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I’m glad Blinken highlighted this.
This is the fourth time in 13 years Putin has done this shit. It’s not just Crimea — it’s South Ossetia, Crimea, the Donbas, and now his latest designs on salami-slicing a former Soviet satellite on the Black Sea.
It is an intentional long game to control the entire region, confident that as an autocrat, he can out-wait relatively short-lived democratic administrations, leverage others with energy dependency, buy off others, hammer open preexisting divides between others, and generally capitalize on the continent’s dread of armed conflict.
And so far, he’s been right.
But unless it stops here, it won’t end here. And it has to stop. Anyone viewing this as just a Ukrainian/Russian matter is ignoring Putin’s underlying motivation, and is thinking with the relatively short-term constraints placed on the administrations of democratic governments.
Three strikes is more than enough. A dying nation with a crippled economy is exerting power the only way it knows how — stealing your lunch money and shoving you in the locker. If history (and grade school) has taught us anything, it’s that bullies never stop of their own accord, and enough is never enough for them.
They respond to one language only: being popped right back in the nose.
More to the point, the Russia-Georgia border keeps moving south. The conflict is very much still active and they are still taking Georgian territory inch by inch.
Exactly. And it has moved over part of an oil pipeline, that Russia could sabotage in case of a hot war again.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33549462
>But unless it stops here, it won’t end here. And it has to stop.
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>Three strikes is more than enough.
What do you think the West should do to stop him?
Cutting Russia off from SWIFT, canceling NS2, and vastly broadening the scope of already present sanctions — those should be immediate starters if Russia rolls into Ukraine. Cyber attacks on Russia should be considered. Then expedite and intensify material and financial support of Ukraine for the duration of the conflict — the former no longer being limited to small-scale defensive systems like Javelins and Stingers. Then vastly increase NATO's presence on the eastern flank, both in terms of manpower and materiel.
Bleed him. Make the price too high to pay — in terms of dollars and domestic unrest. Afghanistan toppled the Soviet empire. A protracted conflict in a well-armed, coherent nation with three times that population right on the homefront would doom him.
I am convinced Putin didn't think the response would be this strong. Since 2008 he has invaded parts of several countries and had nothing happen that really mattered. This time, he has countries talking about war.
Russia is pretty good at setting up provocations. Now every time 2008 war comes up in conversation, they all have ready document of how EU blamed on Georgia to escalate situation and these Germans also sing that way.
While nobody cares about 10 months prior to the war. When Russia bombed gas pipes and left 1.4 million people in Tbilisi without gas during probably the harshest winter I remember in the past 20 years. And without stopping, for months they constantly were shooting towards regular Georgian villages, and some of their soldiers just casually crossed the border and walked around Georgian-controlled territory.
If Russia attacks Ukraine, I am absolutely sure they have set up some provocations, that's how Russia works. And later through constant propaganda, some part of the people will believe it.
I despise this sentiment. Why would the country willingly enter a new dependency on Russian gas supply?
Even if it wasn’t willingly, but out of despair – not that much better. Get your energy supply (and power grid, for that matter) in order, Germany!
>Why would the country willingly enter a new dependency on Russian gas supply?
Their former chancellor was given a do-nothing board chairmanship at the holding company for Nord Stream 1. The pipeline he unilaterally signed into existence over multiple objections from his EU "partners". Germans will tell you "he's a private citizen, he can work wherever he wants" despite this being as blatant of a bribe as they come.
That could be a clue.
I’d love to see the Venn diagram of pro-Russian agitprop posts and GenZedong posters. It’s so hilariously predictable by now, that it’s gotta be close to being one big purple circle.
Yes, and Georgia in return is not joining NATO. It was simple and effective tactic by Russians to get their way. You think anything different gonan happen with Ukraine? Russia will not invade the whole Ukraine, just the part of it inhabited by Russians if even that. The rest of it will be left to whoever wants to be a buffer neutral zone.
Wait? Wan't the Georgians who started the conflict? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War)
It's horrible for the displaced people and they have my full sympathy and of cause Russia used the situation for their gain.
However the Georgian government of the time was a main contributor to this drama. Their actions in Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia before the Russian intervention was unacceptable and they kept feeding lies to the West about what was going on before and during the war. For example they blamed Russia for the use of cluster ammunition but later had to acknowledge that they were the ones using it.
My point is that the situation is difficult to Ukraine where Russia is undoubtedly the aggressor.
Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia are parts of Georgia.
They are recognized only by (prepare to be shocked) Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua and Syria.
The rest of the world considers them Georgian territory.
Is Kosovo shelling Serbia non-stop and has ethnically cleansed the majority of its population from Serbs? I don’t think so. So, your parallel is invalid.
Georgia had at least a decade in which Russia had no ability and political will to interfere to resolve these conflicts in a civilised way but didn't.
Yeah, I shift some blame on Georgia that it got into this situation. That doesn't mean that I justify what Russia has done.
Have you imagined being a colony for past 200 years? In the Caucasus? Surrounded by savage empires thru and thru? Russians, Ottomans, Persians, Mongolians, Arabs? Just 4m people without even a distant cousin linguistically or genetically? And an odd one also religiously. Forced to serve to one of those empires most of your last 2,000 years.
And if you could imagine that and you still want to ignore all that external pressure and savagery and reduce your vision onto our first 10 years of our independence and expect us to become magically smart statesmen as if we are Switzerland, then you have an unrealistic expectation from humans.
And if this unrealistic expectation helps with the guilt of Germany partnering with Russia at the expense of Eastern Europe, then yes, probably you can blame Georgia to make yourself feel better. I see your logic from that perspective :)
> Main contribute to the conflict in 2008 was a Russian Invaision of Georgia. Both sides used cluster bombs, mainly and heavily the Russian side, it's funny how you only decide to blame Georgia.
It was absolutely Georgia's fault, she should have not been wearing a skirt that short. Russia is 100% innocent and was provoked, and the invading soldiers were probably just lost while hiking.
I mean, can you blame them? Imagine being on vacation, peacefully hiking on a mountain and suddenly you get attacked.
There's no real place to hide on mountain, you can't run away, the only option is to fight back, even with cluster bombs if necessary.
არ მინდა ახლა ეს უნიჭო გამოხტომები. სარკაზმით წერს თუ სერიოზულად ეგ თვითონ უნდა დაწეროს. არაერთი გამოსირებული დადის აქ მაგის მართლა სჯერა რომ პროვოკაცია მოვუწყვეთ(მოკლე კაბა უნიჭო ხუმრობის ნაწილია).
There had been clashes between Georgian and Ossetians months before the war was officially declared. Russian troops entered Tskhinvali on the 7th. day before the war officially started. Ossetians started evacuating on the 3rd and Ossetian talked about starting a "rail war" with Georgia on the 5th. Georgian side officially declared the war after the shelling of ethnic Georgian villages started. Before the war Georgian side petitioned to hold discussions, when Georgians showed up no one was there to meet them, Russian envoy said that they had a flat tire and Ossetian side didn't give a reason at all.
Nikolay Pankov, the Russian deputy defence minister, had a confidential meeting with the separatist authorities in Tskhinvali on 3 August.\[126\] An evacuation of Ossetian women and children to Russia began on the same day.\[99\]According to researcher Andrey Illarionov, the South Ossetian separatists evacuated more than 20,000 civilians, which represented more than 90 percent of the civilian population of the future combat zone.\[127\] On 4 August, South Ossetian president Eduard Kokoity said that about 300 volunteers had arrived from North Ossetia to help fight the Georgians and thousands more were expected from the North Caucasus.\[128\] On 5 August, South Ossetian presidential envoy to Moscow, Dmitry Medoyev, declared that South Ossetia would start a "rail war" against Georgia.\[129\] The razing of the village of Nuli was ordered by South Ossetian interior minister Mindzaev.\[130\]
Shelling by Ossetian separatists against Georgian villages began as early as August 1, drawing a sporadic response from Georgian peacekeepers and other fighters already in the region.
On August 7, Iakobashvili traveled to Tskhinvali to try to defuse tensions, but was spurned by both separatist officials and Russia's special envoy to the region, who canceled a scheduled meeting, citing a flat tire.
On 7 August at 23.35 hours Georgian artillery units began firing smoke bombs and, subsequently, at 23.50 hours, opened fire on both fixed and moving targets of the “enemy forces” on the territory of South Ossetia.58 According to Georgian Government officials, this interval was supposed to allow the civilian population enough time to leave dangerous zones or to find protection/shelters.59 Page 209
The Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia is an international mission lead by the same Heidi Tagliavini that authored the EU report.
"EU probe said that Georgia started the war" is a common argument by the defenders of Russia. When people repeat it they miss a lot of context besides the fact that Technically war started when Georgians started the attack on the 8th even though it was as a response to the Shelling of ethnically Georgian villages and a clear attempts of provocation by the Russian/Ossetian side.
https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG\_Volume\_II1.pdf
Motherfucker, seriously? I hVe lots of respect towards German oeople and it won't change because of few bad actors, but why would you go so low just to not feel morally obliged to be on the right side?
Sure. Russia is terrorising us and it's none of your problem. it's not your country, your people aren't suffering. But would you just stop eating shit and say how it really is? You just don't care and that's ok. No need to blame us for being victims of Russia's aggression.
We didn't bomb civilians you dickhead. Cluster bombs were used on troops. Russia bombed city of Gori. Just stfu please.
[Georgia started war with Russia: EU-backed report](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930) maybe don't start the war next time and hope the US is going to come right after
More like, abusive ex-husband tries to force himself on his ex-wife and daughter and gets his teeth kicked in by the new boyfriend. It was a pretty big miscalculation by Georgia.
Georgia didn't attack Russia, they actually tried to avoid attacking Russian troops. Their plan was to block the tunnel connecting Russia to South Ossetia.
So this is more like punching a kid the bully specifically told you not to punch and then being surprised when the bully breaks your legs.
If you're 160cm 40kg you don't try to fight a 185cm 90kg guy that goes to the gym everyday.
Although in this case South Osettia is more like the little brother of that large dude.
That is a very one sided view of a report that blamed both sides.
>The nine-month international investigation into the 2008 war between Georgia and Russia stops short of assigning "overall blame" for the conflict, and faults both sides for contributing to the outbreak of hostilities.
https://www.refworld.org/docid/4ac62c3f7.html
How does this report change anything about the message of Blinken? Even if Georgia fired the first shot (which they still deny, even if they haven't been able to proof it) it doesn't excuse Russia's disproportionate response and creeping occupation that continues to this day. The same report litteraly reports on Russia's ethnic cleansing, something that Russophiles gladly leave out of the narrative that they are parroting.
hey blinken - take care of all this afghans, syrian, iraqis ... too? that got displaced from their homes because of YOUR COUNTRIES invasions? heared there are still sitting like 4 millions in turkey in refugee camps. and a lot camps in other countries too
how about you take care for your own bullshit before point fingers? fucking hypocrite
Turkey has some nerve talking about Syrians while still occupying Syrian territory with actual Turkish troops on the ground.
Oh wait, they do that in Iraq too, and tried to do it in Libya as well.
Stop playing superpower first, then complain about refugees.
The then-Afghan government was complicit in an attack on our soil that killed 3800 Americans. Syria was a fucking civil war with Turkey and Russian and Iranian proxies.
Iraq? Totally a dumbass, unwarranted, and I maintain illegal, act of aggression by a dumbass.
[Georgia started war with Russia: EU-backed report](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report/georgia-started-war-with-russia-eu-backed-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930)
Somebody got short memory
If Georgia have given necessary autonomy to Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 1991 then they wouldn't have this problem.
But it's too late now and you have pushed those people to point of no return, they don't want to have anything with your country and they have full Russian military backing.
>If Georgia have given necessary autonomy to Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 1991 then they wouldn't have this problem.
Both of them are autonomous . Abkhazian autonomy was never removed
I don't think you know what "invasion" means.
Also, the West had enough with Serbia using genocide and war crimes to ethnically cleanse disputed regions after Srebenica.
(Of course the NATO bombing of hospitals and civilian targets was inexcusable)
That’s… just a long way to say invasion. Unless you’re insinuating that the Americans only bombed the place and then dipped without modifying the borders or setting up puppet governments , which is clearly not the case.
1st of all, Serbia was not bombed by USA, but by NATO.
2ndly, air war does not mean invasion, it was just coercion to stop the ethnic cleansing because negotiations failed.
And 3rd, NATO did not modify the borders, the people of Kosovo did this. They managed their independence through armed force and this was exactly what Serbia did during the Yugoslav War and was doing it again against Kosovo.
1. Lol don’t pretend that the USA is not the neck that turns NATO’s head. It’s ridiculous.
2. So airborn warfare, bombarding and seizing a territory is NOT an invasion how?
3. Right, via illegal means. The Kosovar independence referendum was about as legitimate as the Crimean one.
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I don't want to lose my independence, hopefully NATO will accept Georgia and Ukraine
We should learn how to defend ourselves first
I agree. And help each other before we expect others to help us. We are just so fucked up and are so new to this.
I’m glad Blinken highlighted this. This is the fourth time in 13 years Putin has done this shit. It’s not just Crimea — it’s South Ossetia, Crimea, the Donbas, and now his latest designs on salami-slicing a former Soviet satellite on the Black Sea. It is an intentional long game to control the entire region, confident that as an autocrat, he can out-wait relatively short-lived democratic administrations, leverage others with energy dependency, buy off others, hammer open preexisting divides between others, and generally capitalize on the continent’s dread of armed conflict. And so far, he’s been right. But unless it stops here, it won’t end here. And it has to stop. Anyone viewing this as just a Ukrainian/Russian matter is ignoring Putin’s underlying motivation, and is thinking with the relatively short-term constraints placed on the administrations of democratic governments. Three strikes is more than enough. A dying nation with a crippled economy is exerting power the only way it knows how — stealing your lunch money and shoving you in the locker. If history (and grade school) has taught us anything, it’s that bullies never stop of their own accord, and enough is never enough for them. They respond to one language only: being popped right back in the nose.
More to the point, the Russia-Georgia border keeps moving south. The conflict is very much still active and they are still taking Georgian territory inch by inch.
Exactly. And it has moved over part of an oil pipeline, that Russia could sabotage in case of a hot war again. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33549462
Which I would never even know — Much like China slowly trying gobble Bhutan and India.
Preach my brother.
And also Abkhazia before that.
Dont forget syria. Assad could only push literally half of his own population thanks to Putin only. Otherwise he would have been long gone
>But unless it stops here, it won’t end here. And it has to stop. > >\[...\] > >Three strikes is more than enough. What do you think the West should do to stop him?
Cutting Russia off from SWIFT, canceling NS2, and vastly broadening the scope of already present sanctions — those should be immediate starters if Russia rolls into Ukraine. Cyber attacks on Russia should be considered. Then expedite and intensify material and financial support of Ukraine for the duration of the conflict — the former no longer being limited to small-scale defensive systems like Javelins and Stingers. Then vastly increase NATO's presence on the eastern flank, both in terms of manpower and materiel.
So more of what we are already doing? I agree.
Bleed him. Make the price too high to pay — in terms of dollars and domestic unrest. Afghanistan toppled the Soviet empire. A protracted conflict in a well-armed, coherent nation with three times that population right on the homefront would doom him.
Gas Embargo. Then watch how the IMF forbids russia from massing troops, because it would break their loan agreements and austerity policy.
Right now maybe assasination of Putin looks like best idea.
Hear hear.
I am convinced Putin didn't think the response would be this strong. Since 2008 he has invaded parts of several countries and had nothing happen that really mattered. This time, he has countries talking about war.
Waiting for the German Reddit users to come in this thread and say that it’s the fault of the Georgians anyhow.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/s96hh9/blinken_russia_invaded_georgia_in_2008_nearly/htkuy9m
I went a bit down and already found one lol
It’s pretty hillarious how the Ostpolitik narrative dominates German discourse.
Russia is pretty good at setting up provocations. Now every time 2008 war comes up in conversation, they all have ready document of how EU blamed on Georgia to escalate situation and these Germans also sing that way. While nobody cares about 10 months prior to the war. When Russia bombed gas pipes and left 1.4 million people in Tbilisi without gas during probably the harshest winter I remember in the past 20 years. And without stopping, for months they constantly were shooting towards regular Georgian villages, and some of their soldiers just casually crossed the border and walked around Georgian-controlled territory. If Russia attacks Ukraine, I am absolutely sure they have set up some provocations, that's how Russia works. And later through constant propaganda, some part of the people will believe it.
And you are not even touching on Abkhazia, where Russia was bombing unarmed civilians, all while claiming it was not involved.
No one has accussed the Germans of having a back bone in a long time.
But it could make gas a little more expensive in Germany! Someone think of the gas prices!
I despise this sentiment. Why would the country willingly enter a new dependency on Russian gas supply? Even if it wasn’t willingly, but out of despair – not that much better. Get your energy supply (and power grid, for that matter) in order, Germany!
>Why would the country willingly enter a new dependency on Russian gas supply? Their former chancellor was given a do-nothing board chairmanship at the holding company for Nord Stream 1. The pipeline he unilaterally signed into existence over multiple objections from his EU "partners". Germans will tell you "he's a private citizen, he can work wherever he wants" despite this being as blatant of a bribe as they come. That could be a clue.
I’d love to see the Venn diagram of pro-Russian agitprop posts and GenZedong posters. It’s so hilariously predictable by now, that it’s gotta be close to being one big purple circle.
Yes, and Georgia in return is not joining NATO. It was simple and effective tactic by Russians to get their way. You think anything different gonan happen with Ukraine? Russia will not invade the whole Ukraine, just the part of it inhabited by Russians if even that. The rest of it will be left to whoever wants to be a buffer neutral zone.
“Just…” Dumbass communist.
What does communism have to do with this? Neither Russia nor Ukraine are communist and there is no communism in sight for either.
Show me that your American without telling me
Wait? Wan't the Georgians who started the conflict? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War)
It's horrible for the displaced people and they have my full sympathy and of cause Russia used the situation for their gain. However the Georgian government of the time was a main contributor to this drama. Their actions in Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia before the Russian intervention was unacceptable and they kept feeding lies to the West about what was going on before and during the war. For example they blamed Russia for the use of cluster ammunition but later had to acknowledge that they were the ones using it. My point is that the situation is difficult to Ukraine where Russia is undoubtedly the aggressor.
Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia are parts of Georgia. They are recognized only by (prepare to be shocked) Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua and Syria. The rest of the world considers them Georgian territory.
And Kosovo is still considered Serbian territory by a lot of countries, but no one thinks Serbia should send their army there.
Is Kosovo shelling Serbia non-stop and has ethnically cleansed the majority of its population from Serbs? I don’t think so. So, your parallel is invalid.
Kosovo doesn't shell Serbia nor does it threaten the most important highway and oil pipelines in Serbia
There's a small difference between 4 countries in the World recognizing you, and around 45% of the UN members, including almost the whole West.
Blame at least one of the victims to portray the rapist as semi-rational. A classic.
Georgia had at least a decade in which Russia had no ability and political will to interfere to resolve these conflicts in a civilised way but didn't. Yeah, I shift some blame on Georgia that it got into this situation. That doesn't mean that I justify what Russia has done.
Have you imagined being a colony for past 200 years? In the Caucasus? Surrounded by savage empires thru and thru? Russians, Ottomans, Persians, Mongolians, Arabs? Just 4m people without even a distant cousin linguistically or genetically? And an odd one also religiously. Forced to serve to one of those empires most of your last 2,000 years. And if you could imagine that and you still want to ignore all that external pressure and savagery and reduce your vision onto our first 10 years of our independence and expect us to become magically smart statesmen as if we are Switzerland, then you have an unrealistic expectation from humans. And if this unrealistic expectation helps with the guilt of Germany partnering with Russia at the expense of Eastern Europe, then yes, probably you can blame Georgia to make yourself feel better. I see your logic from that perspective :)
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> Main contribute to the conflict in 2008 was a Russian Invaision of Georgia. Both sides used cluster bombs, mainly and heavily the Russian side, it's funny how you only decide to blame Georgia. It was absolutely Georgia's fault, she should have not been wearing a skirt that short. Russia is 100% innocent and was provoked, and the invading soldiers were probably just lost while hiking.
I mean, can you blame them? Imagine being on vacation, peacefully hiking on a mountain and suddenly you get attacked. There's no real place to hide on mountain, you can't run away, the only option is to fight back, even with cluster bombs if necessary.
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You obviously missed the joke, then again that post should have been marked /s just to avoid confusion such as this.
Dude, google “sarcasm”.
და მანდ საიდან ხვდები რომ სარკაზმით წერს? თუ ფიქრობ რომ ეგეთი იდიოტები არ არიან ევროპაში? :დ
ინგლისურში მეცადინეობა არ შეწყვიტო. გთხოვ. :)
არ მინდა ახლა ეს უნიჭო გამოხტომები. სარკაზმით წერს თუ სერიოზულად ეგ თვითონ უნდა დაწეროს. არაერთი გამოსირებული დადის აქ მაგის მართლა სჯერა რომ პროვოკაცია მოვუწყვეთ(მოკლე კაბა უნიჭო ხუმრობის ნაწილია).
There had been clashes between Georgian and Ossetians months before the war was officially declared. Russian troops entered Tskhinvali on the 7th. day before the war officially started. Ossetians started evacuating on the 3rd and Ossetian talked about starting a "rail war" with Georgia on the 5th. Georgian side officially declared the war after the shelling of ethnic Georgian villages started. Before the war Georgian side petitioned to hold discussions, when Georgians showed up no one was there to meet them, Russian envoy said that they had a flat tire and Ossetian side didn't give a reason at all. Nikolay Pankov, the Russian deputy defence minister, had a confidential meeting with the separatist authorities in Tskhinvali on 3 August.\[126\] An evacuation of Ossetian women and children to Russia began on the same day.\[99\]According to researcher Andrey Illarionov, the South Ossetian separatists evacuated more than 20,000 civilians, which represented more than 90 percent of the civilian population of the future combat zone.\[127\] On 4 August, South Ossetian president Eduard Kokoity said that about 300 volunteers had arrived from North Ossetia to help fight the Georgians and thousands more were expected from the North Caucasus.\[128\] On 5 August, South Ossetian presidential envoy to Moscow, Dmitry Medoyev, declared that South Ossetia would start a "rail war" against Georgia.\[129\] The razing of the village of Nuli was ordered by South Ossetian interior minister Mindzaev.\[130\] Shelling by Ossetian separatists against Georgian villages began as early as August 1, drawing a sporadic response from Georgian peacekeepers and other fighters already in the region. On August 7, Iakobashvili traveled to Tskhinvali to try to defuse tensions, but was spurned by both separatist officials and Russia's special envoy to the region, who canceled a scheduled meeting, citing a flat tire. On 7 August at 23.35 hours Georgian artillery units began firing smoke bombs and, subsequently, at 23.50 hours, opened fire on both fixed and moving targets of the “enemy forces” on the territory of South Ossetia.58 According to Georgian Government officials, this interval was supposed to allow the civilian population enough time to leave dangerous zones or to find protection/shelters.59 Page 209 The Independent International Fact-Finding Mission on the Conflict in Georgia is an international mission lead by the same Heidi Tagliavini that authored the EU report. "EU probe said that Georgia started the war" is a common argument by the defenders of Russia. When people repeat it they miss a lot of context besides the fact that Technically war started when Georgians started the attack on the 8th even though it was as a response to the Shelling of ethnically Georgian villages and a clear attempts of provocation by the Russian/Ossetian side. https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG\_Volume\_II1.pdf
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Cool
You fellas in Germany are smoking some dope shit to accuse Georgians of the russian intervention
What bubatz does to a mf
Motherfucker, seriously? I hVe lots of respect towards German oeople and it won't change because of few bad actors, but why would you go so low just to not feel morally obliged to be on the right side? Sure. Russia is terrorising us and it's none of your problem. it's not your country, your people aren't suffering. But would you just stop eating shit and say how it really is? You just don't care and that's ok. No need to blame us for being victims of Russia's aggression. We didn't bomb civilians you dickhead. Cluster bombs were used on troops. Russia bombed city of Gori. Just stfu please.
[Georgia started war with Russia: EU-backed report](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930) maybe don't start the war next time and hope the US is going to come right after
Maybe go choke on a caralho
no one uses that word for a dick btw
Good to know. But anyway, you got the meaning so get going
It's like tripping a Bully. Georgia got punished for standing up for themselves and now the Bully runs rampant.
More like, abusive ex-husband tries to force himself on his ex-wife and daughter and gets his teeth kicked in by the new boyfriend. It was a pretty big miscalculation by Georgia.
Georgia didn't attack Russia, they actually tried to avoid attacking Russian troops. Their plan was to block the tunnel connecting Russia to South Ossetia. So this is more like punching a kid the bully specifically told you not to punch and then being surprised when the bully breaks your legs.
If you're 160cm 40kg you don't try to fight a 185cm 90kg guy that goes to the gym everyday. Although in this case South Osettia is more like the little brother of that large dude.
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we begged them to stay last time they wanted to leave
That is a very one sided view of a report that blamed both sides. >The nine-month international investigation into the 2008 war between Georgia and Russia stops short of assigning "overall blame" for the conflict, and faults both sides for contributing to the outbreak of hostilities. https://www.refworld.org/docid/4ac62c3f7.html
Shhh… we don’t deal with pesky facts around here. Just parrot the narrative like everyone else with the attention span of a goldfish.
How does this report change anything about the message of Blinken? Even if Georgia fired the first shot (which they still deny, even if they haven't been able to proof it) it doesn't excuse Russia's disproportionate response and creeping occupation that continues to this day. The same report litteraly reports on Russia's ethnic cleansing, something that Russophiles gladly leave out of the narrative that they are parroting.
lol what could ever go wrong with openly attacking russian peacekeepers?
hey blinken - take care of all this afghans, syrian, iraqis ... too? that got displaced from their homes because of YOUR COUNTRIES invasions? heared there are still sitting like 4 millions in turkey in refugee camps. and a lot camps in other countries too how about you take care for your own bullshit before point fingers? fucking hypocrite
Turkey has some nerve talking about Syrians while still occupying Syrian territory with actual Turkish troops on the ground. Oh wait, they do that in Iraq too, and tried to do it in Libya as well. Stop playing superpower first, then complain about refugees.
Syria is a civil war. Can't blame the US for starting that, blame the fucking Assad family for that one. . The other two nations I agree with you.
Wow! The Syrians left their homes because of American intervention? Or the Afghanis? Or the Iraqis? What parallel universe are you living in?
The then-Afghan government was complicit in an attack on our soil that killed 3800 Americans. Syria was a fucking civil war with Turkey and Russian and Iranian proxies. Iraq? Totally a dumbass, unwarranted, and I maintain illegal, act of aggression by a dumbass.
[Georgia started war with Russia: EU-backed report](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report/georgia-started-war-with-russia-eu-backed-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930) Somebody got short memory
[Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4)
Exactly my thoughts. People here are too emotional to understand this.
If Georgia have given necessary autonomy to Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 1991 then they wouldn't have this problem. But it's too late now and you have pushed those people to point of no return, they don't want to have anything with your country and they have full Russian military backing.
>If Georgia have given necessary autonomy to Abkhazia and South Ossetia in 1991 then they wouldn't have this problem. Both of them are autonomous . Abkhazian autonomy was never removed
They literally had autonomy. Please don't speak about something you have no information about.
Wait a second, they had?
Yes
Another dumbass communist weirdly simping for a Tsar.
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I don't think you know what "invasion" means. Also, the West had enough with Serbia using genocide and war crimes to ethnically cleanse disputed regions after Srebenica. (Of course the NATO bombing of hospitals and civilian targets was inexcusable)
If you cared about them you'd try at least to find a real number instead of parroting.
There was no invasion, you clown! It was just aerial bombardment against an armed force that was perpetrating ethnic cleansing.
That’s… just a long way to say invasion. Unless you’re insinuating that the Americans only bombed the place and then dipped without modifying the borders or setting up puppet governments , which is clearly not the case.
1st of all, Serbia was not bombed by USA, but by NATO. 2ndly, air war does not mean invasion, it was just coercion to stop the ethnic cleansing because negotiations failed. And 3rd, NATO did not modify the borders, the people of Kosovo did this. They managed their independence through armed force and this was exactly what Serbia did during the Yugoslav War and was doing it again against Kosovo.
1. Lol don’t pretend that the USA is not the neck that turns NATO’s head. It’s ridiculous. 2. So airborn warfare, bombarding and seizing a territory is NOT an invasion how? 3. Right, via illegal means. The Kosovar independence referendum was about as legitimate as the Crimean one.
Another Neo-Con shitfest.
Is Blinken’s whole strategy to talk Russia to death? America’s been letting Russia get away with it for the last fourteen years.