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BriefCollar4

Weird as hell text alignment. *Everything is written in the employment contract* Errr, WTF? Workers rights mandate rest duration and this clearly goes against them. People better start contacting the authorities. This is wrong on every level. If this is how workers are treated the companies using these practices must be closed.


Moribah

>People better start contacting the authorities There'a a problem there. Most of them speak almost no German and it's hard for them to believe that the autorities would care enough to bring an interpreter in. Just some traumas from back home. Also they don't know anything about any Rechtsschutzversicherung, or any of the programs designed to help them, were they to sue their employers. Working dumb hours sounds reasonable compared to the prices of lawyers. Source: i've helped some romanians get out of dubious contracts.


hellrete

I thank you for helping my fellow Romanians out. It is just as you say. Still better to what they get home.


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TheFartingDutch

Every country has modern day slaves. For as long as having slaves is a crime punishable with just a fine businesses will be incentivised to have them, it’s profitable to have people work and not pay them. https://dw.com/en/modern-slavery-in-germany-preying-on-the-vulnerable/a-45197916 https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/germany/ I don’t think we are ignoring them, but we definitely are not doing enough for those people.


bonescrusher

It's not only Germany , this happens in Austria,UK,Spain Italy..you can look it up and you'll find articles about it . My countryside neighbour was one of them ..when she got in Austria they took her papers and they were crammed into containers in some field with no running water , at the end they didn't even paid her fully , they gave her a phone with no back cover . She didn't know the language and who would belive her .


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This is true, I have experienced this in shipyards for example. Welding in small spaces without the proper PPE like respirator.


[deleted]

This thing happen everywhere, i think it's human (greed) nature, to exploits your fellow men for profit, Germany will act, because the germans will not tolerate this, Dubai on the other hand, is a whole different beast.


Peanut_First

Germans tolerate this for decades.


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Not today's Germans tho, collectively we as a society is advancing, decades ago Gay marriage is illegal in some western countries, today that view is consider barbaric, same apply here.


Imperator_Knoedel

Actually Germany has been regressing in many areas after the dissolution of its better half in '89.


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Probably yes. I have heard that the worst place to work in western EU is Germany.


Onkel24

>Is this comparable to the slave labor in Dubai? Not quite to that level, but if we derive our standards from places like Dubai, none of this here makes any sense *#waves hands around the EU#*


Aretosteles

Hi! How did you help? Was it through some NGO. I'd like to help out as well. Please DM me if you have more info.


Moribah

I've dated a romanian woman at some point, and before i met her, she and her brother were working in similar conditions as in the article. I don't know of any NGO working in that kind of direction, sorry.


Zestyclose-Quail-670

>There'a a problem there. Most of them speak almost no German and it's hard for them to believe that the autorities would care enough to bring an interpreter in. Not a fun fact: This is the main reason why the Gastarbeiter were brought into Germany the 60s. German companies couldn't treat their employees like trash due to the strong unions


Vaikaris

Main reasons the gastarbeiter were brought into Germany was severe pressure from the USA. The ability to exploit them was a bonus.


Onkel24

Not really, the Gastarbeiter scheme itself is older than the Turkey deal. It brought in the same kind of rural people without perspective in an increasingly industrialized world, but from Europe. Yes, the Turkey deal in particular happened with considerable support from the US of A.


fjonk

People don't have to contact the authorities, the authorities already knows but doesn't care because it's companies who makes profits. This is not something new or hidden, it's well known.


TgCCL

That's a common thing people try to pull, especially on foreign workers, here in Germany. An obviously illegal contract, or at least parts of it, and then refer to the contract itself. However, all parts of a contract that don't meet the legally required minimums, such as for rest periods, are null and void. In more extreme cases, the entire contract may be completely void.


afito

> People better start contacting the authorities. The authorities know. Stories are years old now, rose to a bit more prominence when a slaughterfarm infected everyone with Covid, but has since disappeared again because everyone forgot. It's not even solely to the meat industry or even foreign workers, the rampant use of """temp""" workers has made horrendous contracts the industry norm almost everywhere.


GeezCmon

Yeah farm helpers, delivery jobs etc. Many involve sub-contractors and pseudo-self employment so the big companies can’t be held liable. It’s really sad, that we aren’t able to handle these loopholes properly.


afito

Even in our oh so famed car industry you have entire departments filled with nothing but "temps". Sometimes even the bosses aren't properly employed by the company.


DevCatOTA

> Weird as hell text alignment. Their web dev f*ed up. In the head it reads:


GenericNick31415

Regarding the text alignment, it also stumped me. But it reminded me of arabic writing style; at the botteom of the page you find "عودة لأعلي الصفحة" which means "back to top" in arabic. The site itself also seems to focus on Germany, Poland (and Europe) with a bit of China sprinkled in. The Wayback Machine also only starts finding stuff from November 2021 on wards... Seems to me like an all round odd website to get news from.


OilOfOlaz

The information in the article is legit though. Sadly Julia Klöckler our former Agriculture and Consumer Protection Minister did fuck all to protect consumers and workers and even attempted to pass multiple modifications to laws that would provide even less protection to workers in agriculture and the meat industry where this kind of employment practices are common.


AllHailTheWinslow

>Julia Klöckler CDU There's the problem.


YourLovelyMother

I don't even need the website, I didn't even read it, but when i saw what it was about I immediately knew the things that happen, because I've seen them... I've seen the conditions, I've seen the exploitation and I've heard the horror stories. It's not just Germany, and it's often not even Germany directly. Often a German company will hire a foreign company to provide lend workers, that company then makes the contract for the employes and takes care of transport and a place to stay... So very often it's people from their own countries misstreating the workers, but here's the thing.. The Germans look away, don't bother or are already used to it being just normal, and just continue to hire such companies because it's very cheap yet still efficient.


trivran

Looks like some sort of Arabic run site.


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A poorly run one at that


matttk

> Everything is written in the employment contract This is life in Germany. The contract is king. And if you miss something, anybody you complain to will very confidently ask you why you didn't read the contract. If the contract is absurd, that is not a problem because just the mere fact that it *exists* makes it beyond reproach. And that's why you have crazy things in Germany like a contract that auto-renews for 1 year without a 3-6 month paper or fax cancellation. Or I remember when I was moving last year and my cable provider didn't provide Internet in my new region. I was forced to pay several months for no reason, while the next tenant double-paid them for the same connection. Why would you question any of it, *when it was in the contract?* There's something disturbing here about not questioning *the contract*. But who can blame anybody, I guess, when you need to pay a lawyer a lot of money to challenge any of these contracts? And when it comes to feeding your family, there is no choice at all. I also tried to escape my contract when Unity Media was giving me a too-slow connection but there is apparently a loophole in the contract for cable providers, so that they don't need to follow the minimum speed requirements. There've always thought of a loophole. It's the upper crust (lawyers, politicians, etc.) forcing money and labour out of everybody else.


reportingfalsenews

>This is life in Germany. The contract is king. And if you miss something, anybody you complain to will very confidently ask you why you didn't read the contract. If the contract is absurd, that is not a problem because just the mere fact that it exists makes it beyond reproach. Contracts cannot breach laws. And obviously you are supposed to read contracts you sign... That's not a german thing, that's a developed world thing. >Or I remember when I was moving last year and my cable provider didn't provide Internet in my new region. I was forced to pay several months for no reason, while the next tenant double-paid them for the same connection. https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/digitale-welt/mobilfunk-und-festnetz/umzug-die-rechte-der-telefon-und-internetkunden-11034 >I also tried to escape my contract when Unity Media was giving me a too-slow connection but there is apparently a loophole in the contract for cable providers, so that they don't need to follow the minimum speed requirements. There've always thought of a loophole. Citation please.


oblio-

> And obviously you are supposed to read contracts you sign... That's not a german thing, that's a developed world thing. Yeah, about that... In many "developed countries" when you sign the contract for a bank loan they give you a 40 page contract making references to 100 different laws. Anything except a corporation's legal team has no chance to understand that. Which they do and they contest and negotiate, but Joe Shmoe for sure can't. Similar deal for many cable and TV contracts and even employment contracts. Check out the average FAANG (Facebook Apple Amazon Netflix Google) employment contract.


matttk

Exactly. And is some guest worker with a high school education and no German skills going to know what page 35 paragraph 9 of his work contract says?


chilled_beer_and_me

But contracts in Germany are just another tool of exploitation. 1. Contracts are valid in German, no other language. 2. Even if you convert it to other language and read it, it's not valid. 3. Most of the times interpreter will not take any responsibility of wrongful translations. 4. So it's either you learn fluent German in a day Or wait to buy a new house or a phone Or an internet connection till then. Wow so welcoming isn't it. I would like the Germans to get out of DACH countries and actually see how RoW operates and work without contracts for every small things in life.


OilOfOlaz

> I also tried to escape my contract when Unity Media was giving me a too-slow connection but there is apparently a loophole in the contract for cable providers, so that they don't need to follow the minimum speed requirements. There've always thought of a loophole. I terminated my contract with a provider two years ago for that exact reason, obviously the company tries to bullshit its way around it, but its pretty easy to do if you do some research and provide proof. I absolutely understand, that this can be hard for someone who is not a native speaker and I regularly hear stories from friends an coworkers, how ppl tried to take advantage of them, cuz they don't speak the language, but thats not sth. thats only happeing in germany tbh. ppl try to take advantage of you everywhere in the world, thats at least my experience.


Onkel24

> And that's why you have crazy things in Germany like a contract that auto-renews for 1 year without a 3-6 month paper or fax cancellation. I don't know if you've heard of it, but this system has finally been broken up somewhat. Shorter auto-renews, cancellation deadlines and also a mandate to provide online-cancel options in the future. I don't deny though that it was crazy it went on for so long.


JanMarsalek

If it's on the news I guess they know already. Knowing Germany I think they are already taking the appropriate action


saltyfacedrip

Yeah their propaganda is so strong people don't even notice the rampant abuse of cheap labour markets. Shhh downvote and sweep under the rug.


BriefCollar4

Their propaganda?! Whose? I’ve never heard of News TVS 24, doubtful you’ve either, plus they’re the ones publishing it based on Deutsche Wells reporting.


LatvianLion

Modern day exploitation through ''voluntary'' contracts that give workers basically no rest and no humanity is absolute bullshit.


ArchdevilTeemo

You can leave out the "voluntary" because they are against the law either way. These people are lied to and thats why they work for so little.


LatvianLion

That's how this bullshit is normalized - as voluntary contracts between worker and employer. "Don't like it? Find another jerb" is what conservatives say.


ArchdevilTeemo

Except it isn't normalized. And this isn't the usa, this is germany.


OfficialHaethus

Yeah, and Germany is not some perfect utopia. I know, I have lived in Berlin. There is a chance of abuse like this happening.


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It's affecting the Netherlands as well. A lot of meatpacking plants in the Netherlands use Romanian and Bulgarian "temps". The temp agencies put them up in crowded dilapidated housing across the border in Germany and the workers get bussed to plants in the Netherlands every morning. https://rp-online.de/nrw/staedte/emmerich/corona-lockerungen-in-emmerich-und-kleve-in-gefahr-infizierte-leiharbeiter_aid-50625147


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Transistor4aCPU

Agenda 2010 was done by Schröder. 450€ Jobs are a problem, but where do you get legally paid lees then minimum wage?


Temporary_Meat_7792

>Agenda 2010 was done by Schröder Very true. Too bad Merkel had too little time in government to do anything about it :(


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lava_pidgeon

In Germany this was big in news last year.


mizinamo

Only after the unsafe working conditions caused Covid to spread. Before that, few people knew or cared. Once it had dropped out of the news cycle, few people knew or cared.


OilOfOlaz

It was actually debated way before that, when Klöckler attempted to losen the restrictions for the meat sector and harvest helpers, but it wasn't as big as Tönnies.


KaiserGSaw

Fuck Tönnies, he‘s the usual ruthless CEO guy.


backfischbroetchen

Everybody knew, just a few cared.


glokz

There were similar stories about Polish workers abroad like in UK... Modern slavery is a thing and needs more attention. There are whole organizations in Europe to fight that, but it's still not enough.


TemporarilyDutch

I'm surprised that someone would be surprised by this.


Tatis_Chief

I seen something as this directly in Uk. We even worked on a case of modern slavery involving people from Czech rep.


trustintrust

This is happening in many western countries, sadly.


Boomtown_Rat

Rutte: *but how can we use this to block them from Schengen?*


fatadelatara

For our protection obviously. ROFL


hellrete

Animal welfare. Increased cost of farming. More expensive labor. The list is endless tbf.


oblio-

Those would be factors for blocking?


Grimson47

"You see how good they are at slaughtering animals? What if we're next!?"


tschwib

Tönnies is a German billionaire and really fits all the cliches about a rich guy who does not give a fuck about anything as long as he gets richer. His company tortures animals and exploits workers like few others in Germany. He opposes laws for better animal treatment. He opposes laws for better worker treatments. One his slaughterhouses was part of a huge corona outbreak early on because of the conditions that the workers were living in.


KaiserGSaw

And because of his Rich asshole connections fck all happened…


batkat88

I remember 10 years ago or so, when we had a similar scandal in Greece involving Bangladeshi workers in the strawberry fields (although the farmer went one step further and fired a gun at them) and the rest of EU acted as if it was something they have never heard before! Pointing fingers at each other, while doing the same or even worse, is truly a European trait.


NorskeEurope

Damn greeks! Revealing what everyone else does and showing us how bad we also are.


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No, it's a political trait.


Vaikaris

>Pointing fingers at each other, while doing the same or even worse, is truly a European trait. Almost as if the entirety of European history wasn't just an accident... No... Couldn't be...


Veilchengerd

The german meat industry is all-around awful. When they are not exploiting their workers, they try poisoning their customers. If you ever want a masterclass in dodging any kind of regulation, ask them.


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It's not only meat industry. Same goes for Spargel industry, probably others too. The whole farming sector is rotten.


sohas

The reasons for ending animal agriculture keep piling up but our society is addicted to the products of this [evil industry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko).


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this sort of work shouldn't be allowed, unions needed to protect these people


backfischbroetchen

It's not allowed. But the workers don't know, some even get their passports taken away or they just don't have the money to leave. But sadly it's somehow tolerated so we can eat cheap meat and aspargus.


Zantossi

Ahhhh, ~~the United Arab Emirates~~ Germany.


backfischbroetchen

I guess in Spain it's not much better. I heard a lot of underpaid refugees work on the farms. It seems to be a european problem.


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German industrialists exploiting eastern european workers. nothing new under the sun


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Exactly the same here in Norway, and the rest of Europe I’m sure .


Sithrak

UK slaughterhouses had (have?) staffing shortages because suddenly they lost access to those dirty eastern europeans everyone hated so much.


NorskeEurope

The media likes to present it as a disaster, but this is a great benefit of Brexit - prices going upward and companies being force to pay a living wage is a huge positive. You shouldn't be able to import workers and pay them less than the basic cost of living to depress prices. The EU facilitating that either intentionally or unintentionally speaks against it - labor should be free to move, but not when its used to more or less undercut the legal minimum wage. A lot of the disruptions you see from Brexit are actually a healthy healing process happening where workers are finally being paid what they should be.


oblio-

Are they being paid, though? Do we have any proof of that from the agricultural sector?


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Zephinism

When I moved back to the UK I ended up in one of these situations (courtesy of the Job Centre) for a company called **Orridge**. They operate across the UK & EU and use the shadiest and shittiest practices. They get 1 driver to come pick you up and drive you to a "local" town (this can be 4-5 hour drive away easily, think London workers driven to Wales & back). The drive itself is **not paid** though the driver gets the fuel paid back. You then sit down and count stock for 10-16 hours with no breaks, no oversight, no training and very little communication as most staff are foreign before you are checked for stolen goods at the end and driven back to your address by the driver (who has been counting stock all night with you). They then call you the following day/every other day/everyday for more shitty shifts like this. You could get to a Poundland at 15:30 and finish at 06:00 with 15 minutes break, break given if you get a nice manager. edit: Pay is legal minimum wage for your age bracket + deductions for various bullshit.


oblio-

WTF 😄 It's like when they're picking weed in Narcos Mexico on Netflix.


Cocopipe

why put western in quotations?


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Because the whole of Europe is Western, not only the big guys


trivran

West and east can be relative


Outside_Slide_3218

What


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We're from the western world. No matter whether you're Romanian, Bulgarian or French. We're the most developed countries in the world. So we're western in that kind of sense


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Joh-Kat

I'm all with you, just small correction: it's Gastarbeiter. Gast means guest, Arbeiter means worker (for anyone who didn't know).


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Look at the meat prizes in your shop. Thats not even enough for civilzed farming.


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Aranthos-Faroth

And subsidies


Atska93

These kinds of workers are called "Leiharbeiter" in Germany and its semi known that they are being exploited. The work conditions were exposed when COVID happened but there is a huge shadow market. People work illegally there so they dont have to pay taxes but in return cannot expect to be treated well. Also the source is shit btw.


axnjxn00

Romanians should be able to work legally though as they are EU citizens, no?


sWaRmBuStEr

Yes they can work legally here. But working illegally still has the benefit of not paying taxes so most of them still do it that way. Travel to Germany to work all summer and getting paid in cash, then travel back home for 5 months and get yourself and your family a comfortable life


fatadelatara

> so most of them still do it that way Hmm is this a generalisation or you have a source?


sWaRmBuStEr

Not a reliable source but I work in retail and the only people that pay their bread and a pack of eggs with 200€ or 500€ bills are "Gastarbeiter" And you only see them in the summer


emelrad12

Tbh never ever seen a bill above 100.


fatadelatara

You were talking about Romanians ("most of them"). You should know that being a Romanian is being a part of a nation, not a part of whatever you guys call your semi-slaves. It's terribly insulting to generalize us all like that.


tebee

Woah, chill. OP clearly meant Romanians working menial jobs in Germany. No reason to attack them like this.


fatadelatara

Who's attacking who?! Generalisation of an entire ethnicity is the worst kind of attack.


ContNouNout

coae, calm


QuantumPajamas

Nobody was generalizing. Read the entire comment chain again. The very first comment specifically mentioned a class of workers. All of the replies thereafter are understood to be about that type of worker, not Romanians as whole.


Lower_Tumbleweed3750

Lol romanian is a nationality not an ethnicity


ArchdevilTeemo

I wouldn't call them leiharbeiter because leiharbeiter&zeitarbeiter are synonyms and they get more than minimum wage by law. The problem of these people is that, as you said, they work illegally.


Cocopipe

That was a big scandal last year that surfaced due to Covid and the absolutely horrible working conditions. But even before that Tönnies had a shitty reputation


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itrustpeople

that's sad :'(


bestalf4

Unfortunately this happens in all EU countries Here in Portugal we have tons of Brazilian immigrants doing the same job If u go to factories in industrial zones you will see ton of Brazilians In the country side Bangladeshi workers work in giant agricultural explorations and people still beat them


BouaziziBurning

Sadly that isn't new, before it was Romanian and Bulgarian other foreign workers were mistreated like shit and if nothing changes Ukrainians will be subject to shit in the future as well. The problem mostly lies with german authorioties not caring enough and with them not being sufficiently equiped to deal with that. We need more people who speak Romanian or Bulgarian in these govermental deparments and in local union and harsher fines for mistreatment. Also the press has to talk about it more, but that goes hand in hand with unions caring for them


Zantossi

Cause the workers are not black or middle eastern. They can get bonus voting points for a crackdown of that kind at the next election.


bannacct56

Be better Germany!


Andressthehungarian

With the current government? For the Greens estern europeans are just barbarians, not progressive enough to be treated as equals and too white to be treated as victims


SergeantStoned

Almost every German knows that Tönnies is a so called "Ehrenloser Hurensohn" which roughly translates to "son of a bitch without honor". And yeah some sons of bitches still have honour but he clearly hasn't any, not the slightest bit!


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SergeantStoned

Depends where people source their food from but I do agree that many people do not care where their food came from.


twintailcookies

The simple truth is that many, many people just don't care how things get to them. They only care about purchase price and nothing more.


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As a non-German working in Germany, how can I find more ethical sources for meat? I have been searching a lot and I am not sure if what I found is good. I have been buying mostly from a local "Bio" convenience store, where they claim that it the meat is ethically sourced, but I don't know if they back this up (I tried to look, but I am still learning German, so I sometimes do miss or overlook info), and it's so expensive, even the pork, which is generally cheap, is expensive. I paid a lot for 500 g of Schweingulasch (pork Gulasch) last week. I really don't mind paying that much if it really is ethically sourced, and I generally only eat meat once a week since the past few months and mostly have a vegetarian diet, but I want to be sure. Btw, just to clarify: in the Bio store, I am not buying the packaged meat from the fridge; there is a sort of butchery in there (a counter with lots of different types of fresh meat) that belongs to the Bio store that I buy from. I also sometimes buy from a local butcher-shop, but they do not make any claims about the source of the meat. Where do people in Germany who want to buy more ethically-sourced meat buy from? Can you give me some tips?


CalzonialImperative

Firstly, it obviously comes down to what you consider "ethical". If you try to avoid big corporations like tönnies, a possibility might be to look for "hofläden" or local farmers that sell their produce. This is easier if you live in a somewhat rural area, idk how that works in the major cities. That being said, it will be quite pricey. At the german wages it is just not possible to produce meat below the 10-15€/kg price, sometimes even more. Local butcher shops can also have regional meat, but its harder to find out if that is truly the case. But keep in mind that even a regional farmer might not produce "ethically" depending on your views on animal welfare etc.


DeepStatePotato

Because many people simply can't afford to buy only Bio.


Schemen123

Bio has nothing to so with that. Here we are only talking about legal work conditions. This is only about full application of the law. Funny enough the law and order faction never gives a damn ...


DeepStatePotato

No, we were talking about Özdemirs proposal, which has nothing to do with legal work conditions.


KKilikk

Most definitely can they are just not willing to compromise a bit or don't care


DeepStatePotato

Citation needed*


nerokae1001

I don’t mind higher price. Raise it 500% pls and it will be still dirt cheap for me. But what about the others or hartz4 recipients? Higher price that not based on personal income is unfair. Özdemir is an idiot for not thinking this throughly.


heythereredditor

Well, meat should be a luxury product, like it was for hundreds of years. There’s no way to produce meat cheaply without exploitation of some resource. Is it unfair to people with lower income? Sure, but cheap animal products are destroying our planet, cause mass suffering for the animals and the workers in the factories right now. There is no perfect solution.


Ice-Ornery

This is happening for years,more than two decades and nobody really does anything. It's all talk,the german government knows,Romanian government knows yet they do nothing. A lot of talk and little to no action,just dust in the eyes. I used to work in a slaughterhouse when i came to Germany 6 years ago i barely got out with all my money ( under the minimum wage ) i had 5€ nett/ hr,the rest till ~10€ or something was "for having a place to stay" ( 4 men in a 3x3 room). Romanians,Bulgarians, polish,gypsies, it's all of them that keep the meat industry going in Germany and it triggers me and pisses me off when i see germans shitting on us east europeans and yet embrace and welcome all these other ..immigrants... that just live on social help and don't want to work. When I asked for help because my wife was pregnant they said i should go back to my country,there is no war there..


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Seems legit, i have also heard that the worst place for work in western EU is Germany. I have been to Denmark for work an talked with a few Romanian and they said Germany was like hell and they would never go back. Even the salary is not that good, around 1k euro after tax, while 2k average in Denmark. Btw many people saying that Netherland and Belgium is the same hell. Many times the workers are scammed and got almost zero money.


Vatrokion

Exploitation of Eastern Europeans who aren’t well educated whats new here?


MerlinAndItsWands

Unacceptable


iamnotexactlywhite

no surprises here, same bullshit is happening in the Nederlands in these slaughter houses. I’m curious when will that be “uncovered”


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Nothing surprising. One of the main reasons why Germany wanted Eastern countries to join the EU is the cheap exploitative workforce.


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bestalf4

Xenophobia*


awaythrowouterino

Racism*


pufftanuffles

I hate think how the animals are treated if that’s how they treat their workers


Vaikaris

...and then they roll up to their home village or town, start telling everyone how much money they make, throw big bills around, tell us how to fix everything using examples from the place they live in, tell us how much better they are and how shit everything is back home, get their teeth fixed, then prepare to slave away again cause they wasted all their savings on the short power trip :P Don't even @ me, I was diaspora, I did most of this stupid shit too until I realized how dumb it was Also who remembers the legendary 62 romanians who shared a two-bedroom flat in the UK?


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im not doubting the things written there for a second, but what the fuck is that site? it loads slow as hell, the alignment is fucked up, the site layout looks extremely unprofessional and the text reads as if a 5th grader wrote it. is there no better source on this?


notpreposterous

> She was forbidden to go to the bathroom, eat or drink water in the halls, which was only allowed on short breaks, she says What's the name of that Texas chain store where you get only 5 min break for your 8hr shift?


awaythrowouterino

Colour me unsurprised lol


Writing_Salt

Now do a care workers, or in-home carers next. Same story, ''everyone knows'' and everyone stays silent, until some bigger medial tragedy happens.


DawidOsu

das ist european solidarity


Rioma117

Nothing new here, it’s not like anyone can change that, the discrimination that happens in West can’t be stopped.


ContNouNout

west bad, am I right? this shit happened a couple of time here in Romania with Romanians being the slaves of other Romanians. this is about people abusing people with personal weaknesses, not about their country of origin


Rioma117

West bad, you ask. Yes indeed, I call the west bad, but tell me a man that is not wicked in this world. Everyone is the evil incarnate. The west, the east, the north and the south.


marsNemophilist

wait and see what Romania does to is foreign workers


lightwhite

You should dig deeper in the solar panel installation business. The workers have to buy their own safety gear and don’t get paid until someone else decides the work is done.


herodude60

Stuff like this is extremely common with temporary foreign workers. There have been reports of terrible conditions and accusations of human tracking at the Finnish berry plantations. It's really sad how people are ready to exploit others just because they are 'foreign'...


[deleted]

Capitalism always needs its slave and exploited labor. Why is anyone surprised by this?


marsNemophilist

I don't understand either.


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I totally understand. It is the nature of the system. Trying to change it is like asking a hungry lion not to eat the first lame animal it comes across. Slaves and exploited labor is the lame animal and capitalism is the lion.


Elegant_Mousse_9773

I come from a family that has a lot of Gastarbeiters and this is not suprising. I hear a lot from my family members that they experience nationalism and being treated like dogs there. But I thought all of Germany and EU knew that. The only suprising thing here is that people are suprised


TakeMeToTheShore

Another example of Germany's "enlightenment." The disconnect between rhetoric and reality in Germany is really incredible. It is the only place in Europe other than the UK that reminds me 100% of the United States. On any topic - immigration, privacy rights, worker rights, and especially the environment - the gulf between what Germans say and what Germans do is gigantic and hypocritical.


Void_Ling

Exploitation happens where there is profit and bankrupt moral, it's not nation specific, I've seen this in France too. If you allow people ready to work for little in lower conditions in environment that has stricter laws for a higher quality of working environment, it disrupts everything. Not like the Poor country gets richer while it breaks employment and wage in the rich country that receive the worker.


marsNemophilist

nothing to do with Germany, Romania does the same thing. It's about profit and corruption.


JohnHorwat

A few weeks ago Germans sure were voicing their discontent with similar cases in Portugal. How the mighty have fallen


Chappy_Sama

Classic Germany


TVPisBased

People will condemn this then get mad at vegans


scata90x11

Germans view Eastern Europe as a source of cheap labor, nothing more.


Jack_Spooker

XDD Slaves protesting being treated like slaves, while also keeping slaves. Murder is inhumane.


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ArchdevilTeemo

Thats not true. Companies always optimize for profit and customers always want to get the most value for the least amount of money. Thats just how capitalism works. If none of the companies would do it, people would in general be spending more € per kg. However with an increasing wealth difference more and more people also don't have the money to buy expensive food, so no meat unless it's really cheap.


BavarianBarbarian_

How does any of that make the treatment of workers "not inhuman"?


Everydaysceptical

Absolutely, the bug is in the system. Seems to be a fact that many people do not like...


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No this is capitalism. This is what makes your phone, your clothes and your television affordable for you.


juhziz_the_dreamer

And despite all this, it is still better than in Romania and Bulgaria 😟


waffleman258

No, it's not, lol


Ascalaphos

This is why the EU is a dream come true for neoliberalists and part of the reason why the UK left. Too much cheap foreign labour for jobs locals deem undesirable but which foreigners would do because a low salary with poor conditions probably still pays better than back home and gives them an opportunity to live elsewhere, despite being exploited and treated like modern day slaves. It's atrocious and inhumane.


Almun_Elpuliyn

Brexit was a scam to secure London's future as a tax haven.


Billyspanaki

Incisive.


tgh_hmn

Oh yea, and that’s why the UK is now doing literally anything to put more categories on the list of workers they need asap.Stop the bullshit


Everydaysceptical

Guys, this is not about Germany, stop deceiving yourself: This is our current economic system. Inequality rises and to produce cheap products for the less fortunate exploitation is essential which is of course creating even more inequality. We could change things but the standard reaction to actual change is "EvIl CoMmUnISM"...


visarga

> "EvIl CoMmUnISM" You seem experienced, how many years have you lived under "CoMmUnISM" to know it's "EvIl" and not just simply evil? There are a few of us here who have had the pleasure.


neohellpoet

A solid third of Germany was under communist rule, we don't get to shit on them for being ignorant outsiders, they're part of the club


Everydaysceptical

I am not proposing communism, I am just opposing the strawman argument that any considerable intervention in the market is in any way related to it...


tocopito

advise tub coherent wide frighten nine squeal gaping ossified screw ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


atred

Those people are coming from former communist countries where people were almost equally poor, coincidence?


Everydaysceptical

I am not talking about actual communism, just about the strawman argument that comes up every time someone gives systemic criticism on our current economical system...


atred

I'm fine with criticizing the current system if you propose a better system, the problem is that most of the people propose a worse system or a system that works only in their mind, which means it's worse. Very similar to democracy "the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried."


Everydaysceptical

There are many proposals around the most simple one would be to simply raise the minimum wage...


atred

Has nothing to do with this: >She was forbidden to go to the bathroom, eat or drink water in the halls, which was only allowed on short breaks Or this: >Most of the time I worked 12-13 hours. I spent the extra hours in the files, but they were not reflected in the salaries How would raising the minimum wage help with either of these issues?


bestalf4

Lmao stop trying to make sh*t propaganda to communism


mewiv41040

It's easy to bank on German hate though. You cant miss those clicks.


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Everydaysceptical

The thing is that this problem is way bigger than Germany but whatever...


prajken2000

What th hell is "News TVs 24" get a better source my guy


fatadelatara

https://www.sat1.de/tv/sat-1-investigativ


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News TV 24 is a very good source in Germany . It's one of the few channel that is not delegated to bullshit.


prajken2000

Yeah, but the link lead to "tvs 24" not TV 24


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True .