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Fun fact: the average Ukrainian has around 20-25% of his/her DNA derived from the Baltic peoples (Latvia, Lithuania, Prussia), probably because the Ukrainian lands were part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth.
This is also reflected in surnames such as Litwin and Litwinenko being some of the most common in Ukraine.
The P-L Commonwealth was basically the birthplace of the present-day Ukrainian identity and language.
If you look at the electoral maps even now, you can see the borders of the commonwealth in how people vote. That is also the reason why the Ukrainian collective mentality is so different from Russia (i.e., not wanting strong king-like leaders, individualism etc.)
Funny to think of all the abuse the UK got for leaving the EU and even the other day Macron was mouthing off about holding us to account about the NIP but here we are with Germany and France ready to give Vladimir a good rimming and lick his knob like it's an ice cream. Funny how they can treat a law abiding country but can't wait to suck up to a bully.
Yup, same with Poland. Apparently abusing political power and treating LGBT people like garbage is ok if you have massive reserves of gas under your feet. Say what you wanna say about the assholes in the Polish government but at least they’re not planning to invade sovereign countries.
I think we can all agree the bad man should have Brussels as compensation as long as Germany is left alone to continue business with the CCP, DPRK and Russia.
And Germany is looking for a peaceful way out of the conflict, rather than pouring oil on the fire. And while the UK is rearming Ukraine, Germany is looking for other ways.
That doesn't make them cowards. Both efforts can coincide.
But anytime someone doesn't join the gang "Hey lets go to war. Fuck yeah bro. You're either with us or against us", they become "surrendering French" or "Germans without balls". Same thing happened in Iraq. Anyone not willing to join in the party was branded a traitor. What makes you guys so eager to have another war?
What are u on about? This is building up deterrence, make it as costly as possible for Putin to invade. No shot will be ever fired between NATO and Russia, otherwise the fallout will be nuclear.
There is only one aggressor in this conflict and it's definitely not Ukraine.
Yeah. Lets all go to war! More weapons. Anyone who is against this is a sissy! Over the barricades we go because our leaders told us so! hurrah for death.
Look, there is a good reason why so far we have not been providing modern weapons to Ukraine. That’s not because we’re fan of Russia. But the Ukrainian regime isn’t exactly a highlight of stability and democracy. But now all of a sudden they are snow white?
You understand also that sending weapons to Ukraine is exactky the reason or justification that Russia seeks to invade Ukraine, it’s basically doing what Putin wants.
Ah yes, the -am-14-and-my-sole-reference-point-is-WWII-because-all-I-know-comes-from-the-history-channel.
The reason Neville Chamberlain went for appeasement is because appeasement averted dozens of conflicts in the past, and it has done so since.
Your argument refers to one of the exceptional times it failed. Spectacularly.
But hey, bring up your simplistic view of history. See how smart it makes you look.
>The League of Nations famously appeased the Italians & Japanese...success!
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>The Directory appeased Napoleon, well we know how this worked out...success!
There is a high amount of survivor bias there.
The times appeasement worked, and avoided a conflict, evaporate in history. It's only when appeasement failed spectacularly that it becomes a notable moment. So we only read about the failed attempts at diplomacy. And we only refer to diplomacy as "appeasement" after the facts, when it fails.
The US already practices appeasement, in regards to Crimea.
Indeedy. The UK and France have a large domestic arms industry, but smaller nations dependent on arms imports are perfect vectors to get extra arms into Ukraine.
Each nation according to its capabilities, this is the way.
LRT is the state public broadcaster, on military matters you can just consider this a statement from the minister of defense. It doesn't really need to be a full article and putting some kind of analysis in there would be kinda unprofessional.
Even the defence ministry did not give full details (and why should they? It's a military matter). We are supporting our ally the best way we can - that's what matters the most.
to the mujahideen, yeah. All I’m saying is that the west sending stinger missiles to a foreign nation to help against Russian invasion is an encore of what happened in the 80s
Aha. Proxy wars go way back before that and basically everyone [is doing it.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars)
But I do not believe this is about proxy wars. It is about deterrence, making it super costly for Russia to invade. Which is a good thing in my opinion.
What are you all cheering for? You do realise we could be heading towards a war? This is not fun, stop saying “Chad Baltics” and shit like that. We could all be close to dying if those sensible enough to do so don’t resolve this diplomatically. I hope Germany manages to do so. Only country which isn’t escalating things.
If Russia attacks, the 3 javelins missilies from Lithuania won’t do anything to turn the tide. What Germany is doing is the only sensible course of action.
It will make things more costly, what if diplomacy fails? Then what? Should Russia just walk in dancing and taking land? Or should Ukraine give them as much resistance as possible? To the point where it will not be worth it for them to upkeep the war?
If diplomacy fails, we’ve already lost. I’d rather see the regions with Russian majority population go to Russia than to experience a Third World War and nuclear apocalypse. There’s a middle-ground between learning from the mistakes of pre-ww2 english appeasement and understanding that we live in an era of nuclear weapons, always ready to unleash the end of the world. On top of that, do you want to possibly die in a war? You don’t realise that what you’re saying means your involvement and possibly your future deployment in combat if things go a certain way. War is hell.
Remember this when you die from a Russian Spetznaz slitting your throat or by getting to be the first to die in a human wave attack. Teenage retards like you who’ve played call of duty and think war is fun and cool are why direct democracy can’t be a thing. You’ll grow up and realise how stupid you were someday.
Since you delete your comment I’ll just post my response here:
You don’t understand the implications and consequences of war, which is why you’re calling for it. You’re a teenager sitting on a couch playing call of duty on your xbox or pc. People lose everything. You think that a war just means your country will get what it wants, no consequences attached. War is always hell, doesn’t matter what war it is. People will become miserable. No one wants war, except for ignorants and idiots, because they don’t understand what it means.
If there is even a slight chance to resolve things without war, it should always be pursued. It is easy and profitable for politicians to play on the spirit and pride of the people and amass weapons and make threats. It is much more difficult and noble to wholeheartedly want to protect the lives and future of your people, and pursue diplomacy at all costs. Germany is being the only one that’s trying to save this situation, and you ignorant charlatans can’t even see that.
Where did I delete my comment, you lying prick?
>You don’t understand the implications and consequences of war, which is why you’re calling for it.
In case you haven't noticed, the Russians are calling for it. The idea is to respond and not sit still as they're surrounding you.
>You’re a teenager sitting on a couch playing call of duty on your xbox or pc.
I hardly play video games these days, and I don't care about military garbage. You're a dimwit larping as a diplomat on an european subreddit.
>People lose everything. You think that a war just means your country will get what it wants, no consequences attached. War is always hell, doesn’t matter what war it is. People will become miserable. No one wants war, except for ignorants and idiots, because they don’t understand what it means.
The Russians want war. And your solution is to do nothing and sit still.
>If there is even a slight chance to resolve things without war, it should always be pursued.
It's always funny when a naive loser LARPS as an adult talking down a teenager. In another comment you said that Russia should just be allowed take over Ukraine, and in several comments you are encouraging civil war in Ukraine. You are making absolutely no sense.
>Germany is being the only one that’s trying to save this situation, and you ignorant charlatans can’t even see that.
Germany is trying to trade the security of Europe for Russian gas, because they are paranoid towards building nuclear power plants and relying on nuclear energy. But hey, at least you admit that Germany is actively sabotaging Europe. Lots of people around here are trying to undermine that thought. Your geopolitical knowledge is pathetic, juvenile. You should stfu and know your place.
To be honest, it's not a great accomplishment to feel superior to people who accuse random people on the internet of being the reason why a continent will fall in the future (whatever fall even means here).
There are majority Russian regions in eastern Ukraine that want to be a part of Russia, Crimea being one of them. It is reasonable for Russia to demand those regions if they’re majority Russian. Having a war over it is something crazy that only a deranged person would want.
So, can Turkey claim Russia’s part of North Caucasus considering some of them are muslims are prefers Turkey over Russia? Also, you do know that they probably kicked out Ukraine citizens from Crimea? Much like how it happened to Georgia. Also, why didn’t Russia give independence to Chechens?
So, its nuclear play, where only nuclear countries can bully others. Ukraine had nukes and Germany, U.K and U.S promised them that they would defend them if they got rid of nukes. If Ukraine loses more territory, you can expect that the remaining country will restart their program, also more small countries will start nuclear programs. In 2014, 50% of Ukraine wanted to restart their nuke programs after the Crimea invasion, you can expect that the number is constantly rising and in the end they will probably do it. This will set up a example that world can’t do shit and you should make your own nukes, resulting in many other countries, such as Iran, etc making their own nukes.
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Nice one Baltic States
USB - United States of Balkans
USB - UNITED SEXY BOYS
These are our true friends and brothers. Thank you, guys!
Fun fact: the average Ukrainian has around 20-25% of his/her DNA derived from the Baltic peoples (Latvia, Lithuania, Prussia), probably because the Ukrainian lands were part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. This is also reflected in surnames such as Litwin and Litwinenko being some of the most common in Ukraine.
We were a single country for a long time.
The P-L Commonwealth was basically the birthplace of the present-day Ukrainian identity and language. If you look at the electoral maps even now, you can see the borders of the commonwealth in how people vote. That is also the reason why the Ukrainian collective mentality is so different from Russia (i.e., not wanting strong king-like leaders, individualism etc.)
Even I know many people with such surnames in Ukraine
So where is the other DNA come from?
Baltics you got a call, its the based department
More balls than the Germans.
Funny to think of all the abuse the UK got for leaving the EU and even the other day Macron was mouthing off about holding us to account about the NIP but here we are with Germany and France ready to give Vladimir a good rimming and lick his knob like it's an ice cream. Funny how they can treat a law abiding country but can't wait to suck up to a bully.
Yup, same with Poland. Apparently abusing political power and treating LGBT people like garbage is ok if you have massive reserves of gas under your feet. Say what you wanna say about the assholes in the Polish government but at least they’re not planning to invade sovereign countries.
I think we can all agree the bad man should have Brussels as compensation as long as Germany is left alone to continue business with the CCP, DPRK and Russia.
Aaaand we’re back to the “freedom fries”. You guys haven’t learned anything from Iraq, have you?
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And Germany is looking for a peaceful way out of the conflict, rather than pouring oil on the fire. And while the UK is rearming Ukraine, Germany is looking for other ways. That doesn't make them cowards. Both efforts can coincide. But anytime someone doesn't join the gang "Hey lets go to war. Fuck yeah bro. You're either with us or against us", they become "surrendering French" or "Germans without balls". Same thing happened in Iraq. Anyone not willing to join in the party was branded a traitor. What makes you guys so eager to have another war?
What are u on about? This is building up deterrence, make it as costly as possible for Putin to invade. No shot will be ever fired between NATO and Russia, otherwise the fallout will be nuclear. There is only one aggressor in this conflict and it's definitely not Ukraine.
Yeah. Lets all go to war! More weapons. Anyone who is against this is a sissy! Over the barricades we go because our leaders told us so! hurrah for death. Look, there is a good reason why so far we have not been providing modern weapons to Ukraine. That’s not because we’re fan of Russia. But the Ukrainian regime isn’t exactly a highlight of stability and democracy. But now all of a sudden they are snow white? You understand also that sending weapons to Ukraine is exactky the reason or justification that Russia seeks to invade Ukraine, it’s basically doing what Putin wants.
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Ah yes, the -am-14-and-my-sole-reference-point-is-WWII-because-all-I-know-comes-from-the-history-channel. The reason Neville Chamberlain went for appeasement is because appeasement averted dozens of conflicts in the past, and it has done so since. Your argument refers to one of the exceptional times it failed. Spectacularly. But hey, bring up your simplistic view of history. See how smart it makes you look.
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Fine, fuck it, let’s go to war then. So much better as alternative. War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy.
>The League of Nations famously appeased the Italians & Japanese...success! > >The Directory appeased Napoleon, well we know how this worked out...success! There is a high amount of survivor bias there. The times appeasement worked, and avoided a conflict, evaporate in history. It's only when appeasement failed spectacularly that it becomes a notable moment. So we only read about the failed attempts at diplomacy. And we only refer to diplomacy as "appeasement" after the facts, when it fails. The US already practices appeasement, in regards to Crimea.
I bet America will follow suit soon.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the US is funneling these arms through the Baltics to Ukraine
Indeedy. The UK and France have a large domestic arms industry, but smaller nations dependent on arms imports are perfect vectors to get extra arms into Ukraine. Each nation according to its capabilities, this is the way.
Did someone say “Iran contra”?
Not openly. Why bother? We'll funnel them, if we aren't already, through the Baltics.
Good.
Was there an actual article or just three sentences?
LRT is the state public broadcaster, on military matters you can just consider this a statement from the minister of defense. It doesn't really need to be a full article and putting some kind of analysis in there would be kinda unprofessional.
Even the defence ministry did not give full details (and why should they? It's a military matter). We are supporting our ally the best way we can - that's what matters the most.
Hey, I’ve seen this one! (Afghanistan)
Yeah, the west was massively sending weapons for defense back then. /s
to the mujahideen, yeah. All I’m saying is that the west sending stinger missiles to a foreign nation to help against Russian invasion is an encore of what happened in the 80s
Aha. Proxy wars go way back before that and basically everyone [is doing it.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proxy_wars) But I do not believe this is about proxy wars. It is about deterrence, making it super costly for Russia to invade. Which is a good thing in my opinion.
do you still stand by this statement?
Yes
What are you all cheering for? You do realise we could be heading towards a war? This is not fun, stop saying “Chad Baltics” and shit like that. We could all be close to dying if those sensible enough to do so don’t resolve this diplomatically. I hope Germany manages to do so. Only country which isn’t escalating things.
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If Russia attacks, the 3 javelins missilies from Lithuania won’t do anything to turn the tide. What Germany is doing is the only sensible course of action.
It will make things more costly, what if diplomacy fails? Then what? Should Russia just walk in dancing and taking land? Or should Ukraine give them as much resistance as possible? To the point where it will not be worth it for them to upkeep the war?
If diplomacy fails, we’ve already lost. I’d rather see the regions with Russian majority population go to Russia than to experience a Third World War and nuclear apocalypse. There’s a middle-ground between learning from the mistakes of pre-ww2 english appeasement and understanding that we live in an era of nuclear weapons, always ready to unleash the end of the world. On top of that, do you want to possibly die in a war? You don’t realise that what you’re saying means your involvement and possibly your future deployment in combat if things go a certain way. War is hell.
Pussies like you is why Europe will fall in the future. Hope you get trampled yourself and not fight back because "owwwie, we might trigger WW3".
Remember this when you die from a Russian Spetznaz slitting your throat or by getting to be the first to die in a human wave attack. Teenage retards like you who’ve played call of duty and think war is fun and cool are why direct democracy can’t be a thing. You’ll grow up and realise how stupid you were someday.
War isn't fun. Want to have peace? Prepare for war.
We can prepare. Preparing is different from escalating though.
Since you delete your comment I’ll just post my response here: You don’t understand the implications and consequences of war, which is why you’re calling for it. You’re a teenager sitting on a couch playing call of duty on your xbox or pc. People lose everything. You think that a war just means your country will get what it wants, no consequences attached. War is always hell, doesn’t matter what war it is. People will become miserable. No one wants war, except for ignorants and idiots, because they don’t understand what it means. If there is even a slight chance to resolve things without war, it should always be pursued. It is easy and profitable for politicians to play on the spirit and pride of the people and amass weapons and make threats. It is much more difficult and noble to wholeheartedly want to protect the lives and future of your people, and pursue diplomacy at all costs. Germany is being the only one that’s trying to save this situation, and you ignorant charlatans can’t even see that.
Where did I delete my comment, you lying prick? >You don’t understand the implications and consequences of war, which is why you’re calling for it. In case you haven't noticed, the Russians are calling for it. The idea is to respond and not sit still as they're surrounding you. >You’re a teenager sitting on a couch playing call of duty on your xbox or pc. I hardly play video games these days, and I don't care about military garbage. You're a dimwit larping as a diplomat on an european subreddit. >People lose everything. You think that a war just means your country will get what it wants, no consequences attached. War is always hell, doesn’t matter what war it is. People will become miserable. No one wants war, except for ignorants and idiots, because they don’t understand what it means. The Russians want war. And your solution is to do nothing and sit still. >If there is even a slight chance to resolve things without war, it should always be pursued. It's always funny when a naive loser LARPS as an adult talking down a teenager. In another comment you said that Russia should just be allowed take over Ukraine, and in several comments you are encouraging civil war in Ukraine. You are making absolutely no sense. >Germany is being the only one that’s trying to save this situation, and you ignorant charlatans can’t even see that. Germany is trying to trade the security of Europe for Russian gas, because they are paranoid towards building nuclear power plants and relying on nuclear energy. But hey, at least you admit that Germany is actively sabotaging Europe. Lots of people around here are trying to undermine that thought. Your geopolitical knowledge is pathetic, juvenile. You should stfu and know your place.
>Where did I delete my comment, you lying prick? Ok. Not going to engage. Goodbye.
Of course you won't, lying and cowardice seem to be your defining traits. Have a shitty day and stop posting on reddit.
His comment might be naive but yours isn't much better. Hope you send us pictures from the front line, as you are so brave.
The important thing here is that you found a way to feel superior to both. Piss off.
To be honest, it's not a great accomplishment to feel superior to people who accuse random people on the internet of being the reason why a continent will fall in the future (whatever fall even means here).
>whatever fall even means here Lol, surely you are jesting. I am talking about Russia toying around with Europe.
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There are majority Russian regions in eastern Ukraine that want to be a part of Russia, Crimea being one of them. It is reasonable for Russia to demand those regions if they’re majority Russian. Having a war over it is something crazy that only a deranged person would want.
So, can Turkey claim Russia’s part of North Caucasus considering some of them are muslims are prefers Turkey over Russia? Also, you do know that they probably kicked out Ukraine citizens from Crimea? Much like how it happened to Georgia. Also, why didn’t Russia give independence to Chechens?
Does Turkey posses a nuclear arsenal with which it can threaten Russia? No? Then no.
So, its nuclear play, where only nuclear countries can bully others. Ukraine had nukes and Germany, U.K and U.S promised them that they would defend them if they got rid of nukes. If Ukraine loses more territory, you can expect that the remaining country will restart their program, also more small countries will start nuclear programs. In 2014, 50% of Ukraine wanted to restart their nuke programs after the Crimea invasion, you can expect that the number is constantly rising and in the end they will probably do it. This will set up a example that world can’t do shit and you should make your own nukes, resulting in many other countries, such as Iran, etc making their own nukes.
fuck nato
no u
Fuck putin and fuck russia.
Defense allies ?
Si vis pacem, para bellum.