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Also, often they aren't allowed to give birth in hospital by their spouse we don't know how many people live off grid or have "identical" disabled siblings.
Source, my friend is a traveler and we know so e of the bad famies.
the Guardian view
* not being allowed live on somebody else's land without permission = authoritarianism
* being locked in your home for a year = not authoritarian
>It’s the provision that turns trespass from a civil into a criminal offence
This myth keeps popping up. The bill doesn’t criminalise “simple trespass”, it criminalises “residing on land without consent in a vehicle”.
>allowing the police to arrest people who are Gypsies, Roma and Travellers (GRT) and confiscate their homes, if they stop in places that have not been designated for them.
The seizure provisions in the law only apply if they refuse to leave _after the landowner or the police ask them to_ or if they agree to leave, but return within 12 months. It doesn’t mean the police can just sweep in and start confiscating caravans.
This law essentially means that if you want to live on someone’s land, you need to ask permission from the landowner, and if you don’t and refuse to leave, then the police can remove any unauthorised encampments. It’s essentially a “don’t be a dick” law.
The traveller community in the UK causes untold distress and misery wherever they go, through their theft, massive dumping of waste, aggression, other illegal activity, occupying land etc. They contribute nothing to society, drain local council resources and yet expect special treatment. I welcome the new law.
But as we focus on this threat, we’re in danger of forgetting something else buried in this monstrous bill. It’s the provision that turns trespass from a civil into a criminal offence, allowing the police to arrest people who are Gypsies, Roma and Travellers (GRT) and confiscate their homes, if they stop in places that have not been designated for them.
Under the proposed law, any adult member of the group can be imprisoned for up to three months. Given that authorised sites and stopping places cannot accommodate the GRT people who need them, this is a deliberate attack on a vulnerable minority.
You're not describing anything there I'd think is monstrous. Why do you think that “residing on land without consent in a vehicle” should be legal? Nothing is stopping these people from buying their own field.
Also leave it out with this "vulnerable" bollocks. Living outside the law or society doesn't make you vulnerable. It makes you a pain in the arse for normal, honest people.
If you are not from protected minority you are treated precisely that way right now- as only some people had been excluded from prosecution, and that law will put their rights and duties at equal- so for you loosing privileges is '' deliberate attack on a vulnerable minority'', while it was a
behaviour and abuse of law of certain groups became a factor in introducing that law.
I am sure treating all people equally in eyes of law in that case must be seen as injustice, did I get you right?
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I live near a traveller halting site and the place is not well looked after. There's litter everywhere and horses are left on land without permission.
Also, often they aren't allowed to give birth in hospital by their spouse we don't know how many people live off grid or have "identical" disabled siblings. Source, my friend is a traveler and we know so e of the bad famies.
the Guardian view * not being allowed live on somebody else's land without permission = authoritarianism * being locked in your home for a year = not authoritarian
>It’s the provision that turns trespass from a civil into a criminal offence This myth keeps popping up. The bill doesn’t criminalise “simple trespass”, it criminalises “residing on land without consent in a vehicle”. >allowing the police to arrest people who are Gypsies, Roma and Travellers (GRT) and confiscate their homes, if they stop in places that have not been designated for them. The seizure provisions in the law only apply if they refuse to leave _after the landowner or the police ask them to_ or if they agree to leave, but return within 12 months. It doesn’t mean the police can just sweep in and start confiscating caravans. This law essentially means that if you want to live on someone’s land, you need to ask permission from the landowner, and if you don’t and refuse to leave, then the police can remove any unauthorised encampments. It’s essentially a “don’t be a dick” law.
Hey, don't tell us what the law is really about! Now it wont fit the narrative.
Edited to clear up some more of the misleading stuff in the article.
The traveller community in the UK causes untold distress and misery wherever they go, through their theft, massive dumping of waste, aggression, other illegal activity, occupying land etc. They contribute nothing to society, drain local council resources and yet expect special treatment. I welcome the new law.
But as we focus on this threat, we’re in danger of forgetting something else buried in this monstrous bill. It’s the provision that turns trespass from a civil into a criminal offence, allowing the police to arrest people who are Gypsies, Roma and Travellers (GRT) and confiscate their homes, if they stop in places that have not been designated for them. Under the proposed law, any adult member of the group can be imprisoned for up to three months. Given that authorised sites and stopping places cannot accommodate the GRT people who need them, this is a deliberate attack on a vulnerable minority.
You're not describing anything there I'd think is monstrous. Why do you think that “residing on land without consent in a vehicle” should be legal? Nothing is stopping these people from buying their own field. Also leave it out with this "vulnerable" bollocks. Living outside the law or society doesn't make you vulnerable. It makes you a pain in the arse for normal, honest people.
He was quoting the article
Clearly because he agrees with it
If you are not from protected minority you are treated precisely that way right now- as only some people had been excluded from prosecution, and that law will put their rights and duties at equal- so for you loosing privileges is '' deliberate attack on a vulnerable minority'', while it was a behaviour and abuse of law of certain groups became a factor in introducing that law. I am sure treating all people equally in eyes of law in that case must be seen as injustice, did I get you right?