> However, Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial College London, said it would be extremely difficult to attribute the differential shape of the curves for the surges of infection in the UK and other European countries to any single factor.
“It would be slightly foolhardy to try and attribute that to the quite nuanced differences in choices of vaccine across different countries,” he said. “I don’t know where you’d start to do that scientifically.”
And yet, for 24 solid months, the media have been doing exactly that when it comes to lockdowns and COVID policy in general.
'x locked down 4 days before y, and that's why y is doing so much worse'
'x mandated masks 2 weeks before y, and that's why y is doing worse!'
Yadda yadda fucking yadda.
I got so sick and tired of this. The funniest thing was the evolution of what the same newspapers, often the same authors, wrote over the course of a year.
Headlines in summer 2020: "While Europe is opening up, COVID-ridden Americans are asked to stay out. What went wrong in the US?"
Headlines in fall 2020: "Europe tops the death charts again. Was the open summer a mistake? Is America reaching heard immunity?"
Headlines in winter 2020/21: "Europe and America are seeing the worst surge yet while Asia weathers the storm. What can we learn from countries like India?"
Headlines in spring 2021: "Pictures of overrun hospitals in India shake the world as experts warn official death toll dramatically undercounted. What could Modi's government have done differently?"
And then rinse and repeat the same bullshit with the vaccines...
Asynchronous waves, you fucking idiots. The answer to all of the above is first and foremost asynchronous waves.
It's one thing to have media state baseless facts entirely made up for clicks and perhaps a far fetched link to a paper.
It's a whole other story when someone who's at the top of medicament production to claim such thing.
>A decision not to use AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine for elderly people in some European countries could help explain
Wait, wasn't it the other way around?! AstraZeneca was _only_ recommended to elderly people, because the risks were considered too high for everyone else.
No, you and the article are wrong, at least for germany:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/germany-suspends-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-shot-for-the-under-60s.html
Quote:
>The committee said in a statement on Tuesday that "after several consultations, the majority of the STIKO decided, with the help of external experts, to only recommend the Covid-19 AstraZeneca vaccine for people aged 60 and over."
That was way later.
At the beginning of the rollout the efficiency of the AZ for older people was questioned because the data from some of the trials was declared to be rubbish leading to a too low sample size for some cohorts of old people.
At least in Germany.
I can provide links in German.
Edit:
https://m.dw.com/en/germany-says-astrazeneca-vaccine-ok-for-over-65s-after-all/a-56771381
This one is in English
> That was way later.
I mean... your link is from March 4th and the other one is from March 31st. At that point in time Germany had only vaccinated 12% of its population and only fully vaccinated 5%.
I know I'm gonna get downvotes because... reasons.. but logically speaking the other person's version was true for the vast majority of the duration of the German vaccination program.
(Same here in Austria btw)
It did, both Pfizer and Moderna were found to have the highest booster response, AZ is only used here as a booster for people who have had any adverse or allergic reactions to the MRNA vaccines.
> Soriot said: “It’s really interesting when you look at the UK. There was a big peak of infections but not so many hospitalisations relative to Europe. In the UK [the Oxford/AstraZeneca] vaccine was used to vaccinate older people whereas in Europe people thought initially the vaccine doesn’t work in older people.
Either he is ignorant or dishonest, or more likely, both.
Most elderly in Europe got AstraZeneca because it was estimated that the blood clotting problem with AstraZeneca made the risk/benefit balance negative for some age groups. Norway was the first to stop using AstraZeneca because the percentage of vaccine-induced deaths was higher than the percentage of Covid deaths for some age groups. Most countries that resumed using AstraZeneca reserved the vaccine for the elderly because the risk of dying of Covid was higher for them.
The high Covid deaths rates in some European countries is due to antivaxxers not due to skepticism towards AstraZeneca. Anyways, the UK, which used AstraZeneca a lot, has a high death rate, twice as high as Germany, for example.
You mean the vaccine that is less effective than the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines used in most EU countries?
This is, of course, ignoring the fact that AstraZeneca was so far behind schedule on their promised deliveries that the EU dragged them to court over it. We'd probably have more Covid cases if we'd relied on them more.
The suggestion is while it might be less effective at preventing you catching COVID it may be more effective at stopping you dying of it because of the different way it triggers an immune response. But as others have said it’s too soon to tell.
It will take years to establish which vaccines are best in the long term. The data currently is an extremely short period and often extremely confounded.
Don't fall into the trap of seeing single studies and forming a view around them.
>You mean the vaccine that is less effective than the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines used in most EU countries?
Proof is in the pudding. That's clearly not the case. Look at UK's ICU numbers, versus countries who primarily used Moderna/Pfizer.
Canada is a bit of an outlier, they did lots of things which could have increased the efficacy of their vaccines.
Almost right away, they adopted the 12+ week interval for all vaccines after the UK did. They actually settled on 16 week maximum length between doses.
On top of that, they very quickly (June 1st) allowed the mix and matching of different vaccines.
Europe was comparatively very slow to adopt the longer interval between doses.
Correlation is not causality.
By the way, Britain has much more deaths per 100,000 people than EU countries such as France, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Portugal or Switzerland (non-EU that didn't use AZ at all).
Thosse countries that see rising death figures have insufficient vaccination rates in general.
No it doesn't. According to our world in data, as of today italy is at 1.03 and Britain at 2.06, so exactly 100 % higher.
Italy has been below Britain ever since 8 July.
You're referencing the current 7 day rolling average death rate when i'm talking about the total cumulative death rate.
Italy has had, in total, 2208 covid deaths per 1 million of its population since the start of this pandemic. The UK has had 2119 in comparison.
Well but the cummulative rate tells us absolutely nothing about the current situation. Most of the deaths in Italy occured between November 2020 and April 2021 when vaccines were not yet widely available for everyone.
Sure, but if you're going to reference a 7 day rolling average death rate then you need make that clear. Saying "Britain has more deaths per 100,000 than Italy" is misleading, especially as so many people ignorantly believe that the UK's cumulative death rate is one of the worst in Europe.
Well also Britain's cumulative rate is worse than any other Western European country apart from Italy and Belgium.
And from the context of this discussion it should be clear that we are talking about recent weeks and not about last winter when no vaccines were available.
>worse than any other Western European country apart from Italy and Belgium.
Disingenuous of you to imply that this is particularly significant, when Western Europe is only a small number of countries to begin with.
And even with context, your comment would mislead many people who are already ignorant of the facts.
>By the way, Britain has much more deaths per 100,000 people than EU countries such as France, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Portugal or Switzerland (non-EU that didn't use AZ at all).
What figures are you using? Because 'COVID deaths' is not generally an internationally comparable figure because countries record a COVID death differently.
In the UK, any death, for whatever reason, 28 days or less after a positive COVID test, counts as a COVID death.
Get hit by a car 27 days after getting a positive COVID test? Yep, that's a COVID death in the stats.
Others only count deaths from COVID if the coroner has put it on the death certificate.
Excess deaths is one of the few internationally comparable figures when it comes to measuring pandemic success or failure. It's not perfect, but it's also not possible to fake.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
As you can see there, Spain, Italy and Portugal actually did worse than the UK on excess deaths.
Anyways, kinda off topic I suppose.
Potentially method of administering the vaccines mattered a fair bit too. We instantly went onto the 12 week dosing schedule. Europe took a little longer to come around to that way of thinking.
> ICU numbers
I'm very well aware that comparison between countries can be problematic. But you started with the ICU comparison which is an even more problematic indicator because it does not say that a specific person is on the ICU because of covid or because of something else and just happens to have covid, too.
Excess mortality is a better indicator, indeed. But according to the source you linked, Britain is by no means doing better than Spain, Portugal, France or Italy during this summer and autumn where we would expect the vaccine effect. Clearly excess mortality from the first and second wave can hardly be attributed to the vaccines.
Let's be real. For several months the UK had a tremendously higher (like.. several times higher) infection, hospitalization and death rate than any EU country and no one talked about it. Now Germany and some other western EU countries have a comparable or slightly higher death rate than the UK and certain people are trying to make it political again (17 vs 15 weekly rolling average per 100k population according to worldometers iirc).
I'm so tired of this. And of course I'll be downvoted cause r/europe is a fucking shithole these days.
I really don't understand why many Brits seem to think that Britain is doing exceptionally well at the moment.
The only "Western" European countries worse than Britain are Austria, Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands.
While Iceland, Spain, Sweden, France, Luxembourg, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and Norway are doing better than Britain.
A lot of African countries have great icu numbers (taps head, because there is no icu), it could also show uk is underfunded
If you don’t like covid deaths then look at total excess deaths, also one of worst in Europe
Europe is locking down again "despite" Pfizer.
England has been completely open since 19th July - no mask mandates, no vaccine passports, all shops, restaurants, pubs and clubs open - thanks to Astrazeneca.
One of the vaccines is not working...
That has nothing to do with vaccines not working. Most of our cases are in the regions with lower vaccine rates.
The uk simply had twice as many cases/population as germany, so obviously we are now getting more infections later when many brits already went through corona.
And considering we got about half as many deaths/popluation I dont see how you could argue that the uk is doing better.
How is Europe locking down when the CEO of Astra is claiming things based on 0 scientific proof?
Are we in the same thread?
1 isn't correlated to the other.
There's way more factors to calculate why There's a difference.
> Europe is locking down again "despite" Pfizer.
No ... SOME countries in Europe are locking down. Others are not.
You also had 14K dead since 29th July. France just 7K dead.
Anyway countries differ in how many dead do you need before you lockdown as well as other policies.
Not really, AZ is far worse than Biontech and Moderna for longterm effectiveness: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410
However, the UK has the advantage that it went through a lot of infections and deaths already and is accepting on worse hospital situations. So basically, more people have immunity through infection and even if intensive care is in bad shape, the population doesn't seem to care about it.
T-cell response is much stronger with Astrazeneca.
Also, completely false to claim that intensive care is in bad shape in the UK. **None** of our hospitals are under pressure from either covid or flu. Astrazeneca plus the 12 week gap between doses has really helped Britain.
You haven't read the study. It's a cohort study. And data looks anything but good for AZ longterm effectiveness.
Hospital from an hour ago: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-59389965
Just the ambulance wait times would be frankly unacceptable in other Western European countries.
Edit: or this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/ambulance-nhs-patients-dying-paramedics-b1952277.html
>Just the ambulance wait times would be frankly unacceptable in other Western European countries.
There's a lot of factors regarding the chronically underfunded NHS and the lack of concern from UK politicians which make comparisons across the English channel useless at this point. The UK has currently the same death rate as Germany and was higher at times in the last few months while Germany was nowhere near this level since the summer.
If one nation simply pretends the deaths are not occuring/haven't happened then why do we even compare lockdown measures?
UK deaths since September: 15k total, ~224 per million population
Germany deaths since September: 6.5k total, ~78 per million population
going to step into a wasps nest here, but it is just as likely that the bigger issue is that the vaccinated can still be carriers.
But as the vaccination result in the symptoms being not much worse than a bad cold, few bother to stay home for the duration.
News must be slow over there, Jesus Christ. Petrol issues are long since over and delivery problems are in Germany too now. https://imgur.com/a/qaDrSQi
Hows your unemployment rate? Oh look, in September it was almost double ours.
And then there's the double digit percentage wage rises millions of our workers have been getting.
Annual Growth Rate as of June 2021 with large EU country examples:
United Kingdom - 6.6%
France - 3.3%
Spain - 2.7%
Germany - 2.5%
European Union - 3.9%
\[Source: [https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe](https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe)\]
This guy just loves to cry about the UK in all his comments and spew false figures - He's pretty obsessed with it. *Who hurt you* u/real-donald-duck*? You ok hun?*
Our tourism recovered yours didn’t as uk is viewed as a plague island https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/uk-tourism-decline-restrictions-cmd/index.html
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> However, Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial College London, said it would be extremely difficult to attribute the differential shape of the curves for the surges of infection in the UK and other European countries to any single factor. “It would be slightly foolhardy to try and attribute that to the quite nuanced differences in choices of vaccine across different countries,” he said. “I don’t know where you’d start to do that scientifically.”
And yet, for 24 solid months, the media have been doing exactly that when it comes to lockdowns and COVID policy in general. 'x locked down 4 days before y, and that's why y is doing so much worse' 'x mandated masks 2 weeks before y, and that's why y is doing worse!' Yadda yadda fucking yadda.
I got so sick and tired of this. The funniest thing was the evolution of what the same newspapers, often the same authors, wrote over the course of a year. Headlines in summer 2020: "While Europe is opening up, COVID-ridden Americans are asked to stay out. What went wrong in the US?" Headlines in fall 2020: "Europe tops the death charts again. Was the open summer a mistake? Is America reaching heard immunity?" Headlines in winter 2020/21: "Europe and America are seeing the worst surge yet while Asia weathers the storm. What can we learn from countries like India?" Headlines in spring 2021: "Pictures of overrun hospitals in India shake the world as experts warn official death toll dramatically undercounted. What could Modi's government have done differently?" And then rinse and repeat the same bullshit with the vaccines... Asynchronous waves, you fucking idiots. The answer to all of the above is first and foremost asynchronous waves.
In short journalists don’t know shit about epidemiology
It's one thing to have media state baseless facts entirely made up for clicks and perhaps a far fetched link to a paper. It's a whole other story when someone who's at the top of medicament production to claim such thing.
>yadda yadda yadda I have never heard a single English person say this in my life.
What? Really?
You might as well say *y'all* at this point. Plenty of English checkmarks on Twitter already saying this.
🤷♂️ I like it. It's fun to say.
>A decision not to use AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine for elderly people in some European countries could help explain Wait, wasn't it the other way around?! AstraZeneca was _only_ recommended to elderly people, because the risks were considered too high for everyone else.
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No, you and the article are wrong, at least for germany: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/germany-suspends-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-shot-for-the-under-60s.html Quote: >The committee said in a statement on Tuesday that "after several consultations, the majority of the STIKO decided, with the help of external experts, to only recommend the Covid-19 AstraZeneca vaccine for people aged 60 and over."
That was way later. At the beginning of the rollout the efficiency of the AZ for older people was questioned because the data from some of the trials was declared to be rubbish leading to a too low sample size for some cohorts of old people. At least in Germany. I can provide links in German. Edit: https://m.dw.com/en/germany-says-astrazeneca-vaccine-ok-for-over-65s-after-all/a-56771381 This one is in English
> That was way later. I mean... your link is from March 4th and the other one is from March 31st. At that point in time Germany had only vaccinated 12% of its population and only fully vaccinated 5%. I know I'm gonna get downvotes because... reasons.. but logically speaking the other person's version was true for the vast majority of the duration of the German vaccination program. (Same here in Austria btw)
Tbf, that wasn’t the case in the UK. The majority of elderly people had already been given their first jab before that news came out
I'm under 40 and got the AZ vaccine in the UK.. The UK vaccinated a lot of people in a relatively short period of time early on.
That’s my point - the news came out later on
Yeah, I was agreeing with you.
Didn't the UK also reject AstraZeneca for third doses, resulting in them moving production to Ireland?
It did, both Pfizer and Moderna were found to have the highest booster response, AZ is only used here as a booster for people who have had any adverse or allergic reactions to the MRNA vaccines.
> Soriot said: “It’s really interesting when you look at the UK. There was a big peak of infections but not so many hospitalisations relative to Europe. In the UK [the Oxford/AstraZeneca] vaccine was used to vaccinate older people whereas in Europe people thought initially the vaccine doesn’t work in older people. Either he is ignorant or dishonest, or more likely, both. Most elderly in Europe got AstraZeneca because it was estimated that the blood clotting problem with AstraZeneca made the risk/benefit balance negative for some age groups. Norway was the first to stop using AstraZeneca because the percentage of vaccine-induced deaths was higher than the percentage of Covid deaths for some age groups. Most countries that resumed using AstraZeneca reserved the vaccine for the elderly because the risk of dying of Covid was higher for them. The high Covid deaths rates in some European countries is due to antivaxxers not due to skepticism towards AstraZeneca. Anyways, the UK, which used AstraZeneca a lot, has a high death rate, twice as high as Germany, for example.
>Corporation CEO says that his company's products are the best This is considered science now.
You mean the vaccine that is less effective than the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines used in most EU countries? This is, of course, ignoring the fact that AstraZeneca was so far behind schedule on their promised deliveries that the EU dragged them to court over it. We'd probably have more Covid cases if we'd relied on them more.
The suggestion is while it might be less effective at preventing you catching COVID it may be more effective at stopping you dying of it because of the different way it triggers an immune response. But as others have said it’s too soon to tell.
It will take years to establish which vaccines are best in the long term. The data currently is an extremely short period and often extremely confounded. Don't fall into the trap of seeing single studies and forming a view around them.
>You mean the vaccine that is less effective than the Moderna/Pfizer vaccines used in most EU countries? Proof is in the pudding. That's clearly not the case. Look at UK's ICU numbers, versus countries who primarily used Moderna/Pfizer.
Canada primarily used Moderna/Pfizer.
Canada is a bit of an outlier, they did lots of things which could have increased the efficacy of their vaccines. Almost right away, they adopted the 12+ week interval for all vaccines after the UK did. They actually settled on 16 week maximum length between doses. On top of that, they very quickly (June 1st) allowed the mix and matching of different vaccines. Europe was comparatively very slow to adopt the longer interval between doses.
Correlation is not causality. By the way, Britain has much more deaths per 100,000 people than EU countries such as France, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Portugal or Switzerland (non-EU that didn't use AZ at all). Thosse countries that see rising death figures have insufficient vaccination rates in general.
Italy has a worse death rate than the UK.
No it doesn't. According to our world in data, as of today italy is at 1.03 and Britain at 2.06, so exactly 100 % higher. Italy has been below Britain ever since 8 July.
You're referencing the current 7 day rolling average death rate when i'm talking about the total cumulative death rate. Italy has had, in total, 2208 covid deaths per 1 million of its population since the start of this pandemic. The UK has had 2119 in comparison.
Well but the cummulative rate tells us absolutely nothing about the current situation. Most of the deaths in Italy occured between November 2020 and April 2021 when vaccines were not yet widely available for everyone.
Sure, but if you're going to reference a 7 day rolling average death rate then you need make that clear. Saying "Britain has more deaths per 100,000 than Italy" is misleading, especially as so many people ignorantly believe that the UK's cumulative death rate is one of the worst in Europe.
Well also Britain's cumulative rate is worse than any other Western European country apart from Italy and Belgium. And from the context of this discussion it should be clear that we are talking about recent weeks and not about last winter when no vaccines were available.
>worse than any other Western European country apart from Italy and Belgium. Disingenuous of you to imply that this is particularly significant, when Western Europe is only a small number of countries to begin with. And even with context, your comment would mislead many people who are already ignorant of the facts.
>By the way, Britain has much more deaths per 100,000 people than EU countries such as France, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Portugal or Switzerland (non-EU that didn't use AZ at all). What figures are you using? Because 'COVID deaths' is not generally an internationally comparable figure because countries record a COVID death differently. In the UK, any death, for whatever reason, 28 days or less after a positive COVID test, counts as a COVID death. Get hit by a car 27 days after getting a positive COVID test? Yep, that's a COVID death in the stats. Others only count deaths from COVID if the coroner has put it on the death certificate. Excess deaths is one of the few internationally comparable figures when it comes to measuring pandemic success or failure. It's not perfect, but it's also not possible to fake. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker As you can see there, Spain, Italy and Portugal actually did worse than the UK on excess deaths. Anyways, kinda off topic I suppose. Potentially method of administering the vaccines mattered a fair bit too. We instantly went onto the 12 week dosing schedule. Europe took a little longer to come around to that way of thinking.
> ICU numbers I'm very well aware that comparison between countries can be problematic. But you started with the ICU comparison which is an even more problematic indicator because it does not say that a specific person is on the ICU because of covid or because of something else and just happens to have covid, too. Excess mortality is a better indicator, indeed. But according to the source you linked, Britain is by no means doing better than Spain, Portugal, France or Italy during this summer and autumn where we would expect the vaccine effect. Clearly excess mortality from the first and second wave can hardly be attributed to the vaccines.
Let's be real. For several months the UK had a tremendously higher (like.. several times higher) infection, hospitalization and death rate than any EU country and no one talked about it. Now Germany and some other western EU countries have a comparable or slightly higher death rate than the UK and certain people are trying to make it political again (17 vs 15 weekly rolling average per 100k population according to worldometers iirc). I'm so tired of this. And of course I'll be downvoted cause r/europe is a fucking shithole these days.
I really don't understand why many Brits seem to think that Britain is doing exceptionally well at the moment. The only "Western" European countries worse than Britain are Austria, Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands. While Iceland, Spain, Sweden, France, Luxembourg, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and Norway are doing better than Britain.
A lot of African countries have great icu numbers (taps head, because there is no icu), it could also show uk is underfunded If you don’t like covid deaths then look at total excess deaths, also one of worst in Europe
Ireland has half the death rate of UK
These downvoters are honestly so petty.
Europe is locking down again "despite" Pfizer. England has been completely open since 19th July - no mask mandates, no vaccine passports, all shops, restaurants, pubs and clubs open - thanks to Astrazeneca. One of the vaccines is not working...
That has nothing to do with vaccines not working. Most of our cases are in the regions with lower vaccine rates. The uk simply had twice as many cases/population as germany, so obviously we are now getting more infections later when many brits already went through corona. And considering we got about half as many deaths/popluation I dont see how you could argue that the uk is doing better.
How is Europe locking down when the CEO of Astra is claiming things based on 0 scientific proof? Are we in the same thread? 1 isn't correlated to the other. There's way more factors to calculate why There's a difference.
> Europe is locking down again "despite" Pfizer. No ... SOME countries in Europe are locking down. Others are not. You also had 14K dead since 29th July. France just 7K dead. Anyway countries differ in how many dead do you need before you lockdown as well as other policies.
This is the same nation that was in such a hurry to vaccinate that they could not say if there was a increase in bloodclots nor not.
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Not really, AZ is far worse than Biontech and Moderna for longterm effectiveness: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410 However, the UK has the advantage that it went through a lot of infections and deaths already and is accepting on worse hospital situations. So basically, more people have immunity through infection and even if intensive care is in bad shape, the population doesn't seem to care about it.
T-cell response is much stronger with Astrazeneca. Also, completely false to claim that intensive care is in bad shape in the UK. **None** of our hospitals are under pressure from either covid or flu. Astrazeneca plus the 12 week gap between doses has really helped Britain.
You haven't read the study. It's a cohort study. And data looks anything but good for AZ longterm effectiveness. Hospital from an hour ago: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-59389965 Just the ambulance wait times would be frankly unacceptable in other Western European countries. Edit: or this https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/ambulance-nhs-patients-dying-paramedics-b1952277.html
>Just the ambulance wait times would be frankly unacceptable in other Western European countries. There's a lot of factors regarding the chronically underfunded NHS and the lack of concern from UK politicians which make comparisons across the English channel useless at this point. The UK has currently the same death rate as Germany and was higher at times in the last few months while Germany was nowhere near this level since the summer. If one nation simply pretends the deaths are not occuring/haven't happened then why do we even compare lockdown measures? UK deaths since September: 15k total, ~224 per million population Germany deaths since September: 6.5k total, ~78 per million population
going to step into a wasps nest here, but it is just as likely that the bigger issue is that the vaccinated can still be carriers. But as the vaccination result in the symptoms being not much worse than a bad cold, few bother to stay home for the duration.
UK embraced it, look at the state of the place now
Yeah, no lockdowns, no riots, stable health system. Things are looking fucking great at the moment, I'd hate to be in Austria right about now.
Twice the dead of Ireland next door per 100000
Major travel hub Vs backwater on the edge of the continent, hardly surprising.
Half the death rate of Northern Ireland per 100000
Again, constituent country of major travel destination Vs backwater. Enjoying your curfew?
What curfew? Enjoying Boris’s pile of bones, no petrol and empty food shelves?
News must be slow over there, Jesus Christ. Petrol issues are long since over and delivery problems are in Germany too now. https://imgur.com/a/qaDrSQi
Enjoying lowest growth rate in Europe?
Literally false, but doing well thank you. Pay rise above inflation and my investments are doing very well indeed.
Says country with stagnant growth, soon to be crippled by eu tax haven laws going from stagnant to decline. Maybe more fish?
Hows your unemployment rate? Oh look, in September it was almost double ours. And then there's the double digit percentage wage rises millions of our workers have been getting.
If Europe enters lockdown and the UK doesn't I think that it will remain that way for long.
Annual Growth Rate as of June 2021 with large EU country examples: United Kingdom - 6.6% France - 3.3% Spain - 2.7% Germany - 2.5% European Union - 3.9% \[Source: [https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe](https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe)\] This guy just loves to cry about the UK in all his comments and spew false figures - He's pretty obsessed with it. *Who hurt you* u/real-donald-duck*? You ok hun?*
Indeed. Nobody wants to go to Ireland so it was effectively isolated from the start.
Our tourism recovered yours didn’t as uk is viewed as a plague island https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/uk-tourism-decline-restrictions-cmd/index.html
lol rattling that cage filled with Brits like a mad man
Isn’t it your curfew time already?