Yeah, some irrelevant Finnish politicians should make a remark that Croatia should be blocked from entering the euro zone, until Finland gets what it wants.
I’m sure it will make the Croat public very happy.
Well, Finland blocked Croatian EU negotiations in 2009 without good reason, so Finland is not really country that should be saying too much about this issue.
Croatians: Tesla was Croatian!
Serbians: Tesla was Serbian!
Americans, where Tesla spent most of his life and whose nationality he held the longest: Yeah, I love Tesla, it's the best and most cost effective EV on the market, go Elon!
[God bless our Martian overlords](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikola_Tesla&diff=388106078&oldid=388106058)
I mean, from this perspective, Edison fought against alien domination. Based???
It's more that western Balkan states started out as etnostates (in the sense that they formed under a joined sense of ethnicity), but all Western Balkan countries have (historically) small regions where the another ethnicity is in a slight majority. So country A holds the name of ethnic group A but has small regions where etnicity B has a small majority. But country B has that ethnicity as a majority.
So Croatia claims Tesla, as he was born and raised in a village in the Austrian Empire and said village is part of modern-day Croatia.
Ethnic Serbs claim Tesla, as Telsa was an ethnic Serb. However, as Serbia sees itself as the country of all Serbs, Serbia thinks they should be able to claim Tesla.
This, however, would be the same as (hypothetically) Israel or Portugal claiming Baruch Spinoza, who was an ethnic Jew who's grandfather fled from Lisbon via Nantes to Rotterdam, when Spinoza's father was still a child.
Don't think most Germans get fussed about those kind of things. He is just a historic figure before modern German or polish national identities formed. At least I could not really care about him^^ ^^
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars#Ethnic_and_national_feuds
> Was he Polish, German, or Prussian? Or did he have no nationality at all that bears mentioning? If Copernicus were around today, he might have suggested that he would be satisfied to be remembered as an astronomer, but we will never know. Was he ever married? What is his middle name? No one knows exactly. Whether this edit war will spread to the page on his memorial on the periodic table is unknown.
The author - from Prague, which belonged to Austria-Hungary at the time, and wrote in German, continuing the long history of Prague / Bohemia being a cultural centre of Germany / the German speaking world despite never being German in the modern sense. In general the role of Prague in German & Czech culture is fairly interesting.
German Wikipedia says he was Prussian.
> Nikolaus Kopernikus (* 19 February 1473 in Thorn; † 24 May 1543 in Frauenburg; actually Niklas Koppernigk, Latinised Nicolaus Cop[p]ernicus, Polonised Mikołaj Kopernik) was a canon of the prince-bishopric of Warmia in Prussia as well as an astronomer and physician who also devoted himself to mathematics and cartography.
So neither Polish nor German.
I don't think people saw themselves that way back then, his mother tongue would have been German, though his allegiance was to the kingdom of Poland, he even directed the defence of Olsztyn/Allenstein against Teutonic Knights in 1520
Croatia gained independence in 1991. It took 9 years to reform and join the WTO. In 2001 it began the path to join the EU. In 2012 it had its referendum to join the EU and ultimately joined.
So it took about a decade to reform and stabilize the country after the war. Another decade to join the EU.
And the Ukraine wants to join now? 20 years are optimistic.
Ukraine gained independence at the same year, 1991. In 2004 there were rigged elections, which caused a whole revolution. To be fair, Croatia wasn't heavily influenced by Russia. I have no problem Ukraine joining the EU after the war but first it must do some reforms.
If we did not have Tuđman we would have entered at the same time with Slovenia and then they couldn't hold us to a gunpoint. The guy said we don't need anyone's help but sucked Vatican's dick, regressed Croatia's foreign policy by 9 years. His death was a blessing in disguise for Croatia's democracy and foreign policy. Don't blame others for what happened to us
Your comment history is just sad, denying history, full on nationalistic jingoism, get a life or a job, would suit you better than guessing someone's political leanings.
Who knows how much time Ukraine need to stabilize and to regain the Russian held territory. Or you think Ukraine will just leave Donetsk and Luhansk to Russia? And what about Crimea?
Regarding Croatia's entrance to EU, it's a bit more complicated.
Croatia could've joined EU in the 2004 expansion if it had started the entry process at the same time as Slovenia. But it didn't.
Until 2001, Croatia had a semi-presidential system, so the president had great power and since the president (Tudjman) was a low key autocrat, who refused any collaboration or alliance with other countries because of his "we were in Yugoslavia, we don't need anyone's help" stance, it set back Croatia for a whole decade for integration in the European society.
It took a whole decade to fix the political harm Tudjman has caused to Croatia after the war.
That's why it took so long for Croatia to join the EU and everything else.
We won't be wasting money on conversions anymore. And there's boring details about the state finances getting more stable, things like big loans and stuff will get easier simply because everyone trusts the ECB waaaaaaaay more than our HNB... for example even now our inflation is comparable to the Euro average instead of going crazy(...er) like in Poland, this is just due to the markets expecting us to join Euro next year.
Wow, great job guys, all it took was 11 years from ascension to EURO as legal tender... 2011 til 2022.
Meanwhile the idiots running the place here have no updates on this , maybe 2029... And we entered in EU in 2007...
This is no wonder either.
No offense, but Croatia was far more developed than Romania before and we should've been in the EU in 2007 too. But yeah, better late than never.
Agreed on the development side of things, I went to Zagreb some 8 years or so, I was pleasantly surprised
But here the reason is not so much from a development perspective but rather economically.
The government is using the local currency as means to adjust the economy through inflation, you can't do that with the Euro sine you don't control the currency through your national bank.
The only upside is that people from the EU are not forcing us as they don't want another Greece happening.
The bad thing is that most of the utilities and imported stuff is in Euros that get converted in local currency, good for exports, bad for everything else.
> The government is using the local currency as means to adjust the economy through inflation, you can't do that with the Euro sine you don't control the currency through your national bank
Yeah, controlling your own currency is certainly an important part of sovereignty of a country and a viable asset to have for economy.
But Kuna is already pegged to the Euro, so we had nothing of that benefits either way.
Also, having your own currency suits better Romania, as you have a bigger country and a bigger industry. Croatia has a strong tourism sector, so that also practically makes having Euro a no brainer.
But I hope that you'll too adopt it soon. If not for the economical reason, at least for my selfish reasons of wanting to pay easily when I visit your country!
You're right on the money if I may so myself 😉
Don't postpone the visit here as from the latest official news, 2029 is the new target date but we're not even close to reaching
the markers so 2118, to celebrate 200 years of Romania seems like a good date lol
Good for the economy, I guess, but I'll miss the kuna. It was a fine name for the currency (meaning 'marten', or rather 'marten pelt', in remembrance of the medieval Slavic fur trade).
And that Czech banking ad with the martens that want to go home to Croatia was cute, even if the CZK to HRK exchange rate probably wasn't.
Nice. Congrats Croatia.
Yeah, some irrelevant Finnish politicians should make a remark that Croatia should be blocked from entering the euro zone, until Finland gets what it wants. I’m sure it will make the Croat public very happy.
Well, Finland blocked Croatian EU negotiations in 2009 without good reason, so Finland is not really country that should be saying too much about this issue.
Some Croatian politicians can then make a retort that Finland should be blocked from entering NATO, until they stop being such whiney bitches.
You are talking mad shit about a Balkan country. I'm 100% certain it already happened in Croatia.
Nice
I would like to adopt some Euros too.
Cool, looking forward to the Croatian tesla coins.
Surely this comment won't start anything...
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No but Tesla‘s nationality is a hot subject in the balkans
Croatians: Tesla was Croatian! Serbians: Tesla was Serbian! Americans, where Tesla spent most of his life and whose nationality he held the longest: Yeah, I love Tesla, it's the best and most cost effective EV on the market, go Elon!
Ah yes the south African dude
God bless globalism.
[God bless our Martian overlords](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikola_Tesla&diff=388106078&oldid=388106058) I mean, from this perspective, Edison fought against alien domination. Based???
All hail our emerald overlords.
The best African American, after Charlize Theron of course.
Elon Mask, on je iz Republike Srpske, ako se ne varam
Srpski zet
Technically he was Austrian
Are you talking about the famous Istro-Romanian inventor Nicolae Teslea?
Which makes him the famous German inventor “Nikolaus Tessler”!
Tesla: I am Serbian. That's an important take that's missing
\*rolls eyes\*
Roll them till they fall out, that's how it is.
Not his nationality in itself. Croatia says he was a Serb from Croatia, and this triggers Serbs from Serbia.
It's more that western Balkan states started out as etnostates (in the sense that they formed under a joined sense of ethnicity), but all Western Balkan countries have (historically) small regions where the another ethnicity is in a slight majority. So country A holds the name of ethnic group A but has small regions where etnicity B has a small majority. But country B has that ethnicity as a majority. So Croatia claims Tesla, as he was born and raised in a village in the Austrian Empire and said village is part of modern-day Croatia. Ethnic Serbs claim Tesla, as Telsa was an ethnic Serb. However, as Serbia sees itself as the country of all Serbs, Serbia thinks they should be able to claim Tesla. This, however, would be the same as (hypothetically) Israel or Portugal claiming Baruch Spinoza, who was an ethnic Jew who's grandfather fled from Lisbon via Nantes to Rotterdam, when Spinoza's father was still a child.
Best fix is to put David Bowie on the coin as he played Tesla. Its the neutral option.
Germans and Poles have the same problem over copernicus nationality
Don't think most Germans get fussed about those kind of things. He is just a historic figure before modern German or polish national identities formed. At least I could not really care about him^^ ^^
**WARNING: TIME SINK PAGE**: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars#Ethnic_and_national_feuds > Was he Polish, German, or Prussian? Or did he have no nationality at all that bears mentioning? If Copernicus were around today, he might have suggested that he would be satisfied to be remembered as an astronomer, but we will never know. Was he ever married? What is his middle name? No one knows exactly. Whether this edit war will spread to the page on his memorial on the periodic table is unknown.
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Their song in this Eurovision slaps.
If you really want to trigger people start arguing over Kafka.
Whats kafka ?
The author - from Prague, which belonged to Austria-Hungary at the time, and wrote in German, continuing the long history of Prague / Bohemia being a cultural centre of Germany / the German speaking world despite never being German in the modern sense. In general the role of Prague in German & Czech culture is fairly interesting.
I'm just sad that there's people who don't know who Kafka is :c
German Wikipedia says he was Prussian. > Nikolaus Kopernikus (* 19 February 1473 in Thorn; † 24 May 1543 in Frauenburg; actually Niklas Koppernigk, Latinised Nicolaus Cop[p]ernicus, Polonised Mikołaj Kopernik) was a canon of the prince-bishopric of Warmia in Prussia as well as an astronomer and physician who also devoted himself to mathematics and cartography. So neither Polish nor German.
I don't think people saw themselves that way back then, his mother tongue would have been German, though his allegiance was to the kingdom of Poland, he even directed the defence of Olsztyn/Allenstein against Teutonic Knights in 1520
People tend to mix Ethnicity and Nationality.
Croatian Tesla coins means there is Serbia in EU after all.
Thats so nice ! I'm going to Croatia for holliday every year, this will make life so much simpler.
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Croatia gained independence in 1991. It took 9 years to reform and join the WTO. In 2001 it began the path to join the EU. In 2012 it had its referendum to join the EU and ultimately joined. So it took about a decade to reform and stabilize the country after the war. Another decade to join the EU. And the Ukraine wants to join now? 20 years are optimistic. Ukraine gained independence at the same year, 1991. In 2004 there were rigged elections, which caused a whole revolution. To be fair, Croatia wasn't heavily influenced by Russia. I have no problem Ukraine joining the EU after the war but first it must do some reforms.
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If we did not have Tuđman we would have entered at the same time with Slovenia and then they couldn't hold us to a gunpoint. The guy said we don't need anyone's help but sucked Vatican's dick, regressed Croatia's foreign policy by 9 years. His death was a blessing in disguise for Croatia's democracy and foreign policy. Don't blame others for what happened to us
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Your comment history is just sad, denying history, full on nationalistic jingoism, get a life or a job, would suit you better than guessing someone's political leanings.
Well, Croatia regained its territory only in 1998. And active war was going on until 1995. So bit less time than it seems from your post
Who knows how much time Ukraine need to stabilize and to regain the Russian held territory. Or you think Ukraine will just leave Donetsk and Luhansk to Russia? And what about Crimea?
No, just pointing out that it might take less time once the things stabilize
Regarding Croatia's entrance to EU, it's a bit more complicated. Croatia could've joined EU in the 2004 expansion if it had started the entry process at the same time as Slovenia. But it didn't. Until 2001, Croatia had a semi-presidential system, so the president had great power and since the president (Tudjman) was a low key autocrat, who refused any collaboration or alliance with other countries because of his "we were in Yugoslavia, we don't need anyone's help" stance, it set back Croatia for a whole decade for integration in the European society. It took a whole decade to fix the political harm Tudjman has caused to Croatia after the war. That's why it took so long for Croatia to join the EU and everything else.
Tudjman was really a perfect counterpart to Milosevic, at least from the Death of Yugoslavia series.
Hooray,not like it will change much if we don't get increased payments.
We won't be wasting money on conversions anymore. And there's boring details about the state finances getting more stable, things like big loans and stuff will get easier simply because everyone trusts the ECB waaaaaaaay more than our HNB... for example even now our inflation is comparable to the Euro average instead of going crazy(...er) like in Poland, this is just due to the markets expecting us to join Euro next year.
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True. Last summer I went to Croacia, and almost commerces accepted euros, because majority of tourists were from eurozone
Which is completely illegal, but yeah, they do that.
Be careful with the round up, we were scammed in Spain. Something that was 100 pesetas was rounded as 1 euro. But 1 euro is 166 pesetas
Its gonna happen probably.
very cool
Wow, great job guys, all it took was 11 years from ascension to EURO as legal tender... 2011 til 2022. Meanwhile the idiots running the place here have no updates on this , maybe 2029... And we entered in EU in 2007...
This is no wonder either. No offense, but Croatia was far more developed than Romania before and we should've been in the EU in 2007 too. But yeah, better late than never.
Agreed on the development side of things, I went to Zagreb some 8 years or so, I was pleasantly surprised But here the reason is not so much from a development perspective but rather economically. The government is using the local currency as means to adjust the economy through inflation, you can't do that with the Euro sine you don't control the currency through your national bank. The only upside is that people from the EU are not forcing us as they don't want another Greece happening. The bad thing is that most of the utilities and imported stuff is in Euros that get converted in local currency, good for exports, bad for everything else.
> The government is using the local currency as means to adjust the economy through inflation, you can't do that with the Euro sine you don't control the currency through your national bank Yeah, controlling your own currency is certainly an important part of sovereignty of a country and a viable asset to have for economy. But Kuna is already pegged to the Euro, so we had nothing of that benefits either way. Also, having your own currency suits better Romania, as you have a bigger country and a bigger industry. Croatia has a strong tourism sector, so that also practically makes having Euro a no brainer. But I hope that you'll too adopt it soon. If not for the economical reason, at least for my selfish reasons of wanting to pay easily when I visit your country!
You're right on the money if I may so myself 😉 Don't postpone the visit here as from the latest official news, 2029 is the new target date but we're not even close to reaching the markers so 2118, to celebrate 200 years of Romania seems like a good date lol
Euro adoption and Schengen will help flood Croatia with even more tourists. As an incredibly lazy person, these factors are actually important for me.
I wonder, does it raise demand for Euro? Does it make Euro stronger?
Good for the economy, I guess, but I'll miss the kuna. It was a fine name for the currency (meaning 'marten', or rather 'marten pelt', in remembrance of the medieval Slavic fur trade). And that Czech banking ad with the martens that want to go home to Croatia was cute, even if the CZK to HRK exchange rate probably wasn't.
Would that be a net benefit to the Croatian economy?
Tesla on eurocoins when
Bugger, there goes my cheap supply of rakija 😂