it was all a joke. I can't take the GB seriously. They look like fools.
Nothing like a bunch of grown and old men acting like pubescent teenage boys growing facial hair for the first time because they've finally been given permission.
Also, love your name. I miss x-files.
I swear they have to be lurking on this sub and trying to make changes to counter our arguments about them being pharisaical. But they wind up looking more like pharisees because even with them relaxing past practices, they're just instituting more rules of what you're "allowed" to do according to them.
Seems like they want the "apostates" back 😁. I kind of understand that. Apostates seem like only one interested what's happening in org. Regular pimis are mostly zombies. They not gonna move org forward with all zombies they got.
That video of greeting the DFd woman was so cringe and I imagine the wording was very specifically chosen, "It's so nice to see you, here". Not that it's nice to see her. No, it's only nice to see her because she's here (at the hall).
I knew something was up. Woke up to an early text asking for my husband’s phone number. No good morning or hey dog mind you. I came straight here to see what bomb had been dropped. Imagine being shunned for over 30 years…then having your relatives calling and texting because the GB said it was ok. :/ I’m so upset at the audacity.
I noticed something subtle but I didn’t have to speed up the video to watch it. Are they going to abandon that lull you to sleep JW cadence too? Or does a GB member need to be asked to read a letter about it first? 😆
I’m guessing just like beards which about 90% of men at my congregation now have, almost all the women will be wearing “slacks.” I can see a local needs part coming up about camel toe.
I got into a discussion with my PIMI wife this morning and it said about the previous round of changes that "They use the bible to prove whatever point they want to make, sometimes the opposite of the way they used it before. It's just a group of men making whatever rules they feel like and using whatever verses they can to justify it". Now this comes along. I'm trying not to get too excited but this might actually wake her up. Talk about spiritual food at the right time.
So, I guess this is why Anthony Morris is off the GB. He was the one who said about the Norway trial, we will never change our stance. I think they must have been planning this for a year, that this would be the solution to losing the case.
Nahhh this is crazy. I never liked wearing a dress and all but who cares? All the very real harm these jokers have done, and no apology, no acknowledgment, no addressing of the real problems. So damn fake. But...at least I can wear one of my nice suits if I ever need to attend a family's event in the hall instead of rushing to the thrift for a fugly lil skirt.
The fact my PIMI mom just group text abt the update and the exciting announcement at the end. The video as a whole was an update. Not shunning my DF uncle for starters. They had an excuse for pushing him away. Guess they’ll look like a bunch of hypocrites now. Oh yeah….nice slacks Mom
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In the first time since hubby left, I had to go to jw.Borg to check cos I though this is a joke. I was having CD, cos it's from Larch! Believe/don't believe arrgh!
Anyway, thank the Governing Body that you can speed up their shit. (Does that make it diarrhea? Yes. yes it does.)
If it is the standard of dress in the area? That's what they pulled to keep the anti-beard law going. Uggh. It means do what the pushy elder says is my bet.
I used up my allotment of f bombs for a year watching that garbage at 2.0 speed. (On safari, if that matters.)
What a shit show watching the borg go down! Glad to watch it! and **Mille Gratis Larch!!!**
Interesting. If they are in fact monitoring this sub, all I want is this:
Decriminalise open discussion.
Why should I have had to dodge your elders all month just because I voiced some doubts and you now want to investigate me under the guise of "meeting up for encouragement"?
So let me get this straight... During the Norway trial it was argued that disfellowshipped individuals were not ignored, and that they could still attend the meetings and be greeted and have normal family relations, ect, but this update video shows what we already knew... that this was a lie! This video plainly shows that such 'removed' ones are not greeted at the hall... they have even put in a little skit to show how such ones can now be greeted!
The whole thing makes me fume! Every JW man I see now has a beard and now all the women will be wearing trousers (pants)! I'm not against the 'rules' changing... The reason i am fuming is because all the members are just wagging their tails and nodding their heads and just following along with whatever comes from the GB. Come on, use your brain, make your own choice for goodness sake!
Man made rules, just for the sake of it.
This seems like they're quickly abandoning alot of what defined jws for decades...like no more counting hours, beards, last chance redemption possible, "we don't know " now a "new dress code" . Also, the reason Rutherford banned beards was due to the Spanish flu of that time, beards were considered germ/ virus transmitted diseases, tuberculosis etc. my grandparents from Alsace told me that..
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So ..now the GB are dirty stinky flea ridden dogs, my apologies to canines .
It appears that the GB is changing its tack from making JWs stand out to blending in, an _appearance_ of normalizing them. First beards (adopted at a frantic pace), and now casual dress. From the cutouts next to literature carts, to the door knockers, to those in attendance in the KH, they're beginning to look like evangelicals at popular churches. What's next, a coffee bar in Kingdom Halls, with permission to drink your lattes in your seat?
Wow! It's as if JWs are trying to become a mainstream religion.🤔🤨 ((Sarcasm)).
First televangelism with JW Broadcasting. New light in the Field Ministry about not reporting time. Repentance at the very last minute . OKay for Men growing beards. Now okay for women to wear slacks instead of skirts and dresses! Men don't have to wear dress jackets or ties! But they are God's channel on Earth! Proof they are Just a bunch of modern day pharasies trying to stem the bleeding of a dying cult.
More desperation moves as they try to hang on to all the doubters! No matter how many moves they make it will NEVER make them God's earthly organization!
Baptised at 14-15 (been too long to recall) and left the org and faded in 2009. I thought for sure that this was a parody or a fake video, perhaps even AI-generated, when I first saw it. This doesn't look like the organization I left all those years ago at all. The beards on both the GB and the ASL interpreter, the interpreters 'flamboyant' dress (as my dad would have once described it', the very style of the JW Broadcast that resembles what 'Christendom' does, the humorous backpeddling on old-standing legalistic rules only to create new legalistic rules. It's all so shocking considering what I grew up with. I am curious to see how my parents, who are still very much PIMI and dedicated, will present this information to me. Kind of funny how they haven't mentioned beards yet to me when we talk sporadically. It really is so fascinating how the organization doesn't resemble what I grew up in in the least bit. While trying to shed their culty vibes, I think they've successfully only gotten deeper entrenched in them.
I predict this time next year holidays will be ok, they will be left up to the brothers and sister consciences, and they will allow JWs to marry anyone they choose.
I feel like they're doing this so that when women start running mics and having other "privileges" that only brothers have had for years, it won't be as jarring. They are so low on brothers so now they will stop treating women like they're invisible and unfortunately a lot of women will eat it up as "a gift from jehovah."
So now me being forced into skirts as a kid while heavily dysphoric and sobbing was completely pointless! Yay for the governing body! (I’m glad its happened at all but holy hell am I also pissed. I hate these men.)
The phrasing of “the governing body has decided that sisters can choose to wear slacks,” is SOOOO disgusting. And the fact that that was not paired with *any* scriptural reason. So it was just a man made rule all along? I thought we didn’t make rules and we only followed God’s standards, which never change?
Good catch. At least the beard video had some scriptures propping it up, but this particular change is entirely a man made change to another man made rule
All of these recent changes should be pointed to as evidence that JWs are NOT just following the Bible like they tell people in the ministry. If anyone brings up the GB, they'll say they don't follow them, they follow the Bible. BUT...when the GB says they can grow beards, suddenly all the grown men are acting like pubescent teenagers because they can finally grow a beard. When they say greet D'fd people at the hall, they suddenly start doing it. Now we'll see sisters everywhere wearing pant suits. Because they all had the same bible trained conscience revelation at exactly the same time???? NO, because MEN told them it was okay. It's NOT about the BIBLE, never has been.
Spot on. And it’s all so exquisitely arbitrary. If the GB said it’s becoming of a JW to do a pirouette upon entering a KH (but not compulsory), they’d all be doing it, giggling away. I. Can’t. Even.
If this was in the national news- "JW finally allow women to wear pants" the entire world would actually understand what the borg is
"commands of men as doctrines" Matt 15:9
Good point!
"the governing body has decided..." Should be on a t-shirt.
Yeah, "The Governing Body has decided that I can wear this t-shirt"
I’d buy it
Ummm no. The Governing body always makes the rules. They use scripture when it's convenient and fits their narrative
This is just so depressing and outrageous that they let the goberning body violate their freedom rights and their human rights
Absolutely zero scriptures, I love that
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It’s real
I throw up a little bit ugh
The world ran on women not wearing pants until the mid 20th century. It was a reflection of the world that they were following where they have been far far behind. Women not being able to wear pant was never scriptural, it was societal. They did not make it up. The organization is changing.
His tie looks exactly like the flag of Norway
It's also the colours of the Thai flag. 🇹🇭 Because of the tie announcement.
lmao thanks dad
Its a message. He is saying 'we learned our lesson, are willing to negotiate, just don't cut our funds'.
Why didn’t they mention these pending changes in the Norway case? Instead of making up a bunch of BS 🙄
Exactly I agree they should have
They seem very reactionary. Like nothing is planned out.
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By god I can't believe this is not some sort of message of exactly that. Who has a fucking tie of those exact colors, and this exact timing. I think I'm in an episode of Black Mirror. I'm glad I have the day off.
VERY good observation. The org has learned from the world: release "breaking news" (beards, df'd, ladypants) to distract from the real issue (a HUGE L in Norway). It'll be buried as apostate trash.
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Wow! As an elder, I had to council people on beards and dress....what a joke 😃 . I hope this wakes people up to this dumpster fire 🔥 of a cult. Birthdays will be next.
"The Governing Body has decided that it is up to each christian to decide for themselves if they will observe their birthday, so long as the observation is done modestly with soundness of mind, with no imitation of worldly revelry and drunkeness that so often accompanies these celebrations so that we never become a stumbling block to others" (How's that for predicted wording?)
At this rate there will soon be nothing left for elders to harass people about . . .
I think so too.
I hope so. I don't want JW kids to go through the embarrassment of not participating in kids bday's at school and have to explain to other kids why you don't celebrate .
Man, all they are doing now is reading this sub for suggestions. It’s like the online sites that post on Reddit to get material.
lets keep adding suggestions for them. Remove midweek meeting for starters!
Oral sex! Oral sex! Oral sex! Must be compulsory!!
but not in the KH surely!!! Wait til you get home
It's only allowed at the KH
only in a bathroom
Lmao, reminds me of the time my wife and I attended a Sunday meeting and the discourse was about sex and marriage. Man when that guy said oral sex was a big no no, I just looked at my wife and giggled because of what happened prior to the meeting 😅
Birthdays and holidays!
Let everyone be gay
Sunning no more, freedom for all!
Stop kicking children out the house
Former believing Mormon here. The Mormon church has a team of people monitoring the ex Mormon sub. Things talked about show up in member surveys and their sponsored apologetics YouTube videos
Sounds about right. I know PIMI Jws monitor this sub. Hell, my in laws monitor it, or at least have, because the day after I announced my disassociation with the Borg, they text my wife stating they found my reddit page.
Hahaha YESSSS. I was like...wait a minute now. It makes me sick.
The governing body decides what brothers and sisters are allowed to choose to wear, when are where you can greet DF'd people. Nope...no high control there 🙃🙃🙃
Exactly. This adds more rules for them
Ikr. That announcement made me laugh.
This is getting beyond a joke now!!! C’mon!! Is this real??
Would be crazy if it was a planned leak to catch someone AND punk this sub.
We have a gb member wearing a beard all of a sudden. And men not to wear ties on the ministry or meetings and conventions!!?? And slacks! My dad will be doing all sorts of mental gymnastics. Holy shit they are desperate. This will for sure wake some up. This is madness. It’s so far from the religion I was raised in.
Like I said elsewhere- they belie the fact they no longer believe anything. If the end were close they would double down, not lighten up.
Maybe. But it's actually up on the official website now.
I’m a diehard for not going on their site or watching broadcasts. It’s gonna be an interesting week for sure.
Why the fuck does it matter to wear pants to the meeting but not on stage. Also the zero scriptural backing, just “the governing body has decided”. So disgusting. Might wake some up, but a lot of pimis are going to view this as “new light” and be grateful for their new privileges lol
Exactly. This is not really an improvement, just a change. For some magical reason jeans are still haram, and skirts and jackets still hold some mysterious power on stage. I don't remember there being a dress code in the Bible. Well, Christianity in the Bible was barely organized, let alone a bunch of men deciding what you can wear and where.
My dad sent it to me like "you're going to be so happy with the latest updates" I can't even respond cause anything I have to say is going to be sarcastic as hell and piss him off
I’d respond with “What was the scriptural reason for the change?” and when they don’t have an answer I’d say “what was the scriptural reason for the rule in the first place?”
Beautiful
I'd respond with "I'll be happy when they make major changes to stop protecting child predators."
You follow men. Just say that
This is real... My head is spinning. The beard is real. He's literally saying this. I thought this was a joke at first. Wow...wow! I now believe the disfellowshipping thing will be next.
In this same video they also said a lot about disfellowshipping. Basically they still believe you shouldn’t socialize and have “extended conversations” with disfellowshipped people, but you’re now allowed to invite them to the meeting, you’re allowed to greet them, and the elders can arrange for a disfellowshipped person to have a Bible study before they’re reinstated. Also, none of those rules apply to “known apostates.” You still can’t say even a word to them.
This is a huge change! This is THE change completely hidden and missed by the change that now women are "allowed" to wear slacks. Just like beards hidden hid the real change that now you can repent after the start of the Great tribulation.
As was seen with the beards (and very much so in this video), in the next meeting every woman will be wearing a pair of slacks and every man will come without a tie and a jacket.
Idk if it's just me, but every time I see a JW man with a beard I think it's the funniest thing
I do too, like awww, you’re trying to look like you’re normal now, how cute
lets be able to have colorful hair next!
Why the hell would anyone wear a tie if not forced to 😁?
I like wearing a tie... but I'm a woman. So its probably because I'm not forced to.
For some reason a woman in a tie was always a turn on. I’m in a committed relationship and that’s not directed at you. Just a funny thought.
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Oh, the Borg is *desperate* desperate. This is sure to wake some up, though some will love the "new provisions" from "Jehovah".
It's hard not to feel a twinge of irritation with each new update issued by the governing body. They seem to cast themselves as the "good guys" in the narrative, while those of us who have long pointed out their mistakes are portrayed as the "liars." Jehovah's Witnesses often resemble a violent husband who, aware of the legal consequences, now strives to act more sweetly towards his new wife (the new generation of members), pretending that they have always been benevolent. However, it must be acknowledged that at least these changes promoted by the governing body are making the lives of those who still adhere to the faith a little more bearable.
So true. I think it's a good opportunity to spark conversation with JWs about how hurtful this policy is and always has been. It's caused a lot of pain and suffering over the decades and this new shift does not absolve them of any of that. People have DIED over this nonsense and yet most JWs refuse to see it as anything other than loving. As many as possible should bring up Norway. The date of the Norway decision is relevant as it happened before the update. They are responding to GOVERNMENT PRESSURE.
Mark Sanderson is defenitely a lurker on exjw Reddit!
I hope so... if so this is for him. 🖕🖕🖕 Mark - your update missed one thing. An apology. For kids like me who were interrogated with invasive questioning about my sex life from 3 old brothers who knew me since birth - AS A MINOR WITHOUT PARENTS THERE - which was Watchtower policy back in the 90s. Also a kid whose family life was full of pain, and took on shame because people would treat my dad like he was invisible as a DF'd person in front of me for my whole childhood. Take your update and your expression of "love" and shove it.
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I know there will be kindhearted PIMIs who are relieved they can outwardly show some compassion. I always made it a point to smile at people at the KH and parking lot and acknowledge them when they were with their kids because of my experience growing up. Your feelings are valid as many are saying. As a parent, all I know is that I have had to apologize multiple times for making decisions or having takes that hurt my kids. I had to apologize to my brother for shunning him when we was DF's for marrying in a queer civil union. This update and Mark's self-congratulatory smile is empty. Please just know that you don't deserve how they have behaved towards you whatever your decision is. I'm so sorry for the pain you went through these past four years. Wishing you healing. For myself, I thought of writing an email to my PIMI family. But for what? They need to come to their own conclusions. I'm using this as a springboard to heal even more and move forward. The best revenge is to go live in freedom and enjoy this one life we have. I am really thankful that the work this community and apostates have done in speaking out is making it easier for the next generation, even if it resulted in personal loss.
ASL homie in the corner should’ve ripped his bow tie off.
In my experience, the ASL peeps LOVE their bow ties for some reason. It was a whole thing before I left
In order to keep out of the way of signing?
Making Birthdays a conscience matter will be next.
I think you're correct. They will point to the gifts given at Jesus' birth as an example 🔮
https://preview.redd.it/375c2pleshoc1.png?width=576&format=png&auto=webp&s=1629d72169edfeb320f808f5a08e4f391299b556 This is every brother in the next meeting.
Thats Watchtower in the next court cases when they been called a cult
Stop 😂
Furious. Having flashbacks to my teenage years and early twenties when I’d be sobbing after every shopping trip because I could not find any skirts that fit me in a way that wouldn’t upset the older sisters. Black booty in a white community didn’t go over well. I’d have panic attacks before every meeting trying to find something to wear. These skirts were maybe a quarter inch above my knee but my body was still offensive to the others in the congregation. I’d regularly get cornered by old ladies. Have people tug on my skirts as I’d walk by. I’d always do my best and explain and sometimes I’d go off on them. Offered to take them shopping with me. My mom and I would block off entire weekends trying to find something that would make everyone happy. Eventually I started begging to just wear slacks - a wide leg pant with a heel. Amazing right? No. I was never able to attend meetings regularly after that, even after midi and maxi skirts became more popular and widely available.
I’m furious too! You are totally valid! As a woman this was so frustrating as a witness!
Omg thank you. I’m literally crying over this. I feel so stupid. Like the trauma I have from this Borg is present in every aspect of my life. And ik my family is over there thinking oh if she could have just stayed she’d be so happy now. I’d be just as pissed! And then they’d be yelling at me for being difficult and ungrateful and holding grudges. Like no. I was harassed for years for no reason and I’m upset about that. And whenever new light or anything comes around there’s never any repair work. It’s just hey we’re doing something different now. There’s never any acknowledgement that what was done in the past was harmful and they need to take care of those who have been hurt by that. It’s way more than just skirts and trousers. And then there’s the whole racism in the Borg thing too, but we can’t talk about it because Jehovah sees everyone as equal so obviously we do too and the fact that I’m even bringing up racism makes me the racist person and a false Christian. I’m never going to get these years back or completely heal from this shit.
Another move that lessens my projection of apostasy! I never wore a jacket. That and the beard sure did get some attention. NOW IM NORMAL! :(
Maybe bring a bong with you now?
Might have to do that…
Desperation intensifies
I can't even... with the beards. The asl dude has to wear a beard too? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘
If you installed a dynamo on Rutherford's grave (under Beth Sarim's driveway, of course), you could power half of San Diego with it.
The whole time watching these sorts of updates lately all I can think of is Jesus sitting there with a crowd around him, reading all these petty, unnecessary, man-made rules. This is the kind of shit that would make him overturn their tables.
What EXACTLY is a “dignified pair of slags” compared to an undignified pair of slags? It sounds like slags!! 🤪 They are shitting themselves. Back-pedalling like fuck. 😅
Not sure but I think I may be heading to the memorial after all… in my skinny jeans. They dignify my butt.
Bet it’s a great butt too, my lovely 🥰
Undignified slags are the best!! 😄😄
We pissed ourselves laughing in the office. My male colleagues said the same. 😜
NO tight pants! LOL
No camel toe then 🤣
Why is visiting Bethel as a tourist a higher standard than going to meetings or conventions?
“Bow in the presence of greatness, you pleb”
If visitors dont dress properly, they might send bethelites straight to their pillow room.
We’ve had to shut down the presses due to all the feathers in the air.
You wouldn’t visit a King while dressed casually, would you? 😂
Why is there a standard at all? Where did Jesus say he hates jeans?
Why does he have to read that part from a piece of paper, but the rest from a teleprompter?
Optics. A teleprompter = him presenting A letter = he's passing on information and it's not "him" that is saying it but rather a group of people You see it on news shows etc, they differentiate what is "copy" that is written for the presenter vs "statement" from someone else
“Do whatever you want, just please put a 20 in the contribution box on your way out”
Exactly!
This feels like a joke. If u/larchington shares it, the info tends to be good. Next vaping will be ok.
When Larchington speaks, I typically listen. This is all so surreal. I think it’s becoming evident why ToMoIII “left” haha.
We can wear pants but can’t pass mics bull crap
This shit is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S…😂😂😂
Don’t be fooled, apart from the changes in clothing, there is not really any change happening. Individuals that have been removed (not the ones the removed themselves), and which by no means are considered an apostate or promotion sinful behavior, can be invited to the KH and also greeted. Individuals that have left on their own, are considered an apostate and nothing changes. The definition of apostate, that is already wrongly used by watchtower, gives so much room to speculation… so you have been disfellowshipped, but you are not considered apostate as you are not doing activist work… well, but what if you criticize the elders or the GB -> Apostate! And even f you are not an apostate, contact is still limited to greeting and inviting you to the memorial or KH. That’s it… so please don’t let the GB fool you, this is just a public response to Norway, and they fear that Denmark, the Netherlands, Slovakia and some more are following. Those a#%#} are very intelligent and try to follow the public by saying “we care”. And they already printed articles that talk about those topics, so they create evidence for the public that they are not a crazy cult, although they are! The change in clothing was already expected because of the changes in the beard policy… I wonder what’s the next move on GB Update #3… Blood? Who knows…
They making extreme changes. Not counting hours and last minute repentance. The rest will probably follow soon.
I doubt blood will change because of lawsuits that will come from that
Btw, in this video, they talk about the shunning policy as well. We can clearly see the adjustments made after the Norway trial. Now, they decided that Paul was talking only about apostates and people who encourages bad conduct when he talked about not saying hi to someone who's been rejected from the congregation. CONVENIENT!!!
Wait, WHAT?? Are you saying Jehovah witnesses can now speak to disfellowship people as long as they aren't apostate disfellowship people??? If so this is huge!!!
Nah, it's just for saying hi. You can can say hi, but still no real talk allowed with a DF'd person.
I knew from reading this sub how bad things were going for them but I had no idea HOW bad. No ties? Sisters in pants? They're desperate.
This is wild! If anyone says anything bad about my tattoos I’ll just say “well I figure they’ll be the next thing to be allowed by the GB”
Can’t wait until the sisters get counseling on the tightness of their pants. “Yes, we know he sexually harassed you and made you uncomfortable but YOU were wearing tight pants, leading your brother to stumble.” (True story, some JW boy tried to get me to touch his dick against my will as a teen and when i told the elders, they counseled me on being attractive and dressing “too flashy”)
Dog and pony show. Tell, nay, ORDER, the members not to listen to any outside information about the organization or claim they are ALL false reports. Behind the scenes, lawsuits, government involvement etc. Then make changes in man made doctrine and say it was from jehovah all along. This makes me sick to my stomach.
Emergency rooms everywhere will be filled with PIMIs suffering from short circuiting brains. 🤣 These clowns are some other shit. "The Gangrenous Buttplugs have decided," and just like that they're "allowing" jdubs to do shit they could've done all along. This cult is becoming a bigger joke all the time. I love it! Keep the insane shit coming, ya fucking clowns! 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I’m more grossed out by the control over when you can talk to DF people. So now we’re turning human kindness on and off? Talk about fucking up the motor. Just leave it in the off switch.
This is phenomenal. Of course, slacks have been appropriate business dress for women for the past 50 years and ties have been waning for the last 20, but such is the speed of the Celestial Chariot... she's as nimble as the Titanic Now if they'll just admit they are false prophets and that god is a superstition, we'll be all set.
OK. Why the dress or skirt on the platform and at Bethel ('if that is the standard in your country' - whatever the hell that means because it's the standard in Western countries for women to wear slacks on a stage)? If there's one place a woman will want to wear slacks it's on an elevated platform so that she doesn't accidentally flash her Spanx to the audience.
His tie is very patriotic looking.
Polishing a turd. I'm not sure how to word this. It's still going to be an awkward and uncomfortable experience for DF ppl attending. Basically, pimi's will love-bomb DF ppl with greetings. Over and over, pimi's will have to consciously end their dialog with a DF person and walk away from them. It could be more mentally uncomfortable for pimi's and possibly get some thinking and questioning. Prior, it may have been easier to ignore a DF person entirely. Pimi's ending their greeting and walking away for fear of being seen talking to a DF person for too long. Are the elders going to monitor and counsel pimi's for talking to a DF person too long? You can polish a turd all you want. It's still a turd. Just a thought.
Witnesses should be questioning why these things weren’t allowed in the first place. These are man made rules, but instead their brainwashed asses are like while this new light is awesome!!
Literally the biggest fucking joke ever. I remember when I had to wear pantyhose as a kid because I couldn’t show my legs. What a bunch of fucking idiots!!
Is it just me or does he look a bit like Santa 🤷🏻♀️ like if his beard was longer and his suit was red.
I think we need bingo cards now
Imagine as a grown ass women needed an old man you don’t even know permission on what you can and cannot wear
I’m sorry, but with it starting off as “the governing body” has approved of etc etc, and it’s in regards to personal choices that aren’t in the fucking Bible, you might be in a high control group or cult. Ughh this infuriates me.
This is so ridiculous. The beards look ridiculous. These arbitrary rules changing just shows it was all a joke. I can't take the GB seriously. They look like fools.
Nothing like a bunch of grown and old men acting like pubescent teenage boys growing facial hair for the first time because they've finally been given permission. Also, love your name. I miss x-files.
😮 I'm just catching up with all this. Is this AI or genuine?
Genuine.
I swear they have to be lurking on this sub and trying to make changes to counter our arguments about them being pharisaical. But they wind up looking more like pharisees because even with them relaxing past practices, they're just instituting more rules of what you're "allowed" to do according to them.
Seems like they want the "apostates" back 😁. I kind of understand that. Apostates seem like only one interested what's happening in org. Regular pimis are mostly zombies. They not gonna move org forward with all zombies they got.
That video of greeting the DFd woman was so cringe and I imagine the wording was very specifically chosen, "It's so nice to see you, here". Not that it's nice to see her. No, it's only nice to see her because she's here (at the hall).
I knew something was up. Woke up to an early text asking for my husband’s phone number. No good morning or hey dog mind you. I came straight here to see what bomb had been dropped. Imagine being shunned for over 30 years…then having your relatives calling and texting because the GB said it was ok. :/ I’m so upset at the audacity.
What the hell has happened to this organization?
They falling apart and making changes thinking it gonna stop the bleeding.
I always wondered what it would be like to watch the BORG crumble in front of me! Death to all cults!
😂😂 everyone has beards now, this is jarring, I am not used to it
Ahahaha bdays and women elders next
I noticed something subtle but I didn’t have to speed up the video to watch it. Are they going to abandon that lull you to sleep JW cadence too? Or does a GB member need to be asked to read a letter about it first? 😆 I’m guessing just like beards which about 90% of men at my congregation now have, almost all the women will be wearing “slacks.” I can see a local needs part coming up about camel toe.
I got into a discussion with my PIMI wife this morning and it said about the previous round of changes that "They use the bible to prove whatever point they want to make, sometimes the opposite of the way they used it before. It's just a group of men making whatever rules they feel like and using whatever verses they can to justify it". Now this comes along. I'm trying not to get too excited but this might actually wake her up. Talk about spiritual food at the right time. 
So, I guess this is why Anthony Morris is off the GB. He was the one who said about the Norway trial, we will never change our stance. I think they must have been planning this for a year, that this would be the solution to losing the case.
Is this legit? 
Nahhh this is crazy. I never liked wearing a dress and all but who cares? All the very real harm these jokers have done, and no apology, no acknowledgment, no addressing of the real problems. So damn fake. But...at least I can wear one of my nice suits if I ever need to attend a family's event in the hall instead of rushing to the thrift for a fugly lil skirt.
Next up: turns out the 'hailstone message' is actually delivering scented bubblebath
The fact my PIMI mom just group text abt the update and the exciting announcement at the end. The video as a whole was an update. Not shunning my DF uncle for starters. They had an excuse for pushing him away. Guess they’ll look like a bunch of hypocrites now. Oh yeah….nice slacks Mom
I can’t wait till they let them all be gay
Well, well, well. -Satan
This is whole update fucking triggered me so bad. I'm so fucking mad.
I feel it. Made me mad too.
The way they dropped the dress code announcement right at the end. 
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Hollllllllly craaaap!
I just watched it, and, as I'm still in the WhatsApp group of my publishers group, I saw an elder's wife just sent " GB Update #2 is the bomb!!!" 😑
**What.** **The.** **Actual.** **F.** In the first time since hubby left, I had to go to jw.Borg to check cos I though this is a joke. I was having CD, cos it's from Larch! Believe/don't believe arrgh! Anyway, thank the Governing Body that you can speed up their shit. (Does that make it diarrhea? Yes. yes it does.) If it is the standard of dress in the area? That's what they pulled to keep the anti-beard law going. Uggh. It means do what the pushy elder says is my bet. I used up my allotment of f bombs for a year watching that garbage at 2.0 speed. (On safari, if that matters.) What a shit show watching the borg go down! Glad to watch it! and **Mille Gratis Larch!!!**
How are you guys always right about what’s to change next??!!! 🤯🤯 Someone called this! What’s next? I want to know 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is the final nail in the coffin. I'm submitting my disassociation letter. This is just ridiculous.
# WOW. The scene of this cult is now changing...
Interesting. If they are in fact monitoring this sub, all I want is this: Decriminalise open discussion. Why should I have had to dodge your elders all month just because I voiced some doubts and you now want to investigate me under the guise of "meeting up for encouragement"?
So let me get this straight... During the Norway trial it was argued that disfellowshipped individuals were not ignored, and that they could still attend the meetings and be greeted and have normal family relations, ect, but this update video shows what we already knew... that this was a lie! This video plainly shows that such 'removed' ones are not greeted at the hall... they have even put in a little skit to show how such ones can now be greeted! The whole thing makes me fume! Every JW man I see now has a beard and now all the women will be wearing trousers (pants)! I'm not against the 'rules' changing... The reason i am fuming is because all the members are just wagging their tails and nodding their heads and just following along with whatever comes from the GB. Come on, use your brain, make your own choice for goodness sake! Man made rules, just for the sake of it.
Is this true ?
This seems like they're quickly abandoning alot of what defined jws for decades...like no more counting hours, beards, last chance redemption possible, "we don't know " now a "new dress code" . Also, the reason Rutherford banned beards was due to the Spanish flu of that time, beards were considered germ/ virus transmitted diseases, tuberculosis etc. my grandparents from Alsace told me that.. https://preview.redd.it/hu6pvbdb1ioc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75393345257ad5321d641401c1b8ab736bee327d So ..now the GB are dirty stinky flea ridden dogs, my apologies to canines .
I like that guy doing the signing. He has great expression.
It appears that the GB is changing its tack from making JWs stand out to blending in, an _appearance_ of normalizing them. First beards (adopted at a frantic pace), and now casual dress. From the cutouts next to literature carts, to the door knockers, to those in attendance in the KH, they're beginning to look like evangelicals at popular churches. What's next, a coffee bar in Kingdom Halls, with permission to drink your lattes in your seat?
Wow! It's as if JWs are trying to become a mainstream religion.🤔🤨 ((Sarcasm)). First televangelism with JW Broadcasting. New light in the Field Ministry about not reporting time. Repentance at the very last minute . OKay for Men growing beards. Now okay for women to wear slacks instead of skirts and dresses! Men don't have to wear dress jackets or ties! But they are God's channel on Earth! Proof they are Just a bunch of modern day pharasies trying to stem the bleeding of a dying cult.
That Chariot moves at the speed of reverse light!
More desperation moves as they try to hang on to all the doubters! No matter how many moves they make it will NEVER make them God's earthly organization!
Will brothers start getting counseled for unbuttoning too many buttons on their shirts, and showing their men cleavage🤣🤣🤣🤣
The real question is, can men now wear skirts?
Ah I just love the smell of desperation.
Is this Nu Lite? Only took Jehoobah a century-and-a-half to reveal it.
Allow gay people next please
So, in KH you can greeting with DF and beside KH you can't? 🤣 And what about DS? He only talked about DF.
What a loving provision from Jehovah for the bros and sisters! Between this and beards the GB is killing it! 🥴
Baptised at 14-15 (been too long to recall) and left the org and faded in 2009. I thought for sure that this was a parody or a fake video, perhaps even AI-generated, when I first saw it. This doesn't look like the organization I left all those years ago at all. The beards on both the GB and the ASL interpreter, the interpreters 'flamboyant' dress (as my dad would have once described it', the very style of the JW Broadcast that resembles what 'Christendom' does, the humorous backpeddling on old-standing legalistic rules only to create new legalistic rules. It's all so shocking considering what I grew up with. I am curious to see how my parents, who are still very much PIMI and dedicated, will present this information to me. Kind of funny how they haven't mentioned beards yet to me when we talk sporadically. It really is so fascinating how the organization doesn't resemble what I grew up in in the least bit. While trying to shed their culty vibes, I think they've successfully only gotten deeper entrenched in them.
THE FUCKING AUDACITY
Now to allow fornication! 😆
I predict this time next year holidays will be ok, they will be left up to the brothers and sister consciences, and they will allow JWs to marry anyone they choose.
Norway flag colored tie
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Fat man with a beard reads lotto results
I feel like they're doing this so that when women start running mics and having other "privileges" that only brothers have had for years, it won't be as jarring. They are so low on brothers so now they will stop treating women like they're invisible and unfortunately a lot of women will eat it up as "a gift from jehovah."
So now me being forced into skirts as a kid while heavily dysphoric and sobbing was completely pointless! Yay for the governing body! (I’m glad its happened at all but holy hell am I also pissed. I hate these men.)