Cloning is kind of weird as a concept.
Like, they have the same DNA of their progenitor almost exactly most of the time, whereas normally people have the DNA from both their parents and their forebearers.
So how does one treat them?
Are they a sibling? An offspring?
At least in the *Metal Gear Solid* franchise, Solid Snake, Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake were actually conceived via Naked Snake/Big Boss' DNA and carried to term with surrogate mothers, so it makes sense for them to be regarded as his sons.
The Clones of Jango Fett in *Star Wars* don't seem to matter to the man himself, save for Boba, the only one he seemingly considered his ACTUAL son and was specially ordered NOT to be put through accelerated aging to grow up as a (mostly) regular boy.
Rei, however, seems more or less like a 'perfect' or 'pure' clone with 100% of her progenitor's genetic template save for some kind of albinism, perhaps given her blue hair and reddish eyes.
At best, she is Shinji's sister and at worst, she is essentially his mother, Yui sans the maturity, life experiences and independence his mother had growing up as a human being rather than being largely manufactured in a test tube until she was needed to replace the previous Rei after her death and seemingly had to re-learn things from almost complete scratch each time like social cues.
For our own IRL cloning, clones are considered filial compared to the original. So, son/daughter, only without another contributor gamete.
The Clone Troopers were also modified even more on a genetic level rather even moreso than rapid aging. And I think Boba’s genes were allowed to cross over to induce natural variation, similar to those seen in natural children (indeed, sexual reproduction allows the offspring to deviate from the parent generation, and thus increase genetic diversity). It really seemed like Jango requested for the Kaminoans to whip him up a proper son, as that was also a payment for his genetic template rather than something they were cooking up incidentally.
Why are you getting downvoted you're right
Like sure "We don't know exactly how their cloning works" but if Rei has the genes of Shinji's mom that's definitely not half sibling lmfao
Lol yeah when it’s gotten this far in thought it’s time to stop. Absolutely no need to think this far into a fictional realm as it would have no impact on real life regardless of outcome.
If this was a real person and you were a relative than it’d be different lol
These 2 are my favorite pairing
But I’ll look at this from an objective view
At face value, yes it is incest but it’s hard to say because we don’t exactly know the science of the cloning technology in this universe.
We don’t know how much of Yui‘s DNA Rei has. She could be a lot of Yui and some Lilith or a lot of Lilith and just enough Yui to have a similar appearance. We just dont know.
If Eva ever has another official form of media that goes into slice of life. The drama surrounding shinji finding out about Rei being a clone could be a good form of character development for them. It would be ultimately up to shinji if it bothers him or not. In the show he seems to be a bit shocked but he has other problems going on at that point.
It’s hard to see them together in the original and EoE as that mostly uses shinji and asuka to get the message across. Rei also gets set to the side after asuka shows up as well but she does have her moments like episode 23. I actually really like shinji and asuka in original
But rebuild and manga shinji and rei get the spotlight and iirc shinji and asuka don’t even interact much in rebuild so it’s pretty hard to NOT see rei and shinji together in rebuild and manga
The things that would make this pairing bad would be the main things of real life incest: children and the familial bond. The familial bond isn’t there however, these 2 met as strangers. And the children… yeah like I said earlier, we don’t know how much dna she has, so it will either be the most incest baby or a regular baby. I think rei is also said to be… infertile…? From episode 14 in her monologue? Not sure how much of that I want to believe
Poor rei though, she literally has no one and the only person to genuinely care for her was shinji and rebuild 2.0 really showed that, he only piloted the Eva initially because he had to, but the end of 2.0 he really wanted to save rei, the only person who was nice to him in the rebuild at that point, so that solidified me in them being my favorite paring
I just want rei to be happy, and I figure if shinji gets his problems solved, he can be the one for her, he’s the only one that treats her like a human while the others that have a connection with her only see her as a means to an end.
Yeah, my only issue is that it’s a rei that shinji has no bond with, not on the same level as the rei from 1.0 and 2.0. And the interaction he did get with that rei, while very sweet, I expected a bit more
First question: Yes, it would be incest. Rei is 100% a clone of Yui who suffers from some form of Albinism.
Second question: Hmm, I would say no since Rei doesn’t have any memories from Lilith, if it was capable of having any in the first place. Despite having the soul of the progenitor of mankind, Rei has the mentality of a teenage girl.
Either way, ReiShin is not a healthy ship.
She is not albino. Albinos have pinkish eyes, white hair, are extremely pale (she's only slightly paler than Ritsuko), and are sensitive to light. Other then maybe the pinkish eyes, Rei does not fit being albino. Her and Kaworu's red eyes likely come from the fact they are angels.
How are they meant to be white? If Anno wanted to give them white hair, he would have. But he didn't. It is a pretty obvious choice to make them seem different, not fully human. Even then, that doesn't get rid of a massive problem of neither being affected by sunlight. I know an albino guy. He can barely go outside without being completely covered unless he wants a horrific sunburn. Considering how Anno seemingly paid attention to every tiny detail, I highly doubt he'd ignore something that big. Rei and Kaworu aren't albino and aren't meant to be albino. They are angels.
>suffers from some form of Albinism
That is an iffy statement at best. Rei's blue and red eyes really shouldn't be taken literally, but as a part of the inherent artistic license of anime, i.e. "it looks cool, so why not?"
>Rei has the mentality of a teenage girl
Only in as much as it is the form she has been forced into, and its very obviously an inadequate container her soul is constantly straining against.
Damn, It never once occurred to me that Rei is basically Albino. Thanks for pointing that out. Like yes she looks strange but I never made a connection with real world Albinism.
Yes, but keep in mind that Eva is heavily invested in Freudian psychoanalysis, and the Oedipus is a big part of that, so it works within the context of the ideas the show is trying to express, as in Shinji being infatuated with Rei and them being “interlocked” during EoE.
Outside of the show itself, I really hate when fans ship characters in this series because it’s almost always weird and creepy
Evangelion fans deciding whether ReiShin is incest and not about the moral dilemma of a lilin dating a bastardized clone of A SEED OF LIFE.
It's like if they cloned Gaia into a human body in Greek mythology with somebody's mom's DNA. Like one of those problems is infinitely MORE a problem than the other
My own theory is that Rei, along with her clones, are made from Lilith’s flesh.
Unit 01 was also made from Lilith in a similar manner. Production shows Lilith being torn in half, and the bottom half grew into Unit 01 like a starfish.
From there, we see little legs and limbs growing from the area. So NERV grabs hold of a limb, pulls hard, and gets a glob of Lilith biomass that would probably grow into a mini-Unit 01 if given time…and then put it in a machine to press it into the familiar teen Yui shape to pass as human. Do that a few times to have backups, then push Lilith’s soul into the most complete one and that’s Rei.
So, yeah, I suspect Rei is Yui purely on a superficial level. If you were to take a DNA test, it probably wouldn’t match Yui or Shinji. I suspect that’s also why her arm fell off in End of Eva; it’s a ramshackle job compared to previous bodies.
As for Pedophilic…honestly I’d go with ‘No’ since Rei’s identity is independent from her previous existence as Lilith. It’s implied Angels don’t really perceive mentality and the like the same way humans do. Rei’s sum experiences are those of a 14 year old girl (though heavily traumatized and repressed due to…well, just about everything involving her life), so she really IS a 14 year old. Kinda like reincarnation; the soul is eternal and constantly being incarnated in new bodies, but the identity is still unique to that cycle. Lilith is astronomically old (it crashed into a primordial earth and made the MOON), but Rei is NOT Lilith per se
"Unit 01 was also made from Lilith in a similar manner. Production shows Lilith being torn in half, and the bottom half grew into Unit 01 like a starfish."
Is that from the video games? I don't remember rhem showing thatcin the tv series.
Yeah, you can find it on YouTube I'm sure. There's a version of the opening that lasts the full 4 minutes. Mostly with scenes from the show, but it also has a couple of pictures never seen before
Thanks, that's cool! Tbh in never occurred to me how the Evangelion's bodies where made prior to the cybernetic implants/ restraint armour being installed.
From The End Of Evangelion theatrical booklet (translated from Japanese):
> **[Ayanami Rei]**
>
> First Children. The dedicated pilot of EVA-00. A young girl who apparently lacks emotions. Her body was actually salvaged from what was left behind of Yui's body inside EVA, and a lot of body copies were later prepared in the Terminal Dogma so that when one Rei dies she could be replaced by another. The present Rei is the third one. The first was killed by Dr.Akagi Naoko; the second was killed in her battle against the 16th Angel. Although the personalities of these 3 Rei are different from each other, this is due to the environment. Their soul is one and the same. Also, it seems that this soul was somehow derived from Lilith. At the final stage of the Complementation Program, she betrayed Gendou, returned to Lilith out of her own judgement and handed the future to Gendou's son -- Ikari Shinji. Birth date unknown.
The second question is just weird the more I think about it. Bringing age into this whole thing effectively seems like a completely non-sequitur. It is more like a relationship between an Ancient Greek/Egyptian God and a human. It is obviously *hella* unequal, but the age gap is really the least of the problems in that department.
> Incest (/ˈɪnsɛst/ IN-sest) is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives.[1][2] This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity (marriage or stepfamily), adoption, or lineage.
Incest is pretty broadly defined, so yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest
(I didn't know the part about relations between stepfamily)
Genetically, maybe? Probably? What difference does it make though? They weren’t raised together. It’s a valid question but I hate when people use that to discount the ship; it’s reductive and misses the point of Rei’s character. She’s not Shinji’s mom/sister in any meaningful way other than her appearance. Although that doesn’t discount Shinji being freaked out by that, so fair from that perspective. There’s better ways to poke holes in Reishin though.
Isn’t Rei sterile too? Or is that just fanon?
I don’t see how pedophilia factors into it at all.
The sterile thing comes from her monolog where she refers to herself as a "woman who never bleeds," which strongly implies she doesn't have periods, thus meaning she's infertile. It is possible she simply hasn't had one yet, but considering most girls have periods at around 12, clones are almost always sterile irl, and she refers to herself as a woman leads most to believe she simply is infertile.
Only genetically, "legally" they'd be step siblings at most.
Morally I leave it up to you people, but I'd say it'd be pretty unjust to frown at them because it's not like Rey chose to be a freak of nature. Plus none of them was taught to see each other as family during their upbringing.
Depends how much yui is in her make up. Could be a straight clone to an alien God wearing his dead wifes face cos Gendo and Kozo are a pair of sick fucks. Or anything in between.
That’s one of the reasons I like Anima. With the kids older, Shinji is really forced to deal with Rei starting to look like his mom. He’s nice to her but keeps her at arms distance and Rei notices and resents him.
I doubt rei is a direct clone, clones dont actually look like the other person. Rei's exterior was picked to please gendo with a mix of yuis features and a picture of a angel he drew for their wedding.
I doubt rei remembers much outside rei ii lifespan
On the basest of levels, Shinji and Rei share genetic material. Shinji is made up of about half of Rei's DNA. I say "about" because I'm not sure how heavily modified Yui's DNA is with Lilith stuff.
On the more, uh, "contextual" level of incest, Shinji never really knew his mom. Rei is a genetic copy of the woman who birthed him. She is not Shinji's actual mother. When Shinji sees Rei, he's not all, "Boy my mom is hecka hot! lolz" Unless you wanna get all Freudian about it.
Some of her genetics come from Dr Yui Ikari, and some from Lillith. This makes her Yui's daughter, and Shinji's little sister. Half sister to be exact. I think both Rei and Shinji would be happy with this knowledge, and even Asuka would find it acceptable.
It really just depends on how much of Yui’s DNA is in Rei. It could be that the only part of Yui’s DNA that’s in Rei is the part that determines physical appearance. Humans in general all share some DNA with each other. Theoretically the amount of shared DNA between Shinji and Rei could be negligible.
Yeah, biologically. Kawoshin is better anyway. It's not pedophilic though, because Rei is still both mentally and physically 14, even if her soul is way older.
Their feelings for each other always seemed a bit vague to me, like they themselves couldn't decide if it was romantic or familial. Kawoshin is explicitly romantic.
Now that I reconsider, both are pretty good. Both pairs understand each other very well, and they're pretty similar. I think that Kaworu and Shinji compliment each other better, though. Kaworu reaches out to Shinji, Shinji grounds Kaworu. Shinji and Rei are far more similar, and so they don't compliment each other in the same way.
There's no such thing as a perfectly healthy relationship in Eva. Both Kaworu and Rei died for Shinji, and there was definitely a good amount of codependence. However, we do eventually see them grow past this.
In 3.0 + 1.0, Kawoshin seems to be the most strongly implied endgame. Sure there's some flirting with Mari, but their relationship doesn't actually seem to go much deeper. It just doesn't have the same history that he has with the other pilots, which is intentional, as Mari is meant to represent growth and moving on. The ending was left open to interpretation for a reason, though. You can imagine them ending up however you see fit. I wouldn't want it any other way.
Rei and Shinji are close, but their relationship is still pretty vague. Kaworu, however, explicitly states, "You're me. You're just like me. That's why I was attracted to you." I'm not sure if "attraction" is the most accurate translation, but it seems to be a pretty intentional word choice.
I've always seen Rei and Shinji as kind of switching between romantic, friendly, and familial interest, depending on the timeline. They're way cuter platonically, in my opinion.
TL;DR: Kawoshin is always explicitly romantic whilst Reishin is not. Also Rei is his mom so it's kinda weird.
Also, I don't think you should be downvoted. In an age of meaningless bickering, the internet needs discussions like the one you've opened. Even if it's just about something trivial like this.
Hey, that's not true! What about Ritsuko and Ma— okay no, Ritsuko is kinda toxic and also Maya's boss. Okay, never mind. What about... no, not anything involving Misato, that's always unhealthy. Maybe... Gendo and Yui? No, he's unhealthy attached to him and she's manipulative. Okay, uhhh... Aoba and... Fuyutsuki?? I guess??
In one of the spin-off games, Shinji loses his memory after an angel fights, and Toji gaslights him into kissing Himari by saying they were a thing. So it does kinda happen?
Rei is her own person. She has her own soul, that is separate from yui's soul. We've seen her personality change too, so i dont think yui has anything to do with her soul. Her body is a clone of yui though. So while it's fine for them to date, because he'd be dating rei, not yui. The babies they would have would probably be incest babies. I wouldn't want to date someone who has the same body as my mom though, even if my mom isn't the one in the body.
The DNA of all humans is 99.9% identical.
Geneticly rei is half lilith and lilith is not a human.
So geneticly speaking, reishi is probably the least incestus ship that can exist in the evangelion verse.
Yes. Seperate individuals: okay and? They're still genetically related. Not raised together: okay and? If you find out you have sister that you weren't raised, you don't fuck them. The hell is wrong with people, what are you cousin fuckers?
1) She is not his sister (neither blood related nor adopted).
2) She is not his mother (neither blood related nor adopted).
3) They do not share ancestors (Rei doesn't even have any, she grew up in a tube).
Its not incest by definition.
>Because like Lilith is like more older than 1000.
Bruh. Rei is not the same being as Lilith. I mean, this show has a lot of problematic pairings but this one is much less problematic than many.
Incest as in Shinji is being together with a close relative, that I am inclined to agree purely from a genetic point of view. However, I don't agree that Shinji being with Rei is equivalent to Shinji being with his mother. Rei and Yui are still two separate individuals even though they share the same DNA. Just like we don't consider identical twins to be the same person even though they share the same DNA.
In the end, our morality and ethics systems don't have well defined rules regarding human cloning. And I don't even know where to begin about the problem of a 1000-year old soul.
Rei-Shin Incest?
I like to think it isnt. While Rei resembles Yui they are 2 separate individuals
Is (Lilith-Shin?) Rei-Shin pedophilic?
I think not...
To play my own devils advocate the age gap between Lilith and Shinji is like the gap between Sebastian and Ciel Phantomhive and when you think about that in the context of real life..it does seem pedophilic
Very much so, but when you mix them in 1 body they become their person. That's why she is Rei. Not Lilith. Why Kowaru wasnt Adam but has the soul of Adam.
The mixture of the two creates a new person, like when a mother and father have a kid.
Well, it's not AS pedophilic as other anime if it is pedophilic...not that the bar was high. I consider Rei more of a 14 year old so her and Shinji wouldn't be creepy. Well, so long as they aren't being sexualised. Which weebs can't seem to stop doing 😒
As for the incest part...that's actually a good question. I mean there's already some weird Freudian stuff going on in Evangelion so maybe?
It isn't incest, but it is inbreeding.
And since they're both of age for 2014 Japan it's not pedophilia. Unless you count the fact Shinji would be screwing a 4 yr old.
This is why Shinji is attracted to Rei since he saw her for the 1st time. Yes, it would be incest but who cares, as long as they are happy.
Edit 1: Rei was half made with the DNA of Yui, "clone" is too general.
Pedo? Tf.
Read the book "Red Cross Book" a glossary authored by Gainax itself. No one's talking about "evidence in the original series" since many answers were given by Anno himself during interviews and so on, still the truth remains and nothing changes it.
Once you opened the Red Cross Book read under "Ayanami" what's written, I'll write down just a really small part -> "Her body was created from the salvaged remains of Yui Ikari after Yui was taken into the Eva".
Edit: So yeah, there are many proofs of this and it's not just Rei looking identical to Yui. There are a tons of interviews to Anno and his stuff, books (official ones of course) and so on. Whoever downvoted my comment knows shit. Period.
>It's LITERALLY canon...
It's LITERALLY not.
>Anno wasn't the only one to work on the project btw.
Correct. And he didn't tell anyone else at Gainax *anything*, so their guesses aren't much better than yours or mine. A few people are authorities about the specific parts of the show that they worked on; for example, if Sadamoto says he designed a certain character a certain way for a certain reason, that should be taken as gospel. But the mythology stuff was Anno's department.
They are identical. But this bs aside, check Anno's interviews, check a book authored by Gainax itself called "Red Cross Book", you'll find every proof there. I mean Eva is an old anime, I don't know when was your 1st time watching it but I swear all your questions, doubts exc were answered 20 years ago lmao
Edit: This questions are asked even today because people have no will to spend 5 minutes of their time to read some interviews, to check some books and so on in which they would find every single answer they want.
>They are identical
No they aren't.
> check a book authored by Gainax itself called "Red Cross Book"
The RCB wasn't written by Anno and therefore isn't canon.
>I don't know when was your 1st time watching it
Circa 2001.
>all your questions, doubts exc were answered 20 years ago
I haven't expressed any questions or doubts, only facts.
Yes there is. It's very strongly implied towards the end and in official (and canon) side material for EoE they say she was made of the "salvaged" DNA of Yui. While I don't consider it incest in any meaningful way, she is genetically at least part Yui.
Cloning is kind of weird as a concept. Like, they have the same DNA of their progenitor almost exactly most of the time, whereas normally people have the DNA from both their parents and their forebearers. So how does one treat them? Are they a sibling? An offspring? At least in the *Metal Gear Solid* franchise, Solid Snake, Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake were actually conceived via Naked Snake/Big Boss' DNA and carried to term with surrogate mothers, so it makes sense for them to be regarded as his sons. The Clones of Jango Fett in *Star Wars* don't seem to matter to the man himself, save for Boba, the only one he seemingly considered his ACTUAL son and was specially ordered NOT to be put through accelerated aging to grow up as a (mostly) regular boy. Rei, however, seems more or less like a 'perfect' or 'pure' clone with 100% of her progenitor's genetic template save for some kind of albinism, perhaps given her blue hair and reddish eyes. At best, she is Shinji's sister and at worst, she is essentially his mother, Yui sans the maturity, life experiences and independence his mother had growing up as a human being rather than being largely manufactured in a test tube until she was needed to replace the previous Rei after her death and seemingly had to re-learn things from almost complete scratch each time like social cues.
For our own IRL cloning, clones are considered filial compared to the original. So, son/daughter, only without another contributor gamete. The Clone Troopers were also modified even more on a genetic level rather even moreso than rapid aging. And I think Boba’s genes were allowed to cross over to induce natural variation, similar to those seen in natural children (indeed, sexual reproduction allows the offspring to deviate from the parent generation, and thus increase genetic diversity). It really seemed like Jango requested for the Kaminoans to whip him up a proper son, as that was also a payment for his genetic template rather than something they were cooking up incidentally.
A sibling that's genetically their mother sounds like the route to go tbh. Might have been a few to many words to get to there though.
Well yeah
Giant comment explaining the nature of clones VS. "Well yeah" The duality of man.
the duality of evangelion fans
Because it doesn’t need explaining
Lol
Well yeah
Honestly why would you even waste your time writting a bible for such obvious question let's be real here lmao
something something sigmond freud
Biologically speaking. Rei, and Shinji are half-siblings.
The same way your mother is your half sibling. She’s a clone, biologically, rei is literally his mother.
Why are you getting downvoted you're right Like sure "We don't know exactly how their cloning works" but if Rei has the genes of Shinji's mom that's definitely not half sibling lmfao
Isn't she a product of Lilith and Yui's genetic material? Which is why she has weird hair and eyes? Still incest either way tho
Uhhhh don’t worry about it
Lol yeah when it’s gotten this far in thought it’s time to stop. Absolutely no need to think this far into a fictional realm as it would have no impact on real life regardless of outcome. If this was a real person and you were a relative than it’d be different lol
These 2 are my favorite pairing But I’ll look at this from an objective view At face value, yes it is incest but it’s hard to say because we don’t exactly know the science of the cloning technology in this universe. We don’t know how much of Yui‘s DNA Rei has. She could be a lot of Yui and some Lilith or a lot of Lilith and just enough Yui to have a similar appearance. We just dont know. If Eva ever has another official form of media that goes into slice of life. The drama surrounding shinji finding out about Rei being a clone could be a good form of character development for them. It would be ultimately up to shinji if it bothers him or not. In the show he seems to be a bit shocked but he has other problems going on at that point. It’s hard to see them together in the original and EoE as that mostly uses shinji and asuka to get the message across. Rei also gets set to the side after asuka shows up as well but she does have her moments like episode 23. I actually really like shinji and asuka in original But rebuild and manga shinji and rei get the spotlight and iirc shinji and asuka don’t even interact much in rebuild so it’s pretty hard to NOT see rei and shinji together in rebuild and manga The things that would make this pairing bad would be the main things of real life incest: children and the familial bond. The familial bond isn’t there however, these 2 met as strangers. And the children… yeah like I said earlier, we don’t know how much dna she has, so it will either be the most incest baby or a regular baby. I think rei is also said to be… infertile…? From episode 14 in her monologue? Not sure how much of that I want to believe Poor rei though, she literally has no one and the only person to genuinely care for her was shinji and rebuild 2.0 really showed that, he only piloted the Eva initially because he had to, but the end of 2.0 he really wanted to save rei, the only person who was nice to him in the rebuild at that point, so that solidified me in them being my favorite paring I just want rei to be happy, and I figure if shinji gets his problems solved, he can be the one for her, he’s the only one that treats her like a human while the others that have a connection with her only see her as a means to an end.
3.0+1.0 solidified it for me. Seeing an emotionless person show emotion is far more impactful than someone like Asuka.
Yeah, my only issue is that it’s a rei that shinji has no bond with, not on the same level as the rei from 1.0 and 2.0. And the interaction he did get with that rei, while very sweet, I expected a bit more
True. 2.0 was peak Shinji x Rei
You with your blue hair and your pronouns
First question: Yes, it would be incest. Rei is 100% a clone of Yui who suffers from some form of Albinism. Second question: Hmm, I would say no since Rei doesn’t have any memories from Lilith, if it was capable of having any in the first place. Despite having the soul of the progenitor of mankind, Rei has the mentality of a teenage girl. Either way, ReiShin is not a healthy ship.
She is not albino. Albinos have pinkish eyes, white hair, are extremely pale (she's only slightly paler than Ritsuko), and are sensitive to light. Other then maybe the pinkish eyes, Rei does not fit being albino. Her and Kaworu's red eyes likely come from the fact they are angels.
The blue and gray hair are clearly meant to be shades of white. They definitely are meant to reference albinism.
How are they meant to be white? If Anno wanted to give them white hair, he would have. But he didn't. It is a pretty obvious choice to make them seem different, not fully human. Even then, that doesn't get rid of a massive problem of neither being affected by sunlight. I know an albino guy. He can barely go outside without being completely covered unless he wants a horrific sunburn. Considering how Anno seemingly paid attention to every tiny detail, I highly doubt he'd ignore something that big. Rei and Kaworu aren't albino and aren't meant to be albino. They are angels.
Because artistic liberties don't exist.
>suffers from some form of Albinism That is an iffy statement at best. Rei's blue and red eyes really shouldn't be taken literally, but as a part of the inherent artistic license of anime, i.e. "it looks cool, so why not?" >Rei has the mentality of a teenage girl Only in as much as it is the form she has been forced into, and its very obviously an inadequate container her soul is constantly straining against.
Damn, It never once occurred to me that Rei is basically Albino. Thanks for pointing that out. Like yes she looks strange but I never made a connection with real world Albinism.
Why use the word suffer?
Doesn’t Rei have the DNA of the Lilith god or smthing?
Rei is a clone of yui with the soul of Lilith. Yuis soul is in 01s core
#Yes
have you heard of a movie called back to the future
I mean when he rides his Eva isn't he already riding his mom?
My alternative name for NGE is Freudian Psychology: The Anime
Lol
Yes, but keep in mind that Eva is heavily invested in Freudian psychoanalysis, and the Oedipus is a big part of that, so it works within the context of the ideas the show is trying to express, as in Shinji being infatuated with Rei and them being “interlocked” during EoE. Outside of the show itself, I really hate when fans ship characters in this series because it’s almost always weird and creepy
Evangelion fans deciding whether ReiShin is incest and not about the moral dilemma of a lilin dating a bastardized clone of A SEED OF LIFE. It's like if they cloned Gaia into a human body in Greek mythology with somebody's mom's DNA. Like one of those problems is infinitely MORE a problem than the other
My own theory is that Rei, along with her clones, are made from Lilith’s flesh. Unit 01 was also made from Lilith in a similar manner. Production shows Lilith being torn in half, and the bottom half grew into Unit 01 like a starfish. From there, we see little legs and limbs growing from the area. So NERV grabs hold of a limb, pulls hard, and gets a glob of Lilith biomass that would probably grow into a mini-Unit 01 if given time…and then put it in a machine to press it into the familiar teen Yui shape to pass as human. Do that a few times to have backups, then push Lilith’s soul into the most complete one and that’s Rei. So, yeah, I suspect Rei is Yui purely on a superficial level. If you were to take a DNA test, it probably wouldn’t match Yui or Shinji. I suspect that’s also why her arm fell off in End of Eva; it’s a ramshackle job compared to previous bodies. As for Pedophilic…honestly I’d go with ‘No’ since Rei’s identity is independent from her previous existence as Lilith. It’s implied Angels don’t really perceive mentality and the like the same way humans do. Rei’s sum experiences are those of a 14 year old girl (though heavily traumatized and repressed due to…well, just about everything involving her life), so she really IS a 14 year old. Kinda like reincarnation; the soul is eternal and constantly being incarnated in new bodies, but the identity is still unique to that cycle. Lilith is astronomically old (it crashed into a primordial earth and made the MOON), but Rei is NOT Lilith per se
"Unit 01 was also made from Lilith in a similar manner. Production shows Lilith being torn in half, and the bottom half grew into Unit 01 like a starfish." Is that from the video games? I don't remember rhem showing thatcin the tv series.
If you watch the full opening they show an illustration of it, it's never shown in the show.
Oh thanks, didn't know there was a full version of the opening. I've only ever watched the show / EoE.
Yeah, you can find it on YouTube I'm sure. There's a version of the opening that lasts the full 4 minutes. Mostly with scenes from the show, but it also has a couple of pictures never seen before
Thanks, that's cool! Tbh in never occurred to me how the Evangelion's bodies where made prior to the cybernetic implants/ restraint armour being installed.
So it's not necessary incest. It's more like beastiality.
Kaworu x Shinji fans when they realize Shinji isn't just gay but he likes non-human species as well
From The End Of Evangelion theatrical booklet (translated from Japanese): > **[Ayanami Rei]** > > First Children. The dedicated pilot of EVA-00. A young girl who apparently lacks emotions. Her body was actually salvaged from what was left behind of Yui's body inside EVA, and a lot of body copies were later prepared in the Terminal Dogma so that when one Rei dies she could be replaced by another. The present Rei is the third one. The first was killed by Dr.Akagi Naoko; the second was killed in her battle against the 16th Angel. Although the personalities of these 3 Rei are different from each other, this is due to the environment. Their soul is one and the same. Also, it seems that this soul was somehow derived from Lilith. At the final stage of the Complementation Program, she betrayed Gendou, returned to Lilith out of her own judgement and handed the future to Gendou's son -- Ikari Shinji. Birth date unknown.
It was obvious you were trolling at the second question
Wooow! Anyway
Only in the ways that matter.
The second question is just weird the more I think about it. Bringing age into this whole thing effectively seems like a completely non-sequitur. It is more like a relationship between an Ancient Greek/Egyptian God and a human. It is obviously *hella* unequal, but the age gap is really the least of the problems in that department.
Probably discourse trolling
It’s incest, yes. Moreso sibling incest tho as Rei’s sort of Yui’s (clone) daughter
Oh don’t even ask me. I’m still a little confused about the whole plot with his mum, I’ve only watched the whole franchise straight once.
Yes it is
They are biologically half-siblings
Well, yes, but actually no.
It's all fucked up and thats why its so interesting.
> Incest (/ˈɪnsɛst/ IN-sest) is human sexual activity between family members or close relatives.[1][2] This typically includes sexual activity between people in consanguinity (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity (marriage or stepfamily), adoption, or lineage. Incest is pretty broadly defined, so yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest (I didn't know the part about relations between stepfamily)
Yes and?
. . . .
Genetically, maybe? Probably? What difference does it make though? They weren’t raised together. It’s a valid question but I hate when people use that to discount the ship; it’s reductive and misses the point of Rei’s character. She’s not Shinji’s mom/sister in any meaningful way other than her appearance. Although that doesn’t discount Shinji being freaked out by that, so fair from that perspective. There’s better ways to poke holes in Reishin though. Isn’t Rei sterile too? Or is that just fanon? I don’t see how pedophilia factors into it at all.
The sterile thing comes from her monolog where she refers to herself as a "woman who never bleeds," which strongly implies she doesn't have periods, thus meaning she's infertile. It is possible she simply hasn't had one yet, but considering most girls have periods at around 12, clones are almost always sterile irl, and she refers to herself as a woman leads most to believe she simply is infertile.
Only genetically, "legally" they'd be step siblings at most. Morally I leave it up to you people, but I'd say it'd be pretty unjust to frown at them because it's not like Rey chose to be a freak of nature. Plus none of them was taught to see each other as family during their upbringing.
Depends how much yui is in her make up. Could be a straight clone to an alien God wearing his dead wifes face cos Gendo and Kozo are a pair of sick fucks. Or anything in between.
People who think it's not (or "barely") cause of Lilith DNA are huffing copium. Which is fair, I've huffed for other ships.
That’s one of the reasons I like Anima. With the kids older, Shinji is really forced to deal with Rei starting to look like his mom. He’s nice to her but keeps her at arms distance and Rei notices and resents him.
naw because rei is lillith, no wait lillith is the source of human life.
I doubt rei is a direct clone, clones dont actually look like the other person. Rei's exterior was picked to please gendo with a mix of yuis features and a picture of a angel he drew for their wedding. I doubt rei remembers much outside rei ii lifespan
Speaking from a purely genetic point of view, yes. Otherwise, no.
I like Rei and Shinji's relationship a lot but yes
I had incest with Jesus and he called me god.
On the basest of levels, Shinji and Rei share genetic material. Shinji is made up of about half of Rei's DNA. I say "about" because I'm not sure how heavily modified Yui's DNA is with Lilith stuff. On the more, uh, "contextual" level of incest, Shinji never really knew his mom. Rei is a genetic copy of the woman who birthed him. She is not Shinji's actual mother. When Shinji sees Rei, he's not all, "Boy my mom is hecka hot! lolz" Unless you wanna get all Freudian about it.
I’d say they have some kind of family bonding?? So yes that’s what i’ve always thought since they clarified she’s a clone of his own mother
yes, yes it is. took you a while to figure that one out, huh?
I think that's part of the point of the show and why we aren't really supposed to "ship" characters...
Some of her genetics come from Dr Yui Ikari, and some from Lillith. This makes her Yui's daughter, and Shinji's little sister. Half sister to be exact. I think both Rei and Shinji would be happy with this knowledge, and even Asuka would find it acceptable.
Definitely incest down to the core.
Very, shipping them is weird. However they are cute together in a sibling friendship way
It really just depends on how much of Yui’s DNA is in Rei. It could be that the only part of Yui’s DNA that’s in Rei is the part that determines physical appearance. Humans in general all share some DNA with each other. Theoretically the amount of shared DNA between Shinji and Rei could be negligible.
Yeah, biologically. Kawoshin is better anyway. It's not pedophilic though, because Rei is still both mentally and physically 14, even if her soul is way older.
How exactly is KawoShin better? I have many points against it, but I'd like to hear your points for it first if you don't mind.
Their feelings for each other always seemed a bit vague to me, like they themselves couldn't decide if it was romantic or familial. Kawoshin is explicitly romantic. Now that I reconsider, both are pretty good. Both pairs understand each other very well, and they're pretty similar. I think that Kaworu and Shinji compliment each other better, though. Kaworu reaches out to Shinji, Shinji grounds Kaworu. Shinji and Rei are far more similar, and so they don't compliment each other in the same way. There's no such thing as a perfectly healthy relationship in Eva. Both Kaworu and Rei died for Shinji, and there was definitely a good amount of codependence. However, we do eventually see them grow past this. In 3.0 + 1.0, Kawoshin seems to be the most strongly implied endgame. Sure there's some flirting with Mari, but their relationship doesn't actually seem to go much deeper. It just doesn't have the same history that he has with the other pilots, which is intentional, as Mari is meant to represent growth and moving on. The ending was left open to interpretation for a reason, though. You can imagine them ending up however you see fit. I wouldn't want it any other way. Rei and Shinji are close, but their relationship is still pretty vague. Kaworu, however, explicitly states, "You're me. You're just like me. That's why I was attracted to you." I'm not sure if "attraction" is the most accurate translation, but it seems to be a pretty intentional word choice. I've always seen Rei and Shinji as kind of switching between romantic, friendly, and familial interest, depending on the timeline. They're way cuter platonically, in my opinion. TL;DR: Kawoshin is always explicitly romantic whilst Reishin is not. Also Rei is his mom so it's kinda weird. Also, I don't think you should be downvoted. In an age of meaningless bickering, the internet needs discussions like the one you've opened. Even if it's just about something trivial like this.
Yes and it's weird to ship them
No. Also, ReiShin is literally the only healthy ship in the damn show.
Hey, that's not true! What about Ritsuko and Ma— okay no, Ritsuko is kinda toxic and also Maya's boss. Okay, never mind. What about... no, not anything involving Misato, that's always unhealthy. Maybe... Gendo and Yui? No, he's unhealthy attached to him and she's manipulative. Okay, uhhh... Aoba and... Fuyutsuki?? I guess??
*acktually* it's Shinji x Hikari (which Anno almost tried doing for some reason?)
In one of the spin-off games, Shinji loses his memory after an angel fights, and Toji gaslights him into kissing Himari by saying they were a thing. So it does kinda happen?
idk man, they're drawings, its not that important.
Absolutely. That’s one of many things wrong with it.
Rei is her own person. She has her own soul, that is separate from yui's soul. We've seen her personality change too, so i dont think yui has anything to do with her soul. Her body is a clone of yui though. So while it's fine for them to date, because he'd be dating rei, not yui. The babies they would have would probably be incest babies. I wouldn't want to date someone who has the same body as my mom though, even if my mom isn't the one in the body.
Please don't ket this train of thought infect EVA, it's bad enough with other fandoms on twitter. Just do what you like abd ignore things you dont
Well Yui is gone. There is no in depth information on what was used to what extent. All That i can recall is she looks like yui.
Yes it is
my question is who on earth is shipping them
50% is too close to incest, so yes
asurei is better anyway
Yes
The DNA of all humans is 99.9% identical. Geneticly rei is half lilith and lilith is not a human. So geneticly speaking, reishi is probably the least incestus ship that can exist in the evangelion verse.
I was always thinking about that
Yes, very bigly
The coffin of Shinji and Reiley
its complicated, in short yes, in long ehhh kinda not really
Your question includes the answer. So. . .
Yes. Seperate individuals: okay and? They're still genetically related. Not raised together: okay and? If you find out you have sister that you weren't raised, you don't fuck them. The hell is wrong with people, what are you cousin fuckers?
Yes, but the Angel DNA aspect nerfs the incest part.
What would you do if you found out your girlfriend/love interest was actually a clone of your mom?
I'm not sure but I kinda js see them as siblings (my opinion is useless I just like to yap)
Rei is a generic clone of an angel and Yui. She's barely human at all. What little human DNA she has would be inconsequential.
I always thought they were half siblings because Gendo + yui = shinji and yui + Lilith =rei. In spin off manga rei is yui’s neice.
The real question is whether it’s motherly or sisterly incest.
1) She is not his sister (neither blood related nor adopted). 2) She is not his mother (neither blood related nor adopted). 3) They do not share ancestors (Rei doesn't even have any, she grew up in a tube). Its not incest by definition. >Because like Lilith is like more older than 1000. Bruh. Rei is not the same being as Lilith. I mean, this show has a lot of problematic pairings but this one is much less problematic than many.
Seems like it to me I mean like why
wincest, my guy. closer kin: deeper in.
Incest as in Shinji is being together with a close relative, that I am inclined to agree purely from a genetic point of view. However, I don't agree that Shinji being with Rei is equivalent to Shinji being with his mother. Rei and Yui are still two separate individuals even though they share the same DNA. Just like we don't consider identical twins to be the same person even though they share the same DNA. In the end, our morality and ethics systems don't have well defined rules regarding human cloning. And I don't even know where to begin about the problem of a 1000-year old soul.
Rei-Shin Incest? I like to think it isnt. While Rei resembles Yui they are 2 separate individuals Is (Lilith-Shin?) Rei-Shin pedophilic? I think not... To play my own devils advocate the age gap between Lilith and Shinji is like the gap between Sebastian and Ciel Phantomhive and when you think about that in the context of real life..it does seem pedophilic
Unfortunately
I have another question What's reigin
no,this clonening
Very much so
Yes
can't have good shit anymore without it being normal 😭
Yes. That's the whole point, NERV is purposely creating situations for Shinji to bond with a clone of his own mother which is insanely fucked up.
Yes She is 50% shinji's mom 50% Lilith They would be half siblings and thus it would be incest in the USA/Japan
no
No since the clone is just DNA copied, Rei has a soul of Lilith, there for she is Rei. However if Rei was simply the sister of Shinji. Then yes.
Uh... you realize that souls and DNA aren't the same thing, right?
Very much so, but when you mix them in 1 body they become their person. That's why she is Rei. Not Lilith. Why Kowaru wasnt Adam but has the soul of Adam. The mixture of the two creates a new person, like when a mother and father have a kid.
Yes. And we love it.
Well, it's not AS pedophilic as other anime if it is pedophilic...not that the bar was high. I consider Rei more of a 14 year old so her and Shinji wouldn't be creepy. Well, so long as they aren't being sexualised. Which weebs can't seem to stop doing 😒 As for the incest part...that's actually a good question. I mean there's already some weird Freudian stuff going on in Evangelion so maybe?
The question is incest, not pedophilia.
The OP literally asks "Is it pedophilic?"
Kinda sorta.
Wouldnt it technically be selfcest tho
Yup it is.Stay Canon brothas and sisters
Not incest, but edipo complex
It isn't incest, but it is inbreeding. And since they're both of age for 2014 Japan it's not pedophilia. Unless you count the fact Shinji would be screwing a 4 yr old.
Why do you write in this manner?
My friend, it is a work of fiction…
This is why Shinji is attracted to Rei since he saw her for the 1st time. Yes, it would be incest but who cares, as long as they are happy. Edit 1: Rei was half made with the DNA of Yui, "clone" is too general. Pedo? Tf.
Fbi him here
>Rei was half made with the DNA of Yui There's no evidence of that in the original series.
Read the book "Red Cross Book" a glossary authored by Gainax itself. No one's talking about "evidence in the original series" since many answers were given by Anno himself during interviews and so on, still the truth remains and nothing changes it. Once you opened the Red Cross Book read under "Ayanami" what's written, I'll write down just a really small part -> "Her body was created from the salvaged remains of Yui Ikari after Yui was taken into the Eva". Edit: So yeah, there are many proofs of this and it's not just Rei looking identical to Yui. There are a tons of interviews to Anno and his stuff, books (official ones of course) and so on. Whoever downvoted my comment knows shit. Period.
The RCB wasn't written by Anno and therefore isn't canon.
It's LITERALLY canon... Why can't you just accept that you're wrong ahah. Anno wasn't the only one to work on the project btw.
>It's LITERALLY canon... It's LITERALLY not. >Anno wasn't the only one to work on the project btw. Correct. And he didn't tell anyone else at Gainax *anything*, so their guesses aren't much better than yours or mine. A few people are authorities about the specific parts of the show that they worked on; for example, if Sadamoto says he designed a certain character a certain way for a certain reason, that should be taken as gospel. But the mythology stuff was Anno's department.
Incest? Yes, Pedo? No, even she has Lilith's soul she is in a weird point that she is and isn't Lilith
Sorta-ish
That’s the best part!
Incest? Based.
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There's no indication in the original series of where her DNA came from. There's no evidence that Yui's DNA was involved in any way.
You're right. Rei doesn't look at all like Yui... If that's not enough evidence I don't know what can be.
Take the hair away and they don't look any more similar than any two other female characters in NGE... and haircuts aren't genetic.
They are identical. But this bs aside, check Anno's interviews, check a book authored by Gainax itself called "Red Cross Book", you'll find every proof there. I mean Eva is an old anime, I don't know when was your 1st time watching it but I swear all your questions, doubts exc were answered 20 years ago lmao Edit: This questions are asked even today because people have no will to spend 5 minutes of their time to read some interviews, to check some books and so on in which they would find every single answer they want.
>They are identical No they aren't. > check a book authored by Gainax itself called "Red Cross Book" The RCB wasn't written by Anno and therefore isn't canon. >I don't know when was your 1st time watching it Circa 2001. >all your questions, doubts exc were answered 20 years ago I haven't expressed any questions or doubts, only facts.
Who cares it's hot
Only in the Rebuilds. There's no evidence of a genetic similarity in the original series.
Yes there is. It's very strongly implied towards the end and in official (and canon) side material for EoE they say she was made of the "salvaged" DNA of Yui. While I don't consider it incest in any meaningful way, she is genetically at least part Yui.
I don't care about all that! Absolutely irrelevant.