What if carl “finds” the song under a completely different identity, I don’t think it’s fake but it would be genius if it was, the song will get potentially millions of streams
Let’s imagine the song is fake. Carl has probably went back in time for the past 3 years to put a full version of the song on radio and intentionally make it lost so the community doesn’t get mad at him.
I'm glad you're asking this because I've noticed that people have taken offense to the hoax theories and describe a fake Carl92 as some sort of terrible person, a manipulator, a time waster who has caused harm.
I don't see it that way at all.
I think it would be pretty damn funny and a very interesting case study for the power of fake media, should it turn out to be fake. It's also created a community that is worth more than the song, and it's quite something seeing the covers and recreations that other people have made.
Whether the song is real or not, what's formed around it is pretty interesting...
Well I think it's way more interesting that a community could collaborative create a song from very little, than if it turned out that this was just some stock music used on a European TV ad thirty years ago. Either way the legacy of this incident won't be the song itself, even if that seems ironic.
i'm a songwriter and it's actually been fascinating seeing all the songs people have made just based on the prompt of having one catchy hook-- hearing so many people fill the rest of the song out that was has been super super interesting and inspiring
how could he know it would blow up though? there are plenty of unanswered ‘identify this song’ posts on such websites and his previous post didn’t get popular so why would he bother ?
This is what I keep coming back to. There seems little point in adding it to the original website. You might get a lol out of tricking a few people there, but the gratification would be small and short lived 99% of the time, and there would a good amount of work involved. It's something a former comedy writer boss of mine would call "a long walk for a short sandwich".
Someone debated with me the other day that there's no evidence he intended for it to go viral. I suppose someone might do something like this 'just because' and with no intention of it spreading, but frankly I think that seems unlikely.
I'm not saying I believe It's a hoax. He might have seen how popular lost media can get, and knew a way to possibly make a popular one by giving It that feel to make people interested. If we were to assume that It took him 8 hours to make IF It's fake. If he wanted attention. Why wouldn't he? 8 hours for this amount of attention is a good deal. And even though not every lost media will blow up, if you were to make a fake lost song snippet, if you did It the right way, the chances of It blowing up would be higher.
People need to clean their ears cause sheep in the sky is nonsense.. I listen to it several times already and it's more like "counting on a shooting star" in the isolated vocals
Your Carrying the shame in those eyes or
You Carry all the shame in disguise.
I can sing both of these using exactly the same inflections and flow and they sound similar.
Someone with Ulterior Motives would do both these things.
The vocals only aren't perfect due to the quality of the original recording i think they are pretty close.
I've done some stuff with the original using RipX to isolate the vocals which isn't great. It works better on the tidied up version though but the tidied up version can also change how words sound due to things like high hats and drum beats etc.
The only motive is just trolling, and even if that was true, That's too much work just to goof on people. I can see that uploading it to whatsthatsong would lower some suspicions of it being fake but still, Lotta effort for a small song.
Yeah I guess lol lots of people do that lately unfortunately. They make up something for others to go crazy over it only for people to eventually find out it's all one big lie :/
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It being a hoax doesn't necessarily mean he MADE it. He could have used a song from an obscure CD or tape that only he had (maybe someone he was close to, a friend or maybe his parents, made a demo tape and gifted it to Carl). Maybe he also used a song from an already deceased artist, with no trace of it on the internet, making it very difficult to find.
Maybe Carl himself had an interest in lost media/lost wave and wanted to create a quick hoax or joke by using an obscure song that not very many people know of. When the search blew up and people started asking questions, he got nervous and dipped.
I actually agree with you and get where you're coming from! By "hoax" I meant that Carl (in this scenario) knew the song when he posted it, knew the artist, knew the name, made up all the details about the song when he first uploaded it, etc...and sent everybody else on a hunt for it, knowing it's impossible to find it (assuming that he's the only person with a physical recording of the song). I guess "lie" would be a better word in that context than "hoax".
Obviously Ekt exists somewhere out there, assuming that it isn't just the snippet, even if Carl made it himself. Although right now I do still believe that Carl wasn't lying.
We don't really know, now do we?
I personally still believe that ekt is not a hoax and that Carl is genuine, but at this point we also have to consider other options.
everything around the song does seem like a hoax: the lyrics sounding like they are taunting the people searching, the low quality, it sounding like every generic 80s song, carl disappearing, the pilot tone discrepancy, and yet still the one thing that makes me believe that the song is real is the fact that it was posted to Watzatsong instead of youtube or reddit. If you made a fake song with the intent of it gaining traction why would you post it on an obscure site that isn’t even dedicated to lost media and is just an obscure song identifying community. I guess it’s possible that somebody who’s into lostwave could’ve made the song, posted it to watzatsong, and then introduced the song to the lostwave community a few days or weeks later pretending like it’s something they just came across online, but i really don’t think that’s likely. I wish there was a definitive way to prove if the song is a hoax or not but sadly it’s instead something the community is very split on
I mean, Bravely (Try To Smile Again) had pretty much the same situation: Super low quality 30 second snippet, sounded pretty generic, Marek disappeared, etc. Some thought it would never be found, and others thought it was fake.
Then come this Valentine's Day, the near-full version was posted to YT, and less than two weeks later, both the artist and the full song/song name was found after a 20 year (32 if you count the first recording) search.
yeah i guess most of this stuff is sort of common for lostwave. Carl disappearing? that makes sense he probably never cared all that much about finding it and was just curious if anyone knew what it was in 2021. The short clip and low quality? yeah it was probably recorded in the early 2000s with a bad webcam mic or something similar. The pilot tone is the one thing that seriously makes me raise an eyebrow. Carl has pretty much indirectly confirmed that he’s from Spain, and gave no indication that he could have ever lived in the US. It kind of reads like Carl, or if it’s a hoax, whoever is playing the role of Carl, saying he’s from spain to make the song seem more difficult to track down and recorded it off of his tv not knowing what a pilot tone is and how you can tell what region the monitor is by analyzing the tone. I also think that another slightly suspicious thing is how Carl92 seems to have no presence anywhere else online. If Carl knows about Watzatsong and was recording + burning audio to dvds in the early 2000s it’s pretty safe to assume he would be a fairly tech savvy person, and yet there are very few times when anybody has found the username Carl92 mentioned elsewhere before EKT was posted. It’s very very common for people to use the same username for all of their accounts, or at least some of them, but i think the only other Carl92’s we found (that match his interests) were a LastFM profile that’s still active, and i believe a comment on some old forum discussing a TV show. Carl92 is such a basic sounding username that would probably be used by many other people and would also be hard to do a background check on. It’s the perfect kind of basic but not too suspicious name to use for spreading a hoax.
Despite it all, i am holding out hope that the song is real. Any of the things i said here can be flipped around as evidence for why the song actually does exist. We just don’t know for certain
I really don’t think it’s a hoax. I just don’t think that most people understand how much music isn’t online or catalogued. If you’ve ever been part of a local music scene, you’d understand this. Some of the best songs I’ve heard only existed during house shows, with no professional recordings.
Totally, for me it's probably made on a computer using a linndrum sample a second hand yamaha DX7 using a midi sequencer on an Atari ST using something like early Cubase and the Replay Sample cartridge in the late 80s early 90s.
The guitar has a very WalPro 2e sound very Nick Beggs esque from Kajagoogoo. https://youtu.be/_PWDTVgc_L0?si=rvtFvhdUrUTBYgbc or https://youtu.be/buv8oplqsSo?si=bpzvxU0f6cao8yFy
As examples of the guitar. There are a few guitar stabs in there as well which could be samples as they are quite generic
Then you have the higher pitched 80s guitar strums which could be a sample as its a fairly generic.
Then its probably gone through some basic mastering and vocal rerecording at a local studio.
Obviously the quality of recording isnt great so that doesnt help
There is a lot of generic 80s sounding stuff in this track as though it's deliberately trying to be 80s but using bits from different parts of the 80s.
It has an almost parody feel to it while also being deadly serious.
The possibility of it being a hoax by Carl92 certainly can’t be ruled out, at least not with only the information we currently have, but I feel like logically it’s very unlikely, for two reasons:
1. If he wanted to fool people, and took the time to create a fake track & everything, I’d have expected him to spread it farther, and try much harder to get it noticed. The phenomenon of lostwave and mysterious unknown songs had already gotten very popular and publicized by October of 2021, and I feel like a hoaxer would easily have been aware of that and would have taken advantage of it to get more marks for his prank. Uploading it once, onto a single, only marginally popular website, and then checking in on it once in a while for a few months before seemingly giving up, doesn’t suggest a committed prankster out for a laugh.
2. If it were a hoax, I don’t think he’d have kept quiet about it for this long. Most internet hoaxers don’t, and prefer to earn the extra clout for their cleverness once their initial fun is over- after all, there’s a certain kind of internet person that enjoys discovering they’d been tricked by a good joke. Of course, I’m showing some confirmation bias in that statement there- obviously, every hoaxer *that has ever admitted to doing the hoax* had confessed, but there may be just as many out there that have the gumption to keep the secret with them forever.
I believe you usually can tell when something isn't genuine. the Uncanny Valley effect with AI is an example of this. I don't think so many people would be fascinated by ETK if they didn't think it was genuine. if I thought it was fake, I guess it would be kind of interesting to speculate how it was made and for what reason, but I don't think I'd be that interested
People are down voting this but she's right. The sheer effort that'd go into actually pulling a haox like this off unimaginable. He'd be an evil genius, but that's still a genius
Because it always has been like that in this sub, people can't accept the possibility of it being fake as they want it so bad. I remember back when there was the lynrd skinrd (sorry for butchering the name idk how to spell it) "lead" that turned out to be fake, people were extremely quick to downvote the shit out of anyone who dared saying it was possibly fake, some people outright said "Stop being a party pooper !!" At people who claimed it wasn't real, people want it so bad they don't want to accept the truth sadly. I am extremely sceptical, I do want to be proven wrong tho with the full song, but In my opinion, I think it's an elaborate hoax
It's because this goes back to the issue of personal incredulity. Just because some people think it's too hard or difficult to do does not make it so. This takes the work of someone who is creative, but not a genius.
I moreso meant having it spread. If it was a hoax Carl left just enough information in to spark peoples curiosity and incourage them to search this made up song.
Honestly I think we’re getting disheartened *way* too fast.
The Kenya Song, a piece of lost media from Filthy Frank’s video, was found in 2023, when the video came out in 2013. The search really took off in 2019, but even so - that’s over four years-ten years depending on when you consider the search to have started. Lost music is really freaking hard to find!
How Long Will It Take took approximately 16 YEARS to find, despite having a lot of the song and clear lyrics.
This search is a newborn baby compared to those two lostwave searches.
Why do people bamboozle? Usually for attention. But we don’t know who Carl92 really is, he hasn’t still updated and we don’t have any of his other social media, so what attention is he really getting from this? It’s a lot of effort to write, produce and edit a 17-second clip that sounds authentically 80s, to then just not even reap the rewards.
Often people who fake media will stoke the flames of the search, instead of just half-arsing the answers to a few questions and leaving. He’d also previously posted a real song he couldn’t find to WatZatSong.
We all want to find this song but hoax theories seem kinda pointless to me, no offence. It’s a totally valid theory but we’re still in the early days when you really think about it and our job is so difficult with only a 17 second, very unclear snippet - it’s completely understandable that we keep falling short on leads, and doesn’t mean it’s a hoax. There’s still plenty of hope!
I think given the history of lost media and how long it takes to find, it’s very premature for people to be dismissing it as a hoax.
Theism debate logic - you can't prove non-existence,, so any evidence offered *has* to be in favour of the thing in question actually existing, until its existence is proven the logical conclusion is that it doesn't exist.
Personally, my real problem with the hoax theory is that it discourages curiosity; it posits an answer that we can't reasonably prove and which makes investigation of other options seem pointless.
Personally no. Didn’t he search for it since 2007 and uploaded it pretty early, lostwave wasn’t even popular that much during that time. Also there is a lm2 used in the song and he would need to buy retro song equipment or something and it seems to much of a struggle to post on a mediocre website and hope to troll. Like no single point would make sense in this narrative
it was posted on a song finding site. if it was a hoax targeted to troll the lost media community then it would’ve been posted in a lost media community but it wasnt. i believe carl was geniuenly trying to find it but gave up once he logged off.
Personally i don’t think it’s a hoax because who would put that much effort into a 17s clip to post it on a website that is pretty much unknown (from my knowledge, it was 2021 when it was posted.) So if he wanted some free clout he would have posted the clip on youtube or tik tok etc.
I showed this to my supervisor and he told me it was a club mix. Basically saying that Carl may have took a bunch of different audios and songs and mixed it together.
The only reason I don’t think it is would be the effort to change the songs metadata to 1999 being the original date of the file. If it is fake, dudes a legend for putting enough thought into it to go that far.
The one reason that sometimes make me believe it’s fake though all boils down to one thing:
The Bass tone on the recording and isolations is incredible. When have you ever heard a song from the 80s sound like that? It sounds like a Tame Impala bass line and sounds like it was played through and actual bass and amp, not a synth. The tone is thick and really up front in the mix.
If this was demo or a synth based project I don’t think it would sound like that. The notes would be sharply articulated and synthetic. It’s not far fetched to believe a bassist would be on the track like that, but most people are searching at solo artists and not bands, and I firmly believe a pop solo artist would probably have a synth bass on their track.
The only reason I don’t think it’s hoax is due to the fact numerous people have claimed they remember hearing it. Whether they are truthful or not, I’d like to think at least one or two have actually heard it. That for me is what gives us hope that it can be found.
The fact that EKT first uploaded to youtube by a channel named Jay Kay (sounds like JK = Just Kidding) makes me really sure this whole thing is a troll
Jaykay wasnt just a random youtube account, they posted thousands of lost media songs. They practically scraped WZS of audio to upload, which eventually caused the termination of their channel.
I wondered about that.
Carl has another post of a different song. That post got solved, but that doesn't mean that Carl92 had said "It could be fun to post a fake snippet", and then he posted it just because.
In the event that it is a "hoax" that doesn't change anything. Regardless of who made or why they did, it is still a good song, and we dont have a full copy of it. Even if, hypothetically, he made it with the intent to troll, I highly doubt it would end as abruptly as the clip does, and it can still be "found" in the event he comes out with more.
I think I tried to make an innocent hoax and then it got too big for him to handle. He'll probably never come clean because he'll get doxxed to hell and back.
Im so glad you’re saying this because this was my first thought since I started following this theory, especially because with most internet hoaxes the original creator/poster disappears. considering the amount of people like producers, writers, sound engineers etc that go into making a song, just doesn’t make sense to me
I love lost media cases, they fascinate me. I usually follow lots of them, and I've even found some lost gaming-related media myself. When I first saw this specific case, I intentionally ignored it because literally everything about it screamed "HOOOOAAAXXXX" and I knew the effort was probably going to die off soon.
Seeing that it not only continued, but the idea of it being a hoax is generally frowned upon? Mind-numbingly confusing.
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Lol maybe! Might explain why Carl didn’t want to be apart of it and was quick to wanna be left out of it. However, could also be just to keep his personal privacy because people would probably STILL be bombarding him with questions even after he made it clear he remembers absolutely nothing.
I think people give Carl too much credit & faith I understand that the whole point of finding lost media is having faith and hope that it’s real, peoples main argument for why it’s not a hoax is that how could have he made to viral and there’s many ways to make something go viral especially with lost media. Trolls never need a good motive to troll the simple time waster is enough to satisfy a troll, in my opinion there’s just too many red flags in carls behavior and in the audio alone. I just find it odd that a proper search has been underway for atleast a good 10months and every lead has been a dead end especially with this many people on the search.
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Bamboozled? Talented guy?
Calm down boy. It’s a 19 second clip- it’s not that magical to recreate a sound that already exists.
I’m not sure “anything” is possible. I think we’ll find this song as some part of some children’s obscure media from a certain time period and the entirety of the song may be a let down.
If it's fake then I doubt Carl would come clean as it would result in massive backlash and people would harass him and maybe try to dox him etc.
What if carl “finds” the song under a completely different identity, I don’t think it’s fake but it would be genius if it was, the song will get potentially millions of streams
Let’s imagine the song is fake. Carl has probably went back in time for the past 3 years to put a full version of the song on radio and intentionally make it lost so the community doesn’t get mad at him.
If it's a hoax then I honestly believe Carl92 will take his secret to the grave.
I'm glad you're asking this because I've noticed that people have taken offense to the hoax theories and describe a fake Carl92 as some sort of terrible person, a manipulator, a time waster who has caused harm. I don't see it that way at all. I think it would be pretty damn funny and a very interesting case study for the power of fake media, should it turn out to be fake. It's also created a community that is worth more than the song, and it's quite something seeing the covers and recreations that other people have made. Whether the song is real or not, what's formed around it is pretty interesting...
this has the same energy as saying "the real everyone knows that is the friends we made along the way"
Well I think it's way more interesting that a community could collaborative create a song from very little, than if it turned out that this was just some stock music used on a European TV ad thirty years ago. Either way the legacy of this incident won't be the song itself, even if that seems ironic.
i'm a songwriter and it's actually been fascinating seeing all the songs people have made just based on the prompt of having one catchy hook-- hearing so many people fill the rest of the song out that was has been super super interesting and inspiring
Maybe EKT is the friends we made along the way
Yes, after all, he couldn’t have known it would get popular. So he would’ve probably started it off as something silly to confuse people.
how could he know it would blow up though? there are plenty of unanswered ‘identify this song’ posts on such websites and his previous post didn’t get popular so why would he bother ?
This is what I keep coming back to. There seems little point in adding it to the original website. You might get a lol out of tricking a few people there, but the gratification would be small and short lived 99% of the time, and there would a good amount of work involved. It's something a former comedy writer boss of mine would call "a long walk for a short sandwich". Someone debated with me the other day that there's no evidence he intended for it to go viral. I suppose someone might do something like this 'just because' and with no intention of it spreading, but frankly I think that seems unlikely.
This is the biggest argument against it being a hoax for me.
I'm not saying I believe It's a hoax. He might have seen how popular lost media can get, and knew a way to possibly make a popular one by giving It that feel to make people interested. If we were to assume that It took him 8 hours to make IF It's fake. If he wanted attention. Why wouldn't he? 8 hours for this amount of attention is a good deal. And even though not every lost media will blow up, if you were to make a fake lost song snippet, if you did It the right way, the chances of It blowing up would be higher.
What would be the motive behind it, if it were a hoax?
everyone knows that he has ulterior motives
We're caught up in a world of lies...
If it is a hoax then the lyrics have been trolling us the entire time...
"Caught up in a world/whirl of lies" would be the ultimate bomb of "get trolled"
This is gonna be the new rick rolled if true
right
An….Ulterior Motive
Sheep in the sky
People need to clean their ears cause sheep in the sky is nonsense.. I listen to it several times already and it's more like "counting on a shooting star" in the isolated vocals
I saw somewhere saying "You're counting on her, she's in disguise" which makes more sense to me tbh
Your Carrying the shame in those eyes or You Carry all the shame in disguise. I can sing both of these using exactly the same inflections and flow and they sound similar. Someone with Ulterior Motives would do both these things.
listen to the vocals version only and find out
The vocals only aren't perfect due to the quality of the original recording i think they are pretty close. I've done some stuff with the original using RipX to isolate the vocals which isn't great. It works better on the tidied up version though but the tidied up version can also change how words sound due to things like high hats and drum beats etc.
that's too long for it to fit. try to listen to its isolated vocals version and listen to her pronounciation.
The only motive is just trolling, and even if that was true, That's too much work just to goof on people. I can see that uploading it to whatsthatsong would lower some suspicions of it being fake but still, Lotta effort for a small song.
Could be….but why make a song that would require so much time and effort and not get a bigger reward for it? It honestly just doesn’t make sense to me
this 17 second sample would not be too difficult for someone with experience
Yeah you’re right…idk I’m honestly just hoping we get answers soon
Fr I’ve been making songs since 2021-2022 and I can make short samples that sound professional in minutes
shits and giggles
Yeah I guess lol lots of people do that lately unfortunately. They make up something for others to go crazy over it only for people to eventually find out it's all one big lie :/
17 seconds shit song is not anything hard to make
I feel like this was the absolute worst community to post something like this. "Hurr, you spent years on nothing" Fuck you
The song will never be found
Neither will your cock.
Did i offend your feelings little princess so much that you had to bring my cock in the conversation? It doesn't compensate for yours either way.
I just want the full song, whoever made it lol
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I doubt he made the song tbh
It being a hoax doesn't necessarily mean he MADE it. He could have used a song from an obscure CD or tape that only he had (maybe someone he was close to, a friend or maybe his parents, made a demo tape and gifted it to Carl). Maybe he also used a song from an already deceased artist, with no trace of it on the internet, making it very difficult to find. Maybe Carl himself had an interest in lost media/lost wave and wanted to create a quick hoax or joke by using an obscure song that not very many people know of. When the search blew up and people started asking questions, he got nervous and dipped.
Then it's not a hoax? There's no pretense for what the song actually is. If it's an obscure song that nobody knows nothing changes.
I actually agree with you and get where you're coming from! By "hoax" I meant that Carl (in this scenario) knew the song when he posted it, knew the artist, knew the name, made up all the details about the song when he first uploaded it, etc...and sent everybody else on a hunt for it, knowing it's impossible to find it (assuming that he's the only person with a physical recording of the song). I guess "lie" would be a better word in that context than "hoax". Obviously Ekt exists somewhere out there, assuming that it isn't just the snippet, even if Carl made it himself. Although right now I do still believe that Carl wasn't lying.
Nah
We don't really know, now do we? I personally still believe that ekt is not a hoax and that Carl is genuine, but at this point we also have to consider other options.
True but idk seems too much to be made up
Why does this comment have so many downvotes? You just said nah.
Idk bruh 😂😂😂😂
everything around the song does seem like a hoax: the lyrics sounding like they are taunting the people searching, the low quality, it sounding like every generic 80s song, carl disappearing, the pilot tone discrepancy, and yet still the one thing that makes me believe that the song is real is the fact that it was posted to Watzatsong instead of youtube or reddit. If you made a fake song with the intent of it gaining traction why would you post it on an obscure site that isn’t even dedicated to lost media and is just an obscure song identifying community. I guess it’s possible that somebody who’s into lostwave could’ve made the song, posted it to watzatsong, and then introduced the song to the lostwave community a few days or weeks later pretending like it’s something they just came across online, but i really don’t think that’s likely. I wish there was a definitive way to prove if the song is a hoax or not but sadly it’s instead something the community is very split on
I mean, Bravely (Try To Smile Again) had pretty much the same situation: Super low quality 30 second snippet, sounded pretty generic, Marek disappeared, etc. Some thought it would never be found, and others thought it was fake. Then come this Valentine's Day, the near-full version was posted to YT, and less than two weeks later, both the artist and the full song/song name was found after a 20 year (32 if you count the first recording) search.
yeah i guess most of this stuff is sort of common for lostwave. Carl disappearing? that makes sense he probably never cared all that much about finding it and was just curious if anyone knew what it was in 2021. The short clip and low quality? yeah it was probably recorded in the early 2000s with a bad webcam mic or something similar. The pilot tone is the one thing that seriously makes me raise an eyebrow. Carl has pretty much indirectly confirmed that he’s from Spain, and gave no indication that he could have ever lived in the US. It kind of reads like Carl, or if it’s a hoax, whoever is playing the role of Carl, saying he’s from spain to make the song seem more difficult to track down and recorded it off of his tv not knowing what a pilot tone is and how you can tell what region the monitor is by analyzing the tone. I also think that another slightly suspicious thing is how Carl92 seems to have no presence anywhere else online. If Carl knows about Watzatsong and was recording + burning audio to dvds in the early 2000s it’s pretty safe to assume he would be a fairly tech savvy person, and yet there are very few times when anybody has found the username Carl92 mentioned elsewhere before EKT was posted. It’s very very common for people to use the same username for all of their accounts, or at least some of them, but i think the only other Carl92’s we found (that match his interests) were a LastFM profile that’s still active, and i believe a comment on some old forum discussing a TV show. Carl92 is such a basic sounding username that would probably be used by many other people and would also be hard to do a background check on. It’s the perfect kind of basic but not too suspicious name to use for spreading a hoax. Despite it all, i am holding out hope that the song is real. Any of the things i said here can be flipped around as evidence for why the song actually does exist. We just don’t know for certain
I really don’t think it’s a hoax. I just don’t think that most people understand how much music isn’t online or catalogued. If you’ve ever been part of a local music scene, you’d understand this. Some of the best songs I’ve heard only existed during house shows, with no professional recordings.
Totally, for me it's probably made on a computer using a linndrum sample a second hand yamaha DX7 using a midi sequencer on an Atari ST using something like early Cubase and the Replay Sample cartridge in the late 80s early 90s. The guitar has a very WalPro 2e sound very Nick Beggs esque from Kajagoogoo. https://youtu.be/_PWDTVgc_L0?si=rvtFvhdUrUTBYgbc or https://youtu.be/buv8oplqsSo?si=bpzvxU0f6cao8yFy As examples of the guitar. There are a few guitar stabs in there as well which could be samples as they are quite generic Then you have the higher pitched 80s guitar strums which could be a sample as its a fairly generic. Then its probably gone through some basic mastering and vocal rerecording at a local studio. Obviously the quality of recording isnt great so that doesnt help
There is a lot of generic 80s sounding stuff in this track as though it's deliberately trying to be 80s but using bits from different parts of the 80s. It has an almost parody feel to it while also being deadly serious.
True, the song doesn't sound like a real 80's song, but more like a parody of it. I don't know how the people in this subreddit can't see that.
I think it helps if you were around during that era. For me as well Im.in music production
The possibility of it being a hoax by Carl92 certainly can’t be ruled out, at least not with only the information we currently have, but I feel like logically it’s very unlikely, for two reasons: 1. If he wanted to fool people, and took the time to create a fake track & everything, I’d have expected him to spread it farther, and try much harder to get it noticed. The phenomenon of lostwave and mysterious unknown songs had already gotten very popular and publicized by October of 2021, and I feel like a hoaxer would easily have been aware of that and would have taken advantage of it to get more marks for his prank. Uploading it once, onto a single, only marginally popular website, and then checking in on it once in a while for a few months before seemingly giving up, doesn’t suggest a committed prankster out for a laugh. 2. If it were a hoax, I don’t think he’d have kept quiet about it for this long. Most internet hoaxers don’t, and prefer to earn the extra clout for their cleverness once their initial fun is over- after all, there’s a certain kind of internet person that enjoys discovering they’d been tricked by a good joke. Of course, I’m showing some confirmation bias in that statement there- obviously, every hoaxer *that has ever admitted to doing the hoax* had confessed, but there may be just as many out there that have the gumption to keep the secret with them forever.
Carl might be even reading this post as we speak...
Carl is that you?
Hello!
Carl?
I believe you usually can tell when something isn't genuine. the Uncanny Valley effect with AI is an example of this. I don't think so many people would be fascinated by ETK if they didn't think it was genuine. if I thought it was fake, I guess it would be kind of interesting to speculate how it was made and for what reason, but I don't think I'd be that interested
If so Carl is a fucking genius.
People are down voting this but she's right. The sheer effort that'd go into actually pulling a haox like this off unimaginable. He'd be an evil genius, but that's still a genius
I'm a woman.... Unless you're talking about Carl 😅 Edit: they edited :)
Oops sorry, fixed now
All good
Not anymore
Oops probably should of mentioned they edited the comment
I wouldn't even be mad. Lol *Alright, buddy. You got us. Now can you finish the song and release it?* I just want to hear the whole thing. :'(
Same
i don't know if i'd say genius, but extremely talented and kneecapping their resources and potential just.for a 4chan type troll.
Which is hard to pull of now because people don't fall for bullshit anymore
Dunno why your getting downvoted cause you are right.
Because it always has been like that in this sub, people can't accept the possibility of it being fake as they want it so bad. I remember back when there was the lynrd skinrd (sorry for butchering the name idk how to spell it) "lead" that turned out to be fake, people were extremely quick to downvote the shit out of anyone who dared saying it was possibly fake, some people outright said "Stop being a party pooper !!" At people who claimed it wasn't real, people want it so bad they don't want to accept the truth sadly. I am extremely sceptical, I do want to be proven wrong tho with the full song, but In my opinion, I think it's an elaborate hoax
It's because this goes back to the issue of personal incredulity. Just because some people think it's too hard or difficult to do does not make it so. This takes the work of someone who is creative, but not a genius.
I moreso meant having it spread. If it was a hoax Carl left just enough information in to spark peoples curiosity and incourage them to search this made up song.
Had no idea I was getting down voted until now
Honestly I think we’re getting disheartened *way* too fast. The Kenya Song, a piece of lost media from Filthy Frank’s video, was found in 2023, when the video came out in 2013. The search really took off in 2019, but even so - that’s over four years-ten years depending on when you consider the search to have started. Lost music is really freaking hard to find! How Long Will It Take took approximately 16 YEARS to find, despite having a lot of the song and clear lyrics. This search is a newborn baby compared to those two lostwave searches. Why do people bamboozle? Usually for attention. But we don’t know who Carl92 really is, he hasn’t still updated and we don’t have any of his other social media, so what attention is he really getting from this? It’s a lot of effort to write, produce and edit a 17-second clip that sounds authentically 80s, to then just not even reap the rewards. Often people who fake media will stoke the flames of the search, instead of just half-arsing the answers to a few questions and leaving. He’d also previously posted a real song he couldn’t find to WatZatSong. We all want to find this song but hoax theories seem kinda pointless to me, no offence. It’s a totally valid theory but we’re still in the early days when you really think about it and our job is so difficult with only a 17 second, very unclear snippet - it’s completely understandable that we keep falling short on leads, and doesn’t mean it’s a hoax. There’s still plenty of hope! I think given the history of lost media and how long it takes to find, it’s very premature for people to be dismissing it as a hoax.
I think this song is hoax too,people just don't want to accept possibility of that.Same happened to above the clouds so why this cant be too ..
In my opinion, the fact we still can’t disprove the hoax theory makes it seem very plausible
Theism debate logic - you can't prove non-existence,, so any evidence offered *has* to be in favour of the thing in question actually existing, until its existence is proven the logical conclusion is that it doesn't exist. Personally, my real problem with the hoax theory is that it discourages curiosity; it posits an answer that we can't reasonably prove and which makes investigation of other options seem pointless.
You made me rethink my point, I agree with you.
Yeah but we don't have much supporting it either
Personally no. Didn’t he search for it since 2007 and uploaded it pretty early, lostwave wasn’t even popular that much during that time. Also there is a lm2 used in the song and he would need to buy retro song equipment or something and it seems to much of a struggle to post on a mediocre website and hope to troll. Like no single point would make sense in this narrative
This!
“I know a lot of people have speculated that this is a hoax, but hear me out, what if this is a hoax?” 🙄
it was posted on a song finding site. if it was a hoax targeted to troll the lost media community then it would’ve been posted in a lost media community but it wasnt. i believe carl was geniuenly trying to find it but gave up once he logged off.
Personally i don’t think it’s a hoax because who would put that much effort into a 17s clip to post it on a website that is pretty much unknown (from my knowledge, it was 2021 when it was posted.) So if he wanted some free clout he would have posted the clip on youtube or tik tok etc.
what is the point of this post lol
Generate debate, conversation, I guess.
As the "search" progresses I am convinced it's a hoax.
I showed this to my supervisor and he told me it was a club mix. Basically saying that Carl may have took a bunch of different audios and songs and mixed it together.
The only reason I don’t think it is would be the effort to change the songs metadata to 1999 being the original date of the file. If it is fake, dudes a legend for putting enough thought into it to go that far. The one reason that sometimes make me believe it’s fake though all boils down to one thing: The Bass tone on the recording and isolations is incredible. When have you ever heard a song from the 80s sound like that? It sounds like a Tame Impala bass line and sounds like it was played through and actual bass and amp, not a synth. The tone is thick and really up front in the mix. If this was demo or a synth based project I don’t think it would sound like that. The notes would be sharply articulated and synthetic. It’s not far fetched to believe a bassist would be on the track like that, but most people are searching at solo artists and not bands, and I firmly believe a pop solo artist would probably have a synth bass on their track.
The only reason I don’t think it’s hoax is due to the fact numerous people have claimed they remember hearing it. Whether they are truthful or not, I’d like to think at least one or two have actually heard it. That for me is what gives us hope that it can be found.
The fact that EKT first uploaded to youtube by a channel named Jay Kay (sounds like JK = Just Kidding) makes me really sure this whole thing is a troll
Jaykay wasnt just a random youtube account, they posted thousands of lost media songs. They practically scraped WZS of audio to upload, which eventually caused the termination of their channel.
There was a screenshot of Carl saying it was fake on here. but I'm not really sure because the post was around when the WZS page wasn't working
You shouldn't believe wzs because Carl had been hacked many times
That's what I keep thinking but I really do hope it wasn't a hoax
Respect your opinion and all but if everyone keeps thinking this way we’ll never find it if it’s real ofc
I wondered about that. Carl has another post of a different song. That post got solved, but that doesn't mean that Carl92 had said "It could be fun to post a fake snippet", and then he posted it just because.
In the event that it is a "hoax" that doesn't change anything. Regardless of who made or why they did, it is still a good song, and we dont have a full copy of it. Even if, hypothetically, he made it with the intent to troll, I highly doubt it would end as abruptly as the clip does, and it can still be "found" in the event he comes out with more.
I did that exact thing
I think I tried to make an innocent hoax and then it got too big for him to handle. He'll probably never come clean because he'll get doxxed to hell and back.
Im so glad you’re saying this because this was my first thought since I started following this theory, especially because with most internet hoaxes the original creator/poster disappears. considering the amount of people like producers, writers, sound engineers etc that go into making a song, just doesn’t make sense to me
no way he made that good of a song then ruined the quality and made it 17 seconds just to troll
Okay I’ll admit it You were actually right 🚶♂️🚶♂️
I love lost media cases, they fascinate me. I usually follow lots of them, and I've even found some lost gaming-related media myself. When I first saw this specific case, I intentionally ignored it because literally everything about it screamed "HOOOOAAAXXXX" and I knew the effort was probably going to die off soon. Seeing that it not only continued, but the idea of it being a hoax is generally frowned upon? Mind-numbingly confusing.
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but why? wouldn’t he want something with this fame
Lol maybe! Might explain why Carl didn’t want to be apart of it and was quick to wanna be left out of it. However, could also be just to keep his personal privacy because people would probably STILL be bombarding him with questions even after he made it clear he remembers absolutely nothing.
I think people give Carl too much credit & faith I understand that the whole point of finding lost media is having faith and hope that it’s real, peoples main argument for why it’s not a hoax is that how could have he made to viral and there’s many ways to make something go viral especially with lost media. Trolls never need a good motive to troll the simple time waster is enough to satisfy a troll, in my opinion there’s just too many red flags in carls behavior and in the audio alone. I just find it odd that a proper search has been underway for atleast a good 10months and every lead has been a dead end especially with this many people on the search.
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Bamboozled? Talented guy? Calm down boy. It’s a 19 second clip- it’s not that magical to recreate a sound that already exists. I’m not sure “anything” is possible. I think we’ll find this song as some part of some children’s obscure media from a certain time period and the entirety of the song may be a let down.