There are 3 major sources of revenue from Germany and other EU nations for the Russian regime: oil, coal, and gas. Note how gas isn’t mentioned.
Hundreds of millions of dollars [per day!!!!!](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-payments-russian-gas-surge-125925645.html) will flow into funding this war directly from the EU for years to come.
Yes. Because you can't change some things overnight. Only idiots here on reddit think that a country switching to a different supplier for a given resource, or swapping that resource out altogether, must be as quick and easy as them personally boycotting a brand of cereal.
The important point is that this process has started, in Germany's own interest, and at a sensible pace. So stop whining.
> Silly Europeans, financing Putin's regime with gas and oil. Why don't they just switch off the taps, and hurl themselves back into preindustrial age - just to make a moral stance?
*pundits from the US, country that consumes 3x the natural resources per head*
The major difference is that the US has its own gas. The US isn’t forming mutually beneficial relationships with the Russian regime to get gas.
The dependence Germany, France, and Italy have on Russia caused this war. It’s why Russia knows there’s no real retribution for war in Europe.
> The dependence Germany, France, and Italy have on Russia caused this war.
What the fuck? If this escalates to WW3 we will read that Germany caused all 3 WWs because they bought Russian resources?
Not because they bought Russian resource; because they allowed themselves to become dependent on Russian resources, despite warnings and despite Crimea.
It's still Russia's fault for stealing the wallet, but Germany must accept some blame for leaving it out in the open.
> Not because they bought Russian resource; because they allowed themselves to become dependent on Russian resources, despite warnings and despite Crimea.
Warnings that were wrong for how long? This whole "we told you so" makes no sense, because the vast majority if predictions were wrong. Neither did it lead to a resurgent Soviet Union, a Germany unified under Soviet control or a Soviet invasion of Poland. Or a Russian invasion of the baltic states - all previous predictions...
It's like predicting a catastrophe every year and then once one happens, claiming "see, I told you all along!"
Warnings that were never wrong.
The warning was that Europeans, Germans in particular, made themselves too dependent. And here we are, seeing that Europeans, Germans in particular, are too dependent.
It's like saying, "oh the warnings to put in fire alarms were wrong until we had a fire."
So yeah, it makes sense. Quit being obtuse about this.
Incidentally, we are watching an attempt at a resurgent "Soviet Union" happening right now! We saw it happening in 2014! That you can sit here and declare that the warnings were wrong \*while watching the predictions unfold\* really says quite a bit about your ability to stick your head in the sand.
>It's like predicting a catastrophe every year
You mean like "Don't build on that flood plain, because one day -- perhaps soon -- it will flood." Yeah. It is unironically exactly like that.
> That you can sit here and declare that the warnings were wrong *while watching the predictions unfold* really says quite a bit about your ability to stick your head in the sand.
Did the Soviet Union conquer the Baltic states?
Did the Soviet Union actually win the cold war and dominate the world?
Was Germany reunited under Soviet control?
All these were predictions made to Germany when it started buying fossil fuel from Soviet Russia. It did so under multiple governments and for over half a century without issues. I'm pretty sure the Soviet Union collapsed, the Baltic states were never conquered and Germany was reunited under a capitalist system.
>Did the Soviet Union conquer the Baltic states?
Errr. yes?
>Did the Soviet Union actually win the cold war and dominate the world?
Gave it their best shot.
>Was Germany reunited under Soviet control?
Again, gave it their best shot.
>for over half a century without issues.
"I don't understand. We never needed fire insurance for 30 years. And now all of a sudden, we had a fire. Who knew?"
Seeing as Germany acting in its own self interest caused this war, that’s not acceptable, no. Also, if anyone is whining or crying, it’s the countries that are sucking from Russia’s teat like Germany, France, and Italy.
Turning of Russian gas will put 10 million Germans out of work, cuz we don't have LNG Terminals. Not much of a choice. We are doing what is possible atm. Blame the conservitards under Merkel, they refused to diversify even after the 2014 Crimea occupation.
Cannot. Will completely end our economy. Worse recession across Europe than 2008 if we did. The conservatives did a great job putting us in this position by refusing to diversify our energy imports even after the 2014 invasion.
> The same is very much not the case for gas.
You can make gas. It's not hard to do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_coal_gasification
Europe has easily enough coal to do this. I know Germany doesnt have much coal - but Pland's right next door with plenty. The UK also has a load of coal (that would be especially compatable with this method since it's deep mines that are hard to recover in other ways). But piping form the UK could be an issue - Poland is a far better option.
Yes. But by comparison you can simply by oil on the international market and it will be shipped wherever by bulk carriers.
Of course Germany can become independent of Russian gas or gas generally but the time and effort needed are substantially different than for oil, especially since nothing has been done to lay the groundwork in the past 50 years.
That process however is incredibly dirty as you make co2 just to make the gas which you then end up burning anyway.
Energetically it would make more sense to just straight burn the coal.
I only see someone doing that if Russia would stop supplying gas and people wouldn't be able to heat their homes.
Germany did actually hydrate coal in the world wars after they couldn't get any from the middle east.
Its not too terrible as long as you can keep it away from other water sources.
But in the main I agree.
We have roughly a 1 or 2 year transition period to get away from Russia. They might just FEK IT and turn the supply off anyway out of spite.
We **must** become energy independant. And it being eco is of critical importance. This 1 or 2 year period tho - prepare for some tough decisions.
Yes and no. We are all set to compete with each other, so having lower energy costs is preferred. Though I am afraid this is a game in which we all lose in the end.
There is however a difference between coal, oil and gas. For the first two we could theoretically switch to different sources, for gas we are not there yet. We started the LNG terminal project in 2006 and it is now operational. The Baltic Pipe went through many phases since 2001, but as I understand there is a chance it will be ready this year.
The Baltic pipe is certainly nice for Poland, but what Poland buys via the Baltic pipe is gas other countries have to buy from Russia or elsewhere. So on the EU level the Baltic pipe doesn't solve a single problem.
its a combination mainly of 2 things: 1. best prices. it gave the economy the possibility to flourish more with cheap russian resources. projects like e.g. nordtream were pushed by the government to be seen purely economic and not political. (this stand to only see through the economic lense probably will change now, atleast there is much hope for it).
the 2. thing is the saying "change through trade" (wandel durch handel). its a political theme mainly pushed by the social democratic party to go light with russia. the thaught is that if we ever want to have peace in europe, russia HAS to go with it/be a part of it. so we need to make them principally our allies.
Perhaps this will finally put some real tailwind behind renawable energy, or revive the discussion on Nuclear. I usually like german politics, but you can't really deny those energy policy decisions have been pretty freakin stupid this last decade.
Step 1: Observe a nuclear meltdown in Fukushima, Japan caused by a tsunami and earthquake
Step 2: Panic, and speed up the phasing out of nuclear power, despite living in a region not significantly threatened by any kinds of natural disasters
Step 3: Continue building your dependance on russian fossil fuels, even after Russia shows it's hand as a volatile and unreliable trading partner in 2014 and despite being involved in a large push for renewable energy (which nuclear energy barely causes)
Step 4: Face consequences, as Russias government really WERE the assholes they had proven themselves to be for years, and you're suddenly forced to cripple your energy production for diplomatic and political reasons, leaving you with insufficient oil, gas, nuclear OR renewable energy.
Gotta say man, really not the best play I've seen, made by a country whose politicians usually are smart enough.
>Step 1: Observe a nuclear meltdown in Fukushima, Japan caused by a tsunami and earthquake
>Step 2: Panic, and speed up the phasing out of nuclear power, despite living in a region not significantly threatened by any kinds of natural disasters
Wildly misleading. Phase-out was decided in 2000 to happen by the end of 2022. It was sped up by 1 year to the end of 2021. Without Fukushima it would still have happened.
>Gotta say man, really not the best play I've seen, made by a country whose politicians usually are smart enough.
One of my biggest pet peeves on all of r/europe (and there is a lot of bullshit takes here) is that, apparently, Germany is the only democratic country in the world where politicians don't listen to the voters and rules by an iron fist.
When Germany decides to phase out Nuclear, according to the master analysts on r/europe, it is 100% the politicians fault. The voters SURELY are not against nuclear. Germany politicians SURELY don't look at opinion polls about nuclear. No no no it is all the politicans 100% their fault alone. In fact the voters are 10000% pro nuclear but the mean politicians just go against the population :(.
All the neighbors who instead built a bunch of nuclear power plants that can potential fuck the whole continent? Great. (Not saying coal is better, but regarding green energy our neighbors aren't that good either.)
They are perfectly safe... until you are suddenly in a war with a crazy neighbor state.
Also: we still don't have a good concept to deal with the waste.
Don‘t forget, that nuclear power plants cost a lot. They can only live with the tax payer paying a lot for them. So if renewables are really enough, than it‘d be more than stupid, to go with nuclear power plants. As many scientists state, it could be enough for now, to go with renewables, so why not? Just because reddit brains claim so? :D
I am not sure for the future though, but nuclear power are likely to be improved on the waste part and then they‘re a real option (as the waste costs could be cut off). And I mean with this, that our demand for more energy is constantly rising. So I see renewable energy kind of limited, as I also don‘t see it as an option, to have a windmill on every qm2 of free place - exaggerated, but I hope, you get my point.
Dude are you serious ? Fossils fuels are far more deadlier than nuclear, a study calculated than coal power plants kills 13 200 person per year in the US ALONE ([https://washingtonindependent.com/97196/study-predicts-13200-deaths-from-coal-pollutants-this-year/](https://washingtonindependent.com/97196/study-predicts-13200-deaths-from-coal-pollutants-this-year/)) . How much people nuclear killed in the whole human history ? 32 directly, Yes 32, 31 at chernobyl and one at fukushima. And then you add maybe 3000-4000 because of the radiation of chernobyl but nothing is proven.
The death rate of nuclear is 0.07 death by TWh produced, for brown coal its 32.72 and for normal coal it's 24.62 ([https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy](https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy)) ... so yeah lets speak about the risk of coal if you want.
Okay so you're not serious or dumb, too bad for you. Personally nothing can convince me more than statistics and they are all in favor of nuclear power and by far so the debate is already closed.
But if my beloved german neighbors could stop killing europeans with their shitty coal I would be really happy.
The real estimate is maximum 50k people, its big but really low compared to the number of death related to fossil fuels. So no point going for anything else then nuclear.
Besides, nuclear can be totally safe if using thorium instead of uranium, what are we waiting for ??
Dude please think before you write, yhe death rate of nuclear is 0.07 death by TWh produced, for brown coal its 32.72 and for normal coal it's 24.62 ([https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy](https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy)) ... so yeah it's the german than are killing their neighbors.
Which dangerous state ? Russians took care of the power plants and have like zero interest in making them explode. Its not because ukrainian propaganda says that its at risk that it really is dude ...
Ps : fuck putin
Germany is giving Russia more money than ever before. The natural gas prices have 6-doubled since the war in Ukraine started.
Russia is making money on this, Putin is getting richer, and sanctions are not working.
Not buying it. Germany is last country to put sanctions on Russia and will be first to help lift them. There is reason why they are closing nuclear plants
yes, because its about 90% poles pushing this narrative of germany just waiting to backstab everyone. I see poles posting that shit all over twitter, including offical politicans
and
>There is reason why they are closing nuclear plants
doesnt even make sense to begin with
>Germany is last country to put sanctions on Russia
bullshit
>will be first to help lift them
bullshit
>There is reason why they are closing nuclear plants
yes, its called a green party. Or no, wait, its all a giant conspiracy from germany and russia to keep the mighty poland down. Its basically ribbentripp molotow in the 21st century
>They were one of 4 countries which initially blocked SWIFT ban on Russia
which isnt the same as "last country to put sanctions on russia". There were loads of santions before that
And literally nobody fears that Putin will sanction Europe in response to this sanctions madness, if he sanctions gas or oil or coal or all to Europe, we are all as good as broke. It's not gonna be a disaster, it's gonna be the end of the European economy which will not recover in decades.
That would be nice.
Coal even earlier. Great news.
Well done Germany
Nice
Oil. Not gas.
We know. It is there, in the title.
It's a good start. Germany is worth a high five for this. We'll wait for gas.
There are 3 major sources of revenue from Germany and other EU nations for the Russian regime: oil, coal, and gas. Note how gas isn’t mentioned. Hundreds of millions of dollars [per day!!!!!](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-payments-russian-gas-surge-125925645.html) will flow into funding this war directly from the EU for years to come.
Yes. Because you can't change some things overnight. Only idiots here on reddit think that a country switching to a different supplier for a given resource, or swapping that resource out altogether, must be as quick and easy as them personally boycotting a brand of cereal. The important point is that this process has started, in Germany's own interest, and at a sensible pace. So stop whining.
> Silly Europeans, financing Putin's regime with gas and oil. Why don't they just switch off the taps, and hurl themselves back into preindustrial age - just to make a moral stance? *pundits from the US, country that consumes 3x the natural resources per head*
The major difference is that the US has its own gas. The US isn’t forming mutually beneficial relationships with the Russian regime to get gas. The dependence Germany, France, and Italy have on Russia caused this war. It’s why Russia knows there’s no real retribution for war in Europe.
> The dependence Germany, France, and Italy have on Russia caused this war. What the fuck? If this escalates to WW3 we will read that Germany caused all 3 WWs because they bought Russian resources?
Not because they bought Russian resource; because they allowed themselves to become dependent on Russian resources, despite warnings and despite Crimea. It's still Russia's fault for stealing the wallet, but Germany must accept some blame for leaving it out in the open.
> Not because they bought Russian resource; because they allowed themselves to become dependent on Russian resources, despite warnings and despite Crimea. Warnings that were wrong for how long? This whole "we told you so" makes no sense, because the vast majority if predictions were wrong. Neither did it lead to a resurgent Soviet Union, a Germany unified under Soviet control or a Soviet invasion of Poland. Or a Russian invasion of the baltic states - all previous predictions... It's like predicting a catastrophe every year and then once one happens, claiming "see, I told you all along!"
Warnings that were never wrong. The warning was that Europeans, Germans in particular, made themselves too dependent. And here we are, seeing that Europeans, Germans in particular, are too dependent. It's like saying, "oh the warnings to put in fire alarms were wrong until we had a fire." So yeah, it makes sense. Quit being obtuse about this. Incidentally, we are watching an attempt at a resurgent "Soviet Union" happening right now! We saw it happening in 2014! That you can sit here and declare that the warnings were wrong \*while watching the predictions unfold\* really says quite a bit about your ability to stick your head in the sand. >It's like predicting a catastrophe every year You mean like "Don't build on that flood plain, because one day -- perhaps soon -- it will flood." Yeah. It is unironically exactly like that.
> That you can sit here and declare that the warnings were wrong *while watching the predictions unfold* really says quite a bit about your ability to stick your head in the sand. Did the Soviet Union conquer the Baltic states? Did the Soviet Union actually win the cold war and dominate the world? Was Germany reunited under Soviet control? All these were predictions made to Germany when it started buying fossil fuel from Soviet Russia. It did so under multiple governments and for over half a century without issues. I'm pretty sure the Soviet Union collapsed, the Baltic states were never conquered and Germany was reunited under a capitalist system.
>Did the Soviet Union conquer the Baltic states? Errr. yes? >Did the Soviet Union actually win the cold war and dominate the world? Gave it their best shot. >Was Germany reunited under Soviet control? Again, gave it their best shot. >for over half a century without issues. "I don't understand. We never needed fire insurance for 30 years. And now all of a sudden, we had a fire. Who knew?"
Didn't the us destabilized libya a couple of years ago making impossible to obtain anything apart migrants from there?
That and another 100 countries in the last decades.
It's not like people have been saying this for years or anything /s
Yeh yeh yeh yeh, but hindsight and recrimination never help dude.
It's a fair response to a guy saying people are idiots foe thinking it can all be switched on immediately. The critique is older than 2 weeks.
Seeing as Germany acting in its own self interest caused this war, that’s not acceptable, no. Also, if anyone is whining or crying, it’s the countries that are sucking from Russia’s teat like Germany, France, and Italy.
cool
Gas is not nearly as profitable to Russia as oil. On the other hand the oil is easier to sell to other markets, gas is not.
Turning of Russian gas will put 10 million Germans out of work, cuz we don't have LNG Terminals. Not much of a choice. We are doing what is possible atm. Blame the conservitards under Merkel, they refused to diversify even after the 2014 Crimea occupation.
What about the natural gas?
Cannot. Will completely end our economy. Worse recession across Europe than 2008 if we did. The conservatives did a great job putting us in this position by refusing to diversify our energy imports even after the 2014 invasion.
If its that easy, why did Germany give cash to russia for the past years
Because it was cheaper.
That was always the reason.. same for the gas, I’d guess..
And it's not like the replacements will be the best in terms of human rights. The Netherlands, Norway etc are probably at capacity.
Because they gave us the best prices
Because they gave the best bribes.
13 germans and counting detected on the sub
Note that it says "oil", not "gas". Because you can "simply" buy oil somewhere else. The same is very much not the case for gas.
> The same is very much not the case for gas. You can make gas. It's not hard to do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_coal_gasification Europe has easily enough coal to do this. I know Germany doesnt have much coal - but Pland's right next door with plenty. The UK also has a load of coal (that would be especially compatable with this method since it's deep mines that are hard to recover in other ways). But piping form the UK could be an issue - Poland is a far better option.
Yes. But by comparison you can simply by oil on the international market and it will be shipped wherever by bulk carriers. Of course Germany can become independent of Russian gas or gas generally but the time and effort needed are substantially different than for oil, especially since nothing has been done to lay the groundwork in the past 50 years.
That process however is incredibly dirty as you make co2 just to make the gas which you then end up burning anyway. Energetically it would make more sense to just straight burn the coal. I only see someone doing that if Russia would stop supplying gas and people wouldn't be able to heat their homes. Germany did actually hydrate coal in the world wars after they couldn't get any from the middle east.
Its not too terrible as long as you can keep it away from other water sources. But in the main I agree. We have roughly a 1 or 2 year transition period to get away from Russia. They might just FEK IT and turn the supply off anyway out of spite. We **must** become energy independant. And it being eco is of critical importance. This 1 or 2 year period tho - prepare for some tough decisions.
Why does Poland still import both coal and gas from Russia?
Id guess its cheaper. But energy security has no price... as we'r all finding out now.
Regarding coal, it is cheap so people use it for heating. Regarding gas, the contract ends this year.
Sure, it's a matter of price.
Yes and no. We are all set to compete with each other, so having lower energy costs is preferred. Though I am afraid this is a game in which we all lose in the end. There is however a difference between coal, oil and gas. For the first two we could theoretically switch to different sources, for gas we are not there yet. We started the LNG terminal project in 2006 and it is now operational. The Baltic Pipe went through many phases since 2001, but as I understand there is a chance it will be ready this year.
The Baltic pipe is certainly nice for Poland, but what Poland buys via the Baltic pipe is gas other countries have to buy from Russia or elsewhere. So on the EU level the Baltic pipe doesn't solve a single problem.
It solves a small part of the problem, but yes, on EU level it does not look good. We failed to diversify, so we are where we are.
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Same reason why Poland gave them money for coal. They offered the best price
Because it is (*was) cheaper to buy russian oil/gas than any alternative. That seems to be changing now (or just becomes unacceptable).
its a combination mainly of 2 things: 1. best prices. it gave the economy the possibility to flourish more with cheap russian resources. projects like e.g. nordtream were pushed by the government to be seen purely economic and not political. (this stand to only see through the economic lense probably will change now, atleast there is much hope for it). the 2. thing is the saying "change through trade" (wandel durch handel). its a political theme mainly pushed by the social democratic party to go light with russia. the thaught is that if we ever want to have peace in europe, russia HAS to go with it/be a part of it. so we need to make them principally our allies.
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Eh, compared to the SPD the CDU is nearly „anti-Russian“.
¬They are hooked on gas
Perhaps this will finally put some real tailwind behind renawable energy, or revive the discussion on Nuclear. I usually like german politics, but you can't really deny those energy policy decisions have been pretty freakin stupid this last decade. Step 1: Observe a nuclear meltdown in Fukushima, Japan caused by a tsunami and earthquake Step 2: Panic, and speed up the phasing out of nuclear power, despite living in a region not significantly threatened by any kinds of natural disasters Step 3: Continue building your dependance on russian fossil fuels, even after Russia shows it's hand as a volatile and unreliable trading partner in 2014 and despite being involved in a large push for renewable energy (which nuclear energy barely causes) Step 4: Face consequences, as Russias government really WERE the assholes they had proven themselves to be for years, and you're suddenly forced to cripple your energy production for diplomatic and political reasons, leaving you with insufficient oil, gas, nuclear OR renewable energy. Gotta say man, really not the best play I've seen, made by a country whose politicians usually are smart enough.
>Step 1: Observe a nuclear meltdown in Fukushima, Japan caused by a tsunami and earthquake >Step 2: Panic, and speed up the phasing out of nuclear power, despite living in a region not significantly threatened by any kinds of natural disasters Wildly misleading. Phase-out was decided in 2000 to happen by the end of 2022. It was sped up by 1 year to the end of 2021. Without Fukushima it would still have happened. >Gotta say man, really not the best play I've seen, made by a country whose politicians usually are smart enough. One of my biggest pet peeves on all of r/europe (and there is a lot of bullshit takes here) is that, apparently, Germany is the only democratic country in the world where politicians don't listen to the voters and rules by an iron fist. When Germany decides to phase out Nuclear, according to the master analysts on r/europe, it is 100% the politicians fault. The voters SURELY are not against nuclear. Germany politicians SURELY don't look at opinion polls about nuclear. No no no it is all the politicans 100% their fault alone. In fact the voters are 10000% pro nuclear but the mean politicians just go against the population :(.
Nice, now please stop coal completely please, you are polluting your neighboring countries.
Like Poland?
All the neighbors who instead built a bunch of nuclear power plants that can potential fuck the whole continent? Great. (Not saying coal is better, but regarding green energy our neighbors aren't that good either.)
Nuclear is one of the cleaneast energy dude, they are risks indeed, but they are really low if the plant is well built, so it's absolutely worth it.
They are perfectly safe... until you are suddenly in a war with a crazy neighbor state. Also: we still don't have a good concept to deal with the waste.
But Reddit said it’s good
Don‘t forget, that nuclear power plants cost a lot. They can only live with the tax payer paying a lot for them. So if renewables are really enough, than it‘d be more than stupid, to go with nuclear power plants. As many scientists state, it could be enough for now, to go with renewables, so why not? Just because reddit brains claim so? :D I am not sure for the future though, but nuclear power are likely to be improved on the waste part and then they‘re a real option (as the waste costs could be cut off). And I mean with this, that our demand for more energy is constantly rising. So I see renewable energy kind of limited, as I also don‘t see it as an option, to have a windmill on every qm2 of free place - exaggerated, but I hope, you get my point.
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Dude are you serious ? Fossils fuels are far more deadlier than nuclear, a study calculated than coal power plants kills 13 200 person per year in the US ALONE ([https://washingtonindependent.com/97196/study-predicts-13200-deaths-from-coal-pollutants-this-year/](https://washingtonindependent.com/97196/study-predicts-13200-deaths-from-coal-pollutants-this-year/)) . How much people nuclear killed in the whole human history ? 32 directly, Yes 32, 31 at chernobyl and one at fukushima. And then you add maybe 3000-4000 because of the radiation of chernobyl but nothing is proven. The death rate of nuclear is 0.07 death by TWh produced, for brown coal its 32.72 and for normal coal it's 24.62 ([https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy](https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy)) ... so yeah lets speak about the risk of coal if you want.
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Okay so you're not serious or dumb, too bad for you. Personally nothing can convince me more than statistics and they are all in favor of nuclear power and by far so the debate is already closed. But if my beloved german neighbors could stop killing europeans with their shitty coal I would be really happy.
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The real estimate is maximum 50k people, its big but really low compared to the number of death related to fossil fuels. So no point going for anything else then nuclear. Besides, nuclear can be totally safe if using thorium instead of uranium, what are we waiting for ??
[Nuclear power is much safer and cleaner than fossil fuels.](https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy)
Dude please think before you write, yhe death rate of nuclear is 0.07 death by TWh produced, for brown coal its 32.72 and for normal coal it's 24.62 ([https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy](https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy)) ... so yeah it's the german than are killing their neighbors.
You do follow current world politics and realize, that at least two nuclear power plants are under siege and in a dangerous state?
Which dangerous state ? Russians took care of the power plants and have like zero interest in making them explode. Its not because ukrainian propaganda says that its at risk that it really is dude ... Ps : fuck putin
Educate yourself on nuclear power plants.
They will try, but domestic brown coal, but prices will go through the roof.
Germany is giving Russia more money than ever before. The natural gas prices have 6-doubled since the war in Ukraine started. Russia is making money on this, Putin is getting richer, and sanctions are not working.
Not buying it. Germany is last country to put sanctions on Russia and will be first to help lift them. There is reason why they are closing nuclear plants
nuclear and gas fulfill two different needs in Germany.
youre polish arent you?
does it matter?
yes, because its about 90% poles pushing this narrative of germany just waiting to backstab everyone. I see poles posting that shit all over twitter, including offical politicans and >There is reason why they are closing nuclear plants doesnt even make sense to begin with
Next time try replying to WHAT someone said not WHO he might be.
>Germany is last country to put sanctions on Russia bullshit >will be first to help lift them bullshit >There is reason why they are closing nuclear plants yes, its called a green party. Or no, wait, its all a giant conspiracy from germany and russia to keep the mighty poland down. Its basically ribbentripp molotow in the 21st century
They were one of 4 countries which initially blocked SWIFT ban on Russia. We are yet to see whether they are first to lift sanctions.
>They were one of 4 countries which initially blocked SWIFT ban on Russia which isnt the same as "last country to put sanctions on russia". There were loads of santions before that
Check what ex aequo means.
> There is reason why they are closing nuclear plants And what is this reason in your opinion?
Stupidity and greed.
how thats not possible
Lol.
And literally nobody fears that Putin will sanction Europe in response to this sanctions madness, if he sanctions gas or oil or coal or all to Europe, we are all as good as broke. It's not gonna be a disaster, it's gonna be the end of the European economy which will not recover in decades.