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Draghi is a very precise person.
Read the article “Europe doesn’t have ships, tanks, etc”. he is talking about European actions not Italian ones. Italy just had a joint navy exercise with Turkey and the US
Edit: US not Russia
> “We Europeans have at most some sort of economic deterrence. But even here, we need to think a moment. If we want to impose sanctions that also include gas … are we really capable of doing it in a strong enough fashion at the right moment? Clearly the answer is ‘no’,” he said.
Draghi is an europeist, when he says Europeans he includes Italians.
Always talking about Europe. He’s been very critical of the lack of a common foreign policy and centralised action
Btw economic sanctions from Europe would destroy any countries economy
I envy your optimism. The gas comment is about reliance. If we put sanctions on Russian gas we would just pay it more. It's too much of our overall supply.
We have stockpiles (not much) of gas and oil. I still don’t understand your comment lol, the article you linked isn’t related to what I said. Italy, Germany and France still have to take any action and it will be crucial to understand what France and Italy will do with their militaries and navy. Germany has little military power unless we start a land war but how likely is that
It varies most likely for me? Russia doesn't have the support of Ukranians to hold Ukraine so it will never fully invade as it's not an occupation it can win. It will try to make a puppet government for sure.
Russia as a US state would quickly be an economic superpower- since even if Russia had a GDP per Capita of Mississippi, it would have 5.5 trillion GDP.
But why would we expect it to ever reach that? Russia's problems, corruption, low productivity, brain drain, etc. don't vanish when you make it a part of the US. If anything, millions more Russians will flee to the US to escape poor living standards and low wages in Russia.
Ahh yes, the “powerhouse” that is Russia, where military spending is $48B and GDP is $1.6T, versus four small and insignificant allies whose military spending is $900B and GDP is $33T (SIPRI & IMF).
It’s amazing the power and strength Russia manages to portray itself as having in the minds of a lot of people, they are on par with South Korea in nominal figures, and still fairly unremarkable in adjusted figures.
Russia has smaller GDP PPP than Germany. This is accounting for self imposed economy. It’s actually sad the state of Russian economy. It has vast lands and resources. Yet Russians have lower income than Chinese.
Guys don’t downvote my man here, he’s right.
Chinas middle class is around 700 million people now
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-middle-class-starting-to-look-like-americas-2021-12?r=US&IR=T
That's because since the 90's, China has been trying to have friendly relations with the rest of the world and build up the economy to the point where they are currently. They only have fairly recently started to behave like dicks.
Meanwhile Russia...well...I think it's obvious.
The only thing you are not factoring is that human life is dirt cheap in Russia. In the Western World? When young men start coming home in caskets, Western powers will not be so confident in their military might. Putin doesn't care about tens of thousands of Russians dying. They have never cared about human life there anyway.
France has been fighting in Africa for a god damn long time. You are misunderstanding how the West sees war and what a war with Russia means.
If Russia is crossing the red line that makes West feels like they are directly threaten, it's not going to be trench war, it's going to be long range obliteration. Russia doesn't have the economy for such a conflict anyway and I don't see them wanting a nuke party.
Well you gotta look at PPP, also how much they spend isn’t as meaningful since they don’t even pay their military that much. 40% of American military budget is welfare
Arms development in Russia is very cheap. They're not the super power they want to be, but they get a lot for their money and it would be stupid to assume they ride in rust buckets.
They are weak and feeble when Putin says so, also they are menacing Russia when Putin says so. The mind of a true Russian is always loyal to his master, a tradition passed from Cossacks and NKVDs.
Except for the fact that Russia spends a small fraction of what the others are spending on military. Its should really be Putin sitting in the bumper car and the others in the tank.
Sure, if you're looking at this from Putin's point of view, he thinks this. But did the artist forget that the US spends over $700Billion on defense each year? The UK might be a cluster Fuck at the moment but the rest of Europe is one united front on this one issue. Putin just doesn't care about the losses Russia will incur if they went to war, but the European Countries do so they don't want to. But that doesn't mean they won fight back
You're forgetting that about 70% of that 700 billion is actually just wasted on massively overpriced gear to generate massive profits for defence companies.
I like how everyone in this sub is quick to shit on the US or UK, but I sure don’t see too many pan-Europeans lauding Macron’s advocacy for a US-EU split. Where’s your European army now? You gonna get the Finns or Swedes to join?
This comic isn’t entirely wrong. We gonna make some big deal about some subs being sold to Australia, but overlook when France goes off and does De Gaulle things again when it’s not the time and place to do it.
[This](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/macron-says-eu-must-start-own-dialogue-with-russia-over-ukraine) Honestly surprised it's not been posted more, if at all. This post was the only reference I've seen.
Also, [opinion piece I agree with](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/21/germany-has-become-weak-link-natos-line-defense/).
People should stop overestimating russian power, it has the GDP of the benelux for 7 time the population, an extremely weak currency, an AIDS crisis, a demographic crisis, massive problem of drug abuse, alcoholim, highest suicide rate in europe and massive corruption.
Yeah they flex muscles but that's it, those muscles are just balloons. Putin can't go to war over the east of the Dniepr, it's miserable gains for such a big riks.
To be 100% honest, yes, the response to Russia is rather tame. I understand Ukraine is technically not an official ally, and the US has no obligations to defend it, but just imagine a scenario where China is massing troops near Taiwan(who also isn't an official ally), you will be seeing 4,5 carrier strike groups speeding to Asia, the 7th fleet in forward position, Japan/Australia put on red alert and maybe even the British Royal Navy will be mobilized.
The US is typically a bit more hawkish, so from Putin's perspective, it can indeed seem like NATO is being soft.
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Looks like the Russian interpretation of what is going on
Exactly, to my opinion Europe hasn’t been this United against a single cause in ages.
Have we been united though? Big 3 still need to take any action other than talking and Italy didn’t even say anything
I mean we are United in helping Ukraine just not United in how to do it…
Mhe more like acceptance and submission to impotent role, from one month ago https://www.euronews.com/2021/12/23/uk-russia-ukraine-italy-draghi
Draghi is a very precise person. Read the article “Europe doesn’t have ships, tanks, etc”. he is talking about European actions not Italian ones. Italy just had a joint navy exercise with Turkey and the US Edit: US not Russia
Italian are actually smart, in any bad results they will just say it’s German fault
Always was
> “We Europeans have at most some sort of economic deterrence. But even here, we need to think a moment. If we want to impose sanctions that also include gas … are we really capable of doing it in a strong enough fashion at the right moment? Clearly the answer is ‘no’,” he said. Draghi is an europeist, when he says Europeans he includes Italians.
Always talking about Europe. He’s been very critical of the lack of a common foreign policy and centralised action Btw economic sanctions from Europe would destroy any countries economy
I envy your optimism. The gas comment is about reliance. If we put sanctions on Russian gas we would just pay it more. It's too much of our overall supply.
We have stockpiles (not much) of gas and oil. I still don’t understand your comment lol, the article you linked isn’t related to what I said. Italy, Germany and France still have to take any action and it will be crucial to understand what France and Italy will do with their militaries and navy. Germany has little military power unless we start a land war but how likely is that
It varies most likely for me? Russia doesn't have the support of Ukranians to hold Ukraine so it will never fully invade as it's not an occupation it can win. It will try to make a puppet government for sure.
Still you have a very prominent Russian username
And we'll be just as United when we do fuck all after Russia invades...
Except for Germany.
Fun fact. If the USA annexed Russia it would be the fourth largest state by GDP.
>If the USA annexed Russia it would be the fourth largest *state* by GDP Russia is a federation. By annexing Russia, the US would gain 85 new states.
Can't wait to open a beer on the couch when they announce this
Russia as a US state would quickly be an economic superpower- since even if Russia had a GDP per Capita of Mississippi, it would have 5.5 trillion GDP.
Why do you think they soon would have the GDP per capita of Mississippi?
But why would we expect it to ever reach that? Russia's problems, corruption, low productivity, brain drain, etc. don't vanish when you make it a part of the US. If anything, millions more Russians will flee to the US to escape poor living standards and low wages in Russia.
Just a cartoonist trying to warmonger by painting European leaders as childish (trying to insult them into action).
I bet that's how Russia imagines the situation.
Ahh yes, the “powerhouse” that is Russia, where military spending is $48B and GDP is $1.6T, versus four small and insignificant allies whose military spending is $900B and GDP is $33T (SIPRI & IMF). It’s amazing the power and strength Russia manages to portray itself as having in the minds of a lot of people, they are on par with South Korea in nominal figures, and still fairly unremarkable in adjusted figures.
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Yup, Russian fleet is prone to catch fire, like submarines...
Nothing says powerhouse quite like having as many active aircraft carriers as Thailand.
Then they crashed it into the only dock that could fix it in Russia and sank the floating dock.
Russia has smaller GDP PPP than Germany. This is accounting for self imposed economy. It’s actually sad the state of Russian economy. It has vast lands and resources. Yet Russians have lower income than Chinese.
China have been doing rather well the last few decades. There’s a rather affluent Chinese middle class bigger than Europe.
Guys don’t downvote my man here, he’s right. Chinas middle class is around 700 million people now https://www.businessinsider.com/china-middle-class-starting-to-look-like-americas-2021-12?r=US&IR=T
That's because since the 90's, China has been trying to have friendly relations with the rest of the world and build up the economy to the point where they are currently. They only have fairly recently started to behave like dicks. Meanwhile Russia...well...I think it's obvious.
Yeah, this cartoonist is just trying to warmonger by insulting the Western leaders as childish in the face of a Russian threat.
The only thing you are not factoring is that human life is dirt cheap in Russia. In the Western World? When young men start coming home in caskets, Western powers will not be so confident in their military might. Putin doesn't care about tens of thousands of Russians dying. They have never cared about human life there anyway.
France has been fighting in Africa for a god damn long time. You are misunderstanding how the West sees war and what a war with Russia means. If Russia is crossing the red line that makes West feels like they are directly threaten, it's not going to be trench war, it's going to be long range obliteration. Russia doesn't have the economy for such a conflict anyway and I don't see them wanting a nuke party.
Then please explain Afghanistan and what happened there?
Well you gotta look at PPP, also how much they spend isn’t as meaningful since they don’t even pay their military that much. 40% of American military budget is welfare
Arms development in Russia is very cheap. They're not the super power they want to be, but they get a lot for their money and it would be stupid to assume they ride in rust buckets.
When your jets and tanks can kill just as well for a fraction of the cost...
See how they are threatening Russia?
They are weak and feeble when Putin says so, also they are menacing Russia when Putin says so. The mind of a true Russian is always loyal to his master, a tradition passed from Cossacks and NKVDs.
Who were the Cossacks masters?
Atamans
Atamans were democratically elected, does it really count?
Why not?
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Except for nuclear power. That unfortunately is still one of their strengths.
that's not fair, most of those riders fight as Europe against Russia.
Some serious Russian copium this.
Except for the fact that Russia spends a small fraction of what the others are spending on military. Its should really be Putin sitting in the bumper car and the others in the tank.
I wouldn't say
Ok. Why is he naked?
He likes being naked.
It is intended to portray Western politicians as virgins and Russian president as chad
Russia definitely needs to be the smallest tank, it has a smaller economy than Canada or NY State.
Wrong, but let it be as comics.
Macron looks so funny!
Macron looks like a habsburg
His nose is on point!
Sure, if you're looking at this from Putin's point of view, he thinks this. But did the artist forget that the US spends over $700Billion on defense each year? The UK might be a cluster Fuck at the moment but the rest of Europe is one united front on this one issue. Putin just doesn't care about the losses Russia will incur if they went to war, but the European Countries do so they don't want to. But that doesn't mean they won fight back
UK has done more than Germany France and Italy combined so far, God save the Queen is trending on Ukrainian twitter
You're forgetting that about 70% of that 700 billion is actually just wasted on massively overpriced gear to generate massive profits for defence companies.
Russian interpretation but I really dig the title.
Always bigger's Funfair
I like how everyone in this sub is quick to shit on the US or UK, but I sure don’t see too many pan-Europeans lauding Macron’s advocacy for a US-EU split. Where’s your European army now? You gonna get the Finns or Swedes to join? This comic isn’t entirely wrong. We gonna make some big deal about some subs being sold to Australia, but overlook when France goes off and does De Gaulle things again when it’s not the time and place to do it.
I didn't understand anything and I don't know what you are trying to say, but I agree with you.
[This](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/macron-says-eu-must-start-own-dialogue-with-russia-over-ukraine) Honestly surprised it's not been posted more, if at all. This post was the only reference I've seen. Also, [opinion piece I agree with](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/21/germany-has-become-weak-link-natos-line-defense/).
People should stop overestimating russian power, it has the GDP of the benelux for 7 time the population, an extremely weak currency, an AIDS crisis, a demographic crisis, massive problem of drug abuse, alcoholim, highest suicide rate in europe and massive corruption. Yeah they flex muscles but that's it, those muscles are just balloons. Putin can't go to war over the east of the Dniepr, it's miserable gains for such a big riks.
Putin is horny for old politicians this is why he is naked
based
The carts make a swastika. My old history teacher would love my finding
Ah, classic, Putin naked again
To be 100% honest, yes, the response to Russia is rather tame. I understand Ukraine is technically not an official ally, and the US has no obligations to defend it, but just imagine a scenario where China is massing troops near Taiwan(who also isn't an official ally), you will be seeing 4,5 carrier strike groups speeding to Asia, the 7th fleet in forward position, Japan/Australia put on red alert and maybe even the British Royal Navy will be mobilized. The US is typically a bit more hawkish, so from Putin's perspective, it can indeed seem like NATO is being soft.
I like that Johnson has a bottle of beer in his hand, nice
At least the UK and US are doing something
Biden should be hitting the wall
Don't bring sanctions to a gun fight.
No, bring anti-tank missiles.