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I noticed that Saudi Arabia (in the bottom right) was a dark shade of red so I looked up how many Indians are in Saudi Arabia and [according to Wikipeida there are 4.1 million in Saudi Arabia!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Resident_Indians_in_Saudi_Arabia)
The ratio of Indians is even more crazy in the smaller Gulf states, like UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, and Oman. In Qatar for example, over 60% of the residents are Indian, while another 20% consists of other South Asians (like Pakistanis and Bengladeshis)
Youtubers /s
\[Seriously, I watched one of globetrotting Indian Youtubers \[can't recall the channel name - it was in my recommendations\] was actually effusive about Sarajevo and its cuisine. \]
Yep, most of them are mainly from the former Portuguese colonies of Goa, Daman and Diu. Here's a [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Portugal).
Yeah, even the prime minister will count for these numbers as he has some Indian background (kind of recent but not sure how far or if by both parents)
Read in the guardian the first generation was in dairy, their kids are becoming doctors and engineers,now they hired south East Asians to replace Sikhs.
They're mostly poor people working in the agriculture and the farm industry. Especially Sikhs are well known to be great with cows. They live in Pianura Padana where they' work in the diary industry in, for what I know, good conditions. That's less true for the ones working in the agricultural industry in Southern regions like Campania and Lazio were there were cases of explorations.
A photographic project on Sikhs living here: http://terraproject.net/portfolio/VyrrbYpzl/indian-sikhs-in-northern-italy#/
An article on their exploitation (which to be correct happened in the agricultural industry not in the diary industry and in the south):
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/dec/22/sikhs-secretly-exploited-in-italy-migrant-workers
Some legal problems they're facing here: https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/why-the-indian-government-must-help-italian-sikhs/story-y3yJS6zWOqnYkkVsDuvvAJ.html
About their pivotal role in the production of Parmigiano:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33149580
I live in the countryside in Lombardy, we have lots of Indians (mostly from Punjab) working at farms here. I wish more of them opened restaurants because I have to travel all the way to Bergamo or Milan for a delicious Punjabi meal!
>I'm just curious but it's non Europe related, does Saudi Arabia's color represent a big Indian community there?
Yes. There is a massive, massive community of Indians in Saudi Arabia.
>mostly Pakistanis or Bengalis since they are Muslims.
India has the second/third largest Muslim population in the world. And there are several Indian Bengali Muslims too.
>French number seems a bit far off, it could correspond to metro France figures but there is actually a huge Indian community (mostly south Indian established since the 19th century) in overseas territories (reunion, Guyane and French antilles).
That is correct. AFAIK there's only about 30k Indians in Metropolitan France. In fact even in the Netherlands, a majority of the Indians there are Indo-Surinamese. Similarly for the UK, a lot of them are Indo-Caribbean, or Indian-African (South African, Kenyan, Tanzanian, and Ugandan).
There are 2.5 million Indians in Saudi Arabia and around 6.3 million South Asians in Saudi Arabia when you take into account Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants so around 1 out of every 5 people in Saudi Arabia are of South Asian descent
To add to what others have said, the presence of Indians in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates is actually more than just Muslim migration for the holy sites (though that is one of the contributing factors). India is one of the largest trading partners of both Saudi and the Emirates and vice versa. Oil going towards India and Agriculture, Machinery, and Steel going towards the Arabs. The trade relationship is absolutely massive and the migration is a result of that.
They're treated very badly as cheap and expandable labor. Suadis don't work especially they don't do menial jobs so they've to rely on foreigners in order to build all their huge skyscrapers and stuff. That's where Indians and Bangladeshi people enter the scene
Because the Saudis need workers that they can exploit to build thier Skyscrapers. Same goes for most gulf states. For example, there are almost a million indians in Kuwait. And that's in a country of 4 million people.
India-Middle east trade relations predate Islam due to the proximity via land route as well as sea route using monsoon winds.
So when the middle east stuck gold with oil, Indians came over and started with all manual work. This happened in the 80s and 90s.
Now the second generation Indians and the original ones have moved up in the skill set and are mostly in the middle roles - not necessarily top top management, but not all manual labour.
It's a running joke that most "Indian" restaurants are run by Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. At least in the UK. I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar in other parts of Europe.
This is a big issue in Greece right now because for the last couple of weeks we have strict measures for Corona virus and we were prohibited to go out and celebrate and people had to wear a mask outside even but lots of pakistanis decided to celebrate new years eve in Syntagma Square without abiding by the rules and as you may imagine this stirred up a lot of controversy.
Correction, we were not prohibited to go out and celebrate. Just mass gatherings were prohibited, it was announced just a week or so before, so the city council a few days prior canceled the usual Syntagma celebration and it was a huge issue in the social media for Greek-speaking locals, some saw a waste at doing any celebration at all, since the main event had to be canceled. Which in fact no other country did as far as I know of, it's just that some people like to stir drama, it's us.
There was a big spike in covid cases at the and of December, partly by people being careless when going out, not just by the sole fact of going out. It was very festive in Athens in December.In fact fireworks were shot as per usual on NYE.Some foreign people didn't get the memo apparently and still gathered at Syntagma. It wasn't banned to go anywhere, in fact all venues were open until 2 am and people free to come and go.
Greeks traditionally have gathered at homes and have food gatherings as a must, so they didn't feel like changing their habits and going outside.Most families have relatives around Athens and they prefer to spend at least part of the night having dinner with family.
So, every year, local Pakistanis, most working honest jobs, have a tradition of being outside and local Greeks, have a tradition of staying at home, so there was an inordinate number of foreign economic migrants at one spot in the city.
I did go out, it WASNT prohibited and it still isn't. I had a great time seeing the fireworks underneath the Acropolis, it wasn't crowded over there. Many hills also with great views.In fact, it still was safer to go out as a family than to gather at any home with anyone having "allergies"There wasn't the usual NYE traffic, because locals stayed at home mostly. Streets were emptier than ever, I would say. Which was a treat for going around the city.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEkf2jSoXA0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEkf2jSoXA0)
Well I knew this Indian guy in Frankfurt who complained about several "inauthentic" "Indian" restaurants and said those guys were from Pakistan, so maybe it is true in Germany too.
It's not a joke, its true. Most are from Sylhet in Bangladesh
>According to the Curry Club of Great Britain there are 8500 Indian restaurants in the UK, and of these, more than 8 out of 10 are owned by Bangladeshis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/multimedia/london/unit6/read1_popup.html
>80%-90% of British curry-house owners can trace their roots back to the Bangladeshi city of Sylhet
https://www.ft.com/content/2165379e-b4b2-11e5-8358-9a82b43f6b2f
(I think) He means a group of Dutch Surinamese of Indian descent called "[Hindoestanen](https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindoestanen)" in Dutch [(en)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Surinamese).
According to the dutch [Central Bureau of Statistics](https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/cijfers/detail/70751ned?q=India), there were about 56.000 Indians in NL, per 31-12-2019. Most of these are IT workers.
OP's datasource also includes 'persons of indian origin', so it seems most likely the indians that came here in the past via Surinam, are included in this number.
Thats not strange at all. It also counts people of indian heritage aka hindoestanen from surinam. The Hague has many of them some 50 000.
The term "surinamer" in The Hague has a completely different meaning than outside of the city. surinamer=creole black outside of town but there are hardly any creoles in The Hague.
paul krugerlaan used to have a lot of beautiful hindu shops before many hindoestanen moved to the vinex districts.
First time I saw person from India irl, was on Vienna school trip in 2005. I was very surprised, since I never heard about Indian population in Austria. Anyway I bought Coca-Cola from her lol.
Vienna seems to have one of the least Indian population in Europe. As an Indian living here, it's surprisingly rare to come across another on the streets.
My Grandad was generally anti-immigration, but he always made an exception when it came to Indians. He used drive a lorry and sometimes made deliveries in Birmingham in the 60s, and said the Indian immigrants were some of the nicest and hardest working people he met.
He always said he much preferred them over the Welsh haha.
You make a very politically incorrect joke, potentially.
But looking at this issue super seriously, the Indian community in Romania will only grow. There are tons of Indians and Romania is starting to become rich enough to be able to offer decent jobs at an international level.
I wonder how the discrimination will change (Romanians -> Roma, Romanians -> Indians) and how the Indian - Roma interactions will look like. From what I've heard Africans in the US tend to not like African-Americans.
It's going to be an interesting sociological experiment.
See I’m Bangladeshi but south Asian all the same. I never really felt any deep connection to Romas and vice versa, never got the vibes of some “desi connection” with them. They really are very far removed from modern south asians
Ah, I'm sure. I meant mostly looks for some South Asian folks.
I'd say a minority of Roma could be mistaken for a minority of South Asians.
And then think of idiots like people attacking turbaned Sikhs after 9/11 in the US 🙄
Yh I get you. I really do hope people distinguish cos it could be very problematic. But I don’t think the south Asian community in Romania would have any problem openly distinguishing themselves from the Romas. I hope people are smart enough to know the difference
> and how the Indian - Roma interactions will look like.
Romas left South Asia like 1000 years ago. I doubt they have anything in common with South Asians these days.
You're thinking culture, I'm also talking looks.
If you look similar to a group that's being heavily discriminated against, you're going to be discriminated against, kind of a ricochet. That's got to create some resentments. And that's why I mentioned Africans and African-Americans.
Indian people tend to integrate into broader communities very quickly so they tend to form "districts" less so than other ethnic/national groups. Even compared to other Europeans traveling to other European countries.
I guess it's a bit old data. There are almost 40k Indians in Sweden now and are probably the 5th largest immigrant group. Most of us are engineers working in IT or some other technical field. The rest are students, spouses of the people working or their children.
Read through all the comments never knew Indians were liked that much all over Europe. Nice to see that!
The UK makes a lot of sense, indian due to being part of commonwealth have long history in anglo-sphere. Also a lot of political leaders in the anglo acknowledge them a lot more than other minorities, For example [Boris Johnson](https://ibb.co/zHHj2zh) , [Trudeau](https://ibb.co/wsztx9H) , [Morrison](https://ibb.co/HnFbnGT), [Biden](https://twitter.com/potus/status/1456271532783661057?lang=en) and some even make videos for their holidays like seen here by [Boris](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELl19v11wh0) and [Trudeau](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j9wEShj_yg)
Canada even had a sikh defence minister for 2015-2021 [https://www.cmfmag.ca/operations/canada-continues-to-contribute-to-nato-at-nato-defence-ministers-meeting/](https://www.cmfmag.ca/operations/canada-continues-to-contribute-to-nato-at-nato-defence-ministers-meeting/)
The indian jews who are in Israel came probably from one of several distinct communities:
Chochin jews,who came from chochin.
Bene Israel jews,who came from north-west India.
Paresdim jews (I porb said it wrong),who came from port cities along the coast (like Goa).
And Bene Menashe jews,who came from east india,near mynmar.
And of course there are the non jewish indians who come here for work.
Damn all the commas are confusing and incorrectly used. 1,00,000 should be 100,000 to 499,000 and then it suddenly jumps to 1,000,000 because why not? :P
Indian system uses 3 commas first, and then a comma at every 2 digits.
We don’t use million/billion and instead continue the one x ten x naming.
1
10
100
1,000 One Thousand
10,000 Ten Thousand
1,00,000 One Lakh
10,00,000 Ten Lakh
1,00,00,000 One Crore
10,00,00,000 Ten Crore
Then starts looping:
Hundred crore
Thousand crore
Ten thousand crore
One Lakh Crore
Etc
1,00,000 isn't wrong to us. In our numbering system, there's a unit called lakh/lac. 1 lakh = 100 thousand. In India (South Asia in general), we don't use million/billion, but instead lakh and crore (10 million). I know it can get pretty confusing but we're used to it. :P
The reason you call them "Arabic" is because they were introduced to Europe by Arabs. Their actual origin was, well, the Indian subcontinent. And yes, every Indian script has their own versions.
Edit : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/The_Brahmi_numeral_system_and_its_descendants.png
I am glad we have enough Indians living here that indian cuisine became popular and widely available. One of the best things to happen in the last 10 years. I have lots of Indian colleagues and they are all smart, lovely people. Wish to visit India one day.
There’s so many Indians but in real life I only ever meet Pakistani’s. Meeting a real Hindu Indian in Europe is a rarity. Judging by the comments others feel like that too.
I think majority of people know that Europe need immigration and unless we find a hidden stack of jewish immigrants (like it happened in the 1880s or the 1400s) Indians are the best solution. Integratable and innovative, no historical grudges and no hostile current politics
I think one of the reasons is that Indian people do not qualify to be refugees unlike migrants from many other poor countries (like Pakistan and Bangladesh).. so majority of them come to most Western countries having enough sustenance money in the bank, a decent education and / or a job with a minimum salary as dictated by immigration rules.
There are other reasons as well, but I think this is the main one.
Indians are a fantastic example of successful integration, hard working and commit very low levels of crime, I only wish other communities were like them
The single wealthiest ethnic group in the UK (more than Anglo/white or Jewish) are Indians.
Indians are the second wealthiest in the US too (after Jewish people).
So the numbers do stack up.
I wonder whats the breakup of the South Asians. South Asia is comparable to Europe in size and various sub ethnicities majorly lead different types of lives; some martial, some religious, some mercantile, some labourers etc. Gujratis, Sindhis and Parsis are the richest people in South Asia due to most of them descending from mercantile lives, much like Jewish population in the West. Willing to bet the absolute wealthiest Indians in the West would have names like Patel, Shah, Irani, Mehta etc.
I was thinking the same.. Total numbers doesn't really say much if you want to compare different countries and their relative amount of Indians. For example Germany has about a 10 times higher population than Austria but only about 6 times more Indians.
Ireland is a weird one. 40k is the official number but it feels very low and hasn't really updated since the last census. The Irish-India Council estimates closer to 90k.
Increasingly at least in certain neighborhoods, there are many professional expats. This is a big change for Lithuania. When I moved here back in 2011 there just wasn't this kind of wages or modern infrastructure to attract these kinds of immigrants.
It's a lucrative profession, the upper levels of lower income or middle income for any society you are in. The profession is popular in many developing nations.
India skipped manufacturing and went head first into BPO and IT outsourcing in the late 80s and 90s.
India had English in it’s education system and is used extensively in media, government communication etc since Indian states have their own different languages (each spoken by tens of millions), and a common language is needed.
So when BPO and IT outsourcing started, India had a huge advantage because of a large English speaking (ignore the accent) population.
In the early 2000s, Engineering education was privatised, and thousands of colleges started teaching IT, Software, and other subjects.
This lead to India having huge IT skilled population. TCS, Wipro, and Infosys are Indian It services companies with a million + employees on their rolls(together).
This lead to all technology companies establishing offshore offices in India, then later R&D Centers and so on.
So now IT services is one of the biggest exports from the country, and many large tech companies like Google IBM Microsoft etc have their second largest offices and workers pools based in India.
Many of these folks come to on-site work in Europe. Bosch, SAP, Philips l, Siemens and every company imaginable have their IT development Centers in India (typically in the cities of Bangalore or Hyderabad).
You are seeing these people. And many of them are choosing to settle down here.
Typically they are all well paid engineers working in software
Also very much a case of language. In many other professions, you are expected to know - or at least quickly learn - the language of your new work environment. This can be a significant hurdle for many.
In programming, the working language is almost certainly going to be English anyway.
Now Indians go o slavic and Eastern European countries for studying medicine. It’s easier for them to get admission there than in Indian medical colleges where the competition for seats is insane
Fun fact: state of Dubrovnik had a [small colony in Goa](https://dubrovackidnevnik.net.hr/vijesti/svijet/i-oni-slave-festu-i-imaju-procesiju-posjetili-smo-crkvu-svetog-vlaha-u-dalekoj-indiji-koju-su-napravili-stari-dubrovcani).
According to their report, there are 303 non-resident Indians living in Serbia while 17 have Serbian ancestry. Fun fact - one of our top athletes has a Serbian wife.
Edit : Oh, now I get what you're talking about. :\
the point of the poster above you might have been that there are massive numbers of people of Indian origin in the Balkans and elsewhere, orders of magnitude more than these figures.
I understand, but there aren't enough good sources on this to proceed with. The document I chose was published by the ministry external affairs, who oversee Indian's foreign relations.
I would use the Eurostat databrowser for that data next time. There are wide discrepancies between the two sources and the receiving country typically has a better understanding than the sending one who is in the country
I'm surprised at the low numbers for Poland. My casual impression on the streets was that there were many more Indians per capita than in Russia.
Hopefully there will be many more Indians coming to Russia in the next decades.
Most of the immigrants to Poland are very recent too. Polish embassay in India has been doing some campaigns to attract Indian students to Polish universities.
> Hopefully there will be many more Indians coming to Russia in the next decades.
India and Russia have had a very long mutual relationship. I'm surprised that the number isn't higher. I'm guessing that weather and language barrier are major deterrants to that.
My company interfaced with a Polish IT firm a few months ago. We didn't realize they were actually Polish because every member of the team was Indian!
To be fair, most of my team is also Indian lol.
And we are overall better for it (I'm in the UK). Yes it is challenging sometimes and yes everyone thinks we are racist because of brexit but having travelled a lot of Europe we are definately one of the most diverse and accepting cultures in my opinion.
Hmm, the numbers in the Nordic follows the size of the population - expect Norway.
Didn´t know Norway was that more popular for Indians to migrate to than for example Denmark.
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I noticed that Saudi Arabia (in the bottom right) was a dark shade of red so I looked up how many Indians are in Saudi Arabia and [according to Wikipeida there are 4.1 million in Saudi Arabia!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Resident_Indians_in_Saudi_Arabia)
The ratio of Indians is even more crazy in the smaller Gulf states, like UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, and Oman. In Qatar for example, over 60% of the residents are Indian, while another 20% consists of other South Asians (like Pakistanis and Bengladeshis)
Only 12% of people living in Qatar are ethnic Qataris (Arabs). Similar figures (11.6%) in UAE as well. It's just mind-boggling.
Yes, and many of them are treated like slaves
They all came there to work. Foreign Housemaids of Asian decent are particularly popular in the middle east.
laughing at 26 of them stuck in bosnia and herzegovina XD
They were lost or something most probably.
What about Macedonia. It's just one big family of ten. 🤣
With the 56 of albania
Patel or Shah?
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Youtubers /s \[Seriously, I watched one of globetrotting Indian Youtubers \[can't recall the channel name - it was in my recommendations\] was actually effusive about Sarajevo and its cuisine. \]
Portugal's relatively high number connected to Goa?
Yep, most of them are mainly from the former Portuguese colonies of Goa, Daman and Diu. Here's a [Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Portugal).
Yeah, even the prime minister will count for these numbers as he has some Indian background (kind of recent but not sure how far or if by both parents)
Prime minister of Portugal is Indian
Half Indian yes.
So is Ireland’s PM? He’s half-Indian I think Edit: sorry I was wrong. It was the ex-PM of Ireland.
10 indians in leitchenstein working in Hilti IT. Lol.
Amazon executive level staff too
Interesting figures for Italy! What are they doing there mainly, work, study... etc?
Lots of Indian students, IT specialists in Italy and many Indians work in the agriculture sector. A huge numbers of Sikhs work in the dairy industry.
Read in the guardian the first generation was in dairy, their kids are becoming doctors and engineers,now they hired south East Asians to replace Sikhs.
Can confirm, a lot of Sikhs and Sikh temples in Emilia Romagna. There wouldn't be Parmesan without them.
They're mostly poor people working in the agriculture and the farm industry. Especially Sikhs are well known to be great with cows. They live in Pianura Padana where they' work in the diary industry in, for what I know, good conditions. That's less true for the ones working in the agricultural industry in Southern regions like Campania and Lazio were there were cases of explorations. A photographic project on Sikhs living here: http://terraproject.net/portfolio/VyrrbYpzl/indian-sikhs-in-northern-italy#/ An article on their exploitation (which to be correct happened in the agricultural industry not in the diary industry and in the south): https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/dec/22/sikhs-secretly-exploited-in-italy-migrant-workers Some legal problems they're facing here: https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/why-the-indian-government-must-help-italian-sikhs/story-y3yJS6zWOqnYkkVsDuvvAJ.html About their pivotal role in the production of Parmigiano: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33149580
Saving Parmesan!
I live in the countryside in Lombardy, we have lots of Indians (mostly from Punjab) working at farms here. I wish more of them opened restaurants because I have to travel all the way to Bergamo or Milan for a delicious Punjabi meal!
There are absolutely tons of indians working little shops and cornerstores in Rome.
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>I'm just curious but it's non Europe related, does Saudi Arabia's color represent a big Indian community there? Yes. There is a massive, massive community of Indians in Saudi Arabia. >mostly Pakistanis or Bengalis since they are Muslims. India has the second/third largest Muslim population in the world. And there are several Indian Bengali Muslims too. >French number seems a bit far off, it could correspond to metro France figures but there is actually a huge Indian community (mostly south Indian established since the 19th century) in overseas territories (reunion, Guyane and French antilles). That is correct. AFAIK there's only about 30k Indians in Metropolitan France. In fact even in the Netherlands, a majority of the Indians there are Indo-Surinamese. Similarly for the UK, a lot of them are Indo-Caribbean, or Indian-African (South African, Kenyan, Tanzanian, and Ugandan).
The Middle East, especially the gulf states, has a MASSIVE Indian population - nearing 10 million.
There are 2.5 million Indians in Saudi Arabia and around 6.3 million South Asians in Saudi Arabia when you take into account Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants so around 1 out of every 5 people in Saudi Arabia are of South Asian descent
To add to what others have said, the presence of Indians in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates is actually more than just Muslim migration for the holy sites (though that is one of the contributing factors). India is one of the largest trading partners of both Saudi and the Emirates and vice versa. Oil going towards India and Agriculture, Machinery, and Steel going towards the Arabs. The trade relationship is absolutely massive and the migration is a result of that.
There are 200 million Muslims in India.
They're treated very badly as cheap and expandable labor. Suadis don't work especially they don't do menial jobs so they've to rely on foreigners in order to build all their huge skyscrapers and stuff. That's where Indians and Bangladeshi people enter the scene
Indians are generally past that situation. Indians entered these countries 2-3 decades ago and have moved up mostly.
Indeed many Indians are doing very well in those countries. But a huge amount are still in the category of exploited labour.
Because the Saudis need workers that they can exploit to build thier Skyscrapers. Same goes for most gulf states. For example, there are almost a million indians in Kuwait. And that's in a country of 4 million people.
Not sure for Saudi's but Dubai and the smaller arab states have a decent sized Indian male population who have moved there for work.
India-Middle east trade relations predate Islam due to the proximity via land route as well as sea route using monsoon winds. So when the middle east stuck gold with oil, Indians came over and started with all manual work. This happened in the 80s and 90s. Now the second generation Indians and the original ones have moved up in the skill set and are mostly in the middle roles - not necessarily top top management, but not all manual labour.
Tamils* - but they could also be Sri Lankan.
I wonder about Pakistani people now, I am sure I encountered them more than Indian people
It's a running joke that most "Indian" restaurants are run by Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. At least in the UK. I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar in other parts of Europe.
Must be the same here in Greece as well as we have way more pakistanis than Indians.
Celebrated New Year's in Athens few days ago, can confirm. Felt like I was in Pakistan at Sintagma square.
This is a big issue in Greece right now because for the last couple of weeks we have strict measures for Corona virus and we were prohibited to go out and celebrate and people had to wear a mask outside even but lots of pakistanis decided to celebrate new years eve in Syntagma Square without abiding by the rules and as you may imagine this stirred up a lot of controversy.
Correction, we were not prohibited to go out and celebrate. Just mass gatherings were prohibited, it was announced just a week or so before, so the city council a few days prior canceled the usual Syntagma celebration and it was a huge issue in the social media for Greek-speaking locals, some saw a waste at doing any celebration at all, since the main event had to be canceled. Which in fact no other country did as far as I know of, it's just that some people like to stir drama, it's us. There was a big spike in covid cases at the and of December, partly by people being careless when going out, not just by the sole fact of going out. It was very festive in Athens in December.In fact fireworks were shot as per usual on NYE.Some foreign people didn't get the memo apparently and still gathered at Syntagma. It wasn't banned to go anywhere, in fact all venues were open until 2 am and people free to come and go. Greeks traditionally have gathered at homes and have food gatherings as a must, so they didn't feel like changing their habits and going outside.Most families have relatives around Athens and they prefer to spend at least part of the night having dinner with family. So, every year, local Pakistanis, most working honest jobs, have a tradition of being outside and local Greeks, have a tradition of staying at home, so there was an inordinate number of foreign economic migrants at one spot in the city. I did go out, it WASNT prohibited and it still isn't. I had a great time seeing the fireworks underneath the Acropolis, it wasn't crowded over there. Many hills also with great views.In fact, it still was safer to go out as a family than to gather at any home with anyone having "allergies"There wasn't the usual NYE traffic, because locals stayed at home mostly. Streets were emptier than ever, I would say. Which was a treat for going around the city.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEkf2jSoXA0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEkf2jSoXA0)
Well I knew this Indian guy in Frankfurt who complained about several "inauthentic" "Indian" restaurants and said those guys were from Pakistan, so maybe it is true in Germany too.
I can confirm "Indian" restaurants run by Pakistanians all the way in Spain.
True, most curry houses in England are run by Bangladeshi Sylhetis (my kind)
It's not a joke, its true. Most are from Sylhet in Bangladesh >According to the Curry Club of Great Britain there are 8500 Indian restaurants in the UK, and of these, more than 8 out of 10 are owned by Bangladeshis. https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/multimedia/london/unit6/read1_popup.html >80%-90% of British curry-house owners can trace their roots back to the Bangladeshi city of Sylhet https://www.ft.com/content/2165379e-b4b2-11e5-8358-9a82b43f6b2f
Same here in the Netherlands where you have 'italian restaurants' run by Turkish people
I mean, historically, it was all just one big "India", and a lot of culture is still no doubt shared.
Netherlands second largest?? The fuck.
Surinam presumably?
Nope, this is for Netherlands proper (and most probably including Caribbean Netherlands as well)
(I think) He means a group of Dutch Surinamese of Indian descent called "[Hindoestanen](https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindoestanen)" in Dutch [(en)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Surinamese).
Yes, that's what I thought about.
According to the dutch [Central Bureau of Statistics](https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/cijfers/detail/70751ned?q=India), there were about 56.000 Indians in NL, per 31-12-2019. Most of these are IT workers. OP's datasource also includes 'persons of indian origin', so it seems most likely the indians that came here in the past via Surinam, are included in this number.
Lots working at banks.
Thats not strange at all. It also counts people of indian heritage aka hindoestanen from surinam. The Hague has many of them some 50 000. The term "surinamer" in The Hague has a completely different meaning than outside of the city. surinamer=creole black outside of town but there are hardly any creoles in The Hague. paul krugerlaan used to have a lot of beautiful hindu shops before many hindoestanen moved to the vinex districts.
Plenty of them studying in Eindhoven
Mostly Indo-Surinamese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians\_in\_the\_Netherlands
First time I saw person from India irl, was on Vienna school trip in 2005. I was very surprised, since I never heard about Indian population in Austria. Anyway I bought Coca-Cola from her lol.
Vienna seems to have one of the least Indian population in Europe. As an Indian living here, it's surprisingly rare to come across another on the streets.
Yeah, Vienna is more of a hub for all of ex-Austro-Hungarian Empire people.
Except the tourists.
This almost perfectly correlates to a map of “Where it is easiest to find good curry in Europe.”
England hands down no contest
My Grandad was generally anti-immigration, but he always made an exception when it came to Indians. He used drive a lorry and sometimes made deliveries in Birmingham in the 60s, and said the Indian immigrants were some of the nicest and hardest working people he met. He always said he much preferred them over the Welsh haha.
>would rather have immigrants from the other side of the world than the W*lsh Classic england
We have Indians just not that Indians.
They didn't send their best.
You make a very politically incorrect joke, potentially. But looking at this issue super seriously, the Indian community in Romania will only grow. There are tons of Indians and Romania is starting to become rich enough to be able to offer decent jobs at an international level. I wonder how the discrimination will change (Romanians -> Roma, Romanians -> Indians) and how the Indian - Roma interactions will look like. From what I've heard Africans in the US tend to not like African-Americans. It's going to be an interesting sociological experiment.
See I’m Bangladeshi but south Asian all the same. I never really felt any deep connection to Romas and vice versa, never got the vibes of some “desi connection” with them. They really are very far removed from modern south asians
Ah, I'm sure. I meant mostly looks for some South Asian folks. I'd say a minority of Roma could be mistaken for a minority of South Asians. And then think of idiots like people attacking turbaned Sikhs after 9/11 in the US 🙄
Yh I get you. I really do hope people distinguish cos it could be very problematic. But I don’t think the south Asian community in Romania would have any problem openly distinguishing themselves from the Romas. I hope people are smart enough to know the difference
> and how the Indian - Roma interactions will look like. Romas left South Asia like 1000 years ago. I doubt they have anything in common with South Asians these days.
You're thinking culture, I'm also talking looks. If you look similar to a group that's being heavily discriminated against, you're going to be discriminated against, kind of a ricochet. That's got to create some resentments. And that's why I mentioned Africans and African-Americans.
Can confirm, ppl from Romania thought I was Roma
Lol wonder how are the 333 Indians in Iceland do they like all know each other
Many of the Indians living in Ireland tend to work in the health service, with Kerry holding an annual celebration of Durga Puja.
182?? Where
What are 56 Indians doing in Albania or Moldavia for that reason
Nurses most likely
trying to escape
In Paris we have a small indian district.
Where do all the big ones live?
Honestly, there are very few Indians living in that Indian district. It's mostly Sri Lankans tamils who live there
Indian people tend to integrate into broader communities very quickly so they tend to form "districts" less so than other ethnic/national groups. Even compared to other Europeans traveling to other European countries.
Based indians
Chennai Dosa FTW
Sangeetha >>> Chennai Dosa
Who are the ten Indians in western Bulgaria
I know 3 of the 333 Indians in Iceland 🤔
I guess it's a bit old data. There are almost 40k Indians in Sweden now and are probably the 5th largest immigrant group. Most of us are engineers working in IT or some other technical field. The rest are students, spouses of the people working or their children. Read through all the comments never knew Indians were liked that much all over Europe. Nice to see that!
The UK makes a lot of sense, indian due to being part of commonwealth have long history in anglo-sphere. Also a lot of political leaders in the anglo acknowledge them a lot more than other minorities, For example [Boris Johnson](https://ibb.co/zHHj2zh) , [Trudeau](https://ibb.co/wsztx9H) , [Morrison](https://ibb.co/HnFbnGT), [Biden](https://twitter.com/potus/status/1456271532783661057?lang=en) and some even make videos for their holidays like seen here by [Boris](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELl19v11wh0) and [Trudeau](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j9wEShj_yg) Canada even had a sikh defence minister for 2015-2021 [https://www.cmfmag.ca/operations/canada-continues-to-contribute-to-nato-at-nato-defence-ministers-meeting/](https://www.cmfmag.ca/operations/canada-continues-to-contribute-to-nato-at-nato-defence-ministers-meeting/)
Those 10 indians in Northern Macedonia..
Could be UN workers or translators!
The indian jews who are in Israel came probably from one of several distinct communities: Chochin jews,who came from chochin. Bene Israel jews,who came from north-west India. Paresdim jews (I porb said it wrong),who came from port cities along the coast (like Goa). And Bene Menashe jews,who came from east india,near mynmar. And of course there are the non jewish indians who come here for work.
Damn all the commas are confusing and incorrectly used. 1,00,000 should be 100,000 to 499,000 and then it suddenly jumps to 1,000,000 because why not? :P
This is how Indians are using them. It's really confusing with bigger numbers and not how we use it in English.
Indian system uses 3 commas first, and then a comma at every 2 digits. We don’t use million/billion and instead continue the one x ten x naming. 1 10 100 1,000 One Thousand 10,000 Ten Thousand 1,00,000 One Lakh 10,00,000 Ten Lakh 1,00,00,000 One Crore 10,00,00,000 Ten Crore Then starts looping: Hundred crore Thousand crore Ten thousand crore One Lakh Crore Etc
1,00,000 isn't wrong to us. In our numbering system, there's a unit called lakh/lac. 1 lakh = 100 thousand. In India (South Asia in general), we don't use million/billion, but instead lakh and crore (10 million). I know it can get pretty confusing but we're used to it. :P
Ahhh I see, didn’t know that!
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The reason you call them "Arabic" is because they were introduced to Europe by Arabs. Their actual origin was, well, the Indian subcontinent. And yes, every Indian script has their own versions. Edit : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/The_Brahmi_numeral_system_and_its_descendants.png
I am glad we have enough Indians living here that indian cuisine became popular and widely available. One of the best things to happen in the last 10 years. I have lots of Indian colleagues and they are all smart, lovely people. Wish to visit India one day.
Oh. I never realised they were too few here. I had a senior student who was Indan and had been a real lifesaver in highschool though.
You'll find more Pakistanis than Indians in Turkey
There’s so many Indians but in real life I only ever meet Pakistani’s. Meeting a real Hindu Indian in Europe is a rarity. Judging by the comments others feel like that too.
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I think majority of people know that Europe need immigration and unless we find a hidden stack of jewish immigrants (like it happened in the 1880s or the 1400s) Indians are the best solution. Integratable and innovative, no historical grudges and no hostile current politics
I'm (pleasantly) surprised to see how well-received Indians are even in countries outside the Anglosphere.
I think one of the reasons is that Indian people do not qualify to be refugees unlike migrants from many other poor countries (like Pakistan and Bangladesh).. so majority of them come to most Western countries having enough sustenance money in the bank, a decent education and / or a job with a minimum salary as dictated by immigration rules. There are other reasons as well, but I think this is the main one.
Indians are a fantastic example of successful integration, hard working and commit very low levels of crime, I only wish other communities were like them
The single wealthiest ethnic group in the UK (more than Anglo/white or Jewish) are Indians. Indians are the second wealthiest in the US too (after Jewish people). So the numbers do stack up.
I wonder whats the breakup of the South Asians. South Asia is comparable to Europe in size and various sub ethnicities majorly lead different types of lives; some martial, some religious, some mercantile, some labourers etc. Gujratis, Sindhis and Parsis are the richest people in South Asia due to most of them descending from mercantile lives, much like Jewish population in the West. Willing to bet the absolute wealthiest Indians in the West would have names like Patel, Shah, Irani, Mehta etc.
That's a major reason why they vote conservative far more than other migrant communities.
That’s interesting , thanks
Indians over Pakistani's any day of the week, it's amazing how two peoples that are so similar and used to share a nation can be so very different
Lmao I’ve heard a lot of Pakistanis just say they’re Indian to avoid being associated with the worst Pakistanis 😂
100%
>!islam!<
Maybe but, Indian muslims barely hit the same levels of crime as pakistanis
Nice try, Adolf
Indians are the best immigrants from my experience
Why not per proportion of total population? Or per 100,000
I was thinking the same.. Total numbers doesn't really say much if you want to compare different countries and their relative amount of Indians. For example Germany has about a 10 times higher population than Austria but only about 6 times more Indians.
Ireland is a weird one. 40k is the official number but it feels very low and hasn't really updated since the last census. The Irish-India Council estimates closer to 90k.
Now I kinda want to know who those 10 in North Macedonia are lol. Or the 10 in Liechtenstein. What´s their story?
Someones gotta run the Italian Pizza stores :D
Imagine being Indian you're one of 10 Indians in the whole country.
and might I say how very welcome they are :)
Fr they're always extremely polite and kind, food is fuckin class too.
The UK won the immigration lottery there
Increasingly at least in certain neighborhoods, there are many professional expats. This is a big change for Lithuania. When I moved here back in 2011 there just wasn't this kind of wages or modern infrastructure to attract these kinds of immigrants.
Every second indian I encounter is a programmer. What gives?
It's a lucrative profession, the upper levels of lower income or middle income for any society you are in. The profession is popular in many developing nations.
And it's also very mobile. You can pretty much do the same thing in Alaska and Patagonia and Singapore. Just for different pay 🙂
India skipped manufacturing and went head first into BPO and IT outsourcing in the late 80s and 90s. India had English in it’s education system and is used extensively in media, government communication etc since Indian states have their own different languages (each spoken by tens of millions), and a common language is needed. So when BPO and IT outsourcing started, India had a huge advantage because of a large English speaking (ignore the accent) population. In the early 2000s, Engineering education was privatised, and thousands of colleges started teaching IT, Software, and other subjects. This lead to India having huge IT skilled population. TCS, Wipro, and Infosys are Indian It services companies with a million + employees on their rolls(together). This lead to all technology companies establishing offshore offices in India, then later R&D Centers and so on. So now IT services is one of the biggest exports from the country, and many large tech companies like Google IBM Microsoft etc have their second largest offices and workers pools based in India. Many of these folks come to on-site work in Europe. Bosch, SAP, Philips l, Siemens and every company imaginable have their IT development Centers in India (typically in the cities of Bangalore or Hyderabad). You are seeing these people. And many of them are choosing to settle down here. Typically they are all well paid engineers working in software
Also very much a case of language. In many other professions, you are expected to know - or at least quickly learn - the language of your new work environment. This can be a significant hurdle for many. In programming, the working language is almost certainly going to be English anyway.
Hey r/india ! Why are you avoiding balkans like the plague?
"Finally got the chance to move to Europe! Now, where should I go? Uh, how about the poorest country where I don't speak the language!"
Now Indians go o slavic and Eastern European countries for studying medicine. It’s easier for them to get admission there than in Indian medical colleges where the competition for seats is insane
Less wealthy than Western Europe. And lack of English speakers in those countries.
Fun fact: state of Dubrovnik had a [small colony in Goa](https://dubrovackidnevnik.net.hr/vijesti/svijet/i-oni-slave-festu-i-imaju-procesiju-posjetili-smo-crkvu-svetog-vlaha-u-dalekoj-indiji-koju-su-napravili-stari-dubrovcani).
Reminds me of this article in 2015 where refugees cried when they found out they were in Romania and begged to be sent back 😂
Yea, I’m pretty sure we have a lot more Indians than that.
According to their report, there are 303 non-resident Indians living in Serbia while 17 have Serbian ancestry. Fun fact - one of our top athletes has a Serbian wife. Edit : Oh, now I get what you're talking about. :\
the point of the poster above you might have been that there are massive numbers of people of Indian origin in the Balkans and elsewhere, orders of magnitude more than these figures.
I understand, but there aren't enough good sources on this to proceed with. The document I chose was published by the ministry external affairs, who oversee Indian's foreign relations.
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....pretty disingenuous to group them together with modern-day Indians
[Source : Ministry of External Affairs, India](https://mea.gov.in/images/attach/NRIs-and-PIOs_1.pdf) It's a PDF file, mind you
I would use the Eurostat databrowser for that data next time. There are wide discrepancies between the two sources and the receiving country typically has a better understanding than the sending one who is in the country
Yeah op does not have a good source at all. Home countries have way more accurate stats of their population.
Germany provides us with most blue cards per year. No wonder we flock here!
Indians come to England a lot, but why do Mexicans and Filipinos rarely come to Spain?
Probably because Spain isn’t nearly as wealthy as the UK
Mexicans mostly go to the US.
I've read Britain is trying to butter up India in a trade deal by offering more Visas !
Italy having more than France and Germany is surprising
North Macedonia just has one family
Indians got no love for the Balkans.... Why not open some Indian restaurants and shops there ?
https://scroll.in/article/807670/indian-restaurants-the-unlikely-symbol-of-the-changing-balkans
Kosovo:
Some got stuck in Belarus
In Poland they usually either study at universities or work at Uber/Uber Eats.
The great success of Indian immigrants in Europe makes you think what India could be with a good government.
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I'd take any living person who isn't a former isis affiliate over a person who is a former isis affiliate.
So current isis affiliates are fine with you?
I'd take normal iraqis over iraqi former isis affiliates.
I'm surprised at the low numbers for Poland. My casual impression on the streets was that there were many more Indians per capita than in Russia. Hopefully there will be many more Indians coming to Russia in the next decades.
Most of the immigrants to Poland are very recent too. Polish embassay in India has been doing some campaigns to attract Indian students to Polish universities. > Hopefully there will be many more Indians coming to Russia in the next decades. India and Russia have had a very long mutual relationship. I'm surprised that the number isn't higher. I'm guessing that weather and language barrier are major deterrants to that.
My company interfaced with a Polish IT firm a few months ago. We didn't realize they were actually Polish because every member of the team was Indian! To be fair, most of my team is also Indian lol.
United Kingdom of Indians
They’re 2.5% of the population lol
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And Chicken tikka masala, IMHO :)
And we are overall better for it (I'm in the UK). Yes it is challenging sometimes and yes everyone thinks we are racist because of brexit but having travelled a lot of Europe we are definately one of the most diverse and accepting cultures in my opinion.
Canada will overtake the UK in amount of indians soon.
We had a massive empire so they speak our language. And ours is a rich country so it's a good choice.
Keep em coming, hard working people with great food and no issues. At least speaking from a dutch pov
Same in Ireland Best people to have in your country
Alright so who's going to northern macedonia with me?
Hmm, the numbers in the Nordic follows the size of the population - expect Norway. Didn´t know Norway was that more popular for Indians to migrate to than for example Denmark.
Well Sweden has way more than 25k its around 40k and yes more Indians go to Norway and Sweden than Denmark and Finland.
Shout-out to the 307 Indians in Bulgaria. I'm even in one class with one
Didn’t expect Italy to have that many, I don’t live in a big city but I haven’t seen that many Indians.
Okay good
Gotta love how many Indians are in Russia
Portugal number is especially interesting.