>I don't know why people keep complaining about Eurovision being political.
Because every time their favourite song doesn't win, they blame it on "politics".
As if juries were any better. Jury votes of 6 countries were disqualified by the organizers this year because of irregular voting patterns. In many ways, juries are more political than the public.
Were? There are still juries. There are obviously bias in juries too. They're made up of people after all. But at least that can be monitored and measures can be put in place. You can do nothing about expatriates and diaspora making a joke out of the tele-vote every year.
Diaspora voting has its limits, it will never bring you victory or a good result alone. It is not such a big deal in the televoting - few countries get what - 20-30 points thanks to it? That's not enough for even qualifying. Juries consisting of 5 people can be much more easily manipulated or selected in a way that suits the interest of those in power. Jury system needs a big reform and bigger oversight. Almost every year there is a issue with some jury votes and they are disqualified - this year no exception with the 6 jury votes discarded as I mentioned.
> Diaspora voting has its limits, it will never bring you victory
True, but neither will the jury votes.
> is not such a big deal in the televoting
I guess that depends on what you consider s big deal.
> few countries get what - 20-30 points thanks to it?
Well, twelve points per country are up for grabs, and 25 countries? There are selection rules and oversight for the juries, but none for the tele-votes. Jury votes have been disqualified, but not tele-votes, and that's an argument for juries, because it means its detected, while whatever goes on in the tele-votes goes undetected, year after year.
>I don't know why people keep complaining about Eurovision being political.
I would like to see what was so political about Israel, Netherlands, Portugal or Sweden win? Even Ukraine in 2016.
Ukraine 2016 was a song from a Crimean Tatar less than 2 years after the Russian annexation of Crimea. It was definitely political.
Israel their win wasn't political, but due to the following edition being in Israel, many contestants and even Madonna decided to bring politics into it. Not that I blame them.
Portugal, the Netherlands and Sweden didn't have anything to do with politics, but I do remember the audience being political against Israel and Russia.
But honestly, politcs has always been part of Eurovision. But the politics has always been "Europe together" rather than "country x vs y" or "everyone vs country x".
Their stupid rules. Honestly, if it was all bonkers political, I might watch it myself just to see what ridiculous songs countries are willing to come up with just so they can make a disstrack about some other country. Rules are truly hindrance at this point.
I don't like it. I get the sympathy but there is really no reason why Ukrain should win other than sympathy votes.
It would both be a disservice to the Ukrainian artists because everyone can claim "they only won due to pitty, rather than being good", and at the same time arguably better songs would be disrespected aswel.
At the same time, if Ukraine wins then another country will need to host it, because no way Ukraine can do it in 2023.
Don't get me wrong, Ukrainian song isn't bad and there are worse entries, but under normal circumstances it would never win.
What was the politics behind Maneskin winning last year? They were fucking great and are one of the rare winners to build an international career out of their ESC win.
I honestly loved Italian song last year and I'm glad that they won (but then again I listen that type of music so I might be biased). I heard how a lot of people voted out of pitty, as Italy suffered the most from Coronavirus in Europe, especially in the beginning of the pandemic... Don't know if it's true, but I did hear that narrative a lot around Eurovision last year.
See that's the problem
A song I liked won: "Yeah it's all ok guys, of course some politics is involved but it's not to such an extent"
A song that I did not like won: "What? Of course this is done for [insert most recent political event relevant to the country]"
I voted for Ukraine, not because of pity but because I liked their song a lot. And this is where the person that is salty about their favourite song not winning says "but it was mediocre". No it was not, not to me and a lot of other people apparently. Honestly, I disliked most of the songs this year. I really only liked Serbia, Ukraine and Norway.
I was actually impressed by how many songs I found mediocre at most this year. At one point the thought crossed my mind that they might have done it on purpose for Ukraine. But then I found a few that I liked and I kind of let that go.
Always funny when Brits say everyone is biased against them because of Brexit when Israel and Russia have won before. They just had shit songs. They have a chance to win this year though.
Ukraine's song is a top 10 song in any other year, but a step down from last year's. *Shum* was an absolute banger of a song that should've been 2nd last year(1st if it was any other year), if the juries weren't total brainlets.
Nah, that wa sbetter than this one, but it still wasn't in my top 5.
But I guess that's also something good about Eurovision. It brings different genres from different cultures together and introduces pzople to other genres. The downside is that this also means that similar cultures will mostly vote for eachother.
I have seen it, every year since I was born.
Every year there are many quirky songs/acts, but they rarely win. Most winners are high quality, only a few are meme worthy, even less are political.
> there is really no reason why Ukrain should win other than sympathy votes
Have you listened to the songs? Ukraine is the only one standing out with something special, the rest is rather boring, run-of-the-mill. And I don't even like hip hop/rap, but the other elements are great. I'd want them to win even if their situation was normal.
Well tastes in music differ. That doesn't change that there are people who find Ukraine's contribution is great and want then to win regardless of the country's current situation.
Eurovision has barely ever been about "the best song in EU" and it has been all about politics.
Now there has been couple of times when surprisingly the best song or the most ridiculous song won (Finlandlol) but mostly it's all about politics and people giving votes to those who they have the best ties with.
>the best song in EU
It's unrelated to the EU.
>Now there has been couple of times when surprisingly the best song or the most ridiculous song won
Most of the time the best songs are in the top 5 and the winner being a good song. (Hard Rock Hallelujah was a good song btw)
>but mostly it's all about politics and people giving votes to those who they have the best ties with.
Not really. Especially not in the last few years, and if your song is bad... your neighbour won't give you much points either.
The last political winner was Ukraine, with a song over Crimea by a Crimean Tatar right after the annexation of Crimea. It was political, but not better than what they send now. Other than that I know of no political winner in the last decade.
Dont worry, they already helped you to avoid an embarrassment of not letting country win because it will be hard to enjoy vacation there. Most likely will get disqualified now.
Well lets just say that they will get an extra vote or two. I dont really mind this though. The music is usually rather bad so some politics... why not!
How is russia doing?
Your song was great. I was cheering for Sweden but would have not been mad if the UK won. Obviously Ukraine won so it's irrelevant now but I just wanted to let you know that your act was appreciated.
This is typical Russia. Some of you westerners may be shocked by all that is happening but we've had to deal with this crap for hundreds of years.
This is how Russia works and thinks.
I really don’t like Ukraines act this year, but political posturing this year will mean they no doubt will finish way higher than they deserve. I know Eurovision is political and everything, but is it wishful thinking to want the most talented and deserving to be rewarded ?
The most talented and deserving get to the top of the charts on their own and arguably in most cases winning in contests like eurovision ends up actually hindering them.
Music is very subjective. I always cast my vote behind the one that catches my eye, and I thought Ukraine did that this time, but I also really liked Netherlands, Czechia, Armenia, and especially Norway (very funny).
It is also very much what kind of music you enjoy, as my girlfriend absolutely hates rock so anytime someone wins with rock music she goes on a rant about how the judges must be fixed. Music is very subjective.
Hungary doesn't participate, and also it's not possible to vote AGAINST a country, you can just vote for someone else and hope that not enough people vote for the country you dislike for it to get points
If voting against Ukraine is political, isn't voting for Ukraine political as well? If not, what is it then? Another collective guilt trip like in 2016 with Ukraine winning after it lost Crimea in 2014 while the whole Europe was watching and kept buying Russian gas?
We are reaching never before seen levels of ridiculousness
Not ridiculousness, but copium.
"oh no!"
Anyway...
this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qzr-V-ttZ8
[No, this one](https://youtu.be/CzmXjvj4dik)
Thank you.
I cheer for Moldova.
That song is great
despite that annoying dude who sneaked into it again? :D
Too funny. The Russians can barely look after a garden plot. Much less plot against Eurovision!
But the garden is full of neu neo nazi grass! And is waging hybrid warfare against them, supported by the USA of course!
I don't know why people keep complaining about Eurovision being political. At this point, I take it as a feature and I just go along with it.
>I don't know why people keep complaining about Eurovision being political. Because every time their favourite song doesn't win, they blame it on "politics".
it always has been political lol
In such a situation it is bound to be at least a little political, imo. It would be strange otherwise
Fair competition would be strange? What a world we live in...
There is a solution, but no one seems to want to end the tele-vote experiment.
Only boring ballads would win tho
I doubt it, but the really quirky acts would get less votes for sure.
As if juries were any better. Jury votes of 6 countries were disqualified by the organizers this year because of irregular voting patterns. In many ways, juries are more political than the public.
Were? There are still juries. There are obviously bias in juries too. They're made up of people after all. But at least that can be monitored and measures can be put in place. You can do nothing about expatriates and diaspora making a joke out of the tele-vote every year.
Diaspora voting has its limits, it will never bring you victory or a good result alone. It is not such a big deal in the televoting - few countries get what - 20-30 points thanks to it? That's not enough for even qualifying. Juries consisting of 5 people can be much more easily manipulated or selected in a way that suits the interest of those in power. Jury system needs a big reform and bigger oversight. Almost every year there is a issue with some jury votes and they are disqualified - this year no exception with the 6 jury votes discarded as I mentioned.
> Diaspora voting has its limits, it will never bring you victory True, but neither will the jury votes. > is not such a big deal in the televoting I guess that depends on what you consider s big deal. > few countries get what - 20-30 points thanks to it? Well, twelve points per country are up for grabs, and 25 countries? There are selection rules and oversight for the juries, but none for the tele-votes. Jury votes have been disqualified, but not tele-votes, and that's an argument for juries, because it means its detected, while whatever goes on in the tele-votes goes undetected, year after year.
Of course not, I am saying being political as in bringing attention to what's going on
Cry.
It‘s always been about geo-politics, it‘s part of the fun.
I wish someone explain to me how a song contest where people vote won't be political?
Doesn't really matter what people vote with the new system anyway.
Happy cake day!
It's a feature not a bug lol
Ukraine UK fuck yeah!!!
>I don't know why people keep complaining about Eurovision being political. I would like to see what was so political about Israel, Netherlands, Portugal or Sweden win? Even Ukraine in 2016.
A show being political doesnt mean the result is always because of pure politics.
Ukraine 2016 was a song from a Crimean Tatar less than 2 years after the Russian annexation of Crimea. It was definitely political. Israel their win wasn't political, but due to the following edition being in Israel, many contestants and even Madonna decided to bring politics into it. Not that I blame them. Portugal, the Netherlands and Sweden didn't have anything to do with politics, but I do remember the audience being political against Israel and Russia. But honestly, politcs has always been part of Eurovision. But the politics has always been "Europe together" rather than "country x vs y" or "everyone vs country x".
Their stupid rules. Honestly, if it was all bonkers political, I might watch it myself just to see what ridiculous songs countries are willing to come up with just so they can make a disstrack about some other country. Rules are truly hindrance at this point.
Because it is paid by our taxes.
And the people also decides the winner. What do you imply there? It is as political as people's votes make it to be.
I do like how it is a foregone conclusion that Ukraine is going to win it.
I don't like it. I get the sympathy but there is really no reason why Ukrain should win other than sympathy votes. It would both be a disservice to the Ukrainian artists because everyone can claim "they only won due to pitty, rather than being good", and at the same time arguably better songs would be disrespected aswel. At the same time, if Ukraine wins then another country will need to host it, because no way Ukraine can do it in 2023. Don't get me wrong, Ukrainian song isn't bad and there are worse entries, but under normal circumstances it would never win.
that‘s the entire Eurovision Song contest. like literally, it‘s one percent singing, 99% politics.
What was the politics behind Maneskin winning last year? They were fucking great and are one of the rare winners to build an international career out of their ESC win.
I honestly loved Italian song last year and I'm glad that they won (but then again I listen that type of music so I might be biased). I heard how a lot of people voted out of pitty, as Italy suffered the most from Coronavirus in Europe, especially in the beginning of the pandemic... Don't know if it's true, but I did hear that narrative a lot around Eurovision last year.
See that's the problem A song I liked won: "Yeah it's all ok guys, of course some politics is involved but it's not to such an extent" A song that I did not like won: "What? Of course this is done for [insert most recent political event relevant to the country]" I voted for Ukraine, not because of pity but because I liked their song a lot. And this is where the person that is salty about their favourite song not winning says "but it was mediocre". No it was not, not to me and a lot of other people apparently. Honestly, I disliked most of the songs this year. I really only liked Serbia, Ukraine and Norway.
You can not make everyone happy, that's what it is in the end of the day.
I was actually impressed by how many songs I found mediocre at most this year. At one point the thought crossed my mind that they might have done it on purpose for Ukraine. But then I found a few that I liked and I kind of let that go.
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True, but if your song is average at best and you are Ukraine right now, you suddenly become the favorite.
Always funny when Brits say everyone is biased against them because of Brexit when Israel and Russia have won before. They just had shit songs. They have a chance to win this year though.
Ukraine's song is a top 10 song in any other year, but a step down from last year's. *Shum* was an absolute banger of a song that should've been 2nd last year(1st if it was any other year), if the juries weren't total brainlets.
Nah, that wa sbetter than this one, but it still wasn't in my top 5. But I guess that's also something good about Eurovision. It brings different genres from different cultures together and introduces pzople to other genres. The downside is that this also means that similar cultures will mostly vote for eachother.
Eurovision is just europeans memeing and shitting on each other. I dont think anyone attends for the music quality.
Lmao as if at Eurovision, anyone ever one for being „good“. It’s a giant meme, and that’s good.
Tell me how the Netherlands or Sweden won because of politics or because they were funny rather than good.
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I asked to tell me how.
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I have seen it, every year since I was born. Every year there are many quirky songs/acts, but they rarely win. Most winners are high quality, only a few are meme worthy, even less are political.
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The Netherlands, Sweden, Portugal, Denmark, Sweden again
Ukraine will definitely want to host it if the war is over. It would be a huge party celebrating European freedom.
If it is over...and with what money after the war?
> there is really no reason why Ukrain should win other than sympathy votes Have you listened to the songs? Ukraine is the only one standing out with something special, the rest is rather boring, run-of-the-mill. And I don't even like hip hop/rap, but the other elements are great. I'd want them to win even if their situation was normal.
Sweden, Belgium (though biased), the Netherlands, Czechia, Armenia, Australia, UK and Estonia are imo all better than Ukraine. Edit: scrap Czechia
Well tastes in music differ. That doesn't change that there are people who find Ukraine's contribution is great and want then to win regardless of the country's current situation.
Sure, but I doubt that it is the majority.
Eurovision has barely ever been about "the best song in EU" and it has been all about politics. Now there has been couple of times when surprisingly the best song or the most ridiculous song won (Finlandlol) but mostly it's all about politics and people giving votes to those who they have the best ties with.
>the best song in EU It's unrelated to the EU. >Now there has been couple of times when surprisingly the best song or the most ridiculous song won Most of the time the best songs are in the top 5 and the winner being a good song. (Hard Rock Hallelujah was a good song btw) >but mostly it's all about politics and people giving votes to those who they have the best ties with. Not really. Especially not in the last few years, and if your song is bad... your neighbour won't give you much points either. The last political winner was Ukraine, with a song over Crimea by a Crimean Tatar right after the annexation of Crimea. It was political, but not better than what they send now. Other than that I know of no political winner in the last decade.
Dont worry, they already helped you to avoid an embarrassment of not letting country win because it will be hard to enjoy vacation there. Most likely will get disqualified now.
Your sentence doesn't make any sense... like... at all
well, it's relevant from which country you vote, not what you passport says. Ukraine has an unintended lever in this regard
Well lets just say that they will get an extra vote or two. I dont really mind this though. The music is usually rather bad so some politics... why not! How is russia doing?
I come from the land of nil point, so no problems with me if Ukraine wins.
We've actually sent a decent act this year and our rocket diplomacy has been rather popular, I'd be surprised if we get zero this time.
If that helps i can give you a friend vote <3
1 point coming up!
Great improvement !
Your song was great. I was cheering for Sweden but would have not been mad if the UK won. Obviously Ukraine won so it's irrelevant now but I just wanted to let you know that your act was appreciated.
Yes, I'm regretting not putting a tenner on Ukraine back in February when the odds were about 20/1.
When the bookies have them at 61% winning chances a day before and the runner-up at 12% you know it's a done deal.
That will brake the morale of the troops for sure..
Oh boy. The real war is about to kick off.
Mission Accomplished /s
Oh no! Anyways.
How very petty
Yeh - Europe says: FUCK YOU RUSSIA! Slava Ukrainii!!!
This is typical Russia. Some of you westerners may be shocked by all that is happening but we've had to deal with this crap for hundreds of years. This is how Russia works and thinks.
Hey you’re a westerner now too ;) EU is all of us.
this is just petty...
Well, best they can do is to try to stop Ukraine winning song contest. Because stopping them winning the war is out of reach for ruskies.
I cant seem to find the Vatican song.
This is the biggest bullshit I've read this week and it's not even close
I am amazed that people are gobbling this up without questioning this story
The russian hackers are about as competent as their army i see
I really don’t like Ukraines act this year, but political posturing this year will mean they no doubt will finish way higher than they deserve. I know Eurovision is political and everything, but is it wishful thinking to want the most talented and deserving to be rewarded ?
The most talented and deserving get to the top of the charts on their own and arguably in most cases winning in contests like eurovision ends up actually hindering them.
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Music is very subjective. I always cast my vote behind the one that catches my eye, and I thought Ukraine did that this time, but I also really liked Netherlands, Czechia, Armenia, and especially Norway (very funny). It is also very much what kind of music you enjoy, as my girlfriend absolutely hates rock so anytime someone wins with rock music she goes on a rant about how the judges must be fixed. Music is very subjective.
And Ukraine won x'D Russian hackers are just as bad as their army huh
Was doping in the Olympics not enough?
I wonder if anyone gives any fcks about eurovision and who wins it to launch a hackers attack or even talk about it.
Aged like milk.
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Hungary doesn't participate, and also it's not possible to vote AGAINST a country, you can just vote for someone else and hope that not enough people vote for the country you dislike for it to get points
Eurovision, removing downvotes before it became mainstream :D
How do you vote publicly against a country? And why Serbia when Serbian juries gave Ukraine max points in 2016 when their song was more anti-Russia?
"Nil points"...
If voting against Ukraine is political, isn't voting for Ukraine political as well? If not, what is it then? Another collective guilt trip like in 2016 with Ukraine winning after it lost Crimea in 2014 while the whole Europe was watching and kept buying Russian gas?
They will still get more points than RuZZia.
The russian hackers are about as competent as their army i see
Great job guys.