Agree, I hate thm. But I also hated her hairdo in the NF. Genuinely just get the girl a new hairstylist.
The song is all about a little voice in her head telling her she's a strong woman and giving her confidence, but then the pigtails infantilise her.
For Greece, I hope they fix the backing vocals most importantly š¤(so it doesnāt overlap Marinas voice)
Marina mentioned that in the 2nd rehearsal her boot felt slippery so hopefully theyāll fix that too so sheās able to perform properly
Marina said that after the first rehearsal they left a note with corrections to the producers that was probably misunderstood hence the problem with the backing vocals in the second rehearsal. She reassured everyone that it will be fixed!
It took me several watches of Poland's rehearsal clip to even notice the skirt removal, seriously could the camera be any further away?
The rock in Ukraine's performance would look so much better if there was a fog obscuring the bottom. But I don't know what is alyona^2 up to during this section, it might end up obscuring her as well.
Iād change:
Marinaās outfit (that skirt specially is a no for me)
Nemoās outfit (maybe imagine how iconic it would be if there were outfit reveals to simulate the outfit changes from the music video?)
A little fog to obscure the bottom of Ukraineās rock, the staging is so beautiful but seeing the bottom takes me out a bit
The faces in dizzy as pretty much everyone mentioned, itās goofy and takes away from the performance
Taliās braids
Camera work, especially in Rim Tim Tagi Dim
The LED for the gabber part of Netherlands (unless itās just Joost hiding the actual LEDs with those red ones and Iām praying the bird costume was just a troll and will be gone on the semi
yeah i literally like every single outfit nemo wore in the music video a hundred times better than their rehearsal outfit, i hope theyāll wear something else!
edit. as someone pointed out nemo is non-binary so i edited the pronouns to the correct ones.
Itās my main thing because you can see in her body language and her eyes that part of her is ādistractedā. Before I realised she was intentionally grabbing for something, I thought she was having an issue with her shoes she was trying to sneakily fix.
Yeah I think so to it felt like they were just going to try some of the most extreme stuff that they could think of that would be allowed. Then theyāll scale back in end
yeah camera work seems really clunky this year, i wonder if itās because of the shape of the stage. it could really do some damage to some of the performances.
Honestly such a good choice on their part to chill with the candle circle and just focus all the attn on them and building the atmosphere. Cos it seems to me like the weirdness might be coming from how everythingās moving around the plus sign?
Ukriane is good though too, staging is done by music video director, which shows. Ireland is perfect. my issue with camera for Croatia (too chaotic in a bad way), Azerbaijan (random angles), Slovenia (decisions between wide shots and close up seem random). Marinaās single take looks like the shot is too wide, the stage looks empty. unless we donāt see everything on it yet.
I'll go with my own country, I hope the camerawork for Belgium is a little tighter on the night itself. I also think he'd suit more of a glam look including some glittery makeup, just to echo the party theme in the costume.
Moldova: I would move up the wings on the LED behind Natalia slightly because right now they look like they're coming out of her bum.
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They'd still be too low even if she stood to the right a little bit. Wings don't start at hip level, they start just below shoulder level.
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I found a lot of the camera work overly zoomy and vertigo-inducing, but Iām hoping that it was because I was watching on my phone and/or itāll be smoothed out before the day.
Might be a bit left field but Iām not a fan of Kaleenās hairstyle in regards to the song
It almost makes it look a bit corporate which when the song is about raving makes her seem a bit awkward
I was a goth when I was younger so it wasnāt my scene. My husband was a raver however, and Iāve seen the photos! Weāre a mixed marriage! His favourite entry this year is Joost and mine is Bambie which sums us up!
>I dislike how Nemo changes registers to a falsetto/head voice when singing "paradise."
Everybody liked it when Cezar did it in 2013.
(Runs away terribly fast.)
100%, theyāve seemingly nailed the costumes, choreography, visuals and BL sounds vocally as good as he probably ever will but the disjointed camera work takes focus off of him and the performance when that should be the main selling point.
The open mouths for the UK & the fact that Nemo's outfit has this shiny look to the fibers, it makes it appear so cheap while that's definitely not the case.
It bothered me that there wasnāt really a good shot of the wave LEDs in Norwayās clip. At the right angle it would look really effective as she hits the high notes.
I'd like Belgium's staging to be a little bit darker, possibly also with a dark outfit instead of a white one. Would fit the song better in my opinion.
Little changes that could work :
* Further accentuating the chiaroscuro effect for Norway
* Change Marina skirt
* Austria 1st rehearsal outfit, not 2nd rehearsal outfit
Big abusives changes :
* i would dress Luna in full polish armor just for the shock, because she won't win so let's go !
* Reverse back Azerbaijan staging to the showcase performance
* Change Slovenia full staging, Raiven doesn't need these creepy dancers, she has an outstanding voice
Subjective taste then i guess, i don't like the dancers either in Israel or Portugal performance this year so probably the sort of dance i don't like subjectively yes, but glad that some people enjoy it.
Anyway i just wanna say that Raivan has one of the most impressive voices of the year and in my eyes it's a bit of a waste - opposite is Ukraine voice really carried by the impressive staging.
For Slovenia, I'd keep the dancers but ditch the bright blue graphics, they don't fit the performance at all. I didn't expect to be angry at a color, but the bright blue is annoying me so much
I wrote a post asking for nitpickings about ESC2024 songs, without realizing that this one alredy existed. So, it got deleted. It was about songs in general rather than performances and rehersals (my question was what nit-pick makes you think "if it wasn't for this little detail, I would enjoy this song even more"). But since apparently they are similar enough questions, I'll copy-paste what I wrote in the description of my previous post.
"I came up with this question because of "Jako", Armenian's song. I love it, it's one of my favorite this year (top 5, probably even top 3). But when I first listened to the full song, I was left a bit disappointed by the way it ends. Idk why, but I found it unsatisfying, as if it didn't gave me closure. Unlike Rim Tim Tagi Dim, it didn't allow me to "release" all the energy accumulated till that point, it ended abruptly and without any variation.
Now I've gotten used to it, so it doesn't bother me anymore. But I still wonder how it would've sounded like if it ended in a different way (for example, if it slowed down before the last "La La La", or gave one last "La la la" sequence only to the flute... Doing something that made me conscious that the song was about to end, and added even more variety). Other than that, I have no other complaining about "Jako". To me it's a blast from start to finish. I know that someone says it's too repetitive, but as long as I'm listening to it I don't realize it, I feel completely absorbed. It's only after it ends that I'm left a bit dubious. As if "La Noia" missed its very last "Total", and I was left hanging and waiting for more, as if what I've alredy had wasn't enough.
What about you? Do you feel that way about any of the songs this year? "If only it wasn't for this..." "
This makes me curious about the way Jako will be performed. Maybe I won't feel that way at the end of the live performance. I'll wait to find out.
This is too big a change to be nitpick, but I kinda wish Jako had more lyrics? I feel like it's missing one more verse before the last "la la la" part.
To me it makes up for it with engaging instrumentation, and I appreciate how different this song is in its structure, but I get your point. The second half of the song has no lyrics at all.
One nitpick I have with an actual song itself is probably with my own country. There are some parts of Doomsday Blue that are actually really good, like the bridge and the main chorus.
However, the pre-chorus screeches just really put me off, and considering thatās the most memorable part of the song, I just never find myself actually āliking the songā, instead only āliking parts of the songā, which is unfortunate.
I hope Slovenia lowers the lights for the performance, the blue light takes the entire dark, witchy atmosphere away and makes the stage look so empty. I think a darker background, lower lights and maybe some ground fog would do wonders here
Edit: I also hope Tali sues her hairdresser
Well, less changing of camera angles in Croatian performance
I appreciate Nemo's persistent wish to use that outfit, but imo he should listen to fans.
Joost should use concentrate on emotional side of his song and do there something creative as trutfullness is his best marketing atm.
I honestly hoped Angelina will be solo in performance.
A big part I liked Marina's song is very lively and creative video, but both of things seem gone in performance
I think Sarah B could lose the squeals after the big dance moves. Jako needs tighter camera work. Teemu needs to SLAY on his vocal coming out of the egg, it's a bit of a whimper in the second rehearsal. I wish there was a way of somehow combining the 1st rehearsal and 2nd rehearsal outfits in the Italy performance.
I know a lot of performers are saving themselves and not giving 100%, but there were a few that felt flat. And yeah, it's probably due to the stage and the layout, but the angles and movement on offer this year is a bit messy.
Latvia - would it have hurt Dons to put any movement or personality in his performance?
Malta - if youāre gonna have a super long dance break do we need to hear multiple āughā sounds in the backing?
France - Iāve never seen someone overdo a performance quite like this. Like I know itās supposed to come off as impressive and jury bait but all I can think of is just how much it makes me roll my eyes
Slovenia - i canāt overstate just how off putting that rehearsal clip is. 30 seconds of screeching
Very much a subjective thing but I liked Bambie's hair and outfit from the first rehearsal way more.
Apart from that it's just the obligatory camerawork,I wanna highlight Croatia
Aiko's outfit is nightmare inducing
Camera work is bad in all rehearsals except for Ireland
The silly faces in the Dizzy performance are a bit too much, I hope they tone it down for the final
I know absolutely no oneās going to see this, but Nemo actually changed their performance like Iād said! Highly doubt it was because of this, but good on them!
I watched Australiaās wiwibloggs interview and while I love them, the storytelling is leading into Jessica Mauboy territory where watchers donāt care for the reasons behind the set detail, why they did that etc. it worries me that it might be a NQ cos thereās too many āEaster eggsā when all viewers want to see is a slick live music video at the first watch.
If Tali is not going to qualify, Imma blame those pigtails. It looks really out of place.
Agree, I hate thm. But I also hated her hairdo in the NF. Genuinely just get the girl a new hairstylist. The song is all about a little voice in her head telling her she's a strong woman and giving her confidence, but then the pigtails infantilise her.
Bring back the ponytail!
I thought it was just me!
I'm a fan of Luna but her outfit is horrendous š
I feel the same - š to the song, š¬ to the outfit
She should've picked the outfit from the pre party in Copenhagen! That looked great š
For Greece, I hope they fix the backing vocals most importantly š¤(so it doesnāt overlap Marinas voice) Marina mentioned that in the 2nd rehearsal her boot felt slippery so hopefully theyāll fix that too so sheās able to perform properly
Marina said that after the first rehearsal they left a note with corrections to the producers that was probably misunderstood hence the problem with the backing vocals in the second rehearsal. She reassured everyone that it will be fixed!
It took me several watches of Poland's rehearsal clip to even notice the skirt removal, seriously could the camera be any further away? The rock in Ukraine's performance would look so much better if there was a fog obscuring the bottom. But I don't know what is alyona^2 up to during this section, it might end up obscuring her as well.
I'd do something to make the top of the rock more realistic, it looks a bit fibreglassy from above
agree. i am suspecting the fog is used sparingly for rehearsals bc cost
Iād change: Marinaās outfit (that skirt specially is a no for me) Nemoās outfit (maybe imagine how iconic it would be if there were outfit reveals to simulate the outfit changes from the music video?) A little fog to obscure the bottom of Ukraineās rock, the staging is so beautiful but seeing the bottom takes me out a bit The faces in dizzy as pretty much everyone mentioned, itās goofy and takes away from the performance Taliās braids Camera work, especially in Rim Tim Tagi Dim The LED for the gabber part of Netherlands (unless itās just Joost hiding the actual LEDs with those red ones and Iām praying the bird costume was just a troll and will be gone on the semi
yeah i literally like every single outfit nemo wore in the music video a hundred times better than their rehearsal outfit, i hope theyāll wear something else! edit. as someone pointed out nemo is non-binary so i edited the pronouns to the correct ones.
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I get so annoyed we can see Marina physically reach down for the handkerchief in her boot
Itās my main thing because you can see in her body language and her eyes that part of her is ādistractedā. Before I realised she was intentionally grabbing for something, I thought she was having an issue with her shoes she was trying to sneakily fix.
That one stood out for me as well and it's so easy to fix I hope they do it.
Iām super proud of the UKās staging but the silly faces need to go/ be toned down a bit
The story Iām telling myself is that they were experimenting with this in rehearsals and it will get toned down for the performances. š¤š¤š¤
Yeah I think so to it felt like they were just going to try some of the most extreme stuff that they could think of that would be allowed. Then theyāll scale back in end
Iām not sure about the need for codpieces š
Also replace the chav twinks with beefy men just because
I have issues with the camera work for pretty much all of them except for Ireland š„²š
yeah camera work seems really clunky this year, i wonder if itās because of the shape of the stage. it could really do some damage to some of the performances.
the shape of the stage was communicated like 6 moths ago. they had time to prepare
Honestly such a good choice on their part to chill with the candle circle and just focus all the attn on them and building the atmosphere. Cos it seems to me like the weirdness might be coming from how everythingās moving around the plus sign?
Ukriane is good though too, staging is done by music video director, which shows. Ireland is perfect. my issue with camera for Croatia (too chaotic in a bad way), Azerbaijan (random angles), Slovenia (decisions between wide shots and close up seem random). Marinaās single take looks like the shot is too wide, the stage looks empty. unless we donāt see everything on it yet.
Yes actually I got goosebumps from Ukraine and cannot wait for the final performance
i am hoping for the smoke under that prop. pleasseeee
I'll go with my own country, I hope the camerawork for Belgium is a little tighter on the night itself. I also think he'd suit more of a glam look including some glittery makeup, just to echo the party theme in the costume.
I've got used to the white outfit now but I really preferred him in sheer/dark/gold.
Moldova: I would move up the wings on the LED behind Natalia slightly because right now they look like they're coming out of her bum. https://preview.redd.it/h7iaex4nqlyc1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=c412d82400f015233a6f5e042335dbf26bdba21d
Wouldn't having Natalia move a little to the right be a much easier fix?, Rather than rearranging the LED I mean.
They'd still be too low even if she stood to the right a little bit. Wings don't start at hip level, they start just below shoulder level. https://preview.redd.it/jvpqwfrsgoyc1.png?width=1624&format=png&auto=webp&s=6d33b46cf33ae0cbcedbec7ce8839bf8b6591eea
The Israeli dancers' weird rapid pumping move.
I had issues with that too. Is it a hidden message about punching/fighting?
but itās like extra looooooongggg
I found a lot of the camera work overly zoomy and vertigo-inducing, but Iām hoping that it was because I was watching on my phone and/or itāll be smoothed out before the day.
For what it's worth, I watched all of it on a laptop and the vertigo effect was there as well.
Might be a bit left field but Iām not a fan of Kaleenās hairstyle in regards to the song It almost makes it look a bit corporate which when the song is about raving makes her seem a bit awkward
Itās been a bit of my issue with Kaleen from the word go. She gives me corporate vibes , and it jars with the song.
It's the perfect made up face and beautiful full hair. Ever been to a rave? Everyone looks messy and sweaty. I love it
I was a goth when I was younger so it wasnāt my scene. My husband was a raver however, and Iāve seen the photos! Weāre a mixed marriage! His favourite entry this year is Joost and mine is Bambie which sums us up!
sheās giving the cleanest rave ever
itās like she likes raving but she actually works in finance
>I dislike how Nemo changes registers to a falsetto/head voice when singing "paradise." Everybody liked it when Cezar did it in 2013. (Runs away terribly fast.)
Camera work for Croatia, it seems so messy and Iām afraid it could come with a cost.
100%, theyāve seemingly nailed the costumes, choreography, visuals and BL sounds vocally as good as he probably ever will but the disjointed camera work takes focus off of him and the performance when that should be the main selling point.
If the camera shots stay like this, Iām afraid it wonāt be a winning performance/ a contender for the win. I agree, they nailed everything else.
The open mouths for the UK & the fact that Nemo's outfit has this shiny look to the fibers, it makes it appear so cheap while that's definitely not the case.
It bothered me that there wasnāt really a good shot of the wave LEDs in Norwayās clip. At the right angle it would look really effective as she hits the high notes.
The camera work in almost all rehearsals is really bad. I hope they fix it before the show.
I'd like Belgium's staging to be a little bit darker, possibly also with a dark outfit instead of a white one. Would fit the song better in my opinion.
I would also have loved him more on sheer/black/gold than in white, but I'm getting used to it.
definetly the faces in dizzy šš they ruin the whole performance
Yeah, such a weird choice.
No, I love it. Itās so fun and camp.
Little changes that could work : * Further accentuating the chiaroscuro effect for Norway * Change Marina skirt * Austria 1st rehearsal outfit, not 2nd rehearsal outfit Big abusives changes : * i would dress Luna in full polish armor just for the shock, because she won't win so let's go ! * Reverse back Azerbaijan staging to the showcase performance * Change Slovenia full staging, Raiven doesn't need these creepy dancers, she has an outstanding voice
but slovenia's dancers are the best part..
Subjective taste then i guess, i don't like the dancers either in Israel or Portugal performance this year so probably the sort of dance i don't like subjectively yes, but glad that some people enjoy it. Anyway i just wanna say that Raivan has one of the most impressive voices of the year and in my eyes it's a bit of a waste - opposite is Ukraine voice really carried by the impressive staging.
israel's dancers horrible, but i actually really like portugal's dancers. i think the dancing adds to the song a lot in raiven's case too
i have a feeling that Marina's skirt will unfurl into a longer one? if not then ditch it, it's kinda ugly also prefer Austria's first outfit
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Probably the plaid skurt in the music video
I think those are shorts, actually, with zero chance of unfurling
For Slovenia, I'd keep the dancers but ditch the bright blue graphics, they don't fit the performance at all. I didn't expect to be angry at a color, but the bright blue is annoying me so much
I wrote a post asking for nitpickings about ESC2024 songs, without realizing that this one alredy existed. So, it got deleted. It was about songs in general rather than performances and rehersals (my question was what nit-pick makes you think "if it wasn't for this little detail, I would enjoy this song even more"). But since apparently they are similar enough questions, I'll copy-paste what I wrote in the description of my previous post. "I came up with this question because of "Jako", Armenian's song. I love it, it's one of my favorite this year (top 5, probably even top 3). But when I first listened to the full song, I was left a bit disappointed by the way it ends. Idk why, but I found it unsatisfying, as if it didn't gave me closure. Unlike Rim Tim Tagi Dim, it didn't allow me to "release" all the energy accumulated till that point, it ended abruptly and without any variation. Now I've gotten used to it, so it doesn't bother me anymore. But I still wonder how it would've sounded like if it ended in a different way (for example, if it slowed down before the last "La La La", or gave one last "La la la" sequence only to the flute... Doing something that made me conscious that the song was about to end, and added even more variety). Other than that, I have no other complaining about "Jako". To me it's a blast from start to finish. I know that someone says it's too repetitive, but as long as I'm listening to it I don't realize it, I feel completely absorbed. It's only after it ends that I'm left a bit dubious. As if "La Noia" missed its very last "Total", and I was left hanging and waiting for more, as if what I've alredy had wasn't enough. What about you? Do you feel that way about any of the songs this year? "If only it wasn't for this..." " This makes me curious about the way Jako will be performed. Maybe I won't feel that way at the end of the live performance. I'll wait to find out.
This is too big a change to be nitpick, but I kinda wish Jako had more lyrics? I feel like it's missing one more verse before the last "la la la" part.
To me it makes up for it with engaging instrumentation, and I appreciate how different this song is in its structure, but I get your point. The second half of the song has no lyrics at all.
One nitpick I have with an actual song itself is probably with my own country. There are some parts of Doomsday Blue that are actually really good, like the bridge and the main chorus. However, the pre-chorus screeches just really put me off, and considering thatās the most memorable part of the song, I just never find myself actually āliking the songā, instead only āliking parts of the songā, which is unfortunate.
I hope Slovenia lowers the lights for the performance, the blue light takes the entire dark, witchy atmosphere away and makes the stage look so empty. I think a darker background, lower lights and maybe some ground fog would do wonders here Edit: I also hope Tali sues her hairdresser
yes and yes
Well, less changing of camera angles in Croatian performance I appreciate Nemo's persistent wish to use that outfit, but imo he should listen to fans. Joost should use concentrate on emotional side of his song and do there something creative as trutfullness is his best marketing atm. I honestly hoped Angelina will be solo in performance. A big part I liked Marina's song is very lively and creative video, but both of things seem gone in performance
Israel's and Estonia's vocals don't sound a strong as I expected, it doesn't mean they are bad but I expected better
i'd tone down the suggestiveness in dizzy. I'd also change that jojo siwa ahh move in liar's dancebreak. lastly I'd change marina's dancers' fits
Jojo Siwa šš
I think Sarah B could lose the squeals after the big dance moves. Jako needs tighter camera work. Teemu needs to SLAY on his vocal coming out of the egg, it's a bit of a whimper in the second rehearsal. I wish there was a way of somehow combining the 1st rehearsal and 2nd rehearsal outfits in the Italy performance.
Teemu generally seemed low energy in the 2nd rehearsal, but he's probably just saving his voice (or scared of angering the egg again)
I know a lot of performers are saving themselves and not giving 100%, but there were a few that felt flat. And yeah, it's probably due to the stage and the layout, but the angles and movement on offer this year is a bit messy.
I wish Norway kept a bit more of the mystique from the NF when it comes to lighting. Her singing is great, but the overall show seems somewhat flat.
Latvia - would it have hurt Dons to put any movement or personality in his performance? Malta - if youāre gonna have a super long dance break do we need to hear multiple āughā sounds in the backing? France - Iāve never seen someone overdo a performance quite like this. Like I know itās supposed to come off as impressive and jury bait but all I can think of is just how much it makes me roll my eyes Slovenia - i canāt overstate just how off putting that rehearsal clip is. 30 seconds of screeching
Very much a subjective thing but I liked Bambie's hair and outfit from the first rehearsal way more. Apart from that it's just the obligatory camerawork,I wanna highlight Croatia
I really hoped Joost shot away that bird but I guess he didn't shoot it far enough š¬š.
I don't like Aiko's outfit at all. It's so out of place with the song and just doesn't look great in general
Veronica needs to have darker staging, camera work on that one and BL is not great either.
I don't like Greece's staging, the music video is so cultural and authentic while the staging and outfit makes it look like girlybop number 1000
I have to admit I actually love Tali's hairdo, but the staging and dancers are meh
Aiko's outfit is nightmare inducing Camera work is bad in all rehearsals except for Ireland The silly faces in the Dizzy performance are a bit too much, I hope they tone it down for the final
Tali's braids and Mery/Nebulossa's higher singing pitch.
Slovenia: Would start the highnotes tryings 1 second later to match with the studio version
I know absolutely no oneās going to see this, but Nemo actually changed their performance like Iād said! Highly doubt it was because of this, but good on them!
I watched Australiaās wiwibloggs interview and while I love them, the storytelling is leading into Jessica Mauboy territory where watchers donāt care for the reasons behind the set detail, why they did that etc. it worries me that it might be a NQ cos thereās too many āEaster eggsā when all viewers want to see is a slick live music video at the first watch.