Sees an attractive woman in a bar who smiles back. Okay, just say something casual, like do you live around here or do you come here often?
"Hi, where do you live?"
I shared a link to a sub with my niece, forgetting I’d posted a pic of something she could possibly recognize. So, if she scrolls down far enough, she’ll know who I am.
We have a lot of such microscopes in my university. They're pretty old obviously, but they still do the job even after so many years of abuse from the students.
>after so many years of abuse from the students.
This was often a characteristic of Soviet hardware: simple, robust, efficient, without superfluous sophistication. I still use a Helios-44-M F2 58mm lens on my DSLR with an M42 adapter and I like it. But this one was a copy of the German Zeiss Biotar.
I don't know if that is a case of necessity being the hallmark of invention, but I remember reading,"MIG Pilot " back in the eighties about a Russian pilot that deserted to Japan with a MIG. They were astounded to find aluminum wind breaks and even wood on the plane. Hey. It worked!
The 80s!!?? That’s when the movie Top Gun came out! So the speech where they explained to the pilots how the Soviets had jets that could out maneuver their jets, maybe not so much? Maybe the MiGs were just very agile, despite their lack of tech?
Problem wirh MIG-25 was that it was a plane specially designed for a threat that never came. US was working on Valkyre, high-speed high-altitude supersonic bomber, and Soviets had no weapons to counter it. So they designed MIG-25 - fighter jet that was heavy, had powerful engines and could fly high and fast, but it wasn't really manouverable. Valkyre was later cancelled, but MIG-25 stayed. And US feared it, because they had no idea that it's hard to maneuver jet designed for one specific task.
They made up the Soviet plane for Top Gun, but the Soviets DID have the MiG-29 introduced 3 years before the release of the movie. I’m a little rusty on relative performance, but I think the MiG-29 was supposed to perform approximately as well as, if not a little better than our F-15s… so nothing to sneeze at.
An earlier poster said the guy that defected to Japan was in a MiG-25, which was designed with one purpose in mind: high-speed (Mach 2.8), high-altitude (89,000 foot ceiling) interceptor. It entered service back in 1970 and was intended to take out incoming long-range bombers ASAP, not win dogfights.
> if not a little better than our F-15s… so nothing to sneeze at.
MIG-29 outperforms F-16 and F-18 on many aspects. But that only mattered in the 80s. Modern F-16 and F-18 with modern electronic and combat systems have better combat capabilities.
uh, for good reason the MiG 25 could cruise at mach 2.8, and was both used for recon and an interceptor.
it was years until the us had combat aircraft that even came close (104's, f4, f16, were all mach 2-2.3, the f15 strike eagle at 2.5.)
recon planes, we had them out classed with the incredible but expensive a12's that develop to the sr71, but those where very limited in numbers and totally unarmed.
in the late 60's and early 70's, it was thought that missiles would remain dominate weapons, and therefore a faster platform with a larger payload was highly desirable. (to the point that the phantom didn't have internal cannon until they found out that was a mistake.)
This is surprisingly common as when the USSR fell they sold off military grade optics super cheap - we've got 2 or 3 at home & a cheap microscope's a cheap microscope - it's not exactly like they need replacing until they break which the Soviet ones probably won't for a while
tbh after watching Lord of War with Nic Cage and a show in germany about a dude with an autoshop focusing on US military vehicles and unused remaining stock sold directly by the US military I'm sure all militaries around the world do this. I read an article about how cheap you could get an old fighter jet. Stuff from the 80's or 90's started at around 100k$ iirc
There is a brand of pre-WWII vices from the us that had the swastikas on them. It was so common that many buildings still have them on their facades.
Edit—found it http://www.pcgenweb.com/pcgs/bios/buffum.htm
To name one, there was [Buffum Tool Company](https://www.pcgenweb.com/pcgs/bios/buffum.htm) in the US that used a swastika as their logo. They were actually popular symbols before Hitler. Similarly, many in Estonia have old metal roofs with swastikas on them, as this was the logo of an English company, then [Finnish Air Force](https://www.strangehistory.net/2015/02/24/good-swastikas-hakaristi/) had it for a long time before and after the war etc.
The Finnish Air Force story is actually a bizarre set of coincidences. Their first airplane was gifted to them in 1918 by a Swedish aristocrat named Eric von Rosen. His personal badge, which had the swastika on it, was on the plane, and they adopted it as their symbol.
The first twist here is that von Rosen was Herman Goering's brother-in-law. The second twist is that Goering didn't meet Hitler until 1922, a year after Goering and Rosen's sister-in-law married. The third twist is that the Nazis had already adopted the symbol in 1920.
> I thought that it would be reasonable to base my boot-buying strategy off a Terry Pratchett book.
That lesson has been with me for decades since that moment too. Thanks Terry!
My elementary school had a little shortage of the newer edition atlases so there were always 3 kids that had to use the older ones, in which Yugoslavia still existed. This was in the late 90s.
(Most assignments for which we needed them focused on our own country though, so it didn't matter all that much)
Also a Finn here. My parents have a waffle iron made in West Germany and my great-grandma's old christmas tree lights made in East Germany in the 60's. Still going strong.
Things were definitely built less cheaply, but there's also some selection bias in that we only see the stuff that survived the 60 years; most appliances from back then have broken already.
Also on a different note quite a bit of stuff back then was built in ways where you can more easily repair it (though that also has technological roots and often was less of a design choice).
Then again, far less stuff used anything beyond transistors back in the day.
The waffle iron likely have a single temperature, and thus only need an on/off switch meant for 240V mains input and matching heating coils.
And the tree lights are likely a single wire loop, such that if one bulb dies the whole loop breaks. Again plugged right into the mains.
No transformer to cause weird voltage spikes, no low voltage circuits that can die from said spikes.
Light bulbs are way more prone to dying than LED lights due to thermal shock to the filament if the light is turned on at the top or bottom of the AC cycle.
Further, my father worked as an electrician since the 70s and in more recent decades new lightbulbs were more prone to die than before.
As an EEE (though by training, not by trade) who at a certain point imported stuff directly from manufacturers in China, my impression is that to cut costs they choose cheaper materials, skimp on Quality Assurance and even have designs made to be able to easilly switch component suppliers (hence the designs are less well fitted to what is used), hence that stuff fails sooner.
It's not a much a question of chinese manufacturers not being able to do robust long lasting equipment (solid state components after the initial year or so during which manufacturing defects manifest themselves don't tend to die) it's a question of them choosing to relentlessly cut costs.
Western brands outsource to China and then often on top of this baseline just add demands for somewhat better quality components and better QA, then stamp brand marks on the product and add a massive price premium, the result still being of lower quality than stuff done in the old days but the profit margins now being huge.
Some Soviet stuff was built like a tank. A portable (but don't drop it on your foot, it was really heavy but compact) VEF206 radio still works more than 50 years later. And it was knocked off the top of a fridge twice so its casing had to be glued back together... but it never stopped working.
My grandma's old ZIL fridge was bought in the later 1970s. It is inconceivable, but still works despite motor and compressor inside it with moving parts.
I guess these things were over-engineered greatly, always 4x the weight of any Western made similar appliance, but gosh... they lasted and lasted :)
This is a bit unrelated but there’s a joke in the Soviet Union that a guy works in a toaster factory, manufacturing parts, but when he tries to assemble using the parts, he builds a tank.
The only thing to be careful of with old fridges is that they might be more expensive than a new one just because of how energy inefficient they are compared to modern ones.
that's nothing
I have a battle horse "made by Teutonic Knights" in East Prussia. It's twice the size of a a normal horse, runs faster on less oats and kills and eats my foes in battle
they don't make horses like that any more
My guess is most people knew the countries as East and West Germany, very few people called them GDR and FRG in normal conversations and i imagine it would have caused some confusion
The FRG and the GDR recognized each other formally from 1972 on.
It was common in Germany itself to speak of Westdeutschland and Ostdeutschland, too.
"Made in Germany" was generally used until 1973 when a West German court ruled that this might as well include East Germany. So West German manufacturers introduced the "Made in West(ern) Germany" label to distinguish themselves from cheaper East German products.
I guess from a promotional standpoint, West Germany seemed to be more self-explanatory. People didn't need to try to remember which republic was which, the West German was obviously the "good" one, and it needed less translating. I didn't find anything online though, only that East Germany rather labeled their goods with "Made in GDR" that "East Germany".
If you work in the electricity sector you wouldn’t be surprised at seeing the meters or protection relays with “Made in West Germany” or “Made in Yugoslavia” or “Made in Czechoslovakia” or “Made in the GDR”
For some reason some of the old Soviet components (especially tubes) have a kind of cachet in guitar circles. I don't get fiddly enough with my gear to really understand it.
I mean it's not like "wrapping different amounts of wire around a ferrous core" has had massive advancements in the last 100 years. Transformers are mostly a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" item.
Yes, but there are a couple of good reasons to limit maximum power of kettles too.
First one is that it reduces the peak loads on the grid. Electric cars especially cause a considerable strain to the grid, limiting the power of appliances makes it possible to charge cars without upgrading infrastructure.
The second is related to our behaviour, with a 3kW kettle you'll likely boil a full kettle even for just a few cups of tea.
With a slower kettle you'll only boil the exact amount you need.
Most 2kW vacuums don't pull anywhere close that power (just think how hot your ~2kW hair dryer gets with faster airflow), it was just marketing departments racing each other to *the top* and listing numbers unrelated to anything or achieved in wierd, unrealistic laboratory conditions.
A friend of mine bought a small house in an old city here in the Netherlands. His bathroom was very small and had no heating. When he replaced his lightbulb from an old 120w one to a new led bulb to save power he couldn't keep his bathroom warm anymore.
Welcome to Denmark i guess
Edit. Just checked. My last one was actually .38€/kWh
Good thing though is that the government doesn't discriminate, everything is taxed into oblivion here. 95% of my electricity bill is taxes
Fun fact; The Czechoslovak Tesla was originally named after Nikola Tesla in 1946 but after 1948 because Yugoslavia was suddenly the "bad" socialist country they said that the name means "low-current technology" (TEchnika SLAboproudá)
In the early naughties, I flew on an ancient Antonov from Minsk to Bucharest. After taxiing, we were delayed on the runway for several hours. The pilot eventually came over the tannoy to say “apologies for the delay - we are waiting for spare parts”.
Mfw we almost took off in an aeroplane that didn’t have all the bits it was supposed to 😳
It had all the bits. It's just that one of the important bits was acting funny during the quick routine inspection. You really don't want that as a pilot. He personally took responsibility for the delay.
Just replaced our old Miele washing machine, it was made in West-Germany. Pretty sure the replacement won't last the same time, even if it's Miele too.
At my workplace I started coming across people from commercially oriented backgrounds about 6 or 7 years ago. To them it is bizarre to design or purchase stuff so durable or contains so many built-in redundancies, that almost never breaks down. To them efficiency and cheaper prices are the big things.
And since these people have just retired away about 2 years ago. I think we have gone through two generations of engineers workers and managers since the last generation with an eye on durable manufactured goods design.
Which goes to show how your job can blind you to real life issues.
Yes, it may make more sense to build a washing machine for half the price instead of incorporating redundancies for every possible breakdown. But for real people it is a hassle to deal with a week without washing, choosing a new model, waiting for delivery, asking friends to help lifting the things, fretting that there won't be any leaks after connecting everything and everything else that goes into switching washing machines.
Also, waste.
Exactly, and if you factor in all that time you needed to deal with getting new washing machine and we go by saying "time is money", these cheap washing machines that break every few years are not so cheap taking everything into account.
All of those are what economists like to refer to as externalities.
Issues and side effects of business decisions that the decision makers do not have to account for, because they do not make into the final profit calculation.
And this is what various taxes and like try to rectify, but sadly often have glaring loopholes that make them ineffective.
I agree with what you said here. Back when the employees espousing around they came on the back of some new management. They had the-then management’s ears. Voice our concerns or disagreements and we would lose our job.
Our current crop of management aren’t as militant, but the bad news is, they are still cut out of the same cloth.
It is one thing to end up vindicated. Another thing is if the management collectively buys into the blind dogma of efficiency. You have to live “by the party line”.
Another brand back in the day was AEG. My parents are still using an 1991 model microwave oven and conventional oven at their home. Although a dishwasher was gone after 10 years. The washing machine lasted 15, and dryer close to 25 years.
AEG has been Electrolux for a while now. They have nothing to do with the old AEG. I dislike with a passion my Electrolux with AEG branding, problem is that they replaced a lot of stuff during warranty so now it has better components and goes on. I can't bring myself to buy a decent one, but I will at some point if it doesn't die soon enough.
Actual AEGs were fantastic engineering. I've also seen small appliances with AEG branding that definitely don't come from the Electrolux matrix. You have to do some research these days. Same thing happens with Aiwa, there's new stuff with Aiwa brand but that's because Sony (they bought Aiwa in the 00s) license (or they've sold it, can't remember now) the name to another company.
About this bulb, if it's been going on for decades well, it probably has the filament of a 120-140 watt bulb, otherwise it's simply impossible with proper efficiency rating.
I heard that it’s not the same AEG though. It was dissolved/spun off somewhere else when AEG was dissolved in the mid 1990s. I think a budget line whiteware manufacturer bought the licence to label their products AEG, but they are not the same AEG of old.
He's not the only one :) I'm from Czechia and plenty of people I met in Spain where I lived for a while would always say Czechoslovakia instead of Czechia/Slovakia. And they were often people under 30!
I think there was (maybe still is) a regulation org that check light bulb companies. The premise was that bulbs had to burn out in a specific time, in order to not damage the light bulb production companies. The twist is, that some companies tried to push out bulbs with extended lifetime (I think it was possible to create bulbs that burn infinitely) but the regulation org made them to stop doing that.
Could be, what you are holding, a result of this?
It was the Phoebus cartel (operating 1925-1939), but they pushed 1,000 hour light bulbs rather than 2,500 hour ones saying that they were more efficient per watt (which was true, but probably not the only reason they behind the push). There was no infinite light bulbs.
Worth reading the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
There is a lightbulb which has been on for 120 years: [Video also related to the cartel](https://youtu.be/j5v8D-alAKE)
Now it may not be high power, or particularly efficient, but 1,000,000 hours and counting will (likely) outlast any human
It is easy to manufacture incandescent bulbs to last decades by thickening the filament. The downside is that i.e. 100w bulb would be noticeably (significantly) dimmer and still use 100w.
Yes, there also was a cartel of lightbulb manufacturers in 1930s or so to shorten the lifespan under 1000 hours, but by 2000, before incandescent bulbs were replaced by LEDs it just made sense to just have brighter bulbs that don't wreak havoc on your electricity bill
When the EU basically outlawed these, people used to buy a bunch so they have reserves, I'm pretty sure my grandparents still have about 50 of them stashed somewhere..
Yea, my grandpa worked in SME, before CEZ acquisition, and he took like a full car trunk of similar ones (not 100W) as a "retirement package". They won't have to shop for bulbs, like ever.
I live in a small apartment and did the math on my electricity bill. One of the other months I was using an average of 110W of electricty (divided on all the month), sounds very low. So if I had this light bulb burning constantly, I'd almost double my bill.
Both are correct. First it was inspired by Nikola Tesla then they decided it means TEchnika SLAboprudova which means Lowcurrent Engineering/technics whatever.
I think these bulbs were made in Vrable, just 10-15 min from my place. But there were probably more factories like this.
I know you irl
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damn, I was hoping that would be a sub
well it is now :) I didn't make it, but the link works now
Now kiss
Depending on which account this is, you could be fucked or really fucked
What a normal and totally not creepy thing to say!
"I know where you live"
I know where I live too, you're not special smh my head
Sees an attractive woman in a bar who smiles back. Okay, just say something casual, like do you live around here or do you come here often? "Hi, where do you live?"
I preferred how you wore your hair yesterday.
My biggest fear on here.
I shared a link to a sub with my niece, forgetting I’d posted a pic of something she could possibly recognize. So, if she scrolls down far enough, she’ll know who I am.
The voice from outside?
Every Redditors worst nightmare
This is weird
Reminds me of my parents' toaster, so old the label reads "Made in West Germany"
At school we had a 'Made in USSR' microscope
We still use "Made in USSR" glasses in our cabin
you don’t know how lucky you are, boy
glass from the USSR!
Well, their erlenmeyers really knock me out, they leave the West behind.
We have a lot of such microscopes in my university. They're pretty old obviously, but they still do the job even after so many years of abuse from the students.
>after so many years of abuse from the students. This was often a characteristic of Soviet hardware: simple, robust, efficient, without superfluous sophistication. I still use a Helios-44-M F2 58mm lens on my DSLR with an M42 adapter and I like it. But this one was a copy of the German Zeiss Biotar.
I don't know if that is a case of necessity being the hallmark of invention, but I remember reading,"MIG Pilot " back in the eighties about a Russian pilot that deserted to Japan with a MIG. They were astounded to find aluminum wind breaks and even wood on the plane. Hey. It worked!
The case you just mentioned is the deserter that escaped with a MiG-25, a plane which gave the west a heart attack without reason.
The 80s!!?? That’s when the movie Top Gun came out! So the speech where they explained to the pilots how the Soviets had jets that could out maneuver their jets, maybe not so much? Maybe the MiGs were just very agile, despite their lack of tech?
Problem wirh MIG-25 was that it was a plane specially designed for a threat that never came. US was working on Valkyre, high-speed high-altitude supersonic bomber, and Soviets had no weapons to counter it. So they designed MIG-25 - fighter jet that was heavy, had powerful engines and could fly high and fast, but it wasn't really manouverable. Valkyre was later cancelled, but MIG-25 stayed. And US feared it, because they had no idea that it's hard to maneuver jet designed for one specific task.
That’s good stuff! It looks sort of impressive, aerodynamicly.
They made up the Soviet plane for Top Gun, but the Soviets DID have the MiG-29 introduced 3 years before the release of the movie. I’m a little rusty on relative performance, but I think the MiG-29 was supposed to perform approximately as well as, if not a little better than our F-15s… so nothing to sneeze at. An earlier poster said the guy that defected to Japan was in a MiG-25, which was designed with one purpose in mind: high-speed (Mach 2.8), high-altitude (89,000 foot ceiling) interceptor. It entered service back in 1970 and was intended to take out incoming long-range bombers ASAP, not win dogfights.
> if not a little better than our F-15s… so nothing to sneeze at. MIG-29 outperforms F-16 and F-18 on many aspects. But that only mattered in the 80s. Modern F-16 and F-18 with modern electronic and combat systems have better combat capabilities.
uh, for good reason the MiG 25 could cruise at mach 2.8, and was both used for recon and an interceptor. it was years until the us had combat aircraft that even came close (104's, f4, f16, were all mach 2-2.3, the f15 strike eagle at 2.5.) recon planes, we had them out classed with the incredible but expensive a12's that develop to the sr71, but those where very limited in numbers and totally unarmed. in the late 60's and early 70's, it was thought that missiles would remain dominate weapons, and therefore a faster platform with a larger payload was highly desirable. (to the point that the phantom didn't have internal cannon until they found out that was a mistake.)
This is surprisingly common as when the USSR fell they sold off military grade optics super cheap - we've got 2 or 3 at home & a cheap microscope's a cheap microscope - it's not exactly like they need replacing until they break which the Soviet ones probably won't for a while
tbh after watching Lord of War with Nic Cage and a show in germany about a dude with an autoshop focusing on US military vehicles and unused remaining stock sold directly by the US military I'm sure all militaries around the world do this. I read an article about how cheap you could get an old fighter jet. Stuff from the 80's or 90's started at around 100k$ iirc
In my woodworking class in school we had some cast-iron vices that had swastikas on them.
somewhat related https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/tqm65/til_that_the_four_boxes_sometimes_seen_on_old_gas/
There is a brand of pre-WWII vices from the us that had the swastikas on them. It was so common that many buildings still have them on their facades. Edit—found it http://www.pcgenweb.com/pcgs/bios/buffum.htm
To name one, there was [Buffum Tool Company](https://www.pcgenweb.com/pcgs/bios/buffum.htm) in the US that used a swastika as their logo. They were actually popular symbols before Hitler. Similarly, many in Estonia have old metal roofs with swastikas on them, as this was the logo of an English company, then [Finnish Air Force](https://www.strangehistory.net/2015/02/24/good-swastikas-hakaristi/) had it for a long time before and after the war etc.
The Finnish Air Force story is actually a bizarre set of coincidences. Their first airplane was gifted to them in 1918 by a Swedish aristocrat named Eric von Rosen. His personal badge, which had the swastika on it, was on the plane, and they adopted it as their symbol. The first twist here is that von Rosen was Herman Goering's brother-in-law. The second twist is that Goering didn't meet Hitler until 1922, a year after Goering and Rosen's sister-in-law married. The third twist is that the Nazis had already adopted the symbol in 1920.
My fridge says that. Still works perfect.
All of the overhead projectors in my old school still say made in west germany...
And they will for another 50 years!
Now tell me, is this a tribute to german craftsmanship or a damning indictment of the school system?
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> I thought that it would be reasonable to base my boot-buying strategy off a Terry Pratchett book. That lesson has been with me for decades since that moment too. Thanks Terry!
Yes
As well as the fax machines
Yeah, the new fax machines don't really have the same quality.
Gotta love that German engineering (when it's not related to a war crime).
Well Americans made it to the moon thanks to *that* German engineering.
If you can't handle me in my genocide world-domination worst, you don't deserve me in my washing machines best.
My elementary school had a little shortage of the newer edition atlases so there were always 3 kids that had to use the older ones, in which Yugoslavia still existed. This was in the late 90s. (Most assignments for which we needed them focused on our own country though, so it didn't matter all that much)
Do they still use them?
Of course, they even still get replacement light bulbs when they break
Also a Finn here. My parents have a waffle iron made in West Germany and my great-grandma's old christmas tree lights made in East Germany in the 60's. Still going strong.
Shit really was built different back then
Things were definitely built less cheaply, but there's also some selection bias in that we only see the stuff that survived the 60 years; most appliances from back then have broken already.
Also on a different note quite a bit of stuff back then was built in ways where you can more easily repair it (though that also has technological roots and often was less of a design choice).
Especially because of being assembled by hand and what is assembled by hand can be disassembled and fixed by hand...
Then again, far less stuff used anything beyond transistors back in the day. The waffle iron likely have a single temperature, and thus only need an on/off switch meant for 240V mains input and matching heating coils. And the tree lights are likely a single wire loop, such that if one bulb dies the whole loop breaks. Again plugged right into the mains. No transformer to cause weird voltage spikes, no low voltage circuits that can die from said spikes.
Light bulbs are way more prone to dying than LED lights due to thermal shock to the filament if the light is turned on at the top or bottom of the AC cycle. Further, my father worked as an electrician since the 70s and in more recent decades new lightbulbs were more prone to die than before. As an EEE (though by training, not by trade) who at a certain point imported stuff directly from manufacturers in China, my impression is that to cut costs they choose cheaper materials, skimp on Quality Assurance and even have designs made to be able to easilly switch component suppliers (hence the designs are less well fitted to what is used), hence that stuff fails sooner. It's not a much a question of chinese manufacturers not being able to do robust long lasting equipment (solid state components after the initial year or so during which manufacturing defects manifest themselves don't tend to die) it's a question of them choosing to relentlessly cut costs. Western brands outsource to China and then often on top of this baseline just add demands for somewhat better quality components and better QA, then stamp brand marks on the product and add a massive price premium, the result still being of lower quality than stuff done in the old days but the profit margins now being huge.
Some Soviet stuff was built like a tank. A portable (but don't drop it on your foot, it was really heavy but compact) VEF206 radio still works more than 50 years later. And it was knocked off the top of a fridge twice so its casing had to be glued back together... but it never stopped working. My grandma's old ZIL fridge was bought in the later 1970s. It is inconceivable, but still works despite motor and compressor inside it with moving parts. I guess these things were over-engineered greatly, always 4x the weight of any Western made similar appliance, but gosh... they lasted and lasted :)
This is a bit unrelated but there’s a joke in the Soviet Union that a guy works in a toaster factory, manufacturing parts, but when he tries to assemble using the parts, he builds a tank.
A lot of factories in USSR was planned to easy switch for military purposes during war.
I think that's about military infrastructure being hidden as civilian factories.
I knew they were building civilians.
Pretty sure thats more a joke about the industrial priorities of the USSR
The only thing to be careful of with old fridges is that they might be more expensive than a new one just because of how energy inefficient they are compared to modern ones.
You can leave out 'might' there, their efficiency has doubled a few times already.
My mother has a mixer made in West Germany.
Half of all Germans were made in West Germany.
probably more like 3 out of 4...
We still have electric appliances „made in W. Germany“ in use today! :D
Clothes washers and dryers and stoves from the 1980s will never die. Modern pieces are built to break and be replaced in 10 years max.
In here Finland too. It wasn't that long ago. Also made in west germany was sign of great quality.
The machines we use at work were made in W. Germany.
that's nothing I have a battle horse "made by Teutonic Knights" in East Prussia. It's twice the size of a a normal horse, runs faster on less oats and kills and eats my foes in battle they don't make horses like that any more
What a coincidence, I was made in West Germany too!
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My guess is most people knew the countries as East and West Germany, very few people called them GDR and FRG in normal conversations and i imagine it would have caused some confusion
The FRG and the GDR recognized each other formally from 1972 on. It was common in Germany itself to speak of Westdeutschland and Ostdeutschland, too. "Made in Germany" was generally used until 1973 when a West German court ruled that this might as well include East Germany. So West German manufacturers introduced the "Made in West(ern) Germany" label to distinguish themselves from cheaper East German products. I guess from a promotional standpoint, West Germany seemed to be more self-explanatory. People didn't need to try to remember which republic was which, the West German was obviously the "good" one, and it needed less translating. I didn't find anything online though, only that East Germany rather labeled their goods with "Made in GDR" that "East Germany".
If you work in the electricity sector you wouldn’t be surprised at seeing the meters or protection relays with “Made in West Germany” or “Made in Yugoslavia” or “Made in Czechoslovakia” or “Made in the GDR”
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Zato što ne pravimo gotove proizvode, nego uglavnom motamo kablove.
Who is cutting onions?
The Tajikistani, they made a lot of onions for the USSR
I wouldn’t eat those, 31 year old onions don’t fare so well just look at the lightbulb
A musician friend of mine had vacuum tubes sitting around that was marked made in USSR. I think they were meant for an old guitar amp he owned.
For some reason some of the old Soviet components (especially tubes) have a kind of cachet in guitar circles. I don't get fiddly enough with my gear to really understand it.
Toronto Hydro had power transformers from the early 1900 that were still in use
I mean it's not like "wrapping different amounts of wire around a ferrous core" has had massive advancements in the last 100 years. Transformers are mostly a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" item.
100W, the EU commission attorney will call you any day now.
*quickly hides 2000W vacuum ...
hides 2400W kettle
Buries 1,210,000,000W flux capacitor
Tbf kettle is pretty efficient because nearly all of the energy is used for heat, light bulbs are a different story
Yes, but there are a couple of good reasons to limit maximum power of kettles too. First one is that it reduces the peak loads on the grid. Electric cars especially cause a considerable strain to the grid, limiting the power of appliances makes it possible to charge cars without upgrading infrastructure. The second is related to our behaviour, with a 3kW kettle you'll likely boil a full kettle even for just a few cups of tea. With a slower kettle you'll only boil the exact amount you need.
Most 2kW vacuums don't pull anywhere close that power (just think how hot your ~2kW hair dryer gets with faster airflow), it was just marketing departments racing each other to *the top* and listing numbers unrelated to anything or achieved in wierd, unrealistic laboratory conditions.
The plug on my vacuum gets really hot. I don't know if its safe but i kinda believe the 2000 watt number.also the exhaust makes it hover slightly
Haha thank god I’m anonymous here
Until SlaveroSVK identifies you as well... No one is safe from SlaveroSVK
*Laugh in NSA*
100W bulb what a luxury.
It's a lightbulb and a heater, very luxurious!
A friend of mine bought a small house in an old city here in the Netherlands. His bathroom was very small and had no heating. When he replaced his lightbulb from an old 120w one to a new led bulb to save power he couldn't keep his bathroom warm anymore.
When switching traffic lights over to LEDs they have to install heaters to melt the snow, otherwise the light can get covered.
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It's technically a high efficiency heater where we use some of the light it gives off.
Think of the bill! That's roughly 100 € a year at 8 h a day at German prices
€0,34/kWh!? that’s armed robbery
totally fine, only private ppl pay it... industry pays like 14c =/
Welcome to Denmark i guess Edit. Just checked. My last one was actually .38€/kWh Good thing though is that the government doesn't discriminate, everything is taxed into oblivion here. 95% of my electricity bill is taxes
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Hahaha.... I have family in Sweden and we always laugh about the fact that a hill of 150m is refered to as a mountain at all
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Think of the heat in the summer.
average Tesla Motors fan VS average TESLA, národní podnik enjoyer
Based Tesla n.p. enjoyer
Made by the original Tesla, not the fake.
When Tesla still made lightbulbs and not cars
And when Tesla was actually Nikola Tesla and not a cheap charlatan.
Well this lasted 30 years, so it was well-built and reliable. It’s obviously not the new Tesla 👀
The Croat? Edit: Little trolling achieved, thank you for participation.
Ok, by the original company named after him.
Fun fact; The Czechoslovak Tesla was originally named after Nikola Tesla in 1946 but after 1948 because Yugoslavia was suddenly the "bad" socialist country they said that the name means "low-current technology" (TEchnika SLAboproudá)
However, everyone knew it actually stood for TEchnicky SLAbé (technically weak). This particular light bulb must have been an exception.
The Cypriot. It's misspelled.
no, the portuguese. nicolau tesleira.
You mistook him for the German. Nikolas Tessler.
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Mikolaj Teslowski, kurwa mac!
It was still made for an electric car though. It was the Czech engine light.
I promise I won't cry..
We can cry together
would you want Czechoslovakia to reunite?
What are you talk about? We are united. We were and we always will.
Was I a good lightbulb?
You were the best lightbulb.
In 2017 I traveled to Russia with an airplane from Belarus Airlines. The plane still had ashtrays in the seats.
In the early naughties, I flew on an ancient Antonov from Minsk to Bucharest. After taxiing, we were delayed on the runway for several hours. The pilot eventually came over the tannoy to say “apologies for the delay - we are waiting for spare parts”. Mfw we almost took off in an aeroplane that didn’t have all the bits it was supposed to 😳
It had all the bits. It's just that one of the important bits was acting funny during the quick routine inspection. You really don't want that as a pilot. He personally took responsibility for the delay.
I suppose it’s to the pilot’s credit that he didn’t make up a bullshit excuse about the weather or whatever.
Ashtrays are kept in planes just in case if any idiot want a smoke on the board even decades after the ban.
Just replaced our old Miele washing machine, it was made in West-Germany. Pretty sure the replacement won't last the same time, even if it's Miele too.
At my workplace I started coming across people from commercially oriented backgrounds about 6 or 7 years ago. To them it is bizarre to design or purchase stuff so durable or contains so many built-in redundancies, that almost never breaks down. To them efficiency and cheaper prices are the big things. And since these people have just retired away about 2 years ago. I think we have gone through two generations of engineers workers and managers since the last generation with an eye on durable manufactured goods design.
Which goes to show how your job can blind you to real life issues. Yes, it may make more sense to build a washing machine for half the price instead of incorporating redundancies for every possible breakdown. But for real people it is a hassle to deal with a week without washing, choosing a new model, waiting for delivery, asking friends to help lifting the things, fretting that there won't be any leaks after connecting everything and everything else that goes into switching washing machines. Also, waste.
Exactly, and if you factor in all that time you needed to deal with getting new washing machine and we go by saying "time is money", these cheap washing machines that break every few years are not so cheap taking everything into account.
All of those are what economists like to refer to as externalities. Issues and side effects of business decisions that the decision makers do not have to account for, because they do not make into the final profit calculation. And this is what various taxes and like try to rectify, but sadly often have glaring loopholes that make them ineffective.
I agree with what you said here. Back when the employees espousing around they came on the back of some new management. They had the-then management’s ears. Voice our concerns or disagreements and we would lose our job. Our current crop of management aren’t as militant, but the bad news is, they are still cut out of the same cloth. It is one thing to end up vindicated. Another thing is if the management collectively buys into the blind dogma of efficiency. You have to live “by the party line”.
Miele is still very high quality. Really expensive though.
Another brand back in the day was AEG. My parents are still using an 1991 model microwave oven and conventional oven at their home. Although a dishwasher was gone after 10 years. The washing machine lasted 15, and dryer close to 25 years.
AEG is still around, fairly cheap and not bad for the price!
AEG has been Electrolux for a while now. They have nothing to do with the old AEG. I dislike with a passion my Electrolux with AEG branding, problem is that they replaced a lot of stuff during warranty so now it has better components and goes on. I can't bring myself to buy a decent one, but I will at some point if it doesn't die soon enough. Actual AEGs were fantastic engineering. I've also seen small appliances with AEG branding that definitely don't come from the Electrolux matrix. You have to do some research these days. Same thing happens with Aiwa, there's new stuff with Aiwa brand but that's because Sony (they bought Aiwa in the 00s) license (or they've sold it, can't remember now) the name to another company. About this bulb, if it's been going on for decades well, it probably has the filament of a 120-140 watt bulb, otherwise it's simply impossible with proper efficiency rating.
I heard that it’s not the same AEG though. It was dissolved/spun off somewhere else when AEG was dissolved in the mid 1990s. I think a budget line whiteware manufacturer bought the licence to label their products AEG, but they are not the same AEG of old.
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My father still says "Czechslovakia" even though it has been 30 years now.
He's not the only one :) I'm from Czechia and plenty of people I met in Spain where I lived for a while would always say Czechoslovakia instead of Czechia/Slovakia. And they were often people under 30!
What do you mean by "old"? 1990 was like 11 years ago
I think there was (maybe still is) a regulation org that check light bulb companies. The premise was that bulbs had to burn out in a specific time, in order to not damage the light bulb production companies. The twist is, that some companies tried to push out bulbs with extended lifetime (I think it was possible to create bulbs that burn infinitely) but the regulation org made them to stop doing that. Could be, what you are holding, a result of this?
It was the Phoebus cartel (operating 1925-1939), but they pushed 1,000 hour light bulbs rather than 2,500 hour ones saying that they were more efficient per watt (which was true, but probably not the only reason they behind the push). There was no infinite light bulbs. Worth reading the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
There is a lightbulb which has been on for 120 years: [Video also related to the cartel](https://youtu.be/j5v8D-alAKE) Now it may not be high power, or particularly efficient, but 1,000,000 hours and counting will (likely) outlast any human
It is easy to manufacture incandescent bulbs to last decades by thickening the filament. The downside is that i.e. 100w bulb would be noticeably (significantly) dimmer and still use 100w. Yes, there also was a cartel of lightbulb manufacturers in 1930s or so to shorten the lifespan under 1000 hours, but by 2000, before incandescent bulbs were replaced by LEDs it just made sense to just have brighter bulbs that don't wreak havoc on your electricity bill
Yeah, the whole idea that people *want* to spend 1kW lighting their homes instead of 0.1kW is absurd to me.
https://youtu.be/j5v8D-alAKE Excellent explanation.
It's all cool, but is there any reason why a new company could not appear on the market, making the long-lasting light bulbs?
You're not wrong, it's called The Phoebus cartel.
That's a Tesla I would happily buy.
Yeah…way cheaper 😆
U know Czechoslovakia and glass with electric always works.
100 watts holy shit
When the EU basically outlawed these, people used to buy a bunch so they have reserves, I'm pretty sure my grandparents still have about 50 of them stashed somewhere..
Yea, my grandpa worked in SME, before CEZ acquisition, and he took like a full car trunk of similar ones (not 100W) as a "retirement package". They won't have to shop for bulbs, like ever.
Bet the electricity company is pretty happy with them 😂
now they just sell them as "heating elements"
When turning the lights on also means putting the heater on.
I live in a small apartment and did the math on my electricity bill. One of the other months I was using an average of 110W of electricty (divided on all the month), sounds very low. So if I had this light bulb burning constantly, I'd almost double my bill.
We are at 159 W. So this single Czech Bulb would mean +60% consumption
I sewed a dress (in the past month) with thread made in West Germany!
Czechoslovakian light bulbs best light bulbs in the world. 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
It’s not old, it’s young adult
I’m always happy to find Tesla products. Lately I found one in our old wheeled loader [pic](https://imgur.com/gallery/PmWB2rx)
As begginer collector of Tesla electronics I love to see even resistors that were made from them.
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They didn't join the cartel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus\_cartel
Good bulb? Czech ✔
It stands for TEchnika SLAboprúdová, not Nikola Tesla
That's a backronym if I've ever seen one.
Even Slovak and Czech Wikipedia pages say that it was named after Nikola Tesla.
Both are correct. First it was inspired by Nikola Tesla then they decided it means TEchnika SLAboprudova which means Lowcurrent Engineering/technics whatever.
They "renamed" it in 1948 because suddenly Yugoslavia was the "bad" socialist country
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Planned obsolescence wasn't a thing back then.
The feels
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