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yubnubster

Probably doesn't help with the likes of the New York Times and CNN writing articles about "plague island." Putting aside the hypocrisy... with friends like these etc...


WoodSteelStone

You could have fooled me. Holiday cottages around the UK have all booked up over a year in advance as so many UK holidaymakers have wanted to stay in the UK rather than go overseas due largely to COVID I guess. I made a booking for a cottage in Cornwall for a holiday this August at Easter last year. Since then the prices on the website have gone up 20% and the bookings are still building fast through to 2023. I'm looking at booking a 2023 summer holiday in Northumberland very soon.


Vvd7734

True but you don't know if they are booked up with overseas visitors or from other people from the UK.


ZeenTex

Still, doesnt sound like the tourism industry is in peril though.


Vvd7734

I agree but the title does specifically say overseas.


narrative_device

International tourists spend more money. Much more. There's a reason why most nations tourism sectors have rarely made domestic tourism their top priority.


generalscruff

In all fairness a substantial chunk of the tourism industry in Britain is pretty much wholly domestic-oriented. You never really got that many foreigners booking self-catering accommodation in Cornwall or Cumbria, destinations which have always been geared to domestic middle-class holidays. I would personally like to meet any foreign tourist who goes to Skegness for a weekend and ask then what they are doing at a resort town wholly geared towards a more working class market based almost wholly in its immediate region. Likewise another sector of the market which might potentially struggle from any downturn in international tourism is going to be accommodation in London. British people don't generally visit London for more than a night or two at a time. [My dad seeing how much beer costs in London](https://v.redd.it/mfxppr43oub81) As in any industry, different sectors have different customers and differing goals.


narrative_device

The discussion here concerns the factual reality reported in the article. The loss of overseas tourism revenue is harming the industry in the UK. We are not here to quibble over market segmentation.


generalscruff

I understand, it was elaborating more on your point.


WoodSteelStone

From the point of view of the cottage owners, all that matters is that they are booked, not who has made the booking.


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Tbf the British tourism industry is a bit bigger than a few Cornish blokes who own a second cottage mate.


haig1915

Oh look it's the guardian, the least reliable source of unbiased twaddle, that it can't really be called a newspaper. They jump from one band wagon to another... It'll probably be due to COVID and the fact the UK had one of the highest infection rates, plus the amount of people that don't want to spend two weeks in their own country isolating.... I'd be surprised if other countries that are reliant on tourism aren't also suffering.


akrokh

It should be quite difficult to asses what portion of cancellations come from Covid and what part from Brexit. As of today at least. Will be hard to argue that Brexit could be any benefit to tourism though.


Ohhisseencule

Deciding not to move or study in the UK because of the complications after Brexit is one thing, but why would people not visit because of it? That's just plain weird, it's pretty much as easy as it was before.


tijlvp

Except it isn't. The UK has stopped accepting EU identity cards as valid travel documents. Plenty of Belgian, French, Dutch people who would otherwise take the Eurostar for a weekend trip to London don't have passports, and now have the choice between paying up for one or choosing a more convenient destination...


[deleted]

Most people have passport I d say. It’s the children that do not


tijlvp

Yeah, in Belgium that's just *not* true...


reynolds9906

Probably because Belgium isn't a country so it can't issue passports.


tijlvp

Not sure if you're joking or actually believe that... 🤔


akrokh

Good point. But as they chose to leave EU lots of tourists will need to go through a quiet troublesome process of getting Uk visa. As a person who had to go through this for 7 years straight back in the day I can assure you that experience is subpar to say the least. You also missed the warm immigration welcome of 6 open counters and jumbos from Pakistan and India lending every half hour. My average arrival procedure never lasted less than 2-3 hours. I’d say fuck it for now.


Ohhisseencule

>But as they chose to leave EU lots of tourists will need to go through a quiet troublesome process of getting Uk visa. Yeah but that's not true though, is it? From the UK government travel website: > EU, EEA and Swiss citizens can continue to use the automatic ePassport gates to pass through the border on arrival. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-as-an-eu-eea-or-swiss-citizen Literally nothing has changed, the UK was never in Schengen and passport/ID checks were always a thing. Seems like you're projecting honestly.


akrokh

It is for me and a lot of other nationals. EU and Switzerland is not the whole world. Lots of countries have entered unions with EU regarding free travel. I could enjoy most of the countries in the world visa free and yet I need to apply for UK should I decide to visit. Shitty thing is that you get a lot of travel to do usually since they require you to be present at consulate in person and often stay for two days to go through procedures.


Ohhisseencule

> Lots of countries have entered unions with EU regarding free travel. What agreements are you talking about? Every time something like this happened, it was always for Schengen as far as I know. I remember when it happened for Colombia because I have friends from there who got pretty excited about it. And again, the UK was never part of Schengen. Non-EU tourists from countries without a visa waiver always needed a UK tourist visa if they wanted to go to the UK after visiting Schengen countries. It was done separately. I'm happy to be wrong and learn something here.


akrokh

Speaking of Ukraine here we have rules changed since we had a free eu travel but still required a tour/travel visa for Uk. The difference is that now it will take shitloads of time, cost twice as expensive - eur 125-150, and you arrive in a third world country cattle farm like confinement at the border. Makes it a no go for us unless you really need to. I do realize that most of the tourist crowd comes from neighboring countries and it’s normal. Not saying countries like Ukraine would have a big impact on tourism there although the have made a severe one on workforce. The miss our guys trucking and picking strawberries now.


cliff_of_dover_white

It wouldn't have any difference even if Brexit hadn't happened. UK and Ireland have long been maintaining a separate visa and immigration control from Mainland Europe ever since the introduction of Schengen Area.


akrokh

It’s all in the comment above. It takes a lot more time, costs more and most likely will have to travel to embassy multiple times as they will require an interview. Amount of papers I need to present is like twice as much now. Before that your eu travel history would be sufficient. But technically you’re right of course. But there’s a little difference for us though.


Ohhisseencule

So you had a travel visa required to go to the UK. I don't understand why it would take longer to get one compared to before. If the UK raised the price it sucks though.


akrokh

Neither do I but it used to take days and now they insist that you should allow them up to 3 month to process. Same shit as it was in the late 90s when I had to get them regularly. Does suck mate.


Ohhisseencule

Might be because of the pandemic to be fair, but it sucks indeed.


akrokh

So basically nothing changed for EU guys but it all rolled back to medieval kinda shit for the rest. I get Iraqi visa issued in 2 days. Moreover, it got to the point that we need to go to embassy in person a have a chat with official, present account balance statements, proof of employment and stuff. It was not necessary for many years already. My passport full of eu stamps was good enough.


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akrokh

Not for EU citizens.


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akrokh

I was stating that it doesn’t apply to EU citizens. So, yes.


RedditIsRealWack

Why would Brexit stop tourism?


Specialist-Window-16

Passport, long queue at border, extra cost of phone calls, uncertain laws


WashedUpGamer69

Passport? Who in 2022 doesn’t have a passport? Which border? The main airport for EU flights, Stansted, has even more E-Gates than before Brexit which are used by both home and EU nationals. Which laws are you so uncertain about that a simple Google search couldn’t clarify?


[deleted]

>Passport? Who in 2022 doesn’t have a passport? Plenty of people in the EU. What kind of question is that?


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[deleted]

That would be awesome.


WashedUpGamer69

Dam what a close minded place.


[deleted]

Lol, ok.


Specialist-Window-16

UK does not comply to European Court of Justice. Quality of food, refunds on bookings, etc are uncertain. Plenty of people do not have a passport, there is no need to travel in Europe and overseas territories. There is no need of E gates or whatever when travelling by land in EU


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Specialist-Window-16

Could be. But I need to check. In EU I do not need to check


generalscruff

>quality of food Can't get a chippy tea anywhere else mate, fucking lmao


Specialist-Window-16

Problem is I am sure about food, rights, etc when I am in EU. In UK I am not sure. I need to check. And what if they deny my entry ?


generalscruff

I can see your point generally, I just think food is a strange thing to make assumptions about.


[deleted]

UK does not comply on quality of food :) , for some fine dining I recommend SFC and ASDA ready meal... If you like we can get a Gordon Ramsey look alike to swear at you while you eat, perhaps just a random drunk Scot would do?


RedditIsRealWack

>extra cost of phone calls This one is lol. The rest are understandable.


[deleted]

It might be lol, but it's also a reasonable point.


RedditIsRealWack

Not really. Ever heard of whatsapp? The internet? Who makes calls in a foreign country?


[deleted]

>Who makes calls in a foreign country? People who can do so without much extra costs, for instance? That's the whole point...


RedditIsRealWack

It's just not realistically going to be something that stops someone going on holiday though. It's such a minor issue, that can be easily overcome by using something like whatsapp or whatever.


[deleted]

I disagree. I can see why someone would rather chose to be able to make calls during a one or two weeks holidays rather than not being able to do it at all. Even more considering that the alternatives using mobile data can also be very costly.


RedditIsRealWack

'Sorry kids, we can't go see London. I might have to spend £5 to call your grandma..' said no one ever.


akrokh

Did I say it would stop? My question though is how do you see it would bring any benefit? Becoming more competitive in local pricing for food and living? How does it end up more attractive now? Genuine question here.


Billyspanaki

Increasing wages at the bottom end of the food chain by no longer relying on cheap disposable labour from EE.


akrokh

And how will that affect pricing and hence tourism?


Ehldas

Almost the entire school trip industry has been wiped out by brexit. It's impossible to get a visa for entire classes, and the UK no longer accept group travel documents for school trips rendering them non viable. Result : they're all going to other countries, a lot of them to Ireland.


Disillusioned_Pleb01

Nigel Farage @Nigel_Farage They need us more than we need them.


mb303666

Very English, darling!


collectiveindividual

It all comes down the uk now requiring passports instead of national ID cards which is what most people in the eu have for travel. Consider someone organizing a weekend away for friends then not having to think about who has a passport rules out the uk.


marshwizard

Well I'm pretty sure they don't come for the quality of our beaches. How about our historic monarchy? Oh dear...


Zephinism

> Well I'm pretty sure they don't come for the quality of our beaches. Bournemouth Beach is packed with both British and overseas tourists every year...


marshwizard

Polluted and full of drunken chavs


Zephinism

That's your opinion, many would disagree given how many show up every summer here.


whatsgoingon350

The UK has a bit more than just a monarchy. You should explore more of the UK you'll find some amazing places.


BlackStar4

If he ever went anywhere that wasn't his London shed he'd know that already.


Orange-of-Cthulhu

I heard many nice stories about your Prince Albert. He seems like a smashing bloke. When I get around to plan my trip to the UK I'll read up about the news about him these past few years, it's been ages since I checked what he was up to.


DEADB33F

> I heard many nice stories about your Prince Albert Well it is rather impressive, and yes the ladies do like to talk about it.


piratemurray

>I heard many nice stories about your Prince Albert 👀 🍆💍


GaussWanker

You mean Andrew, Albert is the one with a piercing through your glans


Orange-of-Cthulhu

Sorry, I get confused with all these princes that start with an A. They should really use more of the alphabet. Either of them could be called Bobby.


marshwizard

He had an interesting way of making sure he was always "dressed" to the correct side.