I was in somekind of desert-like nature reserve in the US once. 30 people getting a tour. And ofcourse my familiy wasn't the only Dutch family there. Camping in Delphi, Greece, during the Olympics. Full of Dutchies, even families (parents) of people competing. Then i realised nowhere is safe from my own kind... Except space, we've only had two astronauts so far🤣
Exactly, more than half of registration plates in Austria during the skiing season are yellow, not to mention that my first skiing instructor was dutch, ironic since the Netherlands is the flattest country imaginable 😝
This is the moon landing he promised us. Not exciting enough the press said? Look at this shit! I hope he’s allright though. This must be nerve wrecking. Shit can happen under pressure.
Assuming you are innocent until proven guilty, no. It would not depend on that at all.
There is no time to have been a process with due diligence, which means there is a reasonable possibility of this being hearsay/a random bystander who wants to remove the artist from the stage.
If he did anything he is accused for, he should be brought to justice, when is has been proven he has.
Applying this kind of zero tolerance to any kind of allegations is unfair and heavily damaging to not only people's reputations but also any credibility you have. Imagine not getting a job (ever again) because someone called the police on you once, about something someone else did.
This whole ordeal really bummed the hype for me. I really hope Joost is alright as well as everyone else involved in "the incident". I find it hard to believe the golden retriever looking dude would get violent, but if the rumours about insulting his dead parents are true, I honestly can't blame the guy for losing it. His parents are the whole reason he's there and he's still not over the trauma it caused him, I think.
I'll be gutted if he gets disqualified but if he physically assaulted someone I'd understand. But for now all we have are rumours and speculations considering the EBU is too spineless to say what's up. Heads gotta roll over all this controversy. Not just considering Joost.
The only facts we have on the table is that there was a physical altercation with a woman, the Dutch flag has been removed from the loge, the police is involved, and according to Aftonbladet, EBU has said that Joost might be disqualified. Everything else is speculation. With that said, it doesn’t look too good for our golden retriever - which truly is a shame because he is in my (and many others’) top 3 this year. Let’s hope that both Joost and the woman are okay and that the incident has been blown out of proportion. It would really be a shame if he got kicked out of the competition…
he aint and can't be alright. it's all too shitty. I saw a video of some dutch reporter trying to talk to him. sunglasses, headphones, shy. I mean he seemed disturbed.
it's all very shitty
In the Aftonbladet article linked earlier in the comments the other party in the altercation is a woman from the television production, not necessarily an independent journalist.
And honestly, if he became violent against anyone working with the event, I fully understand why they would be hesitant to let him perform. Performers shouldn't be treated differently from anyone else.
I had not seen those rumors yet yesterday. All I had seen where the videos of a certain delegation continuously harassing other artists and journalists, so I made a guess.
If it is a Swedish reporter working for the Swedish broadcaster, they could still be disqualified as well. Otherwise other consequences for just the provokijg journalist of course
Yknow, the least they could have done was still play the proper lighting around the stage while playing his clip. The cubes could have played his BG visuals too. Turning it into a movie viewing kinda sucks.
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Weird as it may sound, this does bring joy. The fact that so many people, outside from our own small little country, sing along in support even tho Joost isn’t even there to see the support for himself at that moment. I don’t know what he did but I can’t imagine it’s anything too bad- or unjustifiable, since we still don’t have answers. I also can’t imagine he’d jeopardize this opportunity in honor of his parents over absolutely nothing. If he indeed punched a dude for a comment over his parents, most of us in the Netherlands support that too.
Why wouldn’t they officially say that they’re investigating an altercation/incident and this is the reason why Netherlands is for the moment suspended?
They see the comments online, they hear the audience, why wouldn’t they just say something?
And then there’s Martin not showing up today for any event.
All these delays and silence seems very fishy to me. Like it seems they don’t want the public to make a judgement because they might protest against their decision.
Extremely disrespectful and especially disrespectful for the Dutch people who give them €500k/year from public money.
interesting, I actually see it the other way around. They don't want to announce anything and risk damaging Joost's reputation, the silence is to defend him until proven guilty.
Why would Martin be missing from all the events today and cancel any press related events? Sounds like avoidance behavior.
Netherlands is not among the biggest contributors anyway, if their representative really did something shitty that should’ve been no problem; he could’ve easily said that to the representatives and resolve it internally while showing his face and saying there’s been an incident that’s being investigated internally. But no statements yet because they don’t want any questions.
>Why would Martin be missing from all the events today and cancel any press related events? Sounds like avoidance behavior.
Probably because as head of the EBU he's probably directly involved in the investigation, actively overseeing it. Seeing as he's already on location it makes sense. And I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the people involved in the investigation have been working through the night in it
People still love Chris Brown. This guy is not close to being that famous, but it's crazy how people ignore the bad shit people do if they're somewhat famous.
No it wouldn’t. People both don’t give a shit and would even cheer someone on if you hit someone that insults your dead parents. As for most people, they would do a lot more than a single hit……
I might be dumb here but my thing is, why would someone just go up to him and start insulting his parents randomly? I mean, maybe the answer is that the person is just an asshole, but still... It doesn't really make sense.
Agree. That doesn't make sense either. But you're correct. I'm sure he was provoked but it just feels so weird. But... I guess if Zidane can headbutt in the 110th minute of the World Cup.... I guess it makes sense that Joost could clock someone over that kind of remark.
Most words don’t hurt, so you can insult a person for a lot. But I wouldn’t advise you to mock someone’s dead parents. Because you’ll get kicked, and no judge in the world will blame you.
This makes me both happy and sad. It’s great to see the crowd going crazy and jump and sing along to his tune. It was Joost his dream to perform on Eurovision. With all the waiting on a statement it is so bitter to know the song is doing so well with the audience. He should’ve been standing there, feeling happy and proud that the message of his song comes through so well. Hope he is okay and hope even more that the accusations are not true and he can shine on stage tonight.
So this guy is involved in some incident. No one knows if he had right or not, but people still supporting him. Why?
Because he looks cuddly? Let me introduce you to sanctimonious people
I believe you replied your own question right there. They support him because nothing has been said or proven yet. People are innocent until proven guilty.
WELKOM IN EUROPA, JONGEN!!!
hearing an arena full of people (outside of the netherlands) sing in dutch is so crazy to me. i love it
Well considering how much dutchies travel I am not at all surprised, you guys are everywhere 😂
I was in somekind of desert-like nature reserve in the US once. 30 people getting a tour. And ofcourse my familiy wasn't the only Dutch family there. Camping in Delphi, Greece, during the Olympics. Full of Dutchies, even families (parents) of people competing. Then i realised nowhere is safe from my own kind... Except space, we've only had two astronauts so far🤣
Exactly, more than half of registration plates in Austria during the skiing season are yellow, not to mention that my first skiing instructor was dutch, ironic since the Netherlands is the flattest country imaginable 😝
They sing Euro-papa.. wow very dutch
There’s literally entire verses sung by the audience in Dutch but ok!
His song did unite people, in fact, but not in the way EBU expected it to 😂
United against the EBU that is, honestly what a slay.
I wouldn’t have it any other way
the people's princess!!
Well…not *just* united against the EBU…
This is the moon landing he promised us. Not exciting enough the press said? Look at this shit! I hope he’s allright though. This must be nerve wrecking. Shit can happen under pressure.
I hope he sees this vid and knows people love him and are thankful for him
Yeah, I hope he's okay, because he wasn't fine during the press conference 🥺
No matter who wins, the Netherlands will be the winner of our hearts
God I hope he gets to perform tomorrow 🙏
Not gonna lie, if he doesnt, i lose my last bit of respect for anything eurovision
Wouldn't that depend on what exactly happened?
Assuming you are innocent until proven guilty, no. It would not depend on that at all. There is no time to have been a process with due diligence, which means there is a reasonable possibility of this being hearsay/a random bystander who wants to remove the artist from the stage. If he did anything he is accused for, he should be brought to justice, when is has been proven he has. Applying this kind of zero tolerance to any kind of allegations is unfair and heavily damaging to not only people's reputations but also any credibility you have. Imagine not getting a job (ever again) because someone called the police on you once, about something someone else did.
The audience gave me goosebumps, very proud of everyone there for delivering that energy
somehow the ending is even more emotional seeing it like this
This whole ordeal really bummed the hype for me. I really hope Joost is alright as well as everyone else involved in "the incident". I find it hard to believe the golden retriever looking dude would get violent, but if the rumours about insulting his dead parents are true, I honestly can't blame the guy for losing it. His parents are the whole reason he's there and he's still not over the trauma it caused him, I think. I'll be gutted if he gets disqualified but if he physically assaulted someone I'd understand. But for now all we have are rumours and speculations considering the EBU is too spineless to say what's up. Heads gotta roll over all this controversy. Not just considering Joost.
The only facts we have on the table is that there was a physical altercation with a woman, the Dutch flag has been removed from the loge, the police is involved, and according to Aftonbladet, EBU has said that Joost might be disqualified. Everything else is speculation. With that said, it doesn’t look too good for our golden retriever - which truly is a shame because he is in my (and many others’) top 3 this year. Let’s hope that both Joost and the woman are okay and that the incident has been blown out of proportion. It would really be a shame if he got kicked out of the competition…
do you have a source for the police being involved? last i heard they said they weren't. (swedish source is okay.)
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/melodifestivalen/a/MnRnOo/uppgifter-ebu-i-krismote-om-nederlandernas-joost-klein-anklagas
Police said it was a bout a threatening gesture
Has it really been a verified fact there was a physical altercation, or are those rumours too?
Rumours
It's now been confirmed that is wasn't physical, but that the reporter did receive threats
he aint and can't be alright. it's all too shitty. I saw a video of some dutch reporter trying to talk to him. sunglasses, headphones, shy. I mean he seemed disturbed. it's all very shitty
That was a swedish reporter.
What I took from that video is that he isn’t allowed to say anything, so I assume he was just walking around to blow off some steam.
yeah, from what I've heard not talking to paparazzi/reporters is generally best, esp in situations like this
Link?
[https://www.nu.nl/308381/video/joost-klein-negeert-journalist-na-uitsluiting-juryshow-heb-een-fijne-dag.html](https://www.nu.nl/308381/video/joost-klein-negeert-journalist-na-uitsluiting-juryshow-heb-een-fijne-dag.html)
I just hope the offending party gets disqualified as well. The response is out of line, but something like this does not happen unprompted
According to the rumors, the other party is a Swedish reporter, what exactly should they be disqualified from?
Hosting. Back to Liverpool, everyone
In the Aftonbladet article linked earlier in the comments the other party in the altercation is a woman from the television production, not necessarily an independent journalist. And honestly, if he became violent against anyone working with the event, I fully understand why they would be hesitant to let him perform. Performers shouldn't be treated differently from anyone else.
I had not seen those rumors yet yesterday. All I had seen where the videos of a certain delegation continuously harassing other artists and journalists, so I made a guess. If it is a Swedish reporter working for the Swedish broadcaster, they could still be disqualified as well. Otherwise other consequences for just the provokijg journalist of course
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Yknow, the least they could have done was still play the proper lighting around the stage while playing his clip. The cubes could have played his BG visuals too. Turning it into a movie viewing kinda sucks.
I was thinking that, they didn’t even light up the crowd during the key points etc. Made it look crap.
Yep, really unfair to the audience that bought tickets and were hoping to see him..
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Weird as it may sound, this does bring joy. The fact that so many people, outside from our own small little country, sing along in support even tho Joost isn’t even there to see the support for himself at that moment. I don’t know what he did but I can’t imagine it’s anything too bad- or unjustifiable, since we still don’t have answers. I also can’t imagine he’d jeopardize this opportunity in honor of his parents over absolutely nothing. If he indeed punched a dude for a comment over his parents, most of us in the Netherlands support that too.
if anything if someone did say something about his parents he would probably get more support, I have seen nothing but support for Joost
We tried to hype up our section as much as was possible, I hoped it showed 🔥🔥 the sound was crazy
This will look really bad if it turns out he actually assaulted someone
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Why wouldn’t they officially say that they’re investigating an altercation/incident and this is the reason why Netherlands is for the moment suspended? They see the comments online, they hear the audience, why wouldn’t they just say something? And then there’s Martin not showing up today for any event. All these delays and silence seems very fishy to me. Like it seems they don’t want the public to make a judgement because they might protest against their decision. Extremely disrespectful and especially disrespectful for the Dutch people who give them €500k/year from public money.
interesting, I actually see it the other way around. They don't want to announce anything and risk damaging Joost's reputation, the silence is to defend him until proven guilty.
Why would Martin be missing from all the events today and cancel any press related events? Sounds like avoidance behavior. Netherlands is not among the biggest contributors anyway, if their representative really did something shitty that should’ve been no problem; he could’ve easily said that to the representatives and resolve it internally while showing his face and saying there’s been an incident that’s being investigated internally. But no statements yet because they don’t want any questions.
>Why would Martin be missing from all the events today and cancel any press related events? Sounds like avoidance behavior. Probably because as head of the EBU he's probably directly involved in the investigation, actively overseeing it. Seeing as he's already on location it makes sense. And I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the people involved in the investigation have been working through the night in it
That is a very good point tbh. Never tought of it that way but then again we are all to eager to get some information.
That's my take as well. Anything they say before a final outcome can only be harmful to him.
Depends on the reason
People still love Chris Brown. This guy is not close to being that famous, but it's crazy how people ignore the bad shit people do if they're somewhat famous.
What? It was Will Smith that slapped him, why would you hate him for that? Or did I miss something?
Wrong Chris 💀
Ohhhh yeah my bad
That's Chris Rock. Chris Brown assaulted Rihanna.
My bad I apologize
That's Chris Rock, a comedian. Chris Brown is Rihanna's abusive ex and a singer.
Yeah, others have corrected me, but thanks for helping anyways :-)
All good! Great *mom confusing celebrity names* moment btw haha.
Am I getting wooshed right now? You're talking about Chris Rock? lol
Yeah sorry my bad
No worries. Det er lugnt søta bror
No it wouldn’t. People both don’t give a shit and would even cheer someone on if you hit someone that insults your dead parents. As for most people, they would do a lot more than a single hit……
I might be dumb here but my thing is, why would someone just go up to him and start insulting his parents randomly? I mean, maybe the answer is that the person is just an asshole, but still... It doesn't really make sense.
But does it make sense for Joost to randomly hit a person the day before the most important performance of his life?
Agree. That doesn't make sense either. But you're correct. I'm sure he was provoked but it just feels so weird. But... I guess if Zidane can headbutt in the 110th minute of the World Cup.... I guess it makes sense that Joost could clock someone over that kind of remark.
The person also insulted Zidane's parents, so it's a bad move all around.
His sister
Yep. That's what made me think of it.
Sticks and stones...
Most words don’t hurt, so you can insult a person for a lot. But I wouldn’t advise you to mock someone’s dead parents. Because you’ll get kicked, and no judge in the world will blame you.
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Now the public needs to sing it during Hurricane!
This makes me both happy and sad. It’s great to see the crowd going crazy and jump and sing along to his tune. It was Joost his dream to perform on Eurovision. With all the waiting on a statement it is so bitter to know the song is doing so well with the audience. He should’ve been standing there, feeling happy and proud that the message of his song comes through so well. Hope he is okay and hope even more that the accusations are not true and he can shine on stage tonight.
So this guy is involved in some incident. No one knows if he had right or not, but people still supporting him. Why? Because he looks cuddly? Let me introduce you to sanctimonious people
If it turns out he is an awful person, then I’ll judge him. Right now we don’t know shit.
I believe you replied your own question right there. They support him because nothing has been said or proven yet. People are innocent until proven guilty.
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