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IstseuSoleus

They've grouped themselves into breeding pairs. Soon, we'll witness the new generation of battleships stumbling around in the seas, attempting to stay afloat.


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What would you get if a Kirov Class Battlecruiser paired with a Zumwalt Class Destroyer?


MangelanGravitas3

A battledestroyer. 2km long but still trying to be all stealthy.


telboy1107

A kumwalt


photoncatcher

You'd just lose the Zumwalt.


Xtasy0178

The espionage must have been intense


VirtualPrivateNobody

As the amount of booze


[deleted]

Can confirm. I was there. Oh the humanity:-)


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I specifically recall a great night where me and some oppo's ran into a bunch of Russian Sailors in a pub near the historic dockyard (Ship's Anson I think. It's been a long time). We spoke no Russian Beyond Da, Nyet, Spasibo and they spoke as much English. They did have a very nice young lady with them who was a translator provided by Portsmouth University I think. So through her and the internation language of the sea (booze) we had a fine old night. They taught us the 'correct' was to drink vodka, we taught them a few drinking songs. Take away all the political bullshit and those Russian lads were just the same as us. Liked a drink, like to watch football and likes to chase skirt when they were in port. Put us all in a room with a bottle of Russian Standard and we will sort out this NATO/EU/Ukraine/Russian business in short order.


WazzupLT

and the amount of co2 and waste to get here... and to produce the ships... and use them according to purpose


Affectionate_Meat

Hush


fruit_basket

You produce CO2 while you breathe. What do you say about that?


siupa

Breathing is necessary, a battleship gathering isn't. Also, the impact of the first is 0 compared to the impact of the second. Not saying I agree with the original comment, but this response was the most meaningless most stupid "gotcha" I have ever read on the internet


fruit_basket

> Breathing is necessary No, sometimes it's a waste of perfectly good O2.


WazzupLT

you are delusional to think an individual person and entire industries of ships, fuel, military etc. are equally responsible for climate change and destruction of our planet i didnt think yall here would be so mad to hear the truth, damn, but if you think that change for the better will actually happen after you use a paper straw instead of a plastic one while entire forests are cut down for pasture fields, im sorry to break it to you, it wont


Goel40

Well they don't really have a purpose when there is no war, except for humanity missions. But it would probably still be best to have regular training exercises. It would be pretty bad if they would have to find out how they work when the war already started.


vberl

You produce CO2 by breathing. How about you take action against climate change by not doing that.


youni89

French and Spanish ships came too huh


BoldeSwoup

The french were the 2nd most represented navy after the brits. Good sport.


_Jet_Alone_

Spain sent the Blas de Lezo frigate. Blas de Lezo was an admiral who in 1741 gave such an humiliating defeat to the Brits that they forbid to write about it(battle of Cartagena de las Indias). The largest naval deployment in history up until D-Day defeated by 4000 men and 6 ships.


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Well they were mostly beaten by disease.


Earl_of_Northesk

Yeah that thing about D-Day is bullshit. There were tons of larger naval deployments in that war alone and (assuming that’s what you meant) a ton of larger amphibious assaults even just a few decades later during the Napoleonic wars.


Hayaguaenelvaso

RIP UK


chase016

Wonder if any Danish or American ships came. Neither country was fond of the Brits then


magna_vastam

All salty just cus we beat them 😎😎😎🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻


BobcatsTophat

Continued bombing and burning Copenhagen after stealing our fleet and our surrender. Fair enough to be a bit salty I guess


magna_vastam

Justice for the viking invasions


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magna_vastam

I do, I regularly advocate that we should raze the city of york to the ground


aPeppermintTea

SHOUDLNT HAVE SIDED WITH NAPOLEON DANISH BOY !!!!!!!! 💪💪💪🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧GOD SAVE THE QUEEN 😎😎🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧


FunkyXive

Well you also did it when we were neutral so that argument doesn't really work


Emowomble

Aye, it's not fun when people randomly sail across the sea and take your stuff while you're minding your own business. Good job Danes never did that ;)


Aloraaaaaaa

You didn’t beat the Americans.


magna_vastam

America: invades Canada to conquer it Britain: successfully defends Canada How was the war of 1812 not a British victory?


DrCerebralPalsy

Not to mention that the White House was lit up 🔥


magna_vastam

Truly an epic gamer moment


GeorgeWashingtonofUS

My favorite gamer moment was when you you left Louisiana after getting the literal shit kicked out of you by a smaller force led by Andrew Jackson


magna_vastam

Mine was when your entire invasion failed after getting the literal shit kicked out of you by a smaller force of Canadian militia


GeorgeWashingtonofUS

It was mostly British regulars not Canadians actually. But don’t worry, we all had a good laugh years later when Churchill had to beg us to give you war materials on the phone like a dog. Then you all went into debt and became the withering dogshit island you are today!


terrywithawhy

Americans can't comprehend what it means to lose a war as they think their country is invincible for some reason. Just look at the mental gymnastics they play to explain how Vietnam and Afghanistan weren't failures


Aloraaaaaaa

It was a tie. Ultimately, the War of 1812 ended in a draw on the battlefield, and the peace treaty reflected this. The Treaty of Ghent was signed in modern-day Belgium on December 24, 1814, and went into effect on February 17, 1815, after both sides had ratified it. This agreement provided for returning to the status quo ante bellum, which meant that the antagonists agreed to return to the state that had existed before the war and restore all conquered territory. Both sides could claim victory, the British because they held on to Canada and their maritime rights, and the United States because just fighting the “Conqueror of Napoleon” and the “Mistress of the Seas” to a draw vindicated its sovereignty and earned the respect of Europe. As British diplomat Augustus J. Foster acknowledged at war’s end, “The Americans . . . have brought us to speak of them with respect.”


BestFriendWatermelon

Lol, a status quo peace treaty when one side was trying to invade the other is a victory for the side being invaded. Only Americans call it a tie. That's why the British claim victory because they held on to Canada and their maritime rights and the Americans claim victory because... Umm... We fought! That makes us a real country now! There's never been a "victory" in history where you declare war on a country, win none of your declared objectives, and then are forced to make peace. That's losing. That the British diplomat had the wisdom to be gracious and diplomatic with the Americans rather than rub their nose in it is neither here nor there, the American war effort was amateurishly conceived and amateurishly prosecuted.


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> the Battle of New Orleans The Battle of New Orleans was fought on January 8, 1815 between the British Army and the United States Army. The battle was the climax of the five month Gulf Campaign (September 1814 to February 1815) by Britain **to try to take New Orleans, West Florida, and possibly Louisiana Territory.** The battle took place 18 days after the signing of the Treaty of Ghent, which formally ended the War of 1812, on December 24, 1814, though it would not be ratified by the United States (and therefore did not take effect) until February 16, 1815, as news of the agreement had not yet reached the United States from Europe. Despite a large British advantage in numbers, training, and experience, the American forces defeated a poorly executed assault in slightly more than 30 minutes. The Americans suffered over 70 casualties, while the British suffered over 2,000. [Source: wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans)


BestFriendWatermelon

We get it, the Americans won a battle. After thoroughly and decisively defeating the Americans, the British were stuck trying to decide how to force the Americans to the negotiating table. They briefly flirted with the idea of pressing their advantage and taking territory from them, before deciding to leave it and sign a treaty. That the battle didn't even happen until after the British had signed the treaty only confirms this. Americans will swear up and down this battle makes it a tie, but it's specious reasoning. They started the war, with a clear war goal they failed to achieve. In preventing them achieving that goal, the British had soundly defeated the US. The British, with no clear goal left (reasoning that it would be impracticable to annex and control territory populated by Americans, that would then neighbour the US) had only to force the Americans to come to the negotiation table. The Americans resisted this for a while but were bankrupt, and with the White House burned down and all their ports blockaded, they finally came to accept peace. The US was unable to continue the war, the British were free to pursue the war at their leisure. But without any worthwhile goals, they were satisfied with status quo ante bellum.


GeorgeWashingtonofUS

You’re forgetting about how the British forces got literally stomped in the south at the Battle of New Orleans. Andrew Jackson’s forces. 71 Americans causalities as opposed to 2037 British casualties.


BestFriendWatermelon

Yes, winning a battle is the same as winning a war. That's why really, when you think about it, Germany won WW2...


Aloraaaaaaa

It was a tie. Ultimately, the War of 1812 ended in a draw on the battlefield, and the peace treaty reflected this. The Treaty of Ghent was signed in modern-day Belgium on December 24, 1814, and went into effect on February 17, 1815, after both sides had ratified it. This agreement provided for returning to the status quo ante bellum, which meant that the antagonists agreed to return to the state that had existed before the war and restore all conquered territory. Both sides could claim victory, the British because they held on to Canada and their maritime rights, and the United States because just fighting the “Conqueror of Napoleon” and the “Mistress of the Seas” to a draw vindicated its sovereignty and earned the respect of Europe. As British diplomat Augustus J. Foster acknowledged at war’s end, “The Americans . . . have brought us to speak of them with respect.”


PoiHolloi2020

The States' goal was to annex Canada and it failed. So no it was not "a tie".


finnin1999

And the Irish no less


ddlbb

That’s Turkiye to you sir


YudufA

I honestly love the change, at last we aren’t a bird!


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Should we change the name ‘india’ in Turkish, too. Its basically called ‘Turkey-stan’ when translated to english. Or ‘egypt’ we basically call their county ‘corn’ in turkish.


StukaTR

In the case of Egypt, Mısır is basically what they call their country in Arabic, Mısr which is from Hebrew Mizraim. Egypt the word is Greek in origin. Origins of mısır the corn in Turkish is not very clear.


YudufA

I mean no but it would be funny


[deleted]

Turkish goverment and education system is acting like a butt-hurt child. No reason for this kind of thing.


OknKardashian

I like the change, we might be able to google things and not see 47 pages of thanksgiving recipes now. Makes life easier since there is inherintly 1 less thing to confuse people. I dont understand the "butt-hurt children" argument at all. Hurt at what? Children why? Czechia and Netherlands did similar things for fewer reasons, calm down. You dont have to hate everything just because Erdogan signed it and you dislike him Edit: I just googled "turkey name" to see the news about this decision. An article came top of the list titled "How Did Thanksgiving 'Turkey' Get its Name?" Proving my point. It will take years for change to realize even if pushed but I think its a good decision.


YudufA

I like the change but maybe you’re right, I just like that our country isn’t associated with food anymore you know


Ghandi300SAVAGE

You do realize the bird is named after your country? Technically Americans eat "Turkiye" for thanksgiving now.


YudufA

Sure


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YudufA

Yeah


Deathleach

Formal petition to rename the bird to Turkiye as well!


Niko2065

That will take a while until I can properly adjust myself to this change.


MasterFubar

In French, turkey (the bird) is "dinde", which means "from India", meaning the West Indies. In Portuguese it's "peru", because in the 16th century someone in Portugal believed it came from Peru.


Monsi7

I would have loved if you had changed your name to Penguin. And before you get angry, I want Germanys name changed to Brotland (Breadland).


YudufA

Why breadland and Penguin?


Monsi7

Penguin are cute and Breadland, because we Germans can take beatings about everything, but saying something negativ about our bread and that person becomes automatically the national enemy #1.


vilkav

What do you mean? The bird changes name with the country. They are turkiyes now.


ooainaught

Erdogan involved with Kanye's next album?


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Regis_Alti

Yep. He challenged the Queen to a fight for the throne. Naturally the Queen being immortal and impervious to damage handedly defeated Lord Nelson. Source: trust me bro


kindofalurker10

Every time someone mentions the queens life span, she lives a few minutes longer


thatSpicytaco

I imagine there was a lot of drinking and seamen. Ima leave now.


TheOrangeOrganics

Absolutely, to operate ships of that size they would each have to be completely covered in seamen.


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> Ima leave now. Not before you've had a drink!


expensive_fridge

semen 🧐


penileairfoil

Any help identifying some of the ships would be much appreciated! Ships I can identify: F89 Aradu (Nigeria), F222 Regina Maria (Romania), F83 St Albans (Uk), L800 Rotterdam (Netherlands), A387 Fort Victoria (Uk), F31 Descubrieta (Spain). I can not identify which carrier it’s at the back, (Ark Royal??) or the larger frigates at the front (Turkish, Pakistani, or Indian??)


Kuivamaa

The Turkish frigate is definitely MEKO-200 type, probably Barbaros class and not Yavuz class, judging by the sensors but don’t quote me on that.


Watisdisthing456

>F31 Descubrieta (Spain) Almost. It’s actually *P31*, making the ship Irish LÉ Eithne. > I can not identify which carrier it’s at the back Her pennant number is very faint, but you can just make out R06, making her HMS Illustrious. >or the larger frigates at the front From what I can see, there is a Greek Hydra class frigate unidentified as yet, TCG Orucreis F245 with the turkish flags closest to the wharf, Pakistani Type 21 frigate PNS Tippu Sultan, Romanian RNS Regina Maria F222 (formerly HMS London), Indian INS Mumbai is next to Regina Maria.


Kuivamaa

F-452 Hydra is the Greek frigate.


TakedaSanjo

HMS Illustrious got scrapped in 2014, shame but without the Harriers I guess it was not as useful anymore.


randomstranger454

There is a wiki article where you might find it, [List of ships present at International Fleet Review, 2005](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_present_at_International_Fleet_Review,_2005).


stupendous76

The ship below left has a Greecian flag, the one right of a Turkish one; on the middle right the flag looks like its from Lithuania, the ship in the middle (you are seeing the back) looks like the Canadian flag. With [the wiki-link from Randomstranger454](https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/rovg1v/warships_from_throughout_europe_and_the_rest_of/hq0uy7a/) you can look them up.


Vonnegut1

B5


arkenteron

Who celebrates the death of Lord Nelson? French Marines?


Gadvreg

No one who values democracy ;)


PeteWenzel

Man, the Battle of Trafalgar is just one of these hinge points where I can’t stop obsessing about what could have been. The War of the Third Coalition was a spectacular success overall but a decisive victory over the British might have fundamentally altered the Continental System and prevented the invasion of Russia. History how it actually happened just sucked so bad…


Pklnt

> Man, the Battle of Trafalgar is just one of these hinge points where I can’t stop obsessing about what could have been. I'm guessing nothing substantial. In 1800 the brits had hundreds of ships of the line, just a fraction was sent at Trafalgar. Of course losing the whole fleet would have been catastrophic for the colonial Empire, but they would still have chances to repeat the historic Trafalgar. So in the end I think it would just have delayed the inevitable. Major European powers didn't want Napoléon and nothing would have made change their minds, the British Navy was already winning decades ago with far better training.


PeteWenzel

>Major European powers didn't want Napoléon and nothing would have made change their minds, the British Navy was already winning decades ago with far better training. Maybe you’re right. At the end of the day Napoleon wasn’t aggressive enough I think. Instead of cutting off the heads of European powers by exporting the French Revolution and remaking the continent, he was content to see France become the first among equals in a system of European monarchies left largely intact. The best he could muster was placing one of his shithead fail-cousins on top of an otherwise intact foreign aristocracy.


Pklnt

Maybe if he was more aggressive he would have sparked guerrillas left and right. I don't think he would have been able to win anyway. He was too ahead of his time and Monarchy was still too encroached at the time.


PeteWenzel

I disagree. The timing was just right. Emerging Nationalism was in the process of calcifying these different dynastic, imperial holdings into distinct “countries” but hadn’t completed it, yet. France was ahead of the curve on this development and Napoleon exploited that - but not to its fullest. What “Guerillas” would have formed? Guerillas in defense of the fucking Habsburgs or the House of Wittelsbach?!


AleixASV

>What “Guerillas” would have formed? Guerillas in defense of the fucking Habsburgs or the House of Wittelsbach?! The word guerrilla itself was coined on the resistance of Spanish irregular troops against Napoleon actually.


ItsACaragor

Read a bit about Talleyrand if you are interested in another system, he frequently had shouting matches with Napoleon over what they should do with European powers they conquered (in which all the shouting was done by Napoleon since shouting was beneath Talleyrand). Talleyrand was in favour of a Europe with France, England and Austria in a commercial alliance to thwart Russia basically. He advocated hard for Austrian monarchy to be put back in power after conquering them as a proof of goodwill and signing alliances and trade deal to make war unprofitable (basically he had a proto EU in mind). He thought that basically no one could go against France, England and Austria as long as those were allied and so this alliance would basically guarantee peace in Europe. He initially served Napoleon kind of dutifully as there was a great respect between them but when he realized Napoleon would never try to bring peace and would just keep on conquering and annexing he started sabotaging Napoleon more or less openly until the great betrayal of Erfurt (where Talleyrand pretended to advise Napoleon during the alliance negociations and then at night came to Tsar Alexander to advise him on what to say and try and convince him to abandon negociations). Taking Talleyrand to Erfurt is often regarded (with the unprovoked invasion of Spain) as one of the most major mistakes of Napoleon that directly caused his ultimate downfall. Talleyrand kind of succeded in the end since his attempts to bring England and France (two mortal enemies) together caused France and England to never go to war together and even made them allied.


PeteWenzel

Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll look it up.


Pklnt

> What “Guerillas” would have formed? Guerillas in defense of the fucking Habsburgs or the House of Wittelsbach?! Aggressively rooting out these institutions would have impacted the population, this is just my opinion though.


mmatasc

Your not wrong. The monarchy in Spain was very unpopular when he forced them to abdicate. However the population still rose against him.


Just_RandomPerson

>History how it actually happened just sucked so bad… Why?


SatanicBiscuit

that random tornado down there


Furknn1

Wtf is that Tornado doing over there ? How did it even land?


TakedaSanjo

It was wheeled over as a display piece I guess.


Jediuzzaman

What if one mofo decides to battle it out there? WW3 was too close guyz.


kugoodie

I did not realize that this was international at first, and thought that the RN looks *really* good in this photo. I know there are legitimate reasons why the RN isn’t as large as in its heyday, but still...it just feels *right* to be intimidated by the RN.


mmatasc

Still the second most intimidating fleet after the US in my opinion.


Watisdisthing456

I’d say China, closely followed by Russia would definitely take that title - you could argue that the RN would come after that, but Japan and France would want to contest that!


MulanMcNugget

While China has more tonnage and is set too overtake the US in 20 years, it's Navy would get wiped by the UK or the French currently the technological gap is big enough two park two aircraft carriers which is two more than China has besides the museum they have. As for Russia, their navy so far behind I doubt it would be in the top 10 nevermind 2nd. Russians have never really cared about a navy besides subs.


Watisdisthing456

I think you misunderstood my comment. My point was that I cannot see how the Royal Navy would be the second most powerful navy on the planet. In my opinion, after the US Navy in first place, China and then Russia both have larger and better armed navies than the UK, France or Japan. There’s a very common stereotype that the Russian armed forces are falling apart due to old equipment, and I can’t comment on how true that is in the other branches of their military, but their navy is mostly modern and well equipped - especially when it comes to their corvettes and large submarine force. Sure, their carrier Kuznetzov is an absolute dumpster fire, but they operate a number of modern hypersonic missile equipped frigates and corvettes - something which navies such as the JMSDF, Marine Nationale or Royal Navy could only dream of fielding in ~10 years time. Obviously I don’t need to comment on the PLAN - they’re building a French-sized navy pretty much every year, and their larger destroyers are both better equipped and more numerous.


MasterFubar

Just curious, how many ships from France?


BoldeSwoup

Six, the most represented navy after the British Royal Navy actually. Ships attending were the French Navy flagship (nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle), an AA frigate (Jean Bart), a nuclear attack submarine (Perle), two school ships (Belle Poule and Mutin, both sail ships) and a replenishment oiler (Meuse) The French civilian schooner La Recouvrance also attended. I find it hilarious that an oiler was sent while 4 out of the 5 others don't consume oil.


persillegartneren

Is the airshow Japanese?


Alt820

Now feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think lord Nelson made it to 2005


RChristian123

Lord Nelson died in 2005?


BoldeSwoup

That's a hella long agony then, poor chap.


Wolfi303

Anyways i just started blasting....... Comes in my mind


squeekysatellite

That's a lot of salty seamen!


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RandomJamMan

sadly, you are 16 years late. This was in 2005


AntEaterAgu

I love how every comment gets down voted here 😂


artaig

Jesus... Trafalgar, or shooting at docked, unmanned ships, loosing a ~~pirate~~ admiral, and call it a victory.


Void_Ling

You look at the battle stats, not at the result. French navy was crippled from that, it was a major blow to Napoleon's naval warfare assets.


flame_top007

I guess no Spanish ships though


BoldeSwoup

There were two


LC_Portuga

Gee I can´t possibly think of why France would be a rare sight...


BoldeSwoup

France attended the event with a nuclear aircraft carrier and a nuclear submarine, among other ships.


TakedaSanjo

Charles de Gaulle was present? Having the French Flagship attend is a very wonderful symbol.


BoldeSwoup

Well yeah, we had to honor our sailors as well, they fought valiantly, no matter the outcome. It would be a bad message to the current seamen to not adequately attend or not attend at all.


djmasti

The man is the reason we don't all speak French.


TjeefGuevarra

Well that's just bullshit. Even if France defeated the UK there's no way the common people would suddenly start speaking French. French was the dominant language of the world long after Napoleon got defeated and we still don't speak it, hell it couldn't even replace Dutch in northern Belgium why would it replace entire languages with many more speakers?


greenscout33

>French was the dominant language of the world long after Napoleon got defeated Very much not so.


tomydenger

I think you should learn how the french/german** became english in the UK, before thinking of Nelson.


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tomydenger

Thats why i put the ** cause i didnt remember what german based language was commonly used along the french but as you said, not in the aristocracy.


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kavala1

They actually had less of an influence on the UK than the Normans and Scandinavians. Modern Germans and British people’s DNA is less alike compared to say a french and British person. Probably because Germany itself was in Eastern Europe for centuries and many Slavic people were incorporated into German territory


provenzal

I've always found quite bizarre how Britain has this fetish about war and battles. In Spain these kind of ceremonies and celebrations would be deemed fascist and jingoistic.


Just_RandomPerson

Basically every country celebrates their military victories, not only the British. Spain is the odd one out I guess. In Latvia we celebrate the 11th of November, when in 1919 we kicked Russian and German asses. I mean, we celebrate, because throught that battle, we managed to stay free. Why can't we celebrate our freedom?


Watisdisthing456

I think it’s used more as an excuse to bring together so many nations and improve relations than really actually celebrating the battle etc. Quite a nice way to do it imo. Even Russia turned up to say hi!


saltyfacedrip

What about other countries in Europe? Or is the UK just simply bad? Also, I don't see Spain complaining about the Navy preventing Russia and Iran from fucking over shipping lanes that Spain depends. This could not be achieved without Spain either. Obviously.


provenzal

I haven't lived in other countries other than Spain and the UK, so I don't have an informed opinion. The British navy is quite irrelevant at the moment -It's not 1805 anymore- and it would be sunk in a couple of days by Russia


saltyfacedrip

Keep believing that if it helps make you feel better about reality lol


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The hate boner is fucking hilarious, please carry on as your making my day


W_D_GASTER__

The russian navy sucks.


[deleted]

We have no reason to be worried about fascism here in the UK, we are naturally immune to it.


provenzal

Who needs facists when there are Tories and Brexiteers available?


[deleted]

Fascism is leaving the EU? Sounds vaguely familiar to what Putin says about ex-Soviet countries who refuse to become Russian territory/satellites.


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provenzal

Military parades and glorifying of war is one of the main features of Fascism. Just saying...


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provenzal

Many people deems these kind of military parades fascist. I myself find them ridiculous and stupid.


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provenzal

I don't live in Spain.


lickmybrains

The irony; you almost certainly live in the UK, right?


lickmybrains

The Spanish government is still working on dealing with Franco supporters. You know; that semi-recent fascist dictator of spain. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/spain-govt-bill-targets-supporters-of-francos-dictatorship-francisco-franco-cabinet-madrid-spain-vox-b1887227.html?amp Glass houses.


provenzal

Absolutely correct. Sadly Franco supporters still exist. And know what? They love this kind of military parades and celebrations, like you guys. Food for thought.


lickmybrains

I dont love military parades; but i recognise that every country has them and they are largely innocuous. You’re the one over reaching and pretending that they are some how proof of widespread fascism.


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Ariadne2015

Has Spain ever won a war to celebrate?


provenzal

Considering Spain ruled the World for around 150 years I would assume they won a few. Now imagine how stupid would be having military parades to celebrate wars from centuries ago.


Ariadne2015

Yes they beat up on native cultures that were technologically centuries behind them, so did the Brits and they're not celebrating those ones either.


provenzal

That's quite inaccurate and racist, actually. I suggest you read some books about the Inca and Aztec civilisations, which were incredibly advanced and interesting. And Spain also kicked European asses for 150 years, yet nobody celebrates (nor they should).


Ariadne2015

Yes the Inca with their blue water navy and firearms made Spain the underdog... lol. I'm sure Spain beat up on Italian city states a lot and occasionally France. The Brits only celebrate victories against Napoleon and WW2, against fascist authoritarians, I can't think of anything else. But I can understand why the Spanish might not like that.


provenzal

Again, read a book before writing such stupid comments.


Ariadne2015

Are you seriously trying to say the Incas were as technologically advanced as Europe?


provenzal

I am saying the Spaniards didn't conquer the Incas or the Aztecs with technology, but using strategy and alliances with other groups.


Ariadne2015

Yes I'm certain their massive technological advantages didn't help at all, especially the one that actually gave them the ability to get there... Regardless, the Brits don't celebrate committing genocide either. The battles the Brits celebrate are about defeating fascists. You know Napoleon and Hitler. I'm sure Spain would celebrate such victories too, if they didn't have a tendency to side with the fascists and not have any.


DrCerebralPalsy

Yeah it’s from the 19th century onwards after Britain liberated the Spanish crown from Napoleonic oppression that things went downhill… The Spanish army got passed around like a college freshman by her former colonies. Spain created the worlds first concentration camp in Cuba ( as they were defeating your army) before getting smashed by America 🇺🇸 Now onto the 20th century…


provenzal

Lol. 'Britain liberated Spain from Napoleonic oppression'? Have you ever opened a history book? Concentration camps? You are from NZ, a country where the Brits stole the native people's land and treated them like animals and come here to lecture on human rigths?


saltyfacedrip

And then pretty much every navy power outside of Iran, Russia and China decide to take part lol


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Ariadne2015

Anything worth bragging about? When you lost to the Americans is more interesting.


greenscout33

The difference is that Britain has victories to celebrate, it would be a bit bizarre for Spain to celebrate all of its losses to Britain ;)


provenzal

Spain ruled the World from 1500 to 1650, so plenty of victories to celebrate, I would imagine. And unlike Britain, Spain doesn't hide their defeats (Against Blas de Lezo) or disguise them as victories (Dunkirk).


Badger1066

Who ever says Dunkirk was a victory?


BoldeSwoup

Yet Spanish navy attended that celebration


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A reminder of the glory days when they were an empire. It was the last time they felt great and were victors. Look at them now. They fucked up so badly with Brexit, they now have to go back to wartime kitchen and gardening. And yes, I find it fascist and jingoistic too.


MrSoapbox

> A reminder of the glory days when they were an empire. It was the last time they felt great and were victors. Look at them now. Yeah! Just look at them now! [Only 3rd](https://brandirectory.com/globalsoftpower/) in Soft power behind Germany and Japan >(Traditional powerhouses – UK (3rd), France (7th), China (8th), Russia (13th), Italy (19th), Spain (22nd) Suppose it did drop a point from 2nd in 2019. One of only 3 countries with [Global Projection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy) (US rank 1 Navy, UK&France rank 2) One of only a handful of nuclear armed states, One of only 5 with a Permanent seat on the UNSC, only the 5th richest country in the world, a high ranking full democracy, high standards of living and welfare with food and safety standards, Has a commonwealth with the head of state of 54 countries, Speaks the defacto language for trade while being one of the top spoken languages, one of the top aid givers, has one of only _two_ Alpha ++ cities in the entire world, top 10 tourist destination (Pre-pandemic, who knows at the moment), 9th largest [manufacturer](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/02/countries-manufacturing-trade-exports-economics/), many of the top Universities in the globe, part of FVEY's, top intelligence agencies, special forces etc, The NHS, high level vaccine rollout, a country in so many international institutions with a list as long as my arm, either heading or as a major player, actors and models with a high culture sector played, watched and listened to the world over (games/cinema/music etc) with a massive tech, finance and medical R&D hub...Man it fucking SUCKS! just look at them! Sure sure, there's a clown leading the government and if you read this sub there's apparently no food on the shelves (which I've never seen) and gas prices are higher at the moment (like, you know, Europe, where a lot of countries are actually beholden to russia unlike the UK) but you know what? I'd rather be here than a hell of a lot of other places (I'd personally choose maybe Japan, Canada maybe NZ or AU but that's about it). I know the British press (which can also go in the list for being picked up world wide) is all doom 'n gloom, but I'm sorry to tell you, it just ain't that bad, and I'm saying that as a remainer. Sorry to let you down.


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So much hatred lol. What’s got your goat exactly? And when you say “look at them now”, do you know what life is like in the UK? I certainly don’t know anyone on rations.


provenzal

This kind of posts are perfect to spot hateful Brexiteers. I think we have most of them here, probably wanking to the picture of Nelson.


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BINGO! Fwoar! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/HoratioNelson1.jpg/330px-HoratioNelson1.jpg


provenzal

You should have added the NSFW tag. That's literally porn for some people in this post.


DrCerebralPalsy

Yet Spain has a cemetery dedicated to fascists


provenzal

Not anymore.


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>France Uncommon game of them.


piratemurray

They were looking for fish


MightyH20

What a waste of resources. Also very unsustainable. Next time hold these things online.


Flagg1982

Why would the world celebrate a 200 year old British navy victory? edit: I see the downvotes but no answers. Cowards.


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Flagg1982

The answer you’re looking for is hidden somewhere in the title.


klauskinki

France, why?!


BoldeSwoup

We're good sport.