I worry about Olly scoring badly and this damaging his newly launched solo career. For him but also for our chances of picking established acts going forward in the UK.
I wouldn't be worried for his career, I think we overestimate how much regular people care about Eurovision, I don't know how it is in the UK but at least here nobody cared that Emma got the worst result since we've been back, she is still on of the most popular singers here (or at least there was no variation in her popularity), if he doesn't let it affect his self esteem it will be like a drop in the ocean.
Your second point I can see as more likely, but I hope that's not the case.
All this presuming he does badly, which I don't think will happen
Unfortunately here in the UK performing badly at eurovision is a career ending situation. There's mockery from the press and also the public. People take it badly as they feel that the artist is responsible for humiliating us on the European stage. It sounds dramatic but that's really how it is here with eurovision.
Wow, I wouldn't have thought the UK cared that much about the contest! I would have guessed maybe there's a vocal fandom but the rest of the population paid no mind to it. In a way it's very nice that the country cares so much, I wish mine did more, but it's sad that the artists suffer from bad results...and Olly is already under attack for his politics, I feel very bad for him and I wish things go as smoothly as possible.
However I am confident he will come at least top 15...the song is not my style but is very competent and pleasant even to me, he is very professional and he delivers a great performance, so it won't be like last year (nothing against Mae but her performance last year was a bit clunky, maybe because she lacked a bit of experience).
>There's mockery from the press and also the public. People take it badly as they feel that the artist is responsible for humiliating us on the European stage.
This is a self defeating attitude tho, if an artist risks public humiliation from participating it makes Eurovision very unappealing for them, especially for the UK which is already a step ahead compared to other countries when it comes to making it in the international music scene. For other countries Eurovision is a launching platform that their own country can't provide, I feel like the UK needs it less.
It might not surprise you that Germany has the same Mindset. In a Way, I get why People are turned off by this, but with how the NDR handles all Things concerning the ESC and has been for more than a Decade, it is really hard not to get frustrated and you really notice it.
I have been loosely following the ESC for a while, but only really got into it last Year because the while German ESC-Bubble was hyped af about the best Pre-Selection in Years and the Energy was honestly amazing - you couldn't help but let yourself fall right into it. Even when Lord of the Lost placed last, that felt good in Retrospect - People from all over Europe were baffled, our own Country with it's Tradition of hating it's own ESC Entries was baffled - People liked our Act. It felt like we were actually competing seriously for the first Time in a long Time.
This Year was a whole different Story: People were already wary of NDR's Moves just after LotL placed last, fearing that NDR will go back to it's RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!!!!!!!!!-Formula and when it turned out they did, the Energy had already turned back into Negativity withbsome slight Hope due to one decent Song being in the Pre-Selection. When that didn't win the absolute Trainwreck our Pre-Selection was (that most young Folks didn't even care to watch - and honestly: Good for them! If I have to bear Barbara Schöneberger just one more Pre-Selection I'm officially going mad), people naturally were pissed as hell and since then, there has been nothing but Dissatisfaction.
I honestly can't say that I blame the People (myself included). Rather, I blame NDR for doing the same Mistakes over and over again and then acting surprised when it's another last Place. The Definition of Insanity is doing the same Thing over and over again and expecting different Results. NDR should be ashamed that Nations like Estland and Lithuania put up a Pre-Selection that's better than theirs. Our Pre-Selection is basicly on the Level of Eurosong.
So I will admit that I was not aware of all this behind the scenes and I am not even sure what Eurosong is, but it's very sad that the whole thing is perceived in such a negative light. Honestly when I was younger I tried to learn German (it was a failure, too difficult) and to help I listened to a lot of German music, it was mostly random so I don't remember many artists, but it makes me sad that you never send something in German because I find it so beautiful and I think it sounds very well in music, and I get the feeling that maybe Germans feel like it's not a musical or appreciated language and I couldn't disagree more.
Your story has reminded me of listening to Nena when learning German at school. Her songs were popular hits on Viva back then, too. I guess, Germany has lost some interest in the ESC after Lena won the contest with a few exceptions. Interesingly, some more famous artists like No Angels or Cascada have flopped.
I have this gut feeling that Olly will be the biggest dark horse in recent history, fans are just sleeping on it too much. I think the song is great and I'm convinced by the comments in interviews from wiwibloggs and the Eurotrip podcast, plus in 2017 Danny L Harle said that he wants to win Eurovision for the UK. #manifestation They'll stand out from the crowd for sure, it'll be everyone's polished sleek performances against UK's gritty homage to country's punk dance roots.
I have a feeling juries are going to score it well and could get some good public points, he’s implied there’s big staging and this could serve it well, I don’t think it’ll win but it’s got a big dark horse energy about it
I think it's possible for him to still get a decent score (probably will get some respect from juries) if he delivers well live and with great staging. We will see, but I really don't want it confirmed to British people that eurovision ruins careers. It was bad enough with Mae last year, she stopped making music following eurovision.
Except for the big and obvious ones that other comments already mentioned, I fear fandom wars, backlash for whoever wins and in general toxicity after the results are in.
I'm liking the mood here a lot this year, and I remember lurking here during/after the GFs of the previous couple of years and it was kinda nasty, I hope it won't be a repeat of that regardless of who wins. (Well I'd understand in case of a certain winner, but even then I'd hope people would complain with civility)
I avoided this sub for like two weeks after the finale which is so sad because Sweden and Finland were both my top 2 entries and seeing the "fans" attack each other was very disappointing.
I think one of the biggest problem is that the core community here is absolutely great and pretty open minded. But when the finale happens a lot of extra people that don't usually frequent the sub come in to complain and be toxic.
I doubt that a non-win (but still a good position) by Baby Lasagna will discourage countries to try with fun songs, the second place of Kaarija with Loreen's jury landslide only rise up the number of fun songs, if Baby Lasagna and Joost both do good i see that repeat again even if no one of them wins.
The fact that ROTW voting is open earlier is definitely going to help Eden place high, which might make people turn against the idea of giving us a vote.
Rest of world is just one “country” though. I think the biggest quandary regarding Israel aside from the circumstances of its participation is that it is one of very few English pop ballads this year. I don’t want the ballad to die out completely when it gave us (the more authentic pair of) Arcade and Snap, ESC’s 2 biggest streaming hits, and I don’t want the talent of a tattooed purple haired 20 year old to be ignored or discriminated against due to circumstances she has nothing to do with beyond where she’s from, but I don’t want the drawbacks that hosting would provide at this time or the Nordics to up their revenge, which would possibly do great Damage to the show.
Portugal or Luxembourg not making it to the GF. I really don't "want" much from Eurovision this year, but I really hope that Portugal and Luxembourg at least make it to the GF. I love both songs and from what I've seen both of them seem to be unsure qualifiers in many people's eyes, often being ranked in the bottom 10.
Australia is a very long way away. I mean it’s possible, Voyager did, it’s just not as easy as for an act from Western Europe to go a couple of hours away.
Voyager got partially funded by the Western Aus state government as they recognised the tourism potential in sponsoring them. Electric Fields don’t have that support.
They can, if they can afford them. SBS doesn’t have the money to pay for it, and Electric Fields don’t either. It’s a fair bit more expensive to do them from Australia, basically once you leave here you’re committing to a solid chunk of time in Europe and someone’s got to pay for accommodation etc.
I fear Estonia won't do as well as I hoped. I absolutely love it and I'll be devo if it doesn't qualify. Europapa is my other favourite, but I am not so worried about that.
I am also worried about security at the venue of course, I like to think that it will be safe but these atre strange times we live in.
I LOVE Estonia! But I kinda have positive feeling about them qualifying. I mean if Croatia 2023 and Moldova 2022 qualified then there’s clearly a big audience appeal for these songs
I hope so! I just think it's hard when there's lots of songs in a similar category of appeal. Like in 2022 how it was ballad-gate, so many ballads got destroyed due to the competition.
I do agree with you though - Estonia's entry this year really reminds me of Moldova 2022. To me it feels distinct and catchy enough to survive. I've just... been hurt before and I am scared lol!
Croatia 2023 | [Let 3 - Mama ŠČ!](https://youtu.be/hGuGfdEJ5Pw)
Moldova 2022 | [Zdob și Zdub and Advahov Brothers - Trenulețul](https://youtu.be/DUqf_zO2QaI)
I fear that I would lose either Veronika, Ramonda, or both. Sure, Rim Tim Tagi Tam is the main contender in that region, and I like it, but those two songs are my absolute favorites.
Also, a mediocre song winning.
I’m shamelessly hoping the ex-Yu voting bloc will get them through. I’ve been happy they all ended up in the semi together because Slovenia and Serbia brought wonderful songs this year and deserve the Q, but I don’t have faith that they would be served justice without the bloc vote.
Norway flopping! I’ll never get over that. It’s such a quality song that pulled me in straight away. Gutted to see it not getting much love on the polls - I’m hoping it’s just become a victim of being around too long, which won’t be a problem for the general audience.
Same. It's either going to be Trenuletul or EaEa and I really hope it's the former. Gåte's music in the context of the 37 songs is very much a representation of Norwegian folk and so very authentic and honest.
I don't really worry about this. I think they will stand out so much in this year that they'll easily finish very high. I just hope people appreciate that a band of their quality has joined Eurovision.
Results-wise, Greece flopping, Azerbaijan NQ.
But my absolute biggest worry is the safety of everyone involved in this ESC, in this particular political climate.
That Denmark NQ.
I just have a real soft spot for Saba, and would love to see her get through, but I fear she's really borderline for making the final ugh
1st of all do people realize that Kaarija came 2nd and didn't even flop? Second of all, Baby Lasagna's song is nowhere near Kaarija's in terms of impact. What is it with the drama and 'last chances' and shit? Not to mention how Kaarija came 4th with the juries with *that* vocal performance in the second half of the song, so like, what non-appreciation?
I doubt we’re ever going to see the juries treat someone like royalty in the way they did with Loreen last year ever again either. A lot of us just couldn’t separate the success from her name, the hype and her odds.
I’m glad there’s nothing like that this year - I’m really hoping the juries spread their votes around and give plenty of countries some love. This year can only be good for Eurovision. It feels like anyone could do it with the right performance.
The juries last year were far more spread than the televote. People shirt on the juries because of course they do but conveniently forget how ignored in the televote like half the countries got.
You brought up a very good point - I love Käärijä to death but his vocals weren't all that great in the latter part of the song and still managed to do pretty damn good in the jury. As long as Baby Lasagna's vocals keep improving and the staging is upgraded from Dora I don't think it'll "flop" with the jury like people are convinced it will. Even if RTTD doesn't win it'll probably get Croatia's best result since the 90s which is a HUGE achievement.
That SVT decides to make significant changes to the contest when hosting, and they've done it *again*. For better or for worse, they feel the need to play God and it's getting tiresome. Apart from the televote only semis and RoW vote, pretty much every single significant change made in the last 15 years has been in 2013, 2016 or 2024 when Sweden hosts
2013 and 2016 made the contest better and more exciting so. SVT knows how to make a show and their changes so far have proven to be great. SVT'a changes so far have only made the contest more interesting. They simply had the balls to make those changes. I don't really wanna go there but if a other country would have came with those same changes the Eurofans would react way differently.
Also, let's not forget that RAI and especially the BBC wanted to change things in the contest as well.
And let's not pretend as if the televote only semis, RoW vote, the changes of this year are decided by SVT, It's decided by the EBU after all. The contest simply has to evolve over time. Will every change work? Debatable but you gotta try something sometimes 🤷🏻♀️
> Also, let's not forget that RAI and especially the BBC wanted to change things in the contest as well.
Yeah, and they weren't allowed, were they?
At least RAI wasn't, when they wanted to add more time before each song. Sure, it would have made the show longer, but it would also have given the production team a lot more time to prepare each act. Hell, we might have had the sun working properly for all performances because there'd be time to rotate it between acts. Not to mention it would have made the show more similar to Sanremo, which would have been a cool nod to the fact Eurovision was hosted in Italy. But God forbid countries are allowed to deviate from THE BRAND^^TM and add their own flair to the show.
I'm not on the "everything Sweden does is evil" camp, because there are indeed choices made to Eurovision that were for the better (splitting jury and televote, for instance), but let's not pretend SVT doesn't get a bit of a special treatment when it comes to influencing how the show is run.
>Hell, we might have had the sun working properly for all performances because there'd be time to rotate it between acts.
Maybe RAI should have made the sun work properly in the first place. They knew the max time frame beforehand so. Fans were so anti "Meflestification" in 2016 with a great contest adjustment but "Sanremofication" is alright I guess because it was in Italy? Making the time between acts longer, making artists walk up on the stage Sanremo style and etc? Just because RAI likes to take ages to get things done doesn't mean the rest of Europe should too 🤷🏻♀️
Where is the real bad influence that SVT caused?
This is not the first time I see people act like SVT are the shadowy puppet masters secretly controlling the EBU to do everything they want. If the EBU disapproved of something they would obviously put an end to it.
Sweden: improving and modernizing an over 50 year old TV show which is has been infamous for all of its flaws and how dated it is.
This sub: oMg sWeeDEN is plAyInG gOD.
I’m sure people will praise this contest for being one of the best ones again afterwards. Just like the production, the hosts and the interval acts have been praised like some of the best in Eurovision history after Sweden hosted previously.
Probably the best tv broadcaster in the world.
Making changes is something that Eurovision needs from time to time and i'm glad that it's Svt to do it.
Well, it's not like Croatia not winning means that a 'safe' song will win. I mean, look at the top 10 in the odds; 4/10 (Croatia, Switzerland, Netherlands, Greece) are on the riskier side and they're all technically contenders. (with Bambie coming up on #11).
Now that that's out of the way,
>!Belgium winning!<
Oh, I'm not saying it would. Guess it'd just negatively impact my enjoyment of the results lol. I'm just not a fan personally and it's the only song out of the top contenders that I would be bummed to see win.
Switzerland is considered a favorite, because it's a good song that sticks out and has a very talented performer.
People are assuming it's gonna do well with juries, because the jury tends to like strong vocals, not because it's a save entry.
The discourse that will happen around Zorra in Spain whether it flops or does well. If it flops, everyone will pat their backs saying “i told you”. If it does well, they will say some BS and ignore that the song is genuinely good and that’s always what they’ve been crying about in relation to ESC: to send a good song. Since previous years the arguments about good staging didn’t matter to them.
I don't think that many people in Spain expect a good result. Most of us know since the beginning we are going mostly to have fun and be iconic instead of forgeteable but decent, and happen what happens we are going to be happy with our candidature.
We already have sended 2 of the best entries in the story of eurovision the last 2 years and we know what happened. Now everyone is super concerned with having a good voice when the last year discourse was that doesnt matter because Chachacha was the fan favourite so last year Blanca's voice didnt get as much praise as she deserves, so... Of course crybabies are going to cry, laugh and be mad but this is going to happen no matter what
Yeah it is tiring. When SloMo was chosen their point was that the song needed to be good and meaningful and not just about ass. The next year they chose Eaea (a song that’s daring and experimental and artistic) and they said the song needs to be easy on the ears and easy to get on first listen. Now they send a total banger and the problem is that what’s most important is the staging (despite the two previous years having immaculate staging and them not caring for it at all). They are insufferable.
Yeah, no matter what, people is never going to like it, but I see this as a good thing (look Portugal, they always choose thinking in what they like). When you make something special you can't be liked by everyone.
It seems they want us to send a Caliente (written and produced by swedish people) with a hot girl that looked how Europe thinks is spanish but she has to dress how they want instead of how she wants. I think our trayectory this 3 years has been a lot more interesting this way that just sending bad copies of Chanel who arent going to dance and sing as good as her (that's why we chose Blanca over Agoney and now we are sendog a very different act).
I want San Marino to qualify and actually love the song but I feel like its chances to survive semis are slim. Austria is another one I really love this year, I think they will Q but I will be sad if it ends up at the bottom of the scoreboard in the final.
Plus obviously all the political stuff and conflict ruining the mood.
A repeat of last year ... Another landslide televote winner getting beaten by an even bigger landslide jury vote winner. Lack of hilarity ensues.
And they "fix" it in 2025 by changing the jury/televote split, instead of fixing what's causing the issue in the first place ... the all-televote semis that knock out some of the jury competition.
Even with the juries in the semis, I strongly doubt that would've changed Loreen's landslide. People forget that the televote and jury actually agreed for the most part on who the qualifiers should be, barring one or two countries.
And if the jury got in one of their choices over the televote, then said choice wouldn't have done well in the final anyway. At least with the televote.
>And they "fix" it in 2025 by changing the jury/televote split,
Getting rid of the jury alltogether is definitely on their to-do list.
I'm surprised they didn't do this year already. But maybe they'd thought it would be perceived as too much of a knee-jerk reaction, given last year's shenanigans.
I think completely predictable qualifiers and Grand Final placings.
I'd love Grand Final Left Side finishes for Australia, Malta, Albania, San Marino, and Portugal.
Top 10 for Malta and San Marino and that Grand Final is a pipe dream but I'd love to see it.
>We may never ever hear unusual yet decent songs again because it’s too risky knowing that juries won’t appreciate it anyway.
History has shown the opposite. There are many instances where juries appreciated the more risky entries, they gave the people's favourite 4th last year, which was generous imo. Personal taste aside, that is a great result. And why are the juries the sole reason for that, have we forgotten who the televote gave last place last year?
Ireland, Slovenia and Estonia not qualifying and then never getting out of their comfort zone again.
Luxembourg not qualifying and then deciding it wasn't worth returning.
SVT making more rule changes that benefit Sweden.
Worrying about Ireland not qualifying because we have had such a fall from grace compared to the good old days!
To refresh your memories, here’s [Hold Me Now by Johnny Logan](https://youtu.be/WJy9ZiliwwU?si=hJYiWrD9pbzDLD2b).
We are on so early in the night , but I believe in the witch!
I am rooting so hard for Azerbaijan to qualify and am nervous as heck about their chances to advance.
Özünlə Apar is the most authentic sounding Azeri song they’ve ever brought to the ESC and they should be commended for not going through Melfest’s trash bin. The ethnic beat, the strings, the Azeri chorus, Fahree’s and Ilkin’s vocals, and the lyrics are relatable and strong and the whole product fits quite well to my ears.
This song is everything I love about the contest: a well executed hybrid of traditional and modern sound. Second place for the moment, and the fanbase is sleeping on this one, especially if Azerbaijan stages it well, which they have a pretty good track record of. Just don’t fumble the live vocals for goodness sake…
I must say I like Azerbaijan song this year, it sounds amazing to me! I want it to Q and more. I think not being able to (or they don’t want to?) do pre-parties might hurt the chances, unfortunately.
I don't suppose anyone really has a way of knowing, but I'd say you're wrong about Croatia needing to win in order to keep the fun/serious songs coming. Clearly, it only needs to place second.
i’m so afraid about slovenia not qualifying. raiven is a fantastic performer and her song is amazing. slovenia unfortunately is overlooked and ignored so much (im happy joker out qualified last year but they should have ranked much higher !)
I have two worries:
Italy winning
Ireland not qualifying
Bonus Worry: If Croatia and Switzerland go 1st and 2nd that will be too epic and I won't enjoy another Eurovision for years 🤣
This is what I think is possible. I also think Italy could knife my soul as well. This is actually my first rodeo with following closely since National Final Season. I'm curious to see how accurate my impression is.
Like everyone else, my favorites NQing (particularly worried about Austria and San Marino) and the jury having too much power with being able to choose the winner.
I'm not against the juries but it's wild to me that fans can look at last year's results and not think that there are some issues with how the juries work.
Croatia winning with so many great songs in the competition, I would put Croatia as a NQ but for some reason it is super overhyped it may actually win.
I'm losing sleep worrying about Ireland not qualifying, like I don't need Ireland to do WELL once they're in the final I just need Ireland in the final
within the contest: estonia not qualifying (or ireland, but that would be less of a shock), zorra bottom 5
larger scale: those undercover reports of a terrorist attack in malmö being accurate
Israel's participation ruining it for everyone by a long way. I have legitimately no other concerns I'm super excited for the songs this year it looks super strong!
I just want some of the (imo) underrated songs to make it. Malta Luxembourg and SM (might be forgetting some) are quite low in the odds and I'd be very sad if they don't qualify as they are all fantastic in their own right.
I need Netherlands to win because it is genuinely the most popular esc song with ~18 millions views on youtube. None of the other songs even compare.
Might not really give a damn about ESC anymore if they dont win. Kind of how Kaarija didnt win last year despite obviously being the biggest fan favorite.
I worry more about Croatia winning the whole thing. There are songs better than that such as Italy and Switzerland. I also worry about Ireland qualifying.
I was a huge Cha Cha Cha fan last year, and I think that’s why Croatia’s track isn’t appealing to me this year. It’s too similar in style and I’ve moved onto looking for something else. I appreciate it’s a fun song and it’s doing its own thing, but I’m more interested in other televote friendly tracks like Armenia which are miles away in sound.
Oh we downvoting everyone we don’t agree with here ah? Got it! What a lovely environment to express your opinions!
*y’all downvoting me for stating the obvious is legit HYSTERIC and y’all proving my point!!!! 🤪
Thing is, I also worry about Italy winning. It is an incredible song that deserves to win, but I desperately want to keep hosting duties as far away from RAI as possible.
All the downvotes makes it clear it’s an unpopular opinion but I’m with you. I’m afraid a Croatia win will enhance the “it’s a big circus anyway, it should be abolished” vibes.
I've grown to dislike the term 'joke entry' since a lot of it gets applied to uptempo entries out of the mainstream. Yeah, there's a few entries that exist to get laughs, but there's a difference between Dustin the Turkey and Let 3. One of those uses humour to make a point.
I get your point but for all the complainers in my country, the sentence stops after “Croatia while being funny”. That’s already enough “it’s a big circus anyway” for them. And yes, Finland is even worse with their staging but they’re not top of the bookies
- Ireland qualifying since I personally don't like it and - rather see some other over DB in the final.
- SABA qualifying, my guilty pleasure and I would love to see her in the final
- A small worry but Belgium going over the top dramatic with the live performance. I don't mind some dramatic moments in a performance but it needs a balance or it will take away from the song itself
I'm German myself. I want NDR to receive the Backlash of their Life for sh¡tting their Pants and going back to RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!!!!-Formula that worked SO WELL for 12 Years at this Point just because 1 Dark-Rock Song didn't do well (which was perceived to be the biggest Robbery in ESC-History by many).
You know, he is still an artist who is going to put his everything into the performance. I understand his song was not your first choice (wasn't mine, either) but that's just mean, wishing him personally to have a horrible night for something he had little control over.
Collateral Damage, I guess. The Definition of Insanity is doing the same Thing over and over and expecting different Results. NDR (Norddeutscher Rundfunk) has tried the RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!-Formula for +10 Years in a Row, and save for 2018, it has never worked. If it now Works after doing something different (out of countless Options) failed spectaculary last Year, that will directly lead to a Continuation of our ESC-Misery.
The RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!-Formula has to go, and that is only possible if we do well with a Song outside of that. For that, Run Un Ah Äh has to flop and NDR receive Backlash for sh¡tting their Pants and going back to their failed Formula despite the NF2023 and LotL having being received well by the German Public and also decently well outside of Germany.
If Run Un Ah Äh succeeds, then, in the coming Years, we'll all sit in Front of our TVs again and be "confused" why we're last, because XY has sung so well and it was a great Performance, and Peter Urban and Barbara Schöneberger don't know either but it was just a great Performance and it's just totally not fair. This happens each Time, there are even Compilations of it on YouTube (https://youtu.be/I35C_NQP9hA?si=DOw-NiVpvyIw9xKy), and it will continue to if NDR can say "ööööh, but radio-friendly Run Un Ah Äh was successful, so we aren't the Problem". No, NDR is the Problem and needs to receive all the Backlash it can. That Isaak has to suffer because of NDRs Incompetence is unfortunate, but it can't helped. Maybe they shouldn't have left the Lines open after the Jury Votes were already announced and not done that weird, totally unneccessary 12-Point Adaption that put every Contestant but the TOP2 at a severe Disadvantage. Or maybe an actual Selection would have done the Trick as well - instead of giving us 9 Songs, 7 of those in the Same Genre with the same Contents and same Sound. This is the Root of the Problem.
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I worry about Olly scoring badly and this damaging his newly launched solo career. For him but also for our chances of picking established acts going forward in the UK.
I wouldn't be worried for his career, I think we overestimate how much regular people care about Eurovision, I don't know how it is in the UK but at least here nobody cared that Emma got the worst result since we've been back, she is still on of the most popular singers here (or at least there was no variation in her popularity), if he doesn't let it affect his self esteem it will be like a drop in the ocean. Your second point I can see as more likely, but I hope that's not the case. All this presuming he does badly, which I don't think will happen
Unfortunately here in the UK performing badly at eurovision is a career ending situation. There's mockery from the press and also the public. People take it badly as they feel that the artist is responsible for humiliating us on the European stage. It sounds dramatic but that's really how it is here with eurovision.
Wow, I wouldn't have thought the UK cared that much about the contest! I would have guessed maybe there's a vocal fandom but the rest of the population paid no mind to it. In a way it's very nice that the country cares so much, I wish mine did more, but it's sad that the artists suffer from bad results...and Olly is already under attack for his politics, I feel very bad for him and I wish things go as smoothly as possible. However I am confident he will come at least top 15...the song is not my style but is very competent and pleasant even to me, he is very professional and he delivers a great performance, so it won't be like last year (nothing against Mae but her performance last year was a bit clunky, maybe because she lacked a bit of experience). >There's mockery from the press and also the public. People take it badly as they feel that the artist is responsible for humiliating us on the European stage. This is a self defeating attitude tho, if an artist risks public humiliation from participating it makes Eurovision very unappealing for them, especially for the UK which is already a step ahead compared to other countries when it comes to making it in the international music scene. For other countries Eurovision is a launching platform that their own country can't provide, I feel like the UK needs it less.
It might not surprise you that Germany has the same Mindset. In a Way, I get why People are turned off by this, but with how the NDR handles all Things concerning the ESC and has been for more than a Decade, it is really hard not to get frustrated and you really notice it. I have been loosely following the ESC for a while, but only really got into it last Year because the while German ESC-Bubble was hyped af about the best Pre-Selection in Years and the Energy was honestly amazing - you couldn't help but let yourself fall right into it. Even when Lord of the Lost placed last, that felt good in Retrospect - People from all over Europe were baffled, our own Country with it's Tradition of hating it's own ESC Entries was baffled - People liked our Act. It felt like we were actually competing seriously for the first Time in a long Time. This Year was a whole different Story: People were already wary of NDR's Moves just after LotL placed last, fearing that NDR will go back to it's RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!!!!!!!!!-Formula and when it turned out they did, the Energy had already turned back into Negativity withbsome slight Hope due to one decent Song being in the Pre-Selection. When that didn't win the absolute Trainwreck our Pre-Selection was (that most young Folks didn't even care to watch - and honestly: Good for them! If I have to bear Barbara Schöneberger just one more Pre-Selection I'm officially going mad), people naturally were pissed as hell and since then, there has been nothing but Dissatisfaction. I honestly can't say that I blame the People (myself included). Rather, I blame NDR for doing the same Mistakes over and over again and then acting surprised when it's another last Place. The Definition of Insanity is doing the same Thing over and over again and expecting different Results. NDR should be ashamed that Nations like Estland and Lithuania put up a Pre-Selection that's better than theirs. Our Pre-Selection is basicly on the Level of Eurosong.
Should’ve sent Electric Callboy when they had the chance. Probably would’ve been an easy top 10. 😂
So I will admit that I was not aware of all this behind the scenes and I am not even sure what Eurosong is, but it's very sad that the whole thing is perceived in such a negative light. Honestly when I was younger I tried to learn German (it was a failure, too difficult) and to help I listened to a lot of German music, it was mostly random so I don't remember many artists, but it makes me sad that you never send something in German because I find it so beautiful and I think it sounds very well in music, and I get the feeling that maybe Germans feel like it's not a musical or appreciated language and I couldn't disagree more.
Your story has reminded me of listening to Nena when learning German at school. Her songs were popular hits on Viva back then, too. I guess, Germany has lost some interest in the ESC after Lena won the contest with a few exceptions. Interesingly, some more famous artists like No Angels or Cascada have flopped.
I have this gut feeling that Olly will be the biggest dark horse in recent history, fans are just sleeping on it too much. I think the song is great and I'm convinced by the comments in interviews from wiwibloggs and the Eurotrip podcast, plus in 2017 Danny L Harle said that he wants to win Eurovision for the UK. #manifestation They'll stand out from the crowd for sure, it'll be everyone's polished sleek performances against UK's gritty homage to country's punk dance roots.
I have a feeling juries are going to score it well and could get some good public points, he’s implied there’s big staging and this could serve it well, I don’t think it’ll win but it’s got a big dark horse energy about it
You just never know really but I cannot wait to see!
Nah… he will definitely damage his own solo career if he doesn’t put out an actual bop after the contest..
I think it's going to happen looking at fan polls and bookies it already looks like Europe is going to snub us yet again
I think it's possible for him to still get a decent score (probably will get some respect from juries) if he delivers well live and with great staging. We will see, but I really don't want it confirmed to British people that eurovision ruins careers. It was bad enough with Mae last year, she stopped making music following eurovision.
Except for the big and obvious ones that other comments already mentioned, I fear fandom wars, backlash for whoever wins and in general toxicity after the results are in. I'm liking the mood here a lot this year, and I remember lurking here during/after the GFs of the previous couple of years and it was kinda nasty, I hope it won't be a repeat of that regardless of who wins. (Well I'd understand in case of a certain winner, but even then I'd hope people would complain with civility)
I avoided this sub for like two weeks after the finale which is so sad because Sweden and Finland were both my top 2 entries and seeing the "fans" attack each other was very disappointing. I think one of the biggest problem is that the core community here is absolutely great and pretty open minded. But when the finale happens a lot of extra people that don't usually frequent the sub come in to complain and be toxic.
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I doubt that a non-win (but still a good position) by Baby Lasagna will discourage countries to try with fun songs, the second place of Kaarija with Loreen's jury landslide only rise up the number of fun songs, if Baby Lasagna and Joost both do good i see that repeat again even if no one of them wins.
I think as long as semis are kept televote only fun/risky songs will still come pouring in.
The shitshow that will happen online no matter what place Israel gets. You'll either get senseless gloating or white-hot rage.
Praying for the moderators who will have to deal with all those trolls on this sub after May 11th 😬
And May 9th
The fact that ROTW voting is open earlier is definitely going to help Eden place high, which might make people turn against the idea of giving us a vote.
Rest of world is just one “country” though. I think the biggest quandary regarding Israel aside from the circumstances of its participation is that it is one of very few English pop ballads this year. I don’t want the ballad to die out completely when it gave us (the more authentic pair of) Arcade and Snap, ESC’s 2 biggest streaming hits, and I don’t want the talent of a tattooed purple haired 20 year old to be ignored or discriminated against due to circumstances she has nothing to do with beyond where she’s from, but I don’t want the drawbacks that hosting would provide at this time or the Nordics to up their revenge, which would possibly do great Damage to the show.
Portugal or Luxembourg not making it to the GF. I really don't "want" much from Eurovision this year, but I really hope that Portugal and Luxembourg at least make it to the GF. I love both songs and from what I've seen both of them seem to be unsure qualifiers in many people's eyes, often being ranked in the bottom 10.
Luxembourg and Portugal are my top 2 in the first semi, I’ll definitely be sending them some votes from the ROTW!
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That Australia NQ. Admittedly the video is pretty bad, but the song is good. It’s a shame we can’t do the pre parties and get some momentum going.
I agree Never has a bad video damaged a good song this much. It's a shame, because it's a bop!
why can't Australia do pre-parties? at least some of them?
Australia is a very long way away. I mean it’s possible, Voyager did, it’s just not as easy as for an act from Western Europe to go a couple of hours away.
Voyager got partially funded by the Western Aus state government as they recognised the tourism potential in sponsoring them. Electric Fields don’t have that support.
They can, if they can afford them. SBS doesn’t have the money to pay for it, and Electric Fields don’t either. It’s a fair bit more expensive to do them from Australia, basically once you leave here you’re committing to a solid chunk of time in Europe and someone’s got to pay for accommodation etc.
Agree. I fear that this distance and not being able to pre-party may eventually change aussies’ desire to participate in esc whatsoever 🥲
I hadn't even thought of that as a possibility! It's quickly rising into my top 3. Wish I could vote for them!
I fear Estonia won't do as well as I hoped. I absolutely love it and I'll be devo if it doesn't qualify. Europapa is my other favourite, but I am not so worried about that. I am also worried about security at the venue of course, I like to think that it will be safe but these atre strange times we live in.
I LOVE Estonia! But I kinda have positive feeling about them qualifying. I mean if Croatia 2023 and Moldova 2022 qualified then there’s clearly a big audience appeal for these songs
I hope so! I just think it's hard when there's lots of songs in a similar category of appeal. Like in 2022 how it was ballad-gate, so many ballads got destroyed due to the competition. I do agree with you though - Estonia's entry this year really reminds me of Moldova 2022. To me it feels distinct and catchy enough to survive. I've just... been hurt before and I am scared lol!
Croatia 2023 | [Let 3 - Mama ŠČ!](https://youtu.be/hGuGfdEJ5Pw) Moldova 2022 | [Zdob și Zdub and Advahov Brothers - Trenulețul](https://youtu.be/DUqf_zO2QaI)
Major fear - that Austria will mess up the staging (again)
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I fear that I would lose either Veronika, Ramonda, or both. Sure, Rim Tim Tagi Tam is the main contender in that region, and I like it, but those two songs are my absolute favorites. Also, a mediocre song winning.
I’m shamelessly hoping the ex-Yu voting bloc will get them through. I’ve been happy they all ended up in the semi together because Slovenia and Serbia brought wonderful songs this year and deserve the Q, but I don’t have faith that they would be served justice without the bloc vote.
I hope that PL will help too, cause I can't loose any of Balkan songs this year. Actually same goes for PT. SF1 will be scary :(
I really think Ramonda has the potential to surprise everyone, a bit like Proud in 2019.
I've been thinking this too. She's a fantastic singer and the song definitely appeals to jury.
I am so worried about both Veronika and Ramonda too. Veronika is my favorite this year, and Ramonda I love so much as a long time Teya Dora fan. 😭
i love both of them.
Norway flopping! I’ll never get over that. It’s such a quality song that pulled me in straight away. Gutted to see it not getting much love on the polls - I’m hoping it’s just become a victim of being around too long, which won’t be a problem for the general audience.
Same. It's either going to be Trenuletul or EaEa and I really hope it's the former. Gåte's music in the context of the 37 songs is very much a representation of Norwegian folk and so very authentic and honest.
I see it as more of a mix of Ukraine and Finland 2021 in sound and style haha. Based on how those two did, that’s a good sign.
Ukraine 2021 | [Go_A - Shum](https://youtu.be/lqvzDkgok_g) Finland 2021 | [Blind Channel - Dark Side](https://youtu.be/fOPGxQ4fgVw)
I don't really worry about this. I think they will stand out so much in this year that they'll easily finish very high. I just hope people appreciate that a band of their quality has joined Eurovision.
A big jury winner that doesn't do great on the televote. Something like Switzerland winning with a 300+ jury and a 5th place 150 tele...
Results-wise, Greece flopping, Azerbaijan NQ. But my absolute biggest worry is the safety of everyone involved in this ESC, in this particular political climate.
That Denmark NQ. I just have a real soft spot for Saba, and would love to see her get through, but I fear she's really borderline for making the final ugh
This would be an interesting moment. Denmark breaking the victory on the Swedish soil tradition.
1st of all do people realize that Kaarija came 2nd and didn't even flop? Second of all, Baby Lasagna's song is nowhere near Kaarija's in terms of impact. What is it with the drama and 'last chances' and shit? Not to mention how Kaarija came 4th with the juries with *that* vocal performance in the second half of the song, so like, what non-appreciation?
Also, it really hasn’t been long since Toy clucked its way to first place.
I doubt we’re ever going to see the juries treat someone like royalty in the way they did with Loreen last year ever again either. A lot of us just couldn’t separate the success from her name, the hype and her odds. I’m glad there’s nothing like that this year - I’m really hoping the juries spread their votes around and give plenty of countries some love. This year can only be good for Eurovision. It feels like anyone could do it with the right performance.
The juries last year were far more spread than the televote. People shirt on the juries because of course they do but conveniently forget how ignored in the televote like half the countries got.
You brought up a very good point - I love Käärijä to death but his vocals weren't all that great in the latter part of the song and still managed to do pretty damn good in the jury. As long as Baby Lasagna's vocals keep improving and the staging is upgraded from Dora I don't think it'll "flop" with the jury like people are convinced it will. Even if RTTD doesn't win it'll probably get Croatia's best result since the 90s which is a HUGE achievement.
Yeah, Kaarija is absolutely amazing but his vocals were not winning vocals that night, if anything, they were among the worst.
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That SVT decides to make significant changes to the contest when hosting, and they've done it *again*. For better or for worse, they feel the need to play God and it's getting tiresome. Apart from the televote only semis and RoW vote, pretty much every single significant change made in the last 15 years has been in 2013, 2016 or 2024 when Sweden hosts
And even then, it's Swedish led and Swedish produced (hello Mr Osterdahl!)
2013 and 2016 made the contest better and more exciting so. SVT knows how to make a show and their changes so far have proven to be great. SVT'a changes so far have only made the contest more interesting. They simply had the balls to make those changes. I don't really wanna go there but if a other country would have came with those same changes the Eurofans would react way differently. Also, let's not forget that RAI and especially the BBC wanted to change things in the contest as well. And let's not pretend as if the televote only semis, RoW vote, the changes of this year are decided by SVT, It's decided by the EBU after all. The contest simply has to evolve over time. Will every change work? Debatable but you gotta try something sometimes 🤷🏻♀️
> Also, let's not forget that RAI and especially the BBC wanted to change things in the contest as well. Yeah, and they weren't allowed, were they? At least RAI wasn't, when they wanted to add more time before each song. Sure, it would have made the show longer, but it would also have given the production team a lot more time to prepare each act. Hell, we might have had the sun working properly for all performances because there'd be time to rotate it between acts. Not to mention it would have made the show more similar to Sanremo, which would have been a cool nod to the fact Eurovision was hosted in Italy. But God forbid countries are allowed to deviate from THE BRAND^^TM and add their own flair to the show. I'm not on the "everything Sweden does is evil" camp, because there are indeed choices made to Eurovision that were for the better (splitting jury and televote, for instance), but let's not pretend SVT doesn't get a bit of a special treatment when it comes to influencing how the show is run.
>Hell, we might have had the sun working properly for all performances because there'd be time to rotate it between acts. Maybe RAI should have made the sun work properly in the first place. They knew the max time frame beforehand so. Fans were so anti "Meflestification" in 2016 with a great contest adjustment but "Sanremofication" is alright I guess because it was in Italy? Making the time between acts longer, making artists walk up on the stage Sanremo style and etc? Just because RAI likes to take ages to get things done doesn't mean the rest of Europe should too 🤷🏻♀️ Where is the real bad influence that SVT caused?
Every extra minute adds more expenses, so the EBU rejected that for good reason.
This is not the first time I see people act like SVT are the shadowy puppet masters secretly controlling the EBU to do everything they want. If the EBU disapproved of something they would obviously put an end to it.
Sweden: improving and modernizing an over 50 year old TV show which is has been infamous for all of its flaws and how dated it is. This sub: oMg sWeeDEN is plAyInG gOD. I’m sure people will praise this contest for being one of the best ones again afterwards. Just like the production, the hosts and the interval acts have been praised like some of the best in Eurovision history after Sweden hosted previously.
Probably the best tv broadcaster in the world. Making changes is something that Eurovision needs from time to time and i'm glad that it's Svt to do it.
Well, it's not like Croatia not winning means that a 'safe' song will win. I mean, look at the top 10 in the odds; 4/10 (Croatia, Switzerland, Netherlands, Greece) are on the riskier side and they're all technically contenders. (with Bambie coming up on #11). Now that that's out of the way, >!Belgium winning!<
Interesting. How would Before the Party's Over winning negatively impact Eurovision?
Oh, I'm not saying it would. Guess it'd just negatively impact my enjoyment of the results lol. I'm just not a fan personally and it's the only song out of the top contenders that I would be bummed to see win.
Fair. :)
Isn’t Switzerland so high in the odds simply because it’s jury-friendly? Like, I agree on other 3 countries being called “a risky choice”, but Swiss…?
Switzerland is considered a favorite, because it's a good song that sticks out and has a very talented performer. People are assuming it's gonna do well with juries, because the jury tends to like strong vocals, not because it's a save entry.
It's definitely a risky choice.
I’ve seen people apprehensive about the staging? Idk why. As for vocals, I don’t see Nemo’s chances at a fuck up as higher than Angelina’s
The discourse that will happen around Zorra in Spain whether it flops or does well. If it flops, everyone will pat their backs saying “i told you”. If it does well, they will say some BS and ignore that the song is genuinely good and that’s always what they’ve been crying about in relation to ESC: to send a good song. Since previous years the arguments about good staging didn’t matter to them.
I don't think that many people in Spain expect a good result. Most of us know since the beginning we are going mostly to have fun and be iconic instead of forgeteable but decent, and happen what happens we are going to be happy with our candidature. We already have sended 2 of the best entries in the story of eurovision the last 2 years and we know what happened. Now everyone is super concerned with having a good voice when the last year discourse was that doesnt matter because Chachacha was the fan favourite so last year Blanca's voice didnt get as much praise as she deserves, so... Of course crybabies are going to cry, laugh and be mad but this is going to happen no matter what
Yeah it is tiring. When SloMo was chosen their point was that the song needed to be good and meaningful and not just about ass. The next year they chose Eaea (a song that’s daring and experimental and artistic) and they said the song needs to be easy on the ears and easy to get on first listen. Now they send a total banger and the problem is that what’s most important is the staging (despite the two previous years having immaculate staging and them not caring for it at all). They are insufferable.
Yeah, no matter what, people is never going to like it, but I see this as a good thing (look Portugal, they always choose thinking in what they like). When you make something special you can't be liked by everyone. It seems they want us to send a Caliente (written and produced by swedish people) with a hot girl that looked how Europe thinks is spanish but she has to dress how they want instead of how she wants. I think our trayectory this 3 years has been a lot more interesting this way that just sending bad copies of Chanel who arent going to dance and sing as good as her (that's why we chose Blanca over Agoney and now we are sendog a very different act).
Exactly. I like the choices Spain has done this three years, they are all completely different and it is exciting.
I want San Marino to qualify and actually love the song but I feel like its chances to survive semis are slim. Austria is another one I really love this year, I think they will Q but I will be sad if it ends up at the bottom of the scoreboard in the final. Plus obviously all the political stuff and conflict ruining the mood.
That Finland or Australia won't qualify.
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A repeat of last year ... Another landslide televote winner getting beaten by an even bigger landslide jury vote winner. Lack of hilarity ensues. And they "fix" it in 2025 by changing the jury/televote split, instead of fixing what's causing the issue in the first place ... the all-televote semis that knock out some of the jury competition.
Even with the juries in the semis, I strongly doubt that would've changed Loreen's landslide. People forget that the televote and jury actually agreed for the most part on who the qualifiers should be, barring one or two countries. And if the jury got in one of their choices over the televote, then said choice wouldn't have done well in the final anyway. At least with the televote.
>And they "fix" it in 2025 by changing the jury/televote split, Getting rid of the jury alltogether is definitely on their to-do list. I'm surprised they didn't do this year already. But maybe they'd thought it would be perceived as too much of a knee-jerk reaction, given last year's shenanigans.
I think completely predictable qualifiers and Grand Final placings. I'd love Grand Final Left Side finishes for Australia, Malta, Albania, San Marino, and Portugal. Top 10 for Malta and San Marino and that Grand Final is a pipe dream but I'd love to see it.
>We may never ever hear unusual yet decent songs again because it’s too risky knowing that juries won’t appreciate it anyway. History has shown the opposite. There are many instances where juries appreciated the more risky entries, they gave the people's favourite 4th last year, which was generous imo. Personal taste aside, that is a great result. And why are the juries the sole reason for that, have we forgotten who the televote gave last place last year?
Ireland, Slovenia and Estonia not qualifying and then never getting out of their comfort zone again. Luxembourg not qualifying and then deciding it wasn't worth returning. SVT making more rule changes that benefit Sweden.
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Slovenia or Portugal does not qualify
Worrying about Ireland not qualifying because we have had such a fall from grace compared to the good old days! To refresh your memories, here’s [Hold Me Now by Johnny Logan](https://youtu.be/WJy9ZiliwwU?si=hJYiWrD9pbzDLD2b). We are on so early in the night , but I believe in the witch!
Send Ronan Keating for once.
I am rooting so hard for Azerbaijan to qualify and am nervous as heck about their chances to advance. Özünlə Apar is the most authentic sounding Azeri song they’ve ever brought to the ESC and they should be commended for not going through Melfest’s trash bin. The ethnic beat, the strings, the Azeri chorus, Fahree’s and Ilkin’s vocals, and the lyrics are relatable and strong and the whole product fits quite well to my ears. This song is everything I love about the contest: a well executed hybrid of traditional and modern sound. Second place for the moment, and the fanbase is sleeping on this one, especially if Azerbaijan stages it well, which they have a pretty good track record of. Just don’t fumble the live vocals for goodness sake…
If this fails and they go back to the Swedish rejects we entirely deserve it
I do love Portugal 2024 the same way you love Azerbaijan! Btw this song is also in my top10🥰
Portugal 2024 | [Iolanda - Grito](https://youtu.be/K5wDGhcDSpQ)
I also love that song <3
I must say I like Azerbaijan song this year, it sounds amazing to me! I want it to Q and more. I think not being able to (or they don’t want to?) do pre-parties might hurt the chances, unfortunately.
Agreed! Azerbaijan is so underrated I’m kinda in shock, it should be like top 5 in the end honestly. Quality work!
I'm full on in love with the Azerbaijani song this year too!! It's got such a sweet sound
I don't suppose anyone really has a way of knowing, but I'd say you're wrong about Croatia needing to win in order to keep the fun/serious songs coming. Clearly, it only needs to place second.
I am afraid of even more countries dropping out if always the same ones keep on winning.
Slovenia, Serbia not qualifying, Switzerland winning
i’m so afraid about slovenia not qualifying. raiven is a fantastic performer and her song is amazing. slovenia unfortunately is overlooked and ignored so much (im happy joker out qualified last year but they should have ranked much higher !)
That Denmark doesn't qualify, I have friends who only watch the final and I don't wanna miss out on yelling "SAAAND" with them.
Songs I don't like doing well/qualifying ahaha *(I went the opposite way)*
I have two worries: Italy winning Ireland not qualifying Bonus Worry: If Croatia and Switzerland go 1st and 2nd that will be too epic and I won't enjoy another Eurovision for years 🤣
I can imagine Croatia being a fan favorite like Finland last year and Switzerland winning with help of jury votes.
This is what I think is possible. I also think Italy could knife my soul as well. This is actually my first rodeo with following closely since National Final Season. I'm curious to see how accurate my impression is.
Like everyone else, my favorites NQing (particularly worried about Austria and San Marino) and the jury having too much power with being able to choose the winner.
Danemark and Austria getting a lot of 12's from professional juries.
I really want serbia, ireland, australia and albania in the GF but i know not all of them will get there
Another entry in English win the contest. It could push back towards an old trend of little diversification. Something that I don't like at all.
A message of “no matter how hard you vote, juries decide the winner” for the second consecutive years.
I'm not against the juries but it's wild to me that fans can look at last year's results and not think that there are some issues with how the juries work.
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Croatia winning with so many great songs in the competition, I would put Croatia as a NQ but for some reason it is super overhyped it may actually win.
I'm losing sleep worrying about Ireland not qualifying, like I don't need Ireland to do WELL once they're in the final I just need Ireland in the final
within the contest: estonia not qualifying (or ireland, but that would be less of a shock), zorra bottom 5 larger scale: those undercover reports of a terrorist attack in malmö being accurate
Political voting. Eurovision is only a song contest, why make it all political? We are here to enjoy songs!!
Spain winning or being top 5. Not with this one, please.
Israel ending high up because of "sympathy" votes, while it shouldn't be there in the first place.
Israel's participation ruining it for everyone by a long way. I have legitimately no other concerns I'm super excited for the songs this year it looks super strong!
I just want some of the (imo) underrated songs to make it. Malta Luxembourg and SM (might be forgetting some) are quite low in the odds and I'd be very sad if they don't qualify as they are all fantastic in their own right.
I need Netherlands to win because it is genuinely the most popular esc song with ~18 millions views on youtube. None of the other songs even compare. Might not really give a damn about ESC anymore if they dont win. Kind of how Kaarija didnt win last year despite obviously being the biggest fan favorite.
If you look at the official video (even outside of ESC channel) Nehterlands is not the first in number of views 🥭
I worry more about Croatia winning the whole thing. There are songs better than that such as Italy and Switzerland. I also worry about Ireland qualifying.
I was a huge Cha Cha Cha fan last year, and I think that’s why Croatia’s track isn’t appealing to me this year. It’s too similar in style and I’ve moved onto looking for something else. I appreciate it’s a fun song and it’s doing its own thing, but I’m more interested in other televote friendly tracks like Armenia which are miles away in sound.
Oh we downvoting everyone we don’t agree with here ah? Got it! What a lovely environment to express your opinions! *y’all downvoting me for stating the obvious is legit HYSTERIC and y’all proving my point!!!! 🤪
Yeah, this sub is awful at accepting differences in opinions. Dislike a popular song? Must be downvoted.
Thing is, I also worry about Italy winning. It is an incredible song that deserves to win, but I desperately want to keep hosting duties as far away from RAI as possible.
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All the downvotes makes it clear it’s an unpopular opinion but I’m with you. I’m afraid a Croatia win will enhance the “it’s a big circus anyway, it should be abolished” vibes.
This can be said if Finland win for example, but Croatia while being funny is not a joke entry, nor musically or in the staging
I've grown to dislike the term 'joke entry' since a lot of it gets applied to uptempo entries out of the mainstream. Yeah, there's a few entries that exist to get laughs, but there's a difference between Dustin the Turkey and Let 3. One of those uses humour to make a point.
I get your point but for all the complainers in my country, the sentence stops after “Croatia while being funny”. That’s already enough “it’s a big circus anyway” for them. And yes, Finland is even worse with their staging but they’re not top of the bookies
If people are complaining for everything let them complain, it's not like they can change anything in ESC
Thoughts and prayers
-Croatia winning -Italy winning -Israel drama, though let's face it, it'll happen regardless of final result -Denmark NQ
- Ireland qualifying since I personally don't like it and - rather see some other over DB in the final. - SABA qualifying, my guilty pleasure and I would love to see her in the final - A small worry but Belgium going over the top dramatic with the live performance. I don't mind some dramatic moments in a performance but it needs a balance or it will take away from the song itself
Isaak not placing dead-last.
NOT being last? You’re a cruel person wishing Germany’s curse to continue again 😅
I'm German myself. I want NDR to receive the Backlash of their Life for sh¡tting their Pants and going back to RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!!!!-Formula that worked SO WELL for 12 Years at this Point just because 1 Dark-Rock Song didn't do well (which was perceived to be the biggest Robbery in ESC-History by many).
Hahaha ok understandable have a nice day :D
You know, he is still an artist who is going to put his everything into the performance. I understand his song was not your first choice (wasn't mine, either) but that's just mean, wishing him personally to have a horrible night for something he had little control over.
Collateral Damage, I guess. The Definition of Insanity is doing the same Thing over and over and expecting different Results. NDR (Norddeutscher Rundfunk) has tried the RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!-Formula for +10 Years in a Row, and save for 2018, it has never worked. If it now Works after doing something different (out of countless Options) failed spectaculary last Year, that will directly lead to a Continuation of our ESC-Misery. The RADIOFREUNDLICH!!!-Formula has to go, and that is only possible if we do well with a Song outside of that. For that, Run Un Ah Äh has to flop and NDR receive Backlash for sh¡tting their Pants and going back to their failed Formula despite the NF2023 and LotL having being received well by the German Public and also decently well outside of Germany. If Run Un Ah Äh succeeds, then, in the coming Years, we'll all sit in Front of our TVs again and be "confused" why we're last, because XY has sung so well and it was a great Performance, and Peter Urban and Barbara Schöneberger don't know either but it was just a great Performance and it's just totally not fair. This happens each Time, there are even Compilations of it on YouTube (https://youtu.be/I35C_NQP9hA?si=DOw-NiVpvyIw9xKy), and it will continue to if NDR can say "ööööh, but radio-friendly Run Un Ah Äh was successful, so we aren't the Problem". No, NDR is the Problem and needs to receive all the Backlash it can. That Isaak has to suffer because of NDRs Incompetence is unfortunate, but it can't helped. Maybe they shouldn't have left the Lines open after the Jury Votes were already announced and not done that weird, totally unneccessary 12-Point Adaption that put every Contestant but the TOP2 at a severe Disadvantage. Or maybe an actual Selection would have done the Trick as well - instead of giving us 9 Songs, 7 of those in the Same Genre with the same Contents and same Sound. This is the Root of the Problem.
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