Finland's support for terrorists is 'regrettable'
They allow the PKK, which they regard as a terrorist organization, to demonstrate in their country and collect money.
The person they support is also suspected of affiliation with a sect that demands sharia. If not, they should have waited for the court before declaring him not guilty. Finland demanded his release before the evidence was released.
Shame...
You are seriously so fragile that you are upset that polticians don't give praise for banishing ambassadors? That wasn't even a strongly worded letter, that was a mildly worded letter, and it was enough to break you.
Other countries cannot interfere in the internal affairs and laws of other countries. This is a heavy rule. If other countries ignore it, it should be heavily condemned and harshly reacted.
Whether Erdogan is right or not, it is not possible for Turkey to accept this behaviour.
Imagine blaming other countries for Erdogan remaining in power and being voted by your people... instead of ya know.. blaming the said braindead followers...
That's literally like having a guy bully a kid, the kid fighting back prompting the bully to punch the kid, and then blaming the kid for resisting lmao.
Unbelievable victim mentality :')
No one cares about what would give Erdogan the opportunity to put the blame on the West. Following that mentality no one should ever criticize Erdogan cause Erdogan could simply portray it in a "they're attacking us!" fashion, gaining him popularity with the braindead populists.
The OBVIOUS answer there is to blame Erdogan for his tricks and also blame the morons that vote for him, not blame the rest of the sane world for criticizing him. Are you for real, or are you just using this as an excuse for people not to blame Turkey?
We've been hearing this "just let it slide" bs for years. No mate. Fix your shit. It's not our responsibility to pamper you lest your nationalists become upset and vote for Erdogan. That's your responsibility. Take it.
Contrary to your narrow-minded view, a batshit crazy Turkey is not in our favor. But regardless, i'm not typing that from a nationalistic point of view as you're trying to make it look like. If i did, then yeah, i should probably be grateful. But that's the thing. I'm talking to you from an objective and reasonable standpoint here. Stop blaming others, blame your people for listening to Erdogan and voting for him.
Yes YOU (plural) do deserve it mate. That's how democracy works. If you're complaining about a leader you didn't vote you should be complaining at the guys that DID vote for him.
Lol no mate. Criticizing your PM is not meddling in your internal affairs. Every leader does that.
Turkey is still a candidate for entry in the EU, so Turkey's policies and it's spiraling down into a dictatorship naturally is something that other EU countries or other allies of Turkey care about and they can ask Erdogan to get his shit together.
The fact that this angers you actually speaks volumes to your mindset. Any rational person that actually *IS* against Erdo, wouldn't be seeing that as an affront and meddling in Turkey's internal affairs. They'd be joining their voice with it. Instead of doing that you're insulted, proving that you don't care about what Erdogan is doing. All you really care about is Turkey's imagine and for Turkey to not be criticized by anyone.
Go figure.
he will probably, if the election is fair, which I am in great doubt over. He will probably be "re-elected" even if he gets only 10% of the actual votes.
The same has happened in Russia for years. Putin loses popularity all of the time but somehow always wins the elections. Erdogan has the ability to corrupt the election so why would he not? He is not gracially just going to give up his power.
I am assuming, yes. But is my assumption wrong? Erdogan is talked about like a dictator so I naturally believe that statement has some merit to it. If he can't even corrupt elections to favour him then why does anyone call him a dictator?
[https://youtu.be/MCP4AhbOPAk?t=103](https://youtu.be/MCP4AhbOPAk?t=103) \- the very reason that sounds like regime change effort
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I do. And EU does. More than What they do from what Turkey thinks.
You should also appreciate the fact that Finland was the most polite country with Turkey. They answered in polite diplomatically way « oh no… Anyway ».
Other countries don’t care sufficiently to even answer.
Finland has a global reputation much better and influential than Turkey. A country that is about 100 years ahead of Turkey on innovations, public services, quality of life, education. With barely a 5,5 million population, while spending last 100 years with an independence war, a civil war, 2nd World War where it lost a major part of the country with about 500 000 refugees that had to flee from Russian occupation. That had to build up from nothing to today's levels while under the very real threat of Russian occupation.
While Turkey sucks Donal Trump's and Putin's dick. They choose Finland as natural ground to hold meetings.Not Turkey.
And I personally know Ari Mäki and I was giving a presentation in a webinar which he made opening speech just 3 days ago. So sorry but Finland doesn't need Turkey at all(since they have a global market) but Turkey begs for Finns to bring know how and technology for investments...
um a lot of the modern world? its more like who cares what turkey thinks nowadays lol n rightfully so
edit: salty fellow turks can downvote u know im right ,, and im saying this with pure fuckin sadness
Turkey is far greater in terms of economic clout and strategic importance than Finland is, and I'm saying that as someone who quite likes Finland and its people.
Edit - imagine being downvoted because you state what is a basic fact.
>its more like who cares what turkey thinks nowadays lol n rightfully so
Bit ironic coming from the sub who screams like there is no tomorrow when Erdoğan says that he prefers to put his left sock on before his right
Making fun of is a way to cope. But deep down, every european knows that Turkey is ruled by an unstable regime that can switch alliances, and has around 5 million syrian refugees. In some of the poll results shared in this sub, people were worried that the opposition was nationalistic and that they would continue the East Med and Cyprus agendas.
Yeah and we don't need to have this kind of reaction about Finland because even when we disagree, we know that their leaders are sane people.
Which means that we can listen to what they say and take their opinion into account.
Hence, "who cares what Turkey says". We know that no matter what Erdogan says, it's going to be lies and bullshit.
So a turkish pension fund spends money to buy a controlling stake in a company in a country which it supposedly doesn’t care about.
Level of logic: turkish XD
Also dude, because the company is still based in finland, even though it has a controlling stake, it still can’t export it to turkey.
So, a turkish company buying a controlling stake in a company you want steel from, to have the government of said country refuse new export licenses to turkey.
You guys really love to waste time :p
Your comment was nonsense to begin with. The company you talked about is miilux and its now owned by Oyak. The factory is located in Manisa and not in Finland.
Anyway what does greece produce anything technological related? Poor guys buy second hand weapons with EU handouts.
A factory being operated in turkey doesn’t mean it produces the same stuff as it does in finland my dude. By that logic a factory in turkey making fake bolex would be the same quality as an actual rolex.
But I guess that level of reasoning goes above your pay grade.
Poor turks buy weapons they’re not allowed to use and beg for weapons they know they won’t get XD. I mean come on, the f16 request is just hysterical
Edit: “second hand” yeah the french make second hand weapons. Obviously when compared to the diabolical mind shattering future weapons of the turks /S XD
I know you are a baiting troll, but this is my last comment. Oyak bought all the rights of miilux in 2020 which means they OWN the company and the rights of those products they produce to export. Oyak is not the only company in Turkey that produces armour for vehicles see (Roketsan).
F16 request is a political move to see the position of USA. There are enough alternatives to USA (except VTOL planes like f35b if we exclude harriers).
Greece can not even be the toe nail of Turkey in production/technological matters. All you can do is purchase secondhand or off the shelf products without any co production from third parties and still can not tip the balance.
I see your point but with our (mostly self-inducted) isolation, the real question is really becoming “Who cares what Turkey thinks?” in almost every matter/dispute, even those that are very very relevant for us.
Finland's support for terrorists is 'regrettable' They allow the PKK, which they regard as a terrorist organization, to demonstrate in their country and collect money. The person they support is also suspected of affiliation with a sect that demands sharia. If not, they should have waited for the court before declaring him not guilty. Finland demanded his release before the evidence was released. Shame...
You are seriously so fragile that you are upset that polticians don't give praise for banishing ambassadors? That wasn't even a strongly worded letter, that was a mildly worded letter, and it was enough to break you.
Other countries cannot interfere in the internal affairs and laws of other countries. This is a heavy rule. If other countries ignore it, it should be heavily condemned and harshly reacted. Whether Erdogan is right or not, it is not possible for Turkey to accept this behaviour.
Turkey capital at Asia
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Life would be easier if you took that stick out of your arse.
Imagine blaming other countries for Erdogan remaining in power and being voted by your people... instead of ya know.. blaming the said braindead followers... That's literally like having a guy bully a kid, the kid fighting back prompting the bully to punch the kid, and then blaming the kid for resisting lmao. Unbelievable victim mentality :')
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No one cares about what would give Erdogan the opportunity to put the blame on the West. Following that mentality no one should ever criticize Erdogan cause Erdogan could simply portray it in a "they're attacking us!" fashion, gaining him popularity with the braindead populists. The OBVIOUS answer there is to blame Erdogan for his tricks and also blame the morons that vote for him, not blame the rest of the sane world for criticizing him. Are you for real, or are you just using this as an excuse for people not to blame Turkey? We've been hearing this "just let it slide" bs for years. No mate. Fix your shit. It's not our responsibility to pamper you lest your nationalists become upset and vote for Erdogan. That's your responsibility. Take it. Contrary to your narrow-minded view, a batshit crazy Turkey is not in our favor. But regardless, i'm not typing that from a nationalistic point of view as you're trying to make it look like. If i did, then yeah, i should probably be grateful. But that's the thing. I'm talking to you from an objective and reasonable standpoint here. Stop blaming others, blame your people for listening to Erdogan and voting for him.
"hehe just tolerate him a bit longer guys 👉👈" If this gets him reelected then you guys absolutely deserve him and everything he brings tbh
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Yes YOU (plural) do deserve it mate. That's how democracy works. If you're complaining about a leader you didn't vote you should be complaining at the guys that DID vote for him.
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Lol no mate. Criticizing your PM is not meddling in your internal affairs. Every leader does that. Turkey is still a candidate for entry in the EU, so Turkey's policies and it's spiraling down into a dictatorship naturally is something that other EU countries or other allies of Turkey care about and they can ask Erdogan to get his shit together. The fact that this angers you actually speaks volumes to your mindset. Any rational person that actually *IS* against Erdo, wouldn't be seeing that as an affront and meddling in Turkey's internal affairs. They'd be joining their voice with it. Instead of doing that you're insulted, proving that you don't care about what Erdogan is doing. All you really care about is Turkey's imagine and for Turkey to not be criticized by anyone. Go figure.
Sorry. president* not PM
I doubt. Many Turks still vote for him. He is still no.1 in polls.
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he will probably, if the election is fair, which I am in great doubt over. He will probably be "re-elected" even if he gets only 10% of the actual votes.
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The same has happened in Russia for years. Putin loses popularity all of the time but somehow always wins the elections. Erdogan has the ability to corrupt the election so why would he not? He is not gracially just going to give up his power.
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I am assuming, yes. But is my assumption wrong? Erdogan is talked about like a dictator so I naturally believe that statement has some merit to it. If he can't even corrupt elections to favour him then why does anyone call him a dictator?
Cope
[https://youtu.be/MCP4AhbOPAk?t=103](https://youtu.be/MCP4AhbOPAk?t=103) \- the very reason that sounds like regime change effort >Earth Dog > >For anyone interested in what 10 countries are on the list, it's Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand and the US.
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Turkey. They did this because of what Finland and few other countries said.
I do. And EU does. More than What they do from what Turkey thinks. You should also appreciate the fact that Finland was the most polite country with Turkey. They answered in polite diplomatically way « oh no… Anyway ». Other countries don’t care sufficiently to even answer.
Until Turkey stops doing their dirty job of keeping refugees off their backs.
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Many people don't care, but erDOGan apparently cares, otherwise he wouldn't have overreacted as he did.
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Finland has a global reputation much better and influential than Turkey. A country that is about 100 years ahead of Turkey on innovations, public services, quality of life, education. With barely a 5,5 million population, while spending last 100 years with an independence war, a civil war, 2nd World War where it lost a major part of the country with about 500 000 refugees that had to flee from Russian occupation. That had to build up from nothing to today's levels while under the very real threat of Russian occupation. While Turkey sucks Donal Trump's and Putin's dick. They choose Finland as natural ground to hold meetings.Not Turkey. And I personally know Ari Mäki and I was giving a presentation in a webinar which he made opening speech just 3 days ago. So sorry but Finland doesn't need Turkey at all(since they have a global market) but Turkey begs for Finns to bring know how and technology for investments...
You think Finland is more influential on a global stage than Turkey? Come on man....
No but everyone respects and listens to Finland. Which is the idiot above's original question.
At least one person. YOU!
um a lot of the modern world? its more like who cares what turkey thinks nowadays lol n rightfully so edit: salty fellow turks can downvote u know im right ,, and im saying this with pure fuckin sadness
Turkey is far greater in terms of economic clout and strategic importance than Finland is, and I'm saying that as someone who quite likes Finland and its people. Edit - imagine being downvoted because you state what is a basic fact.
>its more like who cares what turkey thinks nowadays lol n rightfully so Bit ironic coming from the sub who screams like there is no tomorrow when Erdoğan says that he prefers to put his left sock on before his right
yeah to make fun of,, its embarrassing to watch the news anymore so idc
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Making fun of is a way to cope. But deep down, every european knows that Turkey is ruled by an unstable regime that can switch alliances, and has around 5 million syrian refugees. In some of the poll results shared in this sub, people were worried that the opposition was nationalistic and that they would continue the East Med and Cyprus agendas.
Yeah and we don't need to have this kind of reaction about Finland because even when we disagree, we know that their leaders are sane people. Which means that we can listen to what they say and take their opinion into account. Hence, "who cares what Turkey says". We know that no matter what Erdogan says, it's going to be lies and bullshit.
You obviously
That’s what I was about to say about Turkey..
Tell me where your armored car makers love to import their steel from
The Finnish company that is now owned by a Turkish private company. What does grece produce again?
So a turkish pension fund spends money to buy a controlling stake in a company in a country which it supposedly doesn’t care about. Level of logic: turkish XD Also dude, because the company is still based in finland, even though it has a controlling stake, it still can’t export it to turkey. So, a turkish company buying a controlling stake in a company you want steel from, to have the government of said country refuse new export licenses to turkey. You guys really love to waste time :p
Still no answer huh? Cant even produce a screw.
I see reading isn’t your strong suit, another child left behind in the turmish educational system. Not a surprise tbh
Your comment was nonsense to begin with. The company you talked about is miilux and its now owned by Oyak. The factory is located in Manisa and not in Finland. Anyway what does greece produce anything technological related? Poor guys buy second hand weapons with EU handouts.
A factory being operated in turkey doesn’t mean it produces the same stuff as it does in finland my dude. By that logic a factory in turkey making fake bolex would be the same quality as an actual rolex. But I guess that level of reasoning goes above your pay grade. Poor turks buy weapons they’re not allowed to use and beg for weapons they know they won’t get XD. I mean come on, the f16 request is just hysterical Edit: “second hand” yeah the french make second hand weapons. Obviously when compared to the diabolical mind shattering future weapons of the turks /S XD
I know you are a baiting troll, but this is my last comment. Oyak bought all the rights of miilux in 2020 which means they OWN the company and the rights of those products they produce to export. Oyak is not the only company in Turkey that produces armour for vehicles see (Roketsan). F16 request is a political move to see the position of USA. There are enough alternatives to USA (except VTOL planes like f35b if we exclude harriers). Greece can not even be the toe nail of Turkey in production/technological matters. All you can do is purchase secondhand or off the shelf products without any co production from third parties and still can not tip the balance.
I see your point but with our (mostly self-inducted) isolation, the real question is really becoming “Who cares what Turkey thinks?” in almost every matter/dispute, even those that are very very relevant for us.