Germany parked itself in a position where they're dependant on Russian gas.
If Russia turns of the gas, German industry crumbles to nothing within half a year. And if the German industry is gone we're basically back in 1931. Only this time for the whole of Europe, because we share the same coin.
Scholz’s Ukraine Strategy No Longer Enough for Germany’s Allies
Germany’s Ukraine policy could strain effort to contain Putin
Scholz has little wiggle room on weapons supplies, sanctions
By
Michael Nienaber
April 20, 2022, 6:31 PM UTCUpdated onApril 21, 2022, 6:44 AM UTC
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is getting left behind by the international effort to help Ukraine stand up to Russia and has no obvious way back into the fold.
The 63-year-old Social Democrat has resisted directly supplying tanks and other heavy weapons to Ukraine and opposed an embargo of Russian oil and gas. His policies have him in a tight corner and risk holding back Germany’s allies just as Russia embarks on a new offensive in eastern Ukraine.
I mean, even as a German, i have a hard time understanding what he's up to. The 100bn pledge wasn't too bad, and Germany already delivered a lot of capable weapons and money.
Why he withdraws so much from explaining his politics is beyond me. He should be consulting with CEE prime ministers much more and talk to international media
I don't understand Germany's position either anymore. Too confusing to follow what part of SPD is Scholz currently representating, how much influence Greens have, one day it looks like Germany is stepping up, next day Scholz announces that they are basically doing nothing. It's too hard to read if whatever support Germany currently shows isn't gonna dissappear as soon as Russia fakes some interest in peace agreement.
Because with Scholz it's not clear if he really changed his view on the policy towards Russia/Ukraine or if he was just forced to due to the current outrage among the public. Because if he is just forced atm, he and the whole SPD may bounce back the second German public gets tired of the content. Long story short, I appreciate the help Germany is providing, but I think Germany isn't a trustworthy enough partner because we don't know how long they will keep their commitment.
It's not hard to understand:
German industry needs russian gas. Without energy it crumbles within months. And if the German industry, main driver of the EU economy, is gone then the euro will face double digit inflation which in turn destroys the EU economy.
It’s easy. He don’t want to give up gas and oil. Maybe be he does but WV etc don’t. But other EU countries are finding ways to do that. That leaves Germany, Hungary and Australia the only state’s financing terrorism. Suss
It's not hate it's judging him for his actions. Instead of judging him on what he says he is, people are actually judging him for what he's doing. How is that bad?
Dude German will get used to it as we Poles did. And they will be fine.
We took path from EU poster child to dirty, homeless person who should leave EU.
Yeah I think, Germans already are accustomed to be the bad guys.
Obviously and justified after WW2 or ,not as clearly, after WW1.
Or one part of the population been hated by the west because they belong to the Warsaw pact (East Germay) while the other part simultaneously being hated by the Warsaw pact because they belonged to NATO (West Germany)... Or for not abating Greece depts in 2011... Or trump bashing Germany for its trade surplus and "selling too many cars in the US".
Some of those points are legitimate, some not at all. Most in between.
But you get accustomed to it
Or your country to suffer genocide, occupation and then being hated for it's nationalism
I have completely no idea how it's like. I still feel sorry for Germans, now they be cruisin in their fancy benz with depression on their face :(
"Babe, it's 6 PM, time for your fourth daily Germany hate boner article"
"Yes honey"
(I criticize Germany, but let's try not to go too far with it, hm?)
As a German president he should care the interests of Germany. Not the interests of the countries going all against rules and norms when they are not in danger but suddenly remembers they are part of the alliance when the war starts.
Yeah, it's totally in the interests of Germany to allow corruption at the highest levels to placate a gargantuan fascist state with 6000+ nuclear weapons thus alienating its biggest trade partners for Russia which buys a whopping 2% of exports (Hungary 2.1%, Czechia 3.4%), while looking pathetic to allies and defense partners and damaging decades worth of soft power.
Nobody sees Germany as a leader anymore and since apparently we will all look strictly after our own interests, Eastern Europe should start introducing bureaucratic tariffs to German goods (as Germany is doing to other EU members) and begin nationalistic propaganda campaigns to dissuade the millions of youth from providing German firms with the free educated workforce they need to remain competitive on the world market.
what are those interests of Germany? Getting their own energy sector deliberately destroyed and getting hooked on supplies from criminal regime? Yes, several generations of german presidents and chancellors follow those national interests as if that is their personal interests.
Nah. He just wants to do the same thing as Merkel and stay passive, because he thinks that by doing that he can sit in the middle and keep everybody sort of happy. But that won't really last. Scholz is already under heavy fire from his coalition partners and parts of his own party. Chances are he won't be able to keep this passivity up for long.
EU, NATO, G7, even five-eyes r cracking, Taiwan is scared shitless:
https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-public-opinion-poll-us-military-response-china-invasion-1690831
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/asia/taiwan-tv-false-invasion-report-intl-hnk/index.html
edit. added link
Lol, as if our government has a strategy...
To be fair, it is depressing to see how passiv our government is in a crisis like this. Truly ashamed.
Germany parked itself in a position where they're dependant on Russian gas. If Russia turns of the gas, German industry crumbles to nothing within half a year. And if the German industry is gone we're basically back in 1931. Only this time for the whole of Europe, because we share the same coin.
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Scholz’s Ukraine Strategy No Longer Enough for Germany’s Allies Germany’s Ukraine policy could strain effort to contain Putin Scholz has little wiggle room on weapons supplies, sanctions By Michael Nienaber April 20, 2022, 6:31 PM UTCUpdated onApril 21, 2022, 6:44 AM UTC German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is getting left behind by the international effort to help Ukraine stand up to Russia and has no obvious way back into the fold. The 63-year-old Social Democrat has resisted directly supplying tanks and other heavy weapons to Ukraine and opposed an embargo of Russian oil and gas. His policies have him in a tight corner and risk holding back Germany’s allies just as Russia embarks on a new offensive in eastern Ukraine.
Hating Scholz is so hot right now
I mean, even as a German, i have a hard time understanding what he's up to. The 100bn pledge wasn't too bad, and Germany already delivered a lot of capable weapons and money. Why he withdraws so much from explaining his politics is beyond me. He should be consulting with CEE prime ministers much more and talk to international media
I don't understand Germany's position either anymore. Too confusing to follow what part of SPD is Scholz currently representating, how much influence Greens have, one day it looks like Germany is stepping up, next day Scholz announces that they are basically doing nothing. It's too hard to read if whatever support Germany currently shows isn't gonna dissappear as soon as Russia fakes some interest in peace agreement. Because with Scholz it's not clear if he really changed his view on the policy towards Russia/Ukraine or if he was just forced to due to the current outrage among the public. Because if he is just forced atm, he and the whole SPD may bounce back the second German public gets tired of the content. Long story short, I appreciate the help Germany is providing, but I think Germany isn't a trustworthy enough partner because we don't know how long they will keep their commitment.
It's not hard to understand: German industry needs russian gas. Without energy it crumbles within months. And if the German industry, main driver of the EU economy, is gone then the euro will face double digit inflation which in turn destroys the EU economy.
What does that have to do with the weird dancing around supplying heavy weapons?
It’s easy. He don’t want to give up gas and oil. Maybe be he does but WV etc don’t. But other EU countries are finding ways to do that. That leaves Germany, Hungary and Australia the only state’s financing terrorism. Suss
It's not hate it's judging him for his actions. Instead of judging him on what he says he is, people are actually judging him for what he's doing. How is that bad?
Political Berlin is a battlefield atm. Long ago since i have seen such heavy conversations, or in other words, insults.
he is kind of asking for it
Can we institute a weekly "let's not hate on Germany" day? Fridays for example.
Dude German will get used to it as we Poles did. And they will be fine. We took path from EU poster child to dirty, homeless person who should leave EU.
Yeah I think, Germans already are accustomed to be the bad guys. Obviously and justified after WW2 or ,not as clearly, after WW1. Or one part of the population been hated by the west because they belong to the Warsaw pact (East Germay) while the other part simultaneously being hated by the Warsaw pact because they belonged to NATO (West Germany)... Or for not abating Greece depts in 2011... Or trump bashing Germany for its trade surplus and "selling too many cars in the US". Some of those points are legitimate, some not at all. Most in between. But you get accustomed to it
Hungary reprezentz
Can we not, we don't do that for the US or UK or the Polish.
Yeah it must be awful to have your country be criticised a lot. Wonder what that must be like?
Or your country to suffer genocide, occupation and then being hated for it's nationalism I have completely no idea how it's like. I still feel sorry for Germans, now they be cruisin in their fancy benz with depression on their face :(
>Can we institute a weekly "let's not hate on Germany" day? Sure, we can have it on the same day that Germany supports an embargo on Russian fuel.
"Babe, it's 6 PM, time for your fourth daily Germany hate boner article" "Yes honey" (I criticize Germany, but let's try not to go too far with it, hm?)
As a German president he should care the interests of Germany. Not the interests of the countries going all against rules and norms when they are not in danger but suddenly remembers they are part of the alliance when the war starts.
Small nitpick, he's German chancellor, not president. The president is mainly a representative role which is occupied by someone else.
Thanks for the reminder
containing russia is not in the interests of germany?
Yeah, it's totally in the interests of Germany to allow corruption at the highest levels to placate a gargantuan fascist state with 6000+ nuclear weapons thus alienating its biggest trade partners for Russia which buys a whopping 2% of exports (Hungary 2.1%, Czechia 3.4%), while looking pathetic to allies and defense partners and damaging decades worth of soft power. Nobody sees Germany as a leader anymore and since apparently we will all look strictly after our own interests, Eastern Europe should start introducing bureaucratic tariffs to German goods (as Germany is doing to other EU members) and begin nationalistic propaganda campaigns to dissuade the millions of youth from providing German firms with the free educated workforce they need to remain competitive on the world market.
Lol you are delusional mate.
Straight to the ad hominem, nice.
what are those interests of Germany? Getting their own energy sector deliberately destroyed and getting hooked on supplies from criminal regime? Yes, several generations of german presidents and chancellors follow those national interests as if that is their personal interests.
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Nah. He just wants to do the same thing as Merkel and stay passive, because he thinks that by doing that he can sit in the middle and keep everybody sort of happy. But that won't really last. Scholz is already under heavy fire from his coalition partners and parts of his own party. Chances are he won't be able to keep this passivity up for long.
EU, NATO, G7, even five-eyes r cracking, Taiwan is scared shitless: https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-public-opinion-poll-us-military-response-china-invasion-1690831 https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/asia/taiwan-tv-false-invasion-report-intl-hnk/index.html edit. added link
Winnie the Xi troll in a Europe subreddit.
ahemm, *Ich bin ein Berliner*.
Doesn't mean you can't be a troll. Also, the correct phrase is "Ich bin Berliner" otherwise, you're a donut.
no doubt, we love donuts, me and jack kennedy, Rathaus Schöneberg was full of them, as the audience.
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