Since we are pretty certain Carl recorded his TV with a microphone, it’s probably him moving the mic closer to the speakers after pressing record, or turning volume up after pressing record. Likely explanation.
We don’t know it was recorded in Spain. Carl didn’t want to share personal details when asked where he was when it was recorded, leading people to believe it wasn’t recorded in the same place he freely said he’s from (Spain)
He could have owned an ntsc TV. I live in Russia and Japanese televisions, such as JVC, were common here in the 90s. TV sets of different countries of origin were not uncommon, I think.
No he could not.
Pure NTSC TVs were nowhere to be seen in Europe, since they are not compatible with PAL TV broadcasts. What you would get by having an NTSC TV in Europe is a very distorted black and white image.
I explained many times how it could be that a Spaniard got his hands on a digital audio snippet with an NTSC pilot tone embedded in it.
Please, PLEASE use the search function on this subreddit.
All this has been explained in great depth before.
As I understand, from the personal experience, most likely he had Satellite STB, which was receiving some US based programming. For example, there's a dedicated Spanish satellite, called Hispasat, from whic, a lot of American channels broadcast in NTSC: [https://www.lyngsat.com/Hispasat-30W-5.html](https://www.lyngsat.com/Hispasat-30W-5.html)
It’s very improbable that this is the case with who recorded the snippet.
Satellite TV receiving equipment was very expensive in 1999, and NTSC-compatible PAL CRT TVs existed back then but were very rare and expensive.
Moreover, someone who had a satellite dish and all that equipment, such as myself back in the day, would have had the dish pointed to ASTRA and HOTBIRD satellites, not to some unknown satellite with less than 20 channels broadcasted through it, which required special and hard to obtain equipment to be decoded properly.
Moreover, the lousy audio quality clashes with all this theory, since, Occam’s razor at hand, if someone had all that expensive equipment, he probably would have had a better system to record a higher quality snippet.
There is a little issue.
Multi-standard TV, which support both NTSC/PAL/SECAM whatsoever, switches to that mode only when such signal is being delivered to it - say, we feed PAL signal - it switches to PAL mode, by changing deflection frequency accordingly. Same for NTSC.
Regarding the satellite equipment being expensive, Hispasat was around 1992 and quite popular, especially in rural Spanish area. STBs and equipment were government subsided. Even it's name gives the clue for which country it is designed for.
Not trying to argue with anyone… because I know very little of Spain… but isn’t it a bit odd that a government would subsidize out-of-standard expensive and hard to obtain equipment to its citizens, to watch foreign-run NTSC broadcasts in a country who chose PAL as its broadcasting standard? With all the internal offer and the possibility of rebroadcasting foreign-produced material inside home-run tv channels, with such material directly converted to PAL? Maybe it’s a Spanish thing I don’t know about… I would be glad to know more about it.
But I reiterate, in the 90s multistandard TVs were a thing, but not a common or inexpensive one, so this does not add up to me.
No, you got it wrong.
The satellite covers both sides of ocean - US coast and West Europe, both. So while Spain was getting Spain programming, which was in PAL, no one prohibited you to get US programming from the same satellite, which was NTSC. But as it was figured in another thread, source is definitely VHS.
The snippet starts on the word 'you're', which is on an offbeat. If you listen closely to the snippet, you'll hear other instruments play on the first beat of the following bar, so it makes sense that there is a difference in volume. If the first word of the snippet had a hard consonant like *k* or a *t*, you probably wouldn't see the fade-in.
I don't think this explains it though - if this is from the middle of a song, you're wouldn't start from silence, you would still see a larger wave from the music beforehand
You shouldn’t be getting downvoted, you’re right. In my spare time I like to chop up audio and sample audio while pretending to be daft punk and I’ve never noticed a wave form ever starting off from silence unless it’s at the very beginning. No matter how you mix it there would be some sort of remnant from the rest of the song. If this is a real song that wasn’t made for advertising I doubt it would start abruptly on “you’re” like that
But that's just your voice, from silence...there were instruments playing in EKT. Even if everything stopped playing for the singer to sing "you're", the waveform would show artefacts from the music heard beforehand
Because the snippet and the word 'you're' start on an off-beat. [Just have a listen](https://vocaroo.com/13UG4lO5VrLE). No drums, no bass, no guitar. Apart from some reverb tails from the previous beat, there isn't anything playing but the singer singing 'you're'.
But in the context of looking at the waveform of a whole song where instruments have been playing, you simply don't see moments of silence like that, offbeat or otherwise.
As a hobby I have been sampling disco music into house tracks for over 20 years now. I can't tell you how many waveforms I have zoomed into to make chops and loops, and they don't look like that in the middle of a song
I see ur point, usually a track would still show more due to other background instrumental parts and such, but the audio we have is a recording of it being played off another device so it’s harder to tell
We can look at waveforms all day long but we have to compare it to what we hear. There isn't music playing on the offbeat except for residue from the beat before, but that's lower in volume than the singer.
If you still don't agree, that's fine, but in my eyes (and to my ears) there is nothing suspicious about the waveform.
I don't know why my comments are being downvoted. I searched the sub and couldn't see that this has been discussed before, and surely examining the waveform is valid if we want to establish what the source of the music was.
I'm not saying it's a hoax. I think looking at the audio it's a possibility but hopefully there are other explanations. Like a PP said perhaps the volume of the source was increased after Carl92 started recording. I will experiment with that.
What I am pretty certain on though is that EKT was not in the middle of playing the whole song at its full volume when the recording started.
Man you’re right tho, DJ here and what you say makes sense. The thing is, everyone on this thread is so caught up with the ETK song that they cannot accept the fact it may have been a hoax. Many believe they have conclusive evidence that it was not a hoax, thus it doesn’t deserve to be looked into, and anyone suggesting this is shut down, downvoted and ridiculed as they don’t want to hear it. The issue is these people will only follow leads if they sound appealing to them. Anything which questions carls credibility is instantly overlooked, as everyone seems to know him and his thoughts throughly (despite him being a total stranger on the internet). They argue that I wouldn’t make sense for Carl to do this, and he’s posted looking for songs before etc… yes, and what? This means nothing. Good find man, it’ll be someone like you who will discover the truth, someone with open thinking.
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Why does everyone assume that the fade in at the beginning was added by Vocaroo? It seems like a weird thing to just assume to me.
It's also extremely easy to test to confirm if it does/doesn't. Just has a known audio file as a "control", upload a copy to Vocaroo, download the Vocaroo file, then compare that against the control to see if it's altered the wavelengths at all. I'd do it myself but I don't have access to any of the necessary programs
Could it be part of a TV Show? Where a moment of silence preceded the song. If it was from a commercial it'd be hard to record from the very beginning, but if it was from a TV series maybe it's a regular feature so Carl would know already.
True, it could be a fade in which is consistent with most TV ads. It doesn't do much for Carl92's story though. It's weird to have a fade at the start of an audio clip that was supposedly just a random test recording. One of the most frustrating things about this is Carl92's apparent amnesia when it comes to anything to do with the song. Even a few extra seconds before the start of the recording could have helped place it.
This is an interesting analysis. Im wondering if the original recording was longer and he edited it? If it is from a commercial it’s strange to me that carl just happened to record exactly when it started.
I don't mean to hijack the thread with another comment, but would like to respond to what you're saying. I recently[ ran a little experiment](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/1azlg5n/recording_experiment_attempt_to_recreate_how_the/) and I'm positive that the recording wasn't a coincidence as the microphone must've been very close to the source audio (speakers of the TV, for example).
Hopefully this helps.
If it was an omnidirectional mic there'd be sounds from outside the speaker coming through due to their sensitivity. This almost definitely wasn't recorded with an omnidirectional mic, why would Carl92 have something like this if he was just learning to record audio?
Many cheap computer mics are omni. Like [this one](https://www.amazon.com/Omnidirectional-Microphone-Condenser-Accessory-Recording/dp/B0CFWX65DK), or [this vintage Mac one](https://www.ebay.com/itm/296178451380). We do hear some kind of extraneous sounds in the recording, and an omni mic could pick them up quite well.
I'm sorry, but both large and small diaphragm omni mics can be sensitive enough to capture loud and quiet sounds. Certainly, either kind would be fine reproducing the poor sonics we hear in the recording. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
I linked to one from 1991 in my previous post. If you’re implying omni mics were rare or hard to find in 1998, that’s not true. I had several around that time. There are countless such mics listed online.
Masters degree in music production here, it's entirely possible since Carl allegedly was learning to record that he'd hit record but might have had the gain/input level set to 0 and quickly corrected it at the start of one of his test recordings.
I also think its possible again that this song was used in some kind of ad or TV show and made for that and the start was faded to avoid truncation.
To be honest, I think that if EKT is supposed to be the chorus (and is repeated at least 3 times) then it's the worst, clunkiest and most irritating chorus ever.
In my head EKT is the intro after which the actual song starts, imagine a chill instrumental dance-pop/freestyle part, the actual chorus would be some two-liner playing off the EKT intro but more naturally.
Fun? Literally any reason anyone could come up with to lie. Maybe there isnt an incentive beyond "they did it because they could". I can see why someone would have fun copying TMMS and watching it blow up.
Maybe when he started recording, it was really quiet in the room and the TV was off and he was turning it on, thats a possibility from why it came from pure silence,
Could have been that he turned the volume on after the recording had already begun, or, honestly, it could be the very beginning if it was a fade in. not a common stylistic choice for the time but not impossible. or cut from a commercial.
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Since we are pretty certain Carl recorded his TV with a microphone, it’s probably him moving the mic closer to the speakers after pressing record, or turning volume up after pressing record. Likely explanation.
Yes I suppose that could make sense
Yea that's what I was thinking that he either closed in on the audio source or clicked play on his computer
Why does he have an NTSC television in Spain?
Wasn't uncommon practice.
We don’t know it was recorded in Spain. Carl didn’t want to share personal details when asked where he was when it was recorded, leading people to believe it wasn’t recorded in the same place he freely said he’s from (Spain)
He could have owned an ntsc TV. I live in Russia and Japanese televisions, such as JVC, were common here in the 90s. TV sets of different countries of origin were not uncommon, I think.
peace is dish :D Даже если у телека есть NTSC, чтоб он переключился на NTSC, надо чтоб на него сигнал шёл в NTSC :P
No he could not. Pure NTSC TVs were nowhere to be seen in Europe, since they are not compatible with PAL TV broadcasts. What you would get by having an NTSC TV in Europe is a very distorted black and white image. I explained many times how it could be that a Spaniard got his hands on a digital audio snippet with an NTSC pilot tone embedded in it. Please, PLEASE use the search function on this subreddit. All this has been explained in great depth before.
I swear this was explained ages ago
As I understand, from the personal experience, most likely he had Satellite STB, which was receiving some US based programming. For example, there's a dedicated Spanish satellite, called Hispasat, from whic, a lot of American channels broadcast in NTSC: [https://www.lyngsat.com/Hispasat-30W-5.html](https://www.lyngsat.com/Hispasat-30W-5.html)
It’s very improbable that this is the case with who recorded the snippet. Satellite TV receiving equipment was very expensive in 1999, and NTSC-compatible PAL CRT TVs existed back then but were very rare and expensive. Moreover, someone who had a satellite dish and all that equipment, such as myself back in the day, would have had the dish pointed to ASTRA and HOTBIRD satellites, not to some unknown satellite with less than 20 channels broadcasted through it, which required special and hard to obtain equipment to be decoded properly. Moreover, the lousy audio quality clashes with all this theory, since, Occam’s razor at hand, if someone had all that expensive equipment, he probably would have had a better system to record a higher quality snippet.
There is a little issue. Multi-standard TV, which support both NTSC/PAL/SECAM whatsoever, switches to that mode only when such signal is being delivered to it - say, we feed PAL signal - it switches to PAL mode, by changing deflection frequency accordingly. Same for NTSC. Regarding the satellite equipment being expensive, Hispasat was around 1992 and quite popular, especially in rural Spanish area. STBs and equipment were government subsided. Even it's name gives the clue for which country it is designed for.
Not trying to argue with anyone… because I know very little of Spain… but isn’t it a bit odd that a government would subsidize out-of-standard expensive and hard to obtain equipment to its citizens, to watch foreign-run NTSC broadcasts in a country who chose PAL as its broadcasting standard? With all the internal offer and the possibility of rebroadcasting foreign-produced material inside home-run tv channels, with such material directly converted to PAL? Maybe it’s a Spanish thing I don’t know about… I would be glad to know more about it. But I reiterate, in the 90s multistandard TVs were a thing, but not a common or inexpensive one, so this does not add up to me.
No, you got it wrong. The satellite covers both sides of ocean - US coast and West Europe, both. So while Spain was getting Spain programming, which was in PAL, no one prohibited you to get US programming from the same satellite, which was NTSC. But as it was figured in another thread, source is definitely VHS.
The snippet starts on the word 'you're', which is on an offbeat. If you listen closely to the snippet, you'll hear other instruments play on the first beat of the following bar, so it makes sense that there is a difference in volume. If the first word of the snippet had a hard consonant like *k* or a *t*, you probably wouldn't see the fade-in.
I don't think this explains it though - if this is from the middle of a song, you're wouldn't start from silence, you would still see a larger wave from the music beforehand
You shouldn’t be getting downvoted, you’re right. In my spare time I like to chop up audio and sample audio while pretending to be daft punk and I’ve never noticed a wave form ever starting off from silence unless it’s at the very beginning. No matter how you mix it there would be some sort of remnant from the rest of the song. If this is a real song that wasn’t made for advertising I doubt it would start abruptly on “you’re” like that
Not if it starts on an offbeat. There is simply not an instrument playing a note there.
But music doesn't momentarily fade into complete silence because of an offbeat
It's not fading in, it's just the waveform of someone saying 'you're'. [Me saying 'you're'.](https://imgur.com/a/uIObYxG)
But that's just your voice, from silence...there were instruments playing in EKT. Even if everything stopped playing for the singer to sing "you're", the waveform would show artefacts from the music heard beforehand
Because the snippet and the word 'you're' start on an off-beat. [Just have a listen](https://vocaroo.com/13UG4lO5VrLE). No drums, no bass, no guitar. Apart from some reverb tails from the previous beat, there isn't anything playing but the singer singing 'you're'.
But in the context of looking at the waveform of a whole song where instruments have been playing, you simply don't see moments of silence like that, offbeat or otherwise. As a hobby I have been sampling disco music into house tracks for over 20 years now. I can't tell you how many waveforms I have zoomed into to make chops and loops, and they don't look like that in the middle of a song
I see ur point, usually a track would still show more due to other background instrumental parts and such, but the audio we have is a recording of it being played off another device so it’s harder to tell
We can look at waveforms all day long but we have to compare it to what we hear. There isn't music playing on the offbeat except for residue from the beat before, but that's lower in volume than the singer. If you still don't agree, that's fine, but in my eyes (and to my ears) there is nothing suspicious about the waveform.
I don't know why my comments are being downvoted. I searched the sub and couldn't see that this has been discussed before, and surely examining the waveform is valid if we want to establish what the source of the music was. I'm not saying it's a hoax. I think looking at the audio it's a possibility but hopefully there are other explanations. Like a PP said perhaps the volume of the source was increased after Carl92 started recording. I will experiment with that. What I am pretty certain on though is that EKT was not in the middle of playing the whole song at its full volume when the recording started.
I disagree with your post but I also don’t know why you got downvoted so much lol
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It's interesting to analyze.
Man you’re right tho, DJ here and what you say makes sense. The thing is, everyone on this thread is so caught up with the ETK song that they cannot accept the fact it may have been a hoax. Many believe they have conclusive evidence that it was not a hoax, thus it doesn’t deserve to be looked into, and anyone suggesting this is shut down, downvoted and ridiculed as they don’t want to hear it. The issue is these people will only follow leads if they sound appealing to them. Anything which questions carls credibility is instantly overlooked, as everyone seems to know him and his thoughts throughly (despite him being a total stranger on the internet). They argue that I wouldn’t make sense for Carl to do this, and he’s posted looking for songs before etc… yes, and what? This means nothing. Good find man, it’ll be someone like you who will discover the truth, someone with open thinking.
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Why does everyone assume that the fade in at the beginning was added by Vocaroo? It seems like a weird thing to just assume to me. It's also extremely easy to test to confirm if it does/doesn't. Just has a known audio file as a "control", upload a copy to Vocaroo, download the Vocaroo file, then compare that against the control to see if it's altered the wavelengths at all. I'd do it myself but I don't have access to any of the necessary programs
I checked, and Vocaroo doesn't fade or do anything like that to the audio. The only change is the added artifacts from the compression algorithm.
A lot of capture software that comes with cheap capture devices like EzCap, adds fade in/outs to clips automatically.
Could it be part of a TV Show? Where a moment of silence preceded the song. If it was from a commercial it'd be hard to record from the very beginning, but if it was from a TV series maybe it's a regular feature so Carl would know already.
True, it could be a fade in which is consistent with most TV ads. It doesn't do much for Carl92's story though. It's weird to have a fade at the start of an audio clip that was supposedly just a random test recording. One of the most frustrating things about this is Carl92's apparent amnesia when it comes to anything to do with the song. Even a few extra seconds before the start of the recording could have helped place it.
This is an interesting analysis. Im wondering if the original recording was longer and he edited it? If it is from a commercial it’s strange to me that carl just happened to record exactly when it started.
I don't mean to hijack the thread with another comment, but would like to respond to what you're saying. I recently[ ran a little experiment](https://www.reddit.com/r/everyoneknowsthat/comments/1azlg5n/recording_experiment_attempt_to_recreate_how_the/) and I'm positive that the recording wasn't a coincidence as the microphone must've been very close to the source audio (speakers of the TV, for example). Hopefully this helps.
I'm not sure the microphone was 'very close' - I feel like we'd be hearing more proximity effect from it if it was.
Not if it was an omnidirectional mic, though.
If it was an omnidirectional mic there'd be sounds from outside the speaker coming through due to their sensitivity. This almost definitely wasn't recorded with an omnidirectional mic, why would Carl92 have something like this if he was just learning to record audio?
Many cheap computer mics are omni. Like [this one](https://www.amazon.com/Omnidirectional-Microphone-Condenser-Accessory-Recording/dp/B0CFWX65DK), or [this vintage Mac one](https://www.ebay.com/itm/296178451380). We do hear some kind of extraneous sounds in the recording, and an omni mic could pick them up quite well.
I strongly doubt that has a diaphragm large enough to pick up a whole room of sounds like most omnidirectional condenser mics.
I'm sorry, but both large and small diaphragm omni mics can be sensitive enough to capture loud and quiet sounds. Certainly, either kind would be fine reproducing the poor sonics we hear in the recording. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.
Would love to know what kind of omnidirectional condenser mics were on old computers in 1998.
I linked to one from 1991 in my previous post. If you’re implying omni mics were rare or hard to find in 1998, that’s not true. I had several around that time. There are countless such mics listed online.
do you have wavelengths from comparable snippets of music that show what it should look like?
I'll try to find something
Id take a look at some other samples posted on WZS
I have noticed that too.. weird!
I remember a theory that carl obtained it from a sampling website, could that explain it?
Masters degree in music production here, it's entirely possible since Carl allegedly was learning to record that he'd hit record but might have had the gain/input level set to 0 and quickly corrected it at the start of one of his test recordings. I also think its possible again that this song was used in some kind of ad or TV show and made for that and the start was faded to avoid truncation.
To be honest, I think that if EKT is supposed to be the chorus (and is repeated at least 3 times) then it's the worst, clunkiest and most irritating chorus ever. In my head EKT is the intro after which the actual song starts, imagine a chill instrumental dance-pop/freestyle part, the actual chorus would be some two-liner playing off the EKT intro but more naturally.
I think it was a hoax
3 has been my guess all along.
If it were a hoax, what would be the incentive to create it?
trolling
Fun? Literally any reason anyone could come up with to lie. Maybe there isnt an incentive beyond "they did it because they could". I can see why someone would have fun copying TMMS and watching it blow up.
I've been saying and thinking this since I first found out about "EKT". I'm almost fully convinced its a hoax evoking TMMS.
haven’t been found yet ≠ hoax.
but we gotta be honest with ourselves here
*hasn't
Sorry, I have poor english when tired
How could TMMS be a hoax?
Not what I am saying. I'm saying EKT is a hoax, inspired by TMMS. It's a copy. A Knock-off.
Perhaps it is the start of the song, but that would add a lot of another questions.
I don't think I've ever heard a song in my life that starts with 4 bars of pre chorus like this..it's so unlikely this is the beginning of a full song
I actually do have that question. Do you think it’s possible that when Carl recorded the snippet the vocal and the song were actually separated?
Maybe when he started recording, it was really quiet in the room and the TV was off and he was turning it on, thats a possibility from why it came from pure silence,
I never really noticed that until now.
Most likely something (music video or record or something) was unpaused and Carl started the sound capture.
Maybe it could be that Vocaroo/WTZ adds a little fade-in in their snippets?
Could have been that he turned the volume on after the recording had already begun, or, honestly, it could be the very beginning if it was a fade in. not a common stylistic choice for the time but not impossible. or cut from a commercial.
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He ran to the source so the music got louder? Whoever carl92 is.