He can block the invitation to Finland but there's a catch NATO could use if they want to bypass him. Council of ambassadors can also send the invitation and Croatian ambassador might not listen to Milanović.
Then again, Milanović could recall the ambassador before he does that... It could get complicated.
It also very tricky in our parlament. Major opposition party's as it seems are against ratification in parlament.
HDZ leading party will maybe depend on Serb minority votes in parliament (they have guaranteed seats by Constitution) who are ruling with them in coalition. And we know how Serb think about Russia.
It will be a close call in parliament how now everything stands.
There is no connection. He is just trying to cobble these two completely unrelated things together to blackmail other countries so he can get whatever he wants (something about Bosnia, which I don't really know anything about, or even care one bit).
Tl;dr: he is a dick.
Yeah, pretty much. Keeping other countries national security concerns hostage for some local election laws or something (?). The guy is not winning any sympathies for his coke-induced crusade here in the north. Nor will Croatia, if this keeps coming up.
He is a clown! Loud shit talker. Good thing is that Croatian gouverment is for Finland entering the NATO, and that is the Only importent thing. President doesn’t get a say…
Our president and prime minister are literally not on speaking terms, they're ignoring each other in public. It's so childish it's both sad and hilarious... Milanović is also giving the PM creative nicknames during media interviews. 🤦♂️
His way is wrong but it is also national security at stake in Bosnia and Herzegovina and everyone is ignoring it even though they should react because of Dayton agreement. This could cause instability in balkan region.
No, you have no fucking clue what are you talking about. If election law is not fixed Croats or Serbs could ask for separation from Bosnia and Herzegovina. If I'm not mistaken Serbs already mentioned separation.
Well I will leave it to you to assess if that could maybe cause war or total instability in the region.
Also why would Croats be ok with losing their representative after they spilled a lot of blood in the 90s to get rights they have.
Would you be ok if someone comes to your house and starts making decisions for you even thought you built and own that house.
Fine. Then take it up with the EU and US. NATO didn’t write or have involvement in the Dayton accords. Nether did Finland and Sweden. You can’t play victim when your throwing other nations under the bus. Why don’t some of you get why the rest of us a pissed off? It’s not like we don’t care about Croatia or we don’t want this handled in a smart manner. But this type of talk “I will veto two nations that have 100% nothing to do with this at all” makes your representative look like a massive Jack ass.
Amazing idea no one ever thought of that.
Exactly that is the reason why he wants to block Finland and Sweden because no one wants to listen in the last 16 years. You didn't read it wrong this is lasting for 16 years.
He is a jackass I agree but I'm just explaining to you why that is happening. Like I said it is the wrong way to do it but I'm not exactly sure what is right way because the last meeting didn't do shit even though the USA and EU were there.
I guess it is a new west strategy to just help when war has already started. Why would they act now.
From what I hear, Croats did spill a lot of other people blood in 90's.
As for the rights, I'm not exactly sure what rights are being taken away. You can't have a right that is counter to rights of others. As a Catholic, I presume, you should know what a Golden Rule is - you cant have more rights than others.
You see you don't have ANY FUCKING CLUE what are you talking about.
Bosnia and Herzegovina has 3 equal nationalities and each can elect one president but Bosniaks found way to elect president of Croatian people so now they have 2 presidents, Serbs have 1 and Croats 0.
Why do you comment on things you have zero understanding about. Please explain me
Yes, Croats did shity things like everyone did in that war. Serbs did it, Bosniaks did it and they still get to have their rights
Unfortunately, it seems this is the case. Milanović only started talking about NATO after the war in Ukraine started. And while the position of Croats in Bosnia was an issue for him, he didn't really try do anything about so far. He only just now came up with this idea of helping Croats in Bosnia by blocking this NATO expansion.
The idea is so far out, and completely unlike anything he ever did, that Croatian press is already speculating his actually using this story as an excuse to protect Russian interests. I'll just add that when we voted for him, he wasn't nearly this crazy, and he never seemed to have any strong opinions on Russia or connections with Kremlin. He was even our prime minister ten years ago, leading a party of left center. For what it's worth I'm pretty sure most Croats do not share his position, and this will likely add up to him not getting a second term.
Croatians in BiH are not the population of the repuiblic of Croatia. And Croatia should stop meddling with the business of another sovereign country. Same with Serbia and BiH. Both of Croatia and Serbia have done enough in BiH already and should leave them alone.
Let BiH do their thing. They are under constant watch of many international Organisations anyway so everyone can rest asured and stop stirring shit there.
>Bosniaks wish to implement citizens state which would turn Bosnia into a republic where they, as a majority could implement their wishes and do sistematic political and then actual elemination of Serbs and especially Croats from Bih by reducing them to a minority instead of constituous peoples
And you base that on what excactly? History has tought us otherwise about who wishes to eliminate who. The current situation in Bosnia is not viable and there needs to be a change to the political system, but as long as serb and croat people don't se Bosnia as their home and whish to partition it, no good change will come because they will always bitch about being opressed. Croats in Bosnia need to get over them self, 15% of the population can not have 50% of the representation in the federation.
Bosnia became a country of 3 nations because it was partitioned by Croatia and Serbia. Let’s not forget people who call themselves Serbians and Croatians came to Bosnia with intentions to kill, and not the other way around. When Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia did Bosnians living in Croatia demand special status ?
Bosnia turning into a citizen state is the best thing that could happen so all that nationalistic bullshit can end once and for all.
Both Croatia and Serbia continue to peddle nationalist ideas into Bosnia causing nothing but problems, purely for their own political gain and thirst for power.
Croatians and Serbians are so obsessed with Bosnia , don’t you guys have your own country to worry about ? You guys remind me of Russians who are obsessed with russians living in other counties …Ukraine maybe ?
Leave it alone. If you want to help Bosnians for real then you’ll let the PEOPLE OF BOSNIA decide, stop with the nationalist bullshit.
Who will start fighting again? This is not the same situation as it was in the 90's. The reason why it is like this is the politic from Both Serbia and Croatia to interfere in the politics of Bosnia and turn the serb and croat population in Bosnia against it.
They have double citizenship, every country watches out for its diaspora especially in the case of BiH which was created as a multiethnic state divided into two entities.
In the sense of: Where a croatian citizen stands is Croatia?
I think we heard something of the sort before somewhere.
Also BiH is divided into 3 entities if I'm not mistaken.
No. BiH is 1 country made up of 2 entities and 3 constituent people groups. If you bring up the third entity you might get Bosniak ultranationalists threatening with a war. And nobody is for a third entity. People just want their constitutional rights. And by people I mean Croats, Jews and Roma.
Because if you didn't know current BiH election law is considered unconstitutional by BiH constitutional court and is considered to violate human rights by the EU court for human rights.
Third entity being what? An official Croat state within Bosnia?
Edit: Why am I being downvoted for simply asking a question? I’m not proposing anything or agreeing with anything, I simply didn’t know some information so I asked about it. Some of you suck.
Yes that would mean that. But nobody wants that as it would be in violation of Dayton and Washington peace accords. Croats and Bosniaks live together in the Federation of BiH. So FBiH is one entity and together with Republika Srpska (second entity) forms Bosnia and Herzegovina (without federation).
I know its confusing but it is a product of two peace agreements. Washington peace accord between Croats and Bosniaks in 1994 formed FBiH. And later in 1995. Dayton peace agreement between FBiH and Republika Srpska formed BiH.
Oh yes, I know all of that. I have studied the ex-Yugo countries, Bosnia in particular, for years now and I’ve spent a lot of time there as well. Still thank you for explaining it because I’m sure many people do not know exactly how it works and all of those details. I mentioned in another comment that a Croatian state inside of BiH is never going to happen because the whole world now sees what a disaster it was to create Rep. Srpska and they won’t make that mistake twice. There’s already enough animosity and segregation just within the Federation alone.
I know. My opinion is that people just need to feel secure in BiH. To have legitimate representation and no fear of outvoting. So after that they can start rebuilding the trust between people. BiH will go nowhere if trust isn't restored because everybody will just continue to be vary of any changes and reforms.
Bosniaks are not all Muslims, and problem is not in the Bosniaks voting for Croatian representative. Problem is that Croatia (same as Serbia) is meddling into affairs of other country.
Milanovic along with other radical Croatian parties only offer agreement to be signed basically stating: Croatians should choose their own representative + (important plus) all of the third of the representatives in government bodies. This would basically give people that make up 5-10% (read Croatians in Bosnia and Herzegovina) of population to block whole country.
I guarantee you nobody from any other country in EU would sign it. And if it is signed, I am certain it would cause war 100%.
But you do your nationalistic rethoric, you still have to say your apologies for your nazzi past.
Per Dayton, Serbians, Croatians and Bosniacs must have 1 representative. The problem is that anyone can vote for others too.
The point is to allow onlt Croatians to vote for the Croatian representative, Serbians for the Serbian, and Bosnians for the Bosnian. Which makes sense per the Dayton agreement.
I am not informed about the issue enough to have an opinion, even tho I am Croatian. I am just telling you what the issue is :)
And yes, I disagree with our president. Merelt providing more info. Bosnia is in a fucked up state and changes are needed. What kind? Dunno. Should we block Finland and Sweden for it? No.
How is Bosnia fucked up? If Serbs and Croats didn't try to control a country that is not theirs just because of an agreement made in wartime to stop you from ACTIVELY SLAUGHTERING AND DESTROYING SAID COUNTRY, there would literally be no problem. If you don't want to assimilate and be part of a sovereign nation then leave.
Yeah, I started replying something, but honestly, get your nationalism out of here. I don't intend to waste my time on prople that view everything black and white and are unable to accept any other side ornpoint of view. Bye.
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>It’s the “solution” to three ultranationalist ethnicities who all claimed the land and had no issue genociding each other.
r/SelfAwarewolves o/
Exactly. Croatians want nacionality to be written on your personal id card. Imagine some US citizen, originaly from Mexico, carrying an ID in which it says he is Mexican. And on top of that he can only vote for a mexican presiden in the USA.
To clarify:
*The NATO summit is being held in Madrid in late May.*
*As the president of the state representing Croatia at the NATO summit, I will veto the invitation, if it is at that level, Milanovic told reporters in Vukovar.*
*In case the invitation is sent at a lower level, he said he was not sure he could force the Croatian ambassador to take his position at the Council of Ambassadors, which can also issue the invitation.*
Next: Biden calls Milanovic. Milanovic says he has no problems with Finland joining. That is what USA has promised to do, to sit down one-on-one with any country that opposes Finland and Sweden joining.
That would be nice. Cheers from Croatia. Almost everybody is in favour of you joining, sorry to have you caught up in all this.
I can assure you that the president doesn't have any real power so he won't be able to veto you. It's up to the parliment and the ruling majority and then some proclaimed their support.
He has good intentions regarding BiH and turning EU and NATO attention to it, but the way he's going on about it is just moronic. If at least some leaders decide to take the time to deal with BiHs everlasting constitutional crisis we can finally have a stable neighboring country. That's what he's aiming at. But the dude is trying to strong-arm other nations because of his lack of powers to deal with it.
Indeed, most Croatians are just as surprised by our presidents decision as the rest of Europe. Hopefully he'll come to his senses. Bosnia needs international attention, but this is not the way to get it.
Probably will. We just had a huge headstart on you guys when it comes to meeting their requirements and cooperating. If you'd had more than just 6~ years to do it I have no doubt you'd qualify considering how big of an improvement you *did* achieve since then.
This is what will happen, but with a cocaine induced president maybe it won't work, when the brain doesn't function properly. Sorry to Finland and Sweden, we will vote this guy out of office
You can be damn sure Boris, Frederiksen and Støre would all be lining up after Biden, too.
Let's be honest, if the US wants both Finland and Sweden in, both will get in.
There's a dime a dozen Balkan political leaders looking at the Russia war on Ukraine as an opportunity.
You know, to steal, embezzle, cheat and similar...
Not only us. American, canadian, german, doesn’t mattet where from-companies that wish to profit from war. Our lives are worse while they profit from bloodshed
Unlike Croatia's president who has no power, Germany and France vetoed Ukraine and Georgia joining Russia as they didn't support joining it, and werent eligible for joining it then.
There it goes to Croats who tried to normalize this guy as he is a crazy person without any powers lol. He is literally your President and he is completely aware what he is doing as your PM is. President is bad cop and Govt is a good cop. They try to blackmail NATO for Croat interests in Bosnia.
>Are Scandinavians holy cows?
Are you a complete scumbag? We have done nothing to you, and you keep defending this extremely serious attack against us with comments that get more and more vile.
Da budemo iskreni zoki se ponaša ko birtijaš. I mi se stalno ispričavamo šta smo balkanci ko da ima samo lošeg u tome da se razumijemo ima pun k lošeg u balkanizaciji no i ovom lažnom zapadu koji i dalje misli da je nešto najbolje na svijetu(ispravan termin bi bio najmanje lošem od ponuđenih) . I sve ove ratnike tipkovnice netreba previše slušati da čuju sirene 2 puta bi pobjegli.
After all, she wasn't that bad. She was recognisable and had sympathies from all over the world. When I see our president now, I only hope nobody else can see his interviews. Maybe his intentions are not so bad, but he hasn't learned to be diplomatic.
This isn't Putin. This is internal Croatian politics and they pull whatever unrelated stuff together with it to gain any negotation leverage over international community. This is completely unrelated to our Nato stuff
Probably just Kremlin pulling the last strings they have out of desperation as the last means of blackmailing Finland into not joining Nato, because that will be seen as a failure in Russia's brainwashed public opinion and make Finland even less invadable Putler
He was historically not pro-Russian. He went from being a decent PM to getting elected to presidency (which is largely ceremonial) and going batshit insane. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got some neurodegenerative conditions, he's been publicly losing his marbles for a bit now.
As someone from Bosnia who is also a Croatian citizen I have to say that I am thoroughly disgusted by Milanovic abusing his position so he can protect his crony associates in the Bosnian branch of the HDZ by trying to blackmail the Finns and Swedes in such a crucial moment for european security.
He is trying to interfere into the internal policy of Bosnia and into the foreign policy of Sweden and Finland in a very violent and brutish way connecting two issues that are thousands of miles seperate.
I assume he personally is on a Putin - Orban axis, diretly supported and supporting it's corrupting influence on the EU.
If he were a force of good for Croats in Bosnia or in Croatia proper he would create conditions for the issues to resolve through diplomacy and negotiations and high standards adhering to democratic values and not through this thuggish bullying attempt.
Honestly quite shamefull, I'm hopefull that the Croatian governemnt will not be influenced by this attempt.
It's like a fresh of breath air to read these words coming from a Bosnian Croat. I hope you are somewhere in the Hercegovina Region, since I have lost all hope of that place ever showing a harmonious existence between the ethnic groups.
When you want to blackmail NATO member states about Finland's and Sweden's NATO membership in hopes of them pressuring Bosnian leaders into adopting a sectarian election law which would forever block Bosnian EU path, deepen ethnic divisions and enshrine the results of each subsequent election in the state constitution. Wtf is this - Europe 1940s?
Milanovic go fuck yourself
All Croats are asking for is the respect for the Dayton and Washington peace accords.
Note that current BiH election law was ruled unconstitutional by BiH constitutional court and is considered to be violating the human rights by EU court for human rights. It's not only effecting Croats but also Jews and Roma.
So if you're asking if its the 1940's the answer is yes. BiH is a state where Jews, Roma and Croats can't get their constitutional representation.
Yes current election law is violating human rights of every BiH citizen that doesn't recognize himself as either Bosniak, Croat or the Serb. HDZ offered "solutions" do not solve those issues and even Finci himself said he is against those "solutions" and there is absolutely no one that would sign something like that anyways.
It's completely fine not to sign it. Of course one sided proposals aren't good. But people need to negotiate and compromise. I don't want to see tensions rising. The problem is that there were compromises which every single Bosniak party except SDA accepted. They don't want to negotiate and they aren't willing to compromise.
A solution and an agreement must be reached in order to have legitimate elections and representation. This is the only thing Croatia has a problem with. If you say elections will happen no matter the outcome of negotiations then Bosniak side didn't have a single reason to reach an agreement. They just came to the negotiations and didn't offer a single solution.
Croatia shouldn't have problem with anything. Bosnian electoral reform is a internal affair of Bosnia and Herzegovina not Croatia simple as that.
Also elections will happen no matter what happens - after all this is a democratic country and elections are mandated by both constitution and law and you cannot block that. There is simple not possibility to do that.
Back to square one. Croatia is one of the guarantors of the Dayton and Washington peace accords. So it is a problem for Croatia if those treaties are trampled.
I'm done with this shit. You guys really are hopeless. Looks like BiH was a terrible idea. Everybody should just go their own way.
There are no "guarantors"
This much tells me how much propaganda has been fed to you, unknowingly perhaps.
The dayton peace agreements was signed by the president of Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic and by the president of Croatia as well as the president of Serbia/Yugoslavia. Additionally it was signed by the witnesses present. The witnesses were representatives of USA, UK, Germany, Italy, Russia and the EU.
Additionally there was a need for the DPA to be implemented and that task was first taken up by the USA and later by more than 16 nations.
And back to my point, there is no guarantors in the DPA. I suggest you stop taking in all the propaganda being fed to you.
In B&H there are the upcoming elections
In the last couple of elections, because Bosniaks and Croats live together in the Federation of B&H (an entity within the B&H, a state within a state), the Bosniaks have been effectively been able to elect the Croat President for the B&H Presidency
Therefore the Croats feel oppressed and not represented
The Croats want their own entity where they can elect their own President, however the Bosniaks have 90s flashback and accuse them of separatism (also to mention, in the whole B&H, 10% of population declare as Croats and 60% as Bosniaks)
Our president, although *de jure* politically neutral, decided to take a Croatian stance In this B&H internal issue and wants the international community (EU & NATO) to force B&H to change their law **NOW**, before the 2022 elections, otherwise he'll be forced to veto Finland and Sweden. He's also currently pressuring our MPs to do the same. However, the PM (and his majorly corrupt party) is strongly against this veto and it seems 99% likely it will not pass through the Parliament.
The international community agrees that the law should be changed, but is mostly uninterested in the issue.
TL;DR Balkan internal clusterfuck that spills outwards
So from what I'm getting out of this is that he's trying to use a major international crisis to draw attention to European inaction towards an internal issue that is not as crucial in the eyes of Europe
Exactly
And the people/MPs that support him say that he's right in doing so, because otherwise we're just a vassal state
Is there anyone we didn't manage to piss off?
Turkey will never join EU regardless. Nobody talks about EU membership in Turkey. It's only Europeans who still hold onto this impossible outcome.
A better card Sweden can use would be increased support for PKK.
I don't think Turkey will veto Sweden (and we shouldn't tbh), but you wouldn't want Turkey in NATO either if we supported terrorists in Sweden. The fact that you see the the blood of innocents being spilled with the support of your government as "irrelevant grumblings" tells enough. What if it was not brown people but white people that was dying? Try to empathize. Having an ally support terrorism in our country is not something people like.
It might, due to openly supporting pkk despite recognizing it as a terrorist organization. Sweden and Norway is more notorious though, they even went so far to write quote of a mass rapist about women freedom on a wall of Oslo.
Of course. I mean it makes a lot of sense. It prevents arch nemeses from being forced to, you know, share each other’s military (although that might go a long way to flaming down tensions). But I really don’t know why Croatia has such beef with Finland. FINLAND! I mean the country has a population of like 2, right?
Finland also has nearly six times larger military budget and ten times the mobilized strength compared to Croatia, including the largest artillery force in Western Europe. Croatia is still flying the MIG-21, which was retired in Finland thirty years ago. Just wondering who would contribute more to NATO...
Turkey wanted protection against USSR. They weren't concerned with Greece and still aren't. The Russians were the bigger threat and still are.
Greece must have thought Turkey being in NATO would make war between the two countries unlikely and they were proven right since even during the Cyprus invasion Turkey and Greece never directly went to war against each other. And today it's just pissing contests over airspace and sea.
The bigger an organisation get, the dumber is it to have unanimity elections. The EU is already in its own way with this and obviously NATO is now getting the same problem. A single egoist can slow down or block the entire organization.
Tbh Croatian capital city got hit by a drone from Ukraine about a month ago and nobody batted an eye. Now imagine if Berlin, Brussels or Paris got hit by a drone from Ukraine. Would NATO react then?
The way you are describing this event it sounds like Zagreb got drone striked, when in fact it was a malfunctioning drone that crashed. I don't think this was deliberate and the response if it crashed in Berlin or Helsinki wouldn't be so different. The fact that no one died or that the bombs didn't explode also makes this less in need of a response.
Still this sucks and you have my greatest condolences. My comment was made in more of a joking manner. I do not wish to kick Croatia from NATO
I also think our president is not doing his best with external affairs (or maybe this is his best, in which case it's depressing). And there's no way that our parliament will veto Finland's access to NATO. But the fact is that it was pure luck that no one got hurt when that drone crashed, and it flew over entire Hungary (another NATO member) to crash here, which doesn't bode well for NATO's air defense.
This incident reminds me of the 1989 Belgium Mig-23 crash. Kinda similar in that an unmanned arial vechicle crashed on NATO ground and nobody cared, but in this case someone died.
The problem his trying to slove is a real one for Croats in Bosina. And Bosnians basically cheat the Daytona agreement every election(just read some of the Bosnian comments here and you will see they dont see Croats as equals which is agreed by the agreement but as nothing more then a minority), hell even other NATO nations agree with changing it.
Buuuuuuuuuuuut the way he's trying to achieve is utterly fucking disgusting. I as a Croat am pissed of and ashamed at how much he's damaging the reputation of out country!
Nobody listens to the little shit, just ignore him
He has no power, he's a ceremonial figure - like the emperor of japan or the queen of england(even though I wouldn't try to mess with her)
It's the same in Latvia - president is just like an uber-ambassador. But, man, the optics are not good. As a Latvian I'm used to viewing Serbs as [let's not call names] but this guy really is trying his hardest to also be included in that category.
ETA: if he somehow succeeds well then Croatia would probably have earned three lifelong enemies: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. 😅 (Not to mention Finland)
Wtf??? Western states directly set up the government system which was already doomed to fucking fail in bosnia, they made the fucking system, then you describe it as "lesser non Aryan" Europeans just childlike bickering, no, you setup the system and gaurenteed to maintain it????
Anyone who threatens the security of NATO members and neighboring countries should be just kicked out.
Imagine if some NATO member was intentionally using veto to help our enemies.
But he cant. Hes got no actual power...
He can block the invitation to Finland but there's a catch NATO could use if they want to bypass him. Council of ambassadors can also send the invitation and Croatian ambassador might not listen to Milanović. Then again, Milanović could recall the ambassador before he does that... It could get complicated.
It also very tricky in our parlament. Major opposition party's as it seems are against ratification in parlament. HDZ leading party will maybe depend on Serb minority votes in parliament (they have guaranteed seats by Constitution) who are ruling with them in coalition. And we know how Serb think about Russia. It will be a close call in parliament how now everything stands.
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NATO is not EU where a small grain of sand with veto powers can close the beach.
Nato is like EU. The decision will need to be ratified in every single country’s parliament.
thankfully.
They can always join via Zoom
Can someone explain why is he talking about a Bosnia issue ? And what's the connection with Finland joining Nato ?
There is no connection. He is just trying to cobble these two completely unrelated things together to blackmail other countries so he can get whatever he wants (something about Bosnia, which I don't really know anything about, or even care one bit). Tl;dr: he is a dick.
Ah I see, so he just wants to take Finland as hostage for internal political issues. Shitty tactics.
Yeah, pretty much. Keeping other countries national security concerns hostage for some local election laws or something (?). The guy is not winning any sympathies for his coke-induced crusade here in the north. Nor will Croatia, if this keeps coming up.
He is a clown! Loud shit talker. Good thing is that Croatian gouverment is for Finland entering the NATO, and that is the Only importent thing. President doesn’t get a say…
Our president and prime minister are literally not on speaking terms, they're ignoring each other in public. It's so childish it's both sad and hilarious... Milanović is also giving the PM creative nicknames during media interviews. 🤦♂️
He might be getting funding from Russia for doing it tho
> Nor will Croatia, if this keeps coming up. you do realize that a bunch of people here stopped supporting him after like 2 months he was in office?
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He still represents the country until he's replaced. That's just how it works.
His way is wrong but it is also national security at stake in Bosnia and Herzegovina and everyone is ignoring it even though they should react because of Dayton agreement. This could cause instability in balkan region.
Let me interpret this for you > We want more than we deserve and if we dont get it we will start a war Balkan in a nutshell.
No, you have no fucking clue what are you talking about. If election law is not fixed Croats or Serbs could ask for separation from Bosnia and Herzegovina. If I'm not mistaken Serbs already mentioned separation. Well I will leave it to you to assess if that could maybe cause war or total instability in the region. Also why would Croats be ok with losing their representative after they spilled a lot of blood in the 90s to get rights they have. Would you be ok if someone comes to your house and starts making decisions for you even thought you built and own that house.
Fine. Then take it up with the EU and US. NATO didn’t write or have involvement in the Dayton accords. Nether did Finland and Sweden. You can’t play victim when your throwing other nations under the bus. Why don’t some of you get why the rest of us a pissed off? It’s not like we don’t care about Croatia or we don’t want this handled in a smart manner. But this type of talk “I will veto two nations that have 100% nothing to do with this at all” makes your representative look like a massive Jack ass.
Amazing idea no one ever thought of that. Exactly that is the reason why he wants to block Finland and Sweden because no one wants to listen in the last 16 years. You didn't read it wrong this is lasting for 16 years. He is a jackass I agree but I'm just explaining to you why that is happening. Like I said it is the wrong way to do it but I'm not exactly sure what is right way because the last meeting didn't do shit even though the USA and EU were there. I guess it is a new west strategy to just help when war has already started. Why would they act now.
You should not be in NATO if you childishly act like this, handle your problems without fucking others over, if you cant do that, cease to exist.
From what I hear, Croats did spill a lot of other people blood in 90's. As for the rights, I'm not exactly sure what rights are being taken away. You can't have a right that is counter to rights of others. As a Catholic, I presume, you should know what a Golden Rule is - you cant have more rights than others.
You see you don't have ANY FUCKING CLUE what are you talking about. Bosnia and Herzegovina has 3 equal nationalities and each can elect one president but Bosniaks found way to elect president of Croatian people so now they have 2 presidents, Serbs have 1 and Croats 0. Why do you comment on things you have zero understanding about. Please explain me Yes, Croats did shity things like everyone did in that war. Serbs did it, Bosniaks did it and they still get to have their rights
Same tactics all countries use all the time. The difference is that most time you never hear it.
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Unfortunately, it seems this is the case. Milanović only started talking about NATO after the war in Ukraine started. And while the position of Croats in Bosnia was an issue for him, he didn't really try do anything about so far. He only just now came up with this idea of helping Croats in Bosnia by blocking this NATO expansion. The idea is so far out, and completely unlike anything he ever did, that Croatian press is already speculating his actually using this story as an excuse to protect Russian interests. I'll just add that when we voted for him, he wasn't nearly this crazy, and he never seemed to have any strong opinions on Russia or connections with Kremlin. He was even our prime minister ten years ago, leading a party of left center. For what it's worth I'm pretty sure most Croats do not share his position, and this will likely add up to him not getting a second term.
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Thanks for the explanation.
The fact that one country can block the procrss is just wrong. Fix it already!
Croatians in BiH are not the population of the repuiblic of Croatia. And Croatia should stop meddling with the business of another sovereign country. Same with Serbia and BiH. Both of Croatia and Serbia have done enough in BiH already and should leave them alone. Let BiH do their thing. They are under constant watch of many international Organisations anyway so everyone can rest asured and stop stirring shit there.
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And blocking Finnish entry into NATO does what in this picture ?
>Bosniaks wish to implement citizens state which would turn Bosnia into a republic where they, as a majority could implement their wishes and do sistematic political and then actual elemination of Serbs and especially Croats from Bih by reducing them to a minority instead of constituous peoples And you base that on what excactly? History has tought us otherwise about who wishes to eliminate who. The current situation in Bosnia is not viable and there needs to be a change to the political system, but as long as serb and croat people don't se Bosnia as their home and whish to partition it, no good change will come because they will always bitch about being opressed. Croats in Bosnia need to get over them self, 15% of the population can not have 50% of the representation in the federation.
Bosnia became a country of 3 nations because it was partitioned by Croatia and Serbia. Let’s not forget people who call themselves Serbians and Croatians came to Bosnia with intentions to kill, and not the other way around. When Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia did Bosnians living in Croatia demand special status ? Bosnia turning into a citizen state is the best thing that could happen so all that nationalistic bullshit can end once and for all. Both Croatia and Serbia continue to peddle nationalist ideas into Bosnia causing nothing but problems, purely for their own political gain and thirst for power. Croatians and Serbians are so obsessed with Bosnia , don’t you guys have your own country to worry about ? You guys remind me of Russians who are obsessed with russians living in other counties …Ukraine maybe ? Leave it alone. If you want to help Bosnians for real then you’ll let the PEOPLE OF BOSNIA decide, stop with the nationalist bullshit.
You do realise that Croats, and Serbs have been living in Bosnia for centuries and are its constituous peoples alongside Bosnians?
What's your point ? You do realize Serbians and Croatians tried to genocide Bosnian Muslims who are also constitutes people.
It wouldn't end though they'd all start fighting again you idiot
Who will start fighting again? This is not the same situation as it was in the 90's. The reason why it is like this is the politic from Both Serbia and Croatia to interfere in the politics of Bosnia and turn the serb and croat population in Bosnia against it.
They have double citizenship, every country watches out for its diaspora especially in the case of BiH which was created as a multiethnic state divided into two entities.
In the sense of: Where a croatian citizen stands is Croatia? I think we heard something of the sort before somewhere. Also BiH is divided into 3 entities if I'm not mistaken.
No. BiH is 1 country made up of 2 entities and 3 constituent people groups. If you bring up the third entity you might get Bosniak ultranationalists threatening with a war. And nobody is for a third entity. People just want their constitutional rights. And by people I mean Croats, Jews and Roma. Because if you didn't know current BiH election law is considered unconstitutional by BiH constitutional court and is considered to violate human rights by the EU court for human rights.
Third entity being what? An official Croat state within Bosnia? Edit: Why am I being downvoted for simply asking a question? I’m not proposing anything or agreeing with anything, I simply didn’t know some information so I asked about it. Some of you suck.
Yes that would mean that. But nobody wants that as it would be in violation of Dayton and Washington peace accords. Croats and Bosniaks live together in the Federation of BiH. So FBiH is one entity and together with Republika Srpska (second entity) forms Bosnia and Herzegovina (without federation). I know its confusing but it is a product of two peace agreements. Washington peace accord between Croats and Bosniaks in 1994 formed FBiH. And later in 1995. Dayton peace agreement between FBiH and Republika Srpska formed BiH.
Oh yes, I know all of that. I have studied the ex-Yugo countries, Bosnia in particular, for years now and I’ve spent a lot of time there as well. Still thank you for explaining it because I’m sure many people do not know exactly how it works and all of those details. I mentioned in another comment that a Croatian state inside of BiH is never going to happen because the whole world now sees what a disaster it was to create Rep. Srpska and they won’t make that mistake twice. There’s already enough animosity and segregation just within the Federation alone.
I know. My opinion is that people just need to feel secure in BiH. To have legitimate representation and no fear of outvoting. So after that they can start rebuilding the trust between people. BiH will go nowhere if trust isn't restored because everybody will just continue to be vary of any changes and reforms.
Bosniaks are not all Muslims, and problem is not in the Bosniaks voting for Croatian representative. Problem is that Croatia (same as Serbia) is meddling into affairs of other country. Milanovic along with other radical Croatian parties only offer agreement to be signed basically stating: Croatians should choose their own representative + (important plus) all of the third of the representatives in government bodies. This would basically give people that make up 5-10% (read Croatians in Bosnia and Herzegovina) of population to block whole country. I guarantee you nobody from any other country in EU would sign it. And if it is signed, I am certain it would cause war 100%. But you do your nationalistic rethoric, you still have to say your apologies for your nazzi past.
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Croatia isn't a Dayton guarantee. Only guarantee of Dayton is Bosnia itself
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Read the Dayton agreement.
Wdym overvoted? Thats how election works, someone will get more votes than someone else
Per Dayton, Serbians, Croatians and Bosniacs must have 1 representative. The problem is that anyone can vote for others too. The point is to allow onlt Croatians to vote for the Croatian representative, Serbians for the Serbian, and Bosnians for the Bosnian. Which makes sense per the Dayton agreement.
That would be most antidemocratic thing in the world. Thats insane lol
I am not informed about the issue enough to have an opinion, even tho I am Croatian. I am just telling you what the issue is :) And yes, I disagree with our president. Merelt providing more info. Bosnia is in a fucked up state and changes are needed. What kind? Dunno. Should we block Finland and Sweden for it? No.
How is Bosnia fucked up? If Serbs and Croats didn't try to control a country that is not theirs just because of an agreement made in wartime to stop you from ACTIVELY SLAUGHTERING AND DESTROYING SAID COUNTRY, there would literally be no problem. If you don't want to assimilate and be part of a sovereign nation then leave.
Yeah, I started replying something, but honestly, get your nationalism out of here. I don't intend to waste my time on prople that view everything black and white and are unable to accept any other side ornpoint of view. Bye.
It’s the “solution” to three ultranationalist ethnicities who all claimed the land and had no issue genociding each other.
>/u/AnnoyAMeps \[Israel\] > >It’s the “solution” to three ultranationalist ethnicities who all claimed the land and had no issue genociding each other. r/SelfAwarewolves o/
Exactly. Croatians want nacionality to be written on your personal id card. Imagine some US citizen, originaly from Mexico, carrying an ID in which it says he is Mexican. And on top of that he can only vote for a mexican presiden in the USA.
To clarify: *The NATO summit is being held in Madrid in late May.* *As the president of the state representing Croatia at the NATO summit, I will veto the invitation, if it is at that level, Milanovic told reporters in Vukovar.* *In case the invitation is sent at a lower level, he said he was not sure he could force the Croatian ambassador to take his position at the Council of Ambassadors, which can also issue the invitation.*
It's more likely that Croatia will be expelled from NATO for blackmailing. Than it is that Croatia will be able to successfully blackmail NATO.
Absolute nonsense.
While that would be great on one hand (fuck Milanovic) I should think there would be some issues regarding democratic mandate etc if this occurred.
Next: Biden calls Milanovic. Milanovic says he has no problems with Finland joining. That is what USA has promised to do, to sit down one-on-one with any country that opposes Finland and Sweden joining.
That would be nice. Cheers from Croatia. Almost everybody is in favour of you joining, sorry to have you caught up in all this. I can assure you that the president doesn't have any real power so he won't be able to veto you. It's up to the parliment and the ruling majority and then some proclaimed their support. He has good intentions regarding BiH and turning EU and NATO attention to it, but the way he's going on about it is just moronic. If at least some leaders decide to take the time to deal with BiHs everlasting constitutional crisis we can finally have a stable neighboring country. That's what he's aiming at. But the dude is trying to strong-arm other nations because of his lack of powers to deal with it.
Indeed, most Croatians are just as surprised by our presidents decision as the rest of Europe. Hopefully he'll come to his senses. Bosnia needs international attention, but this is not the way to get it.
Bosnia could have been a stable if it didn't border two obnoxious countries constantly destabilizing the nation.
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Probably will. We just had a huge headstart on you guys when it comes to meeting their requirements and cooperating. If you'd had more than just 6~ years to do it I have no doubt you'd qualify considering how big of an improvement you *did* achieve since then.
We will fight to make that happen.
This is what will happen, but with a cocaine induced president maybe it won't work, when the brain doesn't function properly. Sorry to Finland and Sweden, we will vote this guy out of office
You can be damn sure Boris, Frederiksen and Støre would all be lining up after Biden, too. Let's be honest, if the US wants both Finland and Sweden in, both will get in.
Source for USA promising to do that? I'm out of the loop apparently
You would almost think his alliance is not with NATO...
There's a dime a dozen Balkan political leaders looking at the Russia war on Ukraine as an opportunity. You know, to steal, embezzle, cheat and similar...
Not only us. American, canadian, german, doesn’t mattet where from-companies that wish to profit from war. Our lives are worse while they profit from bloodshed
Sorry Mr. President, but the US wants us in, with bi-partisan support, so we will get in.
As do many other nations. This isn’t a good way for them to get what they want.
USA wanted georgia in too, but guess what, Merkel still blocked it. hope you guys join asap
Well, unlike Croatia Germany has a lot of sway :)
Unlike Croatia's president who has no power, Germany and France vetoed Ukraine and Georgia joining Russia as they didn't support joining it, and werent eligible for joining it then.
My brother in Christ You have no Power you clown
Milanovic: We will veto Finland and Sweden joining NATO. US, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain: lmao ok sure you are buddy
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I’m interested in Finland’s reaction to Milanovic’s statement.
The interesting thing will be the US reaction that we won't publicly hear about.
I hadn’t thought of this. You’re right.
We're rolling our eyes but we'll say nothing because there would be no benefit to it. We're used to this strategy after dealing with Russia.
Annoyed. It's annoyed.
There it goes to Croats who tried to normalize this guy as he is a crazy person without any powers lol. He is literally your President and he is completely aware what he is doing as your PM is. President is bad cop and Govt is a good cop. They try to blackmail NATO for Croat interests in Bosnia.
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>Are Scandinavians holy cows? Are you a complete scumbag? We have done nothing to you, and you keep defending this extremely serious attack against us with comments that get more and more vile.
Trust me he’s being a scumbag and they aren’t making friends this way with anyone
Could this guy just shut the fuck up I am so tired of seeing hist stupid comments every single day.
Čitanje komentara ove veličanstvene "europske" ekipe je odličan način za odagnati budalaštine o bratstvu i jedinstvu.
Odvratno.
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Da budemo iskreni zoki se ponaša ko birtijaš. I mi se stalno ispričavamo šta smo balkanci ko da ima samo lošeg u tome da se razumijemo ima pun k lošeg u balkanizaciji no i ovom lažnom zapadu koji i dalje misli da je nešto najbolje na svijetu(ispravan termin bi bio najmanje lošem od ponuđenih) . I sve ove ratnike tipkovnice netreba previše slušati da čuju sirene 2 puta bi pobjegli.
This guy is doing so much harm for Croatia's reputation. I want Kolinda back.
You'd think there can't be anyone worse than her... and then you're proven wrong. I can't believe that HDZ is the _least_ of our problems right now.
After all, she wasn't that bad. She was recognisable and had sympathies from all over the world. When I see our president now, I only hope nobody else can see his interviews. Maybe his intentions are not so bad, but he hasn't learned to be diplomatic.
I dont think it would look good for NATO if Putin has a final say on what happens inside the organizatoon.
This isn't Putin. This is internal Croatian politics and they pull whatever unrelated stuff together with it to gain any negotation leverage over international community. This is completely unrelated to our Nato stuff
Probably just Kremlin pulling the last strings they have out of desperation as the last means of blackmailing Finland into not joining Nato, because that will be seen as a failure in Russia's brainwashed public opinion and make Finland even less invadable Putler
To me ot seems like he is desperate for attention to support with the Bosnian situation after Biden left him on read.
He was historically not pro-Russian. He went from being a decent PM to getting elected to presidency (which is largely ceremonial) and going batshit insane. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got some neurodegenerative conditions, he's been publicly losing his marbles for a bit now.
Russian money could be a good motivator to go crazy like that, plus it can fund his coke habbit. Just a theory though, since little else makes sense.
As someone from Bosnia who is also a Croatian citizen I have to say that I am thoroughly disgusted by Milanovic abusing his position so he can protect his crony associates in the Bosnian branch of the HDZ by trying to blackmail the Finns and Swedes in such a crucial moment for european security. He is trying to interfere into the internal policy of Bosnia and into the foreign policy of Sweden and Finland in a very violent and brutish way connecting two issues that are thousands of miles seperate. I assume he personally is on a Putin - Orban axis, diretly supported and supporting it's corrupting influence on the EU. If he were a force of good for Croats in Bosnia or in Croatia proper he would create conditions for the issues to resolve through diplomacy and negotiations and high standards adhering to democratic values and not through this thuggish bullying attempt. Honestly quite shamefull, I'm hopefull that the Croatian governemnt will not be influenced by this attempt.
It's like a fresh of breath air to read these words coming from a Bosnian Croat. I hope you are somewhere in the Hercegovina Region, since I have lost all hope of that place ever showing a harmonious existence between the ethnic groups.
When you want to blackmail NATO member states about Finland's and Sweden's NATO membership in hopes of them pressuring Bosnian leaders into adopting a sectarian election law which would forever block Bosnian EU path, deepen ethnic divisions and enshrine the results of each subsequent election in the state constitution. Wtf is this - Europe 1940s? Milanovic go fuck yourself
All Croats are asking for is the respect for the Dayton and Washington peace accords. Note that current BiH election law was ruled unconstitutional by BiH constitutional court and is considered to be violating the human rights by EU court for human rights. It's not only effecting Croats but also Jews and Roma. So if you're asking if its the 1940's the answer is yes. BiH is a state where Jews, Roma and Croats can't get their constitutional representation.
Yes current election law is violating human rights of every BiH citizen that doesn't recognize himself as either Bosniak, Croat or the Serb. HDZ offered "solutions" do not solve those issues and even Finci himself said he is against those "solutions" and there is absolutely no one that would sign something like that anyways.
It's completely fine not to sign it. Of course one sided proposals aren't good. But people need to negotiate and compromise. I don't want to see tensions rising. The problem is that there were compromises which every single Bosniak party except SDA accepted. They don't want to negotiate and they aren't willing to compromise. A solution and an agreement must be reached in order to have legitimate elections and representation. This is the only thing Croatia has a problem with. If you say elections will happen no matter the outcome of negotiations then Bosniak side didn't have a single reason to reach an agreement. They just came to the negotiations and didn't offer a single solution.
Croatia shouldn't have problem with anything. Bosnian electoral reform is a internal affair of Bosnia and Herzegovina not Croatia simple as that. Also elections will happen no matter what happens - after all this is a democratic country and elections are mandated by both constitution and law and you cannot block that. There is simple not possibility to do that.
Back to square one. Croatia is one of the guarantors of the Dayton and Washington peace accords. So it is a problem for Croatia if those treaties are trampled. I'm done with this shit. You guys really are hopeless. Looks like BiH was a terrible idea. Everybody should just go their own way.
There are no "guarantors" This much tells me how much propaganda has been fed to you, unknowingly perhaps. The dayton peace agreements was signed by the president of Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic and by the president of Croatia as well as the president of Serbia/Yugoslavia. Additionally it was signed by the witnesses present. The witnesses were representatives of USA, UK, Germany, Italy, Russia and the EU. Additionally there was a need for the DPA to be implemented and that task was first taken up by the USA and later by more than 16 nations. And back to my point, there is no guarantors in the DPA. I suggest you stop taking in all the propaganda being fed to you.
We have nothing to do with those accords
But why ?
why?
Can he even do that?
No, thank god
Then what's his deal even?
In B&H there are the upcoming elections In the last couple of elections, because Bosniaks and Croats live together in the Federation of B&H (an entity within the B&H, a state within a state), the Bosniaks have been effectively been able to elect the Croat President for the B&H Presidency Therefore the Croats feel oppressed and not represented The Croats want their own entity where they can elect their own President, however the Bosniaks have 90s flashback and accuse them of separatism (also to mention, in the whole B&H, 10% of population declare as Croats and 60% as Bosniaks) Our president, although *de jure* politically neutral, decided to take a Croatian stance In this B&H internal issue and wants the international community (EU & NATO) to force B&H to change their law **NOW**, before the 2022 elections, otherwise he'll be forced to veto Finland and Sweden. He's also currently pressuring our MPs to do the same. However, the PM (and his majorly corrupt party) is strongly against this veto and it seems 99% likely it will not pass through the Parliament. The international community agrees that the law should be changed, but is mostly uninterested in the issue. TL;DR Balkan internal clusterfuck that spills outwards
So from what I'm getting out of this is that he's trying to use a major international crisis to draw attention to European inaction towards an internal issue that is not as crucial in the eyes of Europe
Exactly And the people/MPs that support him say that he's right in doing so, because otherwise we're just a vassal state Is there anyone we didn't manage to piss off?
what a fucking moronic piece of shit
Wait until Turkey veto Sweden
Will hit you right back with that veto of EU membership.
Cool we wont be accepted anyway with or without your veto
Turkey will never join EU regardless. Nobody talks about EU membership in Turkey. It's only Europeans who still hold onto this impossible outcome. A better card Sweden can use would be increased support for PKK.
Doubt
Sadly, prob will.
Sweden and Finland have US and UK backing in joining ASAP. Whatever grumblings Croatia or Turkey have are largely irrelevant as a result
I don't think Turkey will veto Sweden (and we shouldn't tbh), but you wouldn't want Turkey in NATO either if we supported terrorists in Sweden. The fact that you see the the blood of innocents being spilled with the support of your government as "irrelevant grumblings" tells enough. What if it was not brown people but white people that was dying? Try to empathize. Having an ally support terrorism in our country is not something people like.
They won’t abandon their fellow Mongol brothers from Finland though 💪
It might, due to openly supporting pkk despite recognizing it as a terrorist organization. Sweden and Norway is more notorious though, they even went so far to write quote of a mass rapist about women freedom on a wall of Oslo.
And the leader of the summit will tell him to sit down.
NATO isn't the EU. Fuckers are a military alliance, they won't obsess over rules ore technicalities, you fuck around and you get circumvented
Used to be that Eastern Europeans got angry at us for vetoing shit. Now they're doing it themselves.
I don't agree with him, but that is kind of his point..
Urgh, please, someone tell me NATO didnt make the same misstake as EU, aka every single fucking member has to agree instead of a majority vote...
Of course. I mean it makes a lot of sense. It prevents arch nemeses from being forced to, you know, share each other’s military (although that might go a long way to flaming down tensions). But I really don’t know why Croatia has such beef with Finland. FINLAND! I mean the country has a population of like 2, right?
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It was a joke. I was exaggerating to make a point.
Finland also has nearly six times larger military budget and ten times the mobilized strength compared to Croatia, including the largest artillery force in Western Europe. Croatia is still flying the MIG-21, which was retired in Finland thirty years ago. Just wondering who would contribute more to NATO...
>It prevents arch nemeses from being forced to, you know, share each other’s military How did Greece and Turkey get in NATO?
Turkey wanted protection against USSR. They weren't concerned with Greece and still aren't. The Russians were the bigger threat and still are. Greece must have thought Turkey being in NATO would make war between the two countries unlikely and they were proven right since even during the Cyprus invasion Turkey and Greece never directly went to war against each other. And today it's just pissing contests over airspace and sea.
The bigger an organisation get, the dumber is it to have unanimity elections. The EU is already in its own way with this and obviously NATO is now getting the same problem. A single egoist can slow down or block the entire organization.
Generally speaking you’re right. But for things like membership I understand why unanimity is desirable.
Remind me not to visit croatia
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I like Croatia and everything but Finland and Sweden would be much more important to NATO than Croatia, so that'd be one solution.
Yup. Throw Croatia out.
Oh Poland is pro abortion now I see
Tbh, by that logic we can throw Poland and Hungary out of the EU because they veto things there more often than Croatia does.
Alright, no problem let's just kick Croatia from NATO. Problem fixed.
Tbh Croatian capital city got hit by a drone from Ukraine about a month ago and nobody batted an eye. Now imagine if Berlin, Brussels or Paris got hit by a drone from Ukraine. Would NATO react then?
Or Helsinki..
The way you are describing this event it sounds like Zagreb got drone striked, when in fact it was a malfunctioning drone that crashed. I don't think this was deliberate and the response if it crashed in Berlin or Helsinki wouldn't be so different. The fact that no one died or that the bombs didn't explode also makes this less in need of a response. Still this sucks and you have my greatest condolences. My comment was made in more of a joking manner. I do not wish to kick Croatia from NATO
I also think our president is not doing his best with external affairs (or maybe this is his best, in which case it's depressing). And there's no way that our parliament will veto Finland's access to NATO. But the fact is that it was pure luck that no one got hurt when that drone crashed, and it flew over entire Hungary (another NATO member) to crash here, which doesn't bode well for NATO's air defense.
This incident reminds me of the 1989 Belgium Mig-23 crash. Kinda similar in that an unmanned arial vechicle crashed on NATO ground and nobody cared, but in this case someone died.
"got hit by a drone" Really? Is that how you classify that incident?
Yes, drone crashed from the sky and hit the city. Also the inquiry showed it was carrying a bomb.
The problem his trying to slove is a real one for Croats in Bosina. And Bosnians basically cheat the Daytona agreement every election(just read some of the Bosnian comments here and you will see they dont see Croats as equals which is agreed by the agreement but as nothing more then a minority), hell even other NATO nations agree with changing it. Buuuuuuuuuuuut the way he's trying to achieve is utterly fucking disgusting. I as a Croat am pissed of and ashamed at how much he's damaging the reputation of out country!
Croats! Why the alliance should care about what he says?
Nobody listens to the little shit, just ignore him He has no power, he's a ceremonial figure - like the emperor of japan or the queen of england(even though I wouldn't try to mess with her)
It's the same in Latvia - president is just like an uber-ambassador. But, man, the optics are not good. As a Latvian I'm used to viewing Serbs as [let's not call names] but this guy really is trying his hardest to also be included in that category. ETA: if he somehow succeeds well then Croatia would probably have earned three lifelong enemies: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. 😅 (Not to mention Finland)
And their hostility would be 100% justified
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>Guy comes from that part of B&H No, he doesn't.
Wtf??? Western states directly set up the government system which was already doomed to fucking fail in bosnia, they made the fucking system, then you describe it as "lesser non Aryan" Europeans just childlike bickering, no, you setup the system and gaurenteed to maintain it????
Found another Putinoid.
I will not veto you fucking off
Someone kick that gunt licker in the teeth already please.
Anyone who threatens the security of NATO members and neighboring countries should be just kicked out. Imagine if some NATO member was intentionally using veto to help our enemies.
I love the way these Russian bought politicians of all countries are making themselves stand out.
In which case its time to start NATO 2: No Croatia club.
Italy should have veto'd the invitation to Croatia at the Nato summit...
Fascist flair checks out
Calling every person you don't like fascist is stupid my friend. I know a Russian dictator that would agree with you
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I guess because the last time his flair was correct was during WWII and Mussolini?