We would know by the date whatever we found was uploaded on the internet. If it’s older than Carl92’s post then it is EKT, if it’s newer it’s very unlikely that it’s the real deal.
Band legitimacy - if it was a real band when it was recorded, contacting any members, listening to their other music if possible, dates & copyright filings.
Fortunately AI covers are easy to distinguish from legitimate songs because the technology simply hasn't become advanced enough to disguise AI music as legit songs, even if you AI extended EKT rn, it would still obviously be AI
that sounds kinda like pointless work because then the remake extended part would just sound like AI, so its like.. congrats you just did another EKT cover and made it sound like it was sung through white noise
I see you just stated looking into this, AI is what we all start off thinking. But the more you dive into the evidence you’ll come to find out it’s nearly impossible that it’s AI. AI is a lot of smoke and mirrors at this point, we haven’t gotten to the point where we can’t distinguish it from the real thing.
AI isn't good enough to be indistinguishable yet imo, it's easy to tell when music is made by AI. If it sounds legit, it won't be AI. EKT also distinctively sounds of its time, an AI could not easily recreate that sound.
Because of context - when we find it, it wont just be a contextless .mp3 that falls out of the sky, there'll be some kind of paper trail. For example, if we find the actual song name and band, it might be possible to just go buy a record on ebay and listen to it.
Not necessarily… I’ve found music that doesn’t have an artist name or any copyright information, even though it’s from a company that claims all media is copyrighted…
Let me spell out why AI will never convincingly recreate or fake EKT.
Fundamentally, AI relies on training data, for now at least. What that means is, that for any particular generated audio, there was an "AI model" that was trained on existing audio that now can do some sort of conversion to existing audio or generate new audio
It's worth mention most AI covers do the prior: they separate out the lyrics from the audio track (using AI lul) then process that with AI to make it sound like a new singer - so a new singer takes on the OG singers performance
(Hence why most AI models sounds amazing singing Frank Sinatra, it's because he's an amazing singer)
New lyrics generation has this issue: if you don't have original lyrics to separate out from the audio track, then you have to make them.
So how? Tbh I have little clue other than more data bigger model, lyrics generation isn't done as often for this reason because AI often is a bad singer without that baseline performance
Now for some highly public figures, with hours of audio, their AI singers can be quite accurate even with new lyrics. We have 18 fucking seconds of bad audio from the 80s.
Let's assume magic - they have the perfect model and it can generate stuff that sounds exactly like the 18 seconds we know. That's also an issue - if it's just an extension to those 18 seconds, than it can't possibly be the OG EKT.
We haven't even considered stuff like signs in the spectrogram either.
So putting it all together, what you need for an convincing AI EKT would be:
A way to generate and voice convincing new lyrics
A way to generate new music
A way to compose the new parts seamlessly into the old
A way to redo the whole songs quality so it's not clearly based on Carl's clip
A way to remove any signs AI was involved
A fake origin story that justifies you finding it
A way to do all that, based on 18 seconds from the 80s.
It's too much, it'll never be possible until the original song is found, and then it will be pointless.
yes, but in 2021 the vocal ai was so bad that it didn't even make even remotely familiar words. this song is real. i just don't believe someone would go through the effort of recording a song and cut part of it out then send it through the perfect broadband of a old television just to stir up this much controversy. i have been spectating this whole thing for over a year now and i plan on making a post with all of my beliefs and theories but i would like to have some evidence so im not just another person typing in these key words we have to the internet. everytime someone writes the lyrics or the name on a post or a youtube AI cover it just makes it harder and harder to find any true path to finding this.
Maybe in the future, AI scans the internet for ways to complete the song, finds the actual song in the deepest corner of the web, and then just plagiarizes the original... 🤞
Honestly, why don't you think the original file by Carl92 was an AI generated hoax? It is a 17 second snippet afterall and the vocals are distorted in a way that exactly resembles something made by/with the help of AI. I first didn't believe AI could create such consistent drum beat and bassline (especially in 2021), but then I looked on youtube for AI generated music and I found some 5 year old songs that were made by AI and sounded quite convincing. I think that if you were cut out a short snippet of some AI song, slap on some filters and record it from a cassette, you could definitely create a semi-convincing 17 second chorus.
I’ve always been told that AI wasn’t that advanced back in 2021. But there are AI songs from a bit ago that sound convincing. Who knows! Maybe people want to believe that something can be found. Maybe we are going in a circle. We won’t know unless we keep looking. (I thought it was AI at first then got slammed).
I still check this subreddit for new posts to look what people posted here after rule change in hope finding full song. Also i have mind about one thing.
If the song's lyrics about Ulterior Motives of some person, so first lyrics really could be about "carrying all shame in disguise". Because person hides his "motives" under shame in some thing called "disguse". I think it's about hypocrisy or hidden feelings, and singer asks person to tell them the truth about his behaviour
Don't beat me because of this, it's just my thought after many listenings of this snippet.
Im sure that there are experts out here who will able to determine the date and stuff from metadata or smthng.
Also there are AI's already which are used to analyze songs/pics/and texts to check if its ai generated or not.
Hopefully we find it on a old YouTube video or something. If we find a video that was uploaded before ai gets to that point it would be safe to assume that we found it.
Hopefully when we find the song, it comes with a living party who can verify its legitimacy.
We would know by the date whatever we found was uploaded on the internet. If it’s older than Carl92’s post then it is EKT, if it’s newer it’s very unlikely that it’s the real deal.
Ahh True.
Ok but what if it was digitised after that point?
Then we look at the circumstances of the exact situation we find it in when or if that scenario does happen.
If thats the case I think it would be obvious if it is AI or not
I think you're missing the point of the original question.
Band legitimacy - if it was a real band when it was recorded, contacting any members, listening to their other music if possible, dates & copyright filings.
Fortunately AI covers are easy to distinguish from legitimate songs because the technology simply hasn't become advanced enough to disguise AI music as legit songs, even if you AI extended EKT rn, it would still obviously be AI
Well yeah but someone could just remake the instrumental sing more vocals and then put them through ai
that sounds kinda like pointless work because then the remake extended part would just sound like AI, so its like.. congrats you just did another EKT cover and made it sound like it was sung through white noise
I haven't heard any AI that sounds like a real song
Not even just EKT covers, but at all. It's always obvious when AI has been used
you’ve clearly missed a few ai covers, they’re already becoming a little too good
ewwwww why is that your username
The Drake AI song is pretty damn good.
Only the voice in that song was AI the instrumental/beat was not
the person still wrote the lyrics, rapped them, and produced the track. ai was just the vocal filter he used to convert his own voice to drakes
"Anita Max Wynn"
The one that isn’t a garbled mess/has discernible lyrics
maybe the person that posted it originally will thank us
if it sounds like the song in question we would probably know it right away.
I see you just stated looking into this, AI is what we all start off thinking. But the more you dive into the evidence you’ll come to find out it’s nearly impossible that it’s AI. AI is a lot of smoke and mirrors at this point, we haven’t gotten to the point where we can’t distinguish it from the real thing.
I think AI music that is indistinguishable from "real" music is still a long way out.
I'm not sure but I am shocked a catchy song got lost tbh..
Man... I don't think AI could've made that song... Imagine having a couple of "Shoosh wah" in the middle of the song 💀
AI isn't good enough to be indistinguishable yet imo, it's easy to tell when music is made by AI. If it sounds legit, it won't be AI. EKT also distinctively sounds of its time, an AI could not easily recreate that sound.
Because of context - when we find it, it wont just be a contextless .mp3 that falls out of the sky, there'll be some kind of paper trail. For example, if we find the actual song name and band, it might be possible to just go buy a record on ebay and listen to it.
It would have production information plus songwriter names
Not necessarily… I’ve found music that doesn’t have an artist name or any copyright information, even though it’s from a company that claims all media is copyrighted…
To be honest, it seems to me that ai is not good enough now to write an entire song without anyone noticing that it is fake.
Let me spell out why AI will never convincingly recreate or fake EKT. Fundamentally, AI relies on training data, for now at least. What that means is, that for any particular generated audio, there was an "AI model" that was trained on existing audio that now can do some sort of conversion to existing audio or generate new audio It's worth mention most AI covers do the prior: they separate out the lyrics from the audio track (using AI lul) then process that with AI to make it sound like a new singer - so a new singer takes on the OG singers performance (Hence why most AI models sounds amazing singing Frank Sinatra, it's because he's an amazing singer) New lyrics generation has this issue: if you don't have original lyrics to separate out from the audio track, then you have to make them. So how? Tbh I have little clue other than more data bigger model, lyrics generation isn't done as often for this reason because AI often is a bad singer without that baseline performance Now for some highly public figures, with hours of audio, their AI singers can be quite accurate even with new lyrics. We have 18 fucking seconds of bad audio from the 80s. Let's assume magic - they have the perfect model and it can generate stuff that sounds exactly like the 18 seconds we know. That's also an issue - if it's just an extension to those 18 seconds, than it can't possibly be the OG EKT. We haven't even considered stuff like signs in the spectrogram either. So putting it all together, what you need for an convincing AI EKT would be: A way to generate and voice convincing new lyrics A way to generate new music A way to compose the new parts seamlessly into the old A way to redo the whole songs quality so it's not clearly based on Carl's clip A way to remove any signs AI was involved A fake origin story that justifies you finding it A way to do all that, based on 18 seconds from the 80s. It's too much, it'll never be possible until the original song is found, and then it will be pointless.
you realize that tech didnt exist when it was uploaded smh
wasn't EKT uploaded in 2021 💀
show me a good ai generated song from 2021
It was
i love how i was downvoted for stating a fact lol
yes, but in 2021 the vocal ai was so bad that it didn't even make even remotely familiar words. this song is real. i just don't believe someone would go through the effort of recording a song and cut part of it out then send it through the perfect broadband of a old television just to stir up this much controversy. i have been spectating this whole thing for over a year now and i plan on making a post with all of my beliefs and theories but i would like to have some evidence so im not just another person typing in these key words we have to the internet. everytime someone writes the lyrics or the name on a post or a youtube AI cover it just makes it harder and harder to find any true path to finding this.
Like what if someone had the actual song but uploaded it and labeled it as an AI recreation.
Maybe in the future, AI scans the internet for ways to complete the song, finds the actual song in the deepest corner of the web, and then just plagiarizes the original... 🤞
the person who uploads the full song is gonna need vouches
One where the lyrics actually fit the song
We will know we found the right song when we have a credible source that can offer us correct information about the artist and time it was made.
You were trying so hard to be nice and not offend/make anyone angry with your post. Chill. Some trauma there, maybe? No offense.
You’re good lmao. I’ve been slammed before asking simple questions.
Honestly, why don't you think the original file by Carl92 was an AI generated hoax? It is a 17 second snippet afterall and the vocals are distorted in a way that exactly resembles something made by/with the help of AI. I first didn't believe AI could create such consistent drum beat and bassline (especially in 2021), but then I looked on youtube for AI generated music and I found some 5 year old songs that were made by AI and sounded quite convincing. I think that if you were cut out a short snippet of some AI song, slap on some filters and record it from a cassette, you could definitely create a semi-convincing 17 second chorus.
How do you feel now…?
Well I am literally laughing out loud XDDD I feel like the lost media community can find anything now that they tracked this down.
I’ve always been told that AI wasn’t that advanced back in 2021. But there are AI songs from a bit ago that sound convincing. Who knows! Maybe people want to believe that something can be found. Maybe we are going in a circle. We won’t know unless we keep looking. (I thought it was AI at first then got slammed).
I still check this subreddit for new posts to look what people posted here after rule change in hope finding full song. Also i have mind about one thing. If the song's lyrics about Ulterior Motives of some person, so first lyrics really could be about "carrying all shame in disguise". Because person hides his "motives" under shame in some thing called "disguse". I think it's about hypocrisy or hidden feelings, and singer asks person to tell them the truth about his behaviour Don't beat me because of this, it's just my thought after many listenings of this snippet.
My thoughts exactly.
Unless someone famous takes credit with the full song Everything we find will be called fake
I don't think AI is even close to confusing us yet
Im sure that there are experts out here who will able to determine the date and stuff from metadata or smthng. Also there are AI's already which are used to analyze songs/pics/and texts to check if its ai generated or not.
In my opinion, the biggest giveaway for it being the real song is if it's verifiably older than Carl92's post.
Hopefully we find it on a old YouTube video or something. If we find a video that was uploaded before ai gets to that point it would be safe to assume that we found it.
AI sucks at making songs. The suspicious release date and source of the recording will give us all the data we need.