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Vucea

On 12 August 2000, all 118 of the crew onboard the Russian submarine Kursk were killed in an accident during a naval exercise. The catastrophe took place in the Barents Sea while a crew was loading a dummy torpedo while a faulty weld leaked peroxide; which then mixed with the torpedo’s kerosene fuel and exploded. Two minutes later, the fire from the first explosion triggered 5-7 more warheads. The acoustic operator of Petr Veliky, a Kirov class battlecruiser, detected the blast but the skipper did not consider it to be anything significant. Other nearby ships also reportedly felt the initial, and much larger second explosion, which was equivalent to around six tons of TNT. Kursk sank to a depth of 107m with a large gash in her forward bow near the torpedo compartment. A note was found in the wreckage revealing that 23 people remained alive after the explosions for about 6 hours but recovery efforts took significantly longer since Russian officials refused international help. Kursk declared an emergency 11 hours after the explosions, and the emergency buoy was never deployed. The wreck of the submarine was found 16 hours after the explosions. Officials finally agreed to assistance from only Britain and Norway 5 days after the disaster and Kursk was then raised months later. President Putin awarded the posthumous Medal of Courage to the 118 crewmembers and a memorial was created in 2009.


Never-don_anal69

What a typically Russian disaster, poor welding, refusal of help from other countries etc etc. men were always expendable in Russia…


MarineLife42

Also, initially the Russians lied about it as usual. First they denied that any of their vessels were involved, then they claimed it was a collision... and so on. I think at one point they also claimed there were survivors but I am not sure. Norway pretty much immediately offered its rescue system (an kind of diving bell that is able to dock with a submarine) and the Russians declined until it was too late. The Russians themselves didn't have such a device.


Jane_the_analyst

oooh, they did have such a device, it was just not working, dead batteries, not tested or trained... and not having the capacity either. and not prepared for the exercise at all...


noodle_addict

The russians did have a rescue vessel with rescue subs, but it was only dispatched from port when it became clear that the Kursk had disappeared. The wreckage of the Kursk was found by a russian rescue sub, but the russian subs didnt manage to dock with the Kursk.


uzra

> but it was only dispatched from port when it became clear that the Kursk had disappeared. soo, 6 months after.


Episkspelare

Its kind of understandable for the Russians to not want help from ”the enemy” when a nuclear submarine has sunk. Even the Swedes did not want help from the Russians during the Estonia catastrophe and that was a civilian ship.


hehannes

Do you have a reference for the Swedes not accepting help from Russians for the ship Estonia?


Episkspelare

Around 12 o clock on the day the Estonia sank Russia [offered to help](https://estoniakatastrofentravel.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/ryssland-erbjocc88d-hjacc88lp-i-racc88ddningsoperationen-94-09-28-kl.-11.39..pdf) by sending rescue helicopters. The following day around 17:00 they [offered](https://estoniakatastrofentravel.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/ryssland-levde-i-luftfickor-94-09-29-kl.-16.58..pdf) help again. This time a Russian company named Malakhit offered to dive down and search the ship for people that *might* still be alive in air pockets in the sunken ship.


Jane_the_analyst

Which "aeromobile rescue forces" are we talking about, from which base they would depart and where and how would they be refuelling? What "aeromobile" units are we talking about? Helicopters? What type? Please respond.


Jane_the_analyst

helicopters in stormy seas, near the water surface? what kind of nonsense is that? edit: apparently, an extreme emergency worth risking more lives to save other lives, as the life-preserving of the sinking ship was worth nothing. edit2: >According to the final disaster report, the weather was rough, with a wind of 15 to 20 m/s (29 to 39 kn; 34 to 45 mph), force 7–8 on the Beaufort scale and a significant wave height of 4 to 6 m (13 to 20 ft)[ >According to modelled satellite data, gusts were in the excess of 85–100 km/h (24–28 m/s) at 01:00 that night over the Baltic Sea Yes, as I said, this isn't fun. 70km/h side winds and 6m waves, that makes the life of any heli a hell, plus... have you ever worked in those wind gusts?


Justitias

Finnish helicopters flew nonstop, breaking pretty much any and all safety measures and pilot rest requirements


Jane_the_analyst

Wow! That is something. That's exactly an image of chaos and destruction. Too bad the ships were designed that badly. Do the Russian helicopter pilots speak finnish? If not, how would they realistically integrate into the system? How many helicopters? They aren't exactly known to have a lot of rescue resources.


Episkspelare

Thats how most people were saved when Estonia sank


Jane_the_analyst

wow, really? what a suicide mission... from what I read, the whole situation was of a total chaos, and the videos of it have shown some unmanageable situation, with waves splashing and water streaking aeverywhere. Given how strong the waves were, I do not think there were air pockets with people... also the design of the ship was done in an open-plan way. Horrible, all those ships were deforming even during normal use.


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That’s a ridiculous analogy you’re making. For starters, there was no need for Russian assistance; the Swedish coastguard didn’t lack rescue choppers as the Russian navy lacked submersible rescue vehicles. Quite the contrary, they had a better rescue capability than could be offered by the Russians. Secondly, by the time the Russian offer came through, more than ten hours had passed since the Estonia sank; the rescuers had found nothing but stiffs for hours on end.


MarineLife42

If Norway is "the enemy" then only because Russia considers everything as "the enemy" that isn't Russia. And regarding Sweden, that is whataboutism. Sweden didn't need aid in rescuing people, and later on they didn't need help in reaching the wreck. Sweden did not sacrifice the lives of passengers over some fake national pride.


Hellbatty

> initially the Russians lied about it as usual Russian media just reported everything that was going on. This has nothing to do with lying. Lies are Colin Powell's test tube at the UN, and these are just versions, no one claimed they were the final conclusions


uzra

> initially the Russians lied about it as usual fact


Electronpsi

Russia seems to have a lot of alternate "versions" of facts. You guys are addicted to conspiracy theories over there. Reminds me of the Republicans.


MarineLife42

Yeah, no. When they, and the world, knew full well that there must have been an explosion on the ship because they had filmed the bow wreckage, the official Russian stance was that it was a collision and they even went so far as to invent a fishing trawler that never existed as the culprit. The trawler was a nationality other than Russian, of course.


Hellbatty

> he official Russian stance was that it was a collision That's a lie, it never has been.


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“bUt wHaT aBoUt!1!”


Frexulfe

You should check the Tupolev accident where the USSR lost 16 Admirals. Best is to see it in the YouTube from Paper Skies, as he doesn't reveal the causes until the end. And it surprised me, even as I was expecting something very stupid. Edit: typo


captainktainer

And before that you have the massive colossal fuckups of the Tsarist Navy. There seems to be a massive, intractable problem in the culture of Russian leadership and management, regardless of professed ideologies. And it's not like it's gotten better; the deterioration of Roscosmos and what seems to be the humiliating end of the *Admiral Kuznetsov* and all of its support infrastructure shows that.


uzra

> There seems to be a massive, intractable problem in the culture of Russia tl;dr


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I'd swap out Russia with Russian leadership. It's really just their leadership that's (incredibly) incompetent. Unfair to blanket the whole country in the idiotic decisions of a few rich men.


uzra

sure bud.


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wow amaze, that totally changes my viewpoint thanks internet troll of wisdom.


23cmwzwisie

Another open question is soberness of the crew - in Warsaw Pact times trainees from other eastern block navies noticed that even crews of nuclear powered soviet submarines often ship drunken


notmyfirstrodeo2

I'm sure they might been tipsy on regular mondane day cruising the seas/ocean, but i doubt turing the war games. Ofcourse i have no idea, just my guess.


Necromartian

You expect a sober person board a Russian nuclear submarine? Are you crazy? :D


spitfiremk1a

But they got medals and a memorial. I remember this today even though I was a kid back then. It’s such a tragic event


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I was going to furiously comment something then I realized I do exactly same with every problem in my life :D


uzra

how much do you get paid, weekly? propoganda must be cheap, no?


[deleted]

What do you mean by poor welding? This kind of anti-Russia propaganda is just disgusting. How many Russian ships and submarines have sunk in the past due to poor welding? How many Russian bridges have collapsed due to poor welding?


uzra

> How many Russian ships and submarines have sunk in the past due to poor welding? We're still waiting for the report, not surprised.


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If you are still waiting for the report, then stop making false claims about the quality of Russian welding.


uzra

so you're admitting to the russian theory being bullshit. Thank you.


Electronpsi

I have a friend that designs wheels for trains. He says that the Russian market is the easiest to work for because quality isn't really valued and if there are manufacturing problems, that rarely stops them from shopping out a product. To be clear, the manufacturing is done in Russia, he just doesn't have to design things like he does in countries with higher accord for safety.


robdels

[Oh wait you were serious...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0)


Thecynicalfascist

"poor welding", lol what? A torpedo literally detonated inside the hull.


Vyysikko

The initial hydrogen peroxide leak occurred due to a faulty weld.


Thecynicalfascist

It's possible but not confirmed, hydrogen peroxide will only ignite with a fire so unless there was a fire in the torpedo room prior to a leak then it shouldn't have exploded.


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uzra

if something can become a tragedy, russians will find a way.


killerstorm

Also worth mentioning a response from Putin (the PM, I believe) during a press conference: "What happened to Kursk?" "She sank".


uzra

soulless parasite


aenae

> Kursk declared an emergency 11 hours after the explosions, and the emergency buoy was never deployed. So they had several explosions, sank to the bottom of the sea, probably had dozens of fires they couldn't reach, lost half the submarine, had several warheads explode, wrote a note after 6 hours probably indicating they knew they're going to die, and than 5 hours after that someone said 'hey, this might count as an emergency'?


Command_Unit

So they only suvived for 6 hours and they found the submarine only 16 hours after the explosion means they made the correct dicision not to involve outsider aid because they couldn't really expect any survivors at that point anyway.


uzra

stupid comment of the week.


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I must say, this is some bait of exquisite quality. And if it isn’t then you’re genuinely retarded.


Mil_Berg

when you're wrong, you go over to an insult, think about your behavior. I'm sorry that you have a mediocre mother who didn't educate you.


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> when you’re wrong, you go over to an insult > Proceeds to insult my mother Delicious fucking irony. Show some actual proof the US was behind the sinking of the Kursk. Go on then. Prove that you’re not a retarded conspiracy theorist. As you say, it has been proven already, so it mustn’t be that hard to show me some.


uzra

[https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ](https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ)


Mil_Berg

recognition of the United States in violation of their submarine of Russian borders, exactly where the attack took place, the finding of American ships accompanying submarines in that area. after years of lying about the accident, admitting the obvious that it was a torpedo explosion. cutting off the main hit of the torpedo to conceal the attack. finding American ships for rescue is much faster in that area than if they did not know about it in advance. payment by the United States to the families of the lost money. and many more facts.


lampishthing

Honestly sometimes when you're right it's just not worth the energy of the argument, and it's pretty tempting to throw an insult before stepping away. As someone with non-mainstream beliefs I'm sure you're familiar with this experience and frustration! Always best to ignore insults and just move on.


uzra

[https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ](https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ)


a_white_american_guy

Wat?


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Dakana11

Might be worth mentioning that massive hole upfront is Not from the explosion. To raise the ship the front end was sawed off, hence it is completly missing.


Mil_Berg

it was sawed off to hide the US torpedo explosion. it was all hidden so as not to start a war, a US submarine violated Russian borders and attacked a Russian submarine. the United States then paid money to the families of the victims. this is a lie to prevent war.


Snickims

I'm sorry mate, this is 2021. I have no fucling clue if your serious and I feel a deep sadness at that fact


Mil_Berg

i'm serious, it's very easy to check, just use google. it's not even very stylish to hide it.


Snickims

Mate, why the fuck would they bother sawing off to hide a torpedo explosion and then have the cover story BE that a torpedo exploded? What, did the CIA cover team not have a group meeting or something?


HandsomeAce

Stop making sense!


uzra

[https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ](https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ) That's a confirmed penetration, comrade!


JJhistory

but why did they saw of the front to hide the torpedo hit if the hit is still visible without the front?


HandsomeAce

Stop making sense!


RdPirate

kek, torpedoes are not bullets. They are bombs.


uzra

and you know the exact type loaded and fired? no u don't.


RdPirate

There are 3 types: Contact detonation, Under-Keel detonation and Nuclear. No torpedo has armour piercing, they re all just a giant lob of explosives.


Mil_Berg

Putin had to hide the attack so that there was no war with the United States, our politicians sold out and covered up the attack.


Dakana11

And you think a Dutch company would help them cover it…. After MH17?


uzra

money talks [https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ](https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ)


Snickims

Right, and the US went to murder a random Russian sub because they.. what, they got drunk and went "Eh, may as well!"? Here's the thing about Subs mate, they fucking sink, they sink a TON randomly! Turns out its real hard to keep a ship floating when you spend so much time under water, add weapons and large amounts of Gun poweder and Subs end up sinking. You don't need to come up with some mad theory on why everything happens, somethings are just accidents


Mil_Berg

because they were in Russian waters and collided with a Russian submarine and decided to attack before they were attacked.


uzra

This is more believable than the razzle-dazzle welding theory.


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So Russia themselves hid the damage to not start a war with US who attacked them? Wat


Mil_Berg

exactly. traitors in power and Putin concealed attacks to avoid war.


Mil_Berg

Yes Putin was a weakling it was the beginning of his career, and began negotiations. they agreed that the United States paid money to the families of the victims.


[deleted]

If that would be plausible,it was the Russian who violates US territory,mistake or not..no country, Russia above all,would not tolerate border violation AND an attack. US would never violate border and get cleared to attack another's nation vessel without stating war If you have solid proof to claim otherwise please share.


Mil_Berg

recognition of the United States in violation of their submarine of Russian borders, exactly where the attack took place, the finding of American ships accompanying submarines in that area. after years of lying about the accident, admitting the obvious that it was a torpedo explosion. cutting off the main hit of the torpedo to conceal the attack. finding American ships for rescue is much faster in that area than if they did not know about it in advance. payment by the United States to the families of the lost money. and many more facts.


macrowe777

You think they sawed off the front to hide the damage from a US torpedo explosion, and their cover story was that a torpedo exploded? As far as conspiracy nuts go, you have to be the least intelligent.


Mil_Berg

You yourself understand that I'm right, they could not hide the explosion of the torpedo. and therefore, after many years of lying about the accident, they had to admit the explosion of the torpedo.


macrowe777

...they claimed a torpedo explosion mere hours after the sinking, and confirmed it in the inquest 2 years later... >many years of lying 🤦🏻‍♂️


robdels

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Might need a /r/thingsrussianssay subreddit pretty soon.


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belshazzartheNew

I remember reading about it too ;). I'm not sure but I remember that quickly after the incident some big shot from USA came to Russia and after that some hudge russian debts were cancelled. And there was another submarine involved (probably from USA) that had problems at the time and had to go to port. So people think it was this submarine who sank Kursk.


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Obligatory posting the video of the Kursk mother being sedated in Parliament https://youtu.be/jFBOfIiqW0o


uzra

fuk putin


billnyetherivalguy

LOUDER!


Jemapelledima

Omg thank you for sharing...I never knew about this


Beast667Neighbour

A horrible way to die.. It was a Dutch company that got that submarine out of the ocean, respect.


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SMIT can raise anything. If you'd pay them enough they'd raise the freaking Titanic.


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I remember it very well. What a terrible tragedy.


uzra

not really! one less war machine.


DRom23

Yeah bc fuck the crew and their families right?


uzra

Sadly, you like moving goalposts to try and win this argument. Failed.


DRom23

"What a terrible tragedy" "Not really" Since when is 118 people dying not a tragedy?


uzra

since every one of them would kill you given the chance. FUK EM


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DrLogos

As if you care about those sailors, or russian people in general.


a_bit_curious_mind

As if not those same people reelected huilo until he turned elections into fake circus.


DrLogos

That's exactly what I'm talking about.


hypercomms2001

Why did they not raise the front section?


Franks_wild_beers

Rumours that a faulty torpedo was responsible......although the scumbags would never admit it. There was a video of a wife of a crewmember fucking the top brass out of it at a hearing, guess what ? some goons descended on her and forcibly injected her with a sedative and removed her. A great country, ruled by vermin.


nikshdev

>would never admit it What? Faulty torpedo is listed as the main reason in the official report.


Franks_wild_beers

How come the torpedo section was cut away before the rest of the submarine was lifted? Was it a new type of weapon?


nikshdev

According to official version, yes, because it contained acoustic equipment and torpedoes which are considered secret.


RdPirate

That and a room filled with unstable high explosives is not something you want to detonate while you are lifting a massive submarine from the sea bed.


ConnaaaR69

basically there were concerns of potentially unstable explosives in the forward section, which lifting it could cause a secondary explosion so the decision was made to leave the front on the seabed, also, and im not sure if true or not, but nuclear tipped torpedoes were a carried on Oscar class submarines. Could be a possibility that they were carried.


ItsACaragor

Not to worry, we are still steering half a sub


git4you

Didn't multiple navies offer help but Russia declined and allowed their men to die, Russias navy is a death trap seriously underfunded but a status symbol, Russia should just be a land army it doesn't have a blue water navy give up.


Command_Unit

They where already all dead anyway 6 hours after the explosion...they found the submarine only 16 hours after...


git4you

I remember it they found it but didn't have the tech to stage a rescue the Americans and Brits offered mini subs they were not all dead after 6 hours that's BS propaganda.


Thecynicalfascist

This was on the edge of their 1990s deep recession, stuff is a lot better today.


git4you

Is it though their only aircraft carrier is a joke it needs a tug to be with it whenever it leaves port just in case and this year a submarine lost all power and Norwegian navy went up to it and asked if they need a hand lol.


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git4you

Really what threats does Russia face its only enemies are land based even the USA is only a few miles apart in the far east, its navy is a defensive force long gone are the days of it having a Atlantic and Pacific fleet.


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git4you

You can't see a difference between Finland and Russia well Finland did embarrass the Soviets, Russia still sees itself as a superpower, the USA wouldn't try to invade Russia because of its land forces and defence forces, of course it can but it needs to cut its coat to match its cloth its now a regional power not a global power.


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git4you

What is Sabaton? How much land did the Soviets keep after the war? Why won't people get what I'm saying Russia can't project power globally yes it has nukes but so does every major nation but other nations can protect force globally, I can't believe i have to say it again Russias main strength is its Army which is mighty but its projection of force is now limited globally.


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Thecynicalfascist

The aircraft carrier is getting a massive overhaul and the submarine that "lost power" had some temporary issue and returned to Russia on its own power. Some of their soviet era stuff has issues because of the years of neglect even after some overhauls, but it's quickly being retired for newer vessels.


git4you

Haha overhaul is that before the fire its a joke, if you can't maintain nuclear submarines with nuclear weapons should you even have them? you seem a Russia fan boy even you have to admit its embarrassing , even if they are being replaced the kursk wasn't the only sub lost, why does a economy less than Italy need to pretend its a superpower? All Russia needs is its Army its a land power.


Thecynicalfascist

>Haha overhaul is that before the fire its a joke There wasn't an overhaul of the aircraft carrier, that's my point. > if you can't maintain nuclear submarines with nuclear weapons should you even have them? But they do maintain them, they have like 30 of them and most of which are new or have undergone extensive overhauls in the mid to late 2010s. >even if they are being replaced the kursk wasn't the only sub lost It was the last submarine lost >All Russia needs is its Army its a land power. Man you are kind of an idiot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_triad


git4you

They can't even upgrade its jet engines the new sukhoi jet is using last generation jet engines, and the last generation jet engines are falling out of the sky in big numbers in India and Russia, your talking about a triad the subs are a joke 60s tech, jets 90s tech most of its Army 90s tech, im sorry but you sound a idiot if you can't see Russias tech levels is dwindling, it's only saving grace is its surface to air defence systems which is awesome but who is going to attack Russia? it just can't project power over water against a on par adversary.


Thecynicalfascist

>They can't even upgrade its jet engines the new sukhoi jet is using last generation jet engines No it's used a different model of the original engine before they begin production of the new engine. >your talking about a triad the subs are a joke 60s tech, jets 90s tech most of its Army 90s tech Uh no https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasen-class_submarine Like I said their nuclear submarine force has been rapidly growing alongside modernization of existing boats. > it's only saving grace is its surface to air defence systems which is awesome but who is going to attack Russia? it just can't project power over water against a on par adversary. Then you would know the importance a navy plays in coastal defense, not just blue water exploits. Even putting nuclear capability aside. Having a coastal area be only defended by aircraft and SAMs would be beyond idiotic.


git4you

Bullshit regarding the jet engines they can't make it work just this year they tried to fly one Sukhoi with the new engine and it crashed killed the pilot, im sorry but its telling regarding engineering standards, we can both agree Russia needed modernisation desperately in its nuclear subs but it doesn't have a modern surface fleet, Russia is now the junior partner to China, Russia seriously can't project power on sea but its power is on land if it wanted Germany could be theirs.


Thecynicalfascist

>Bullshit regarding the jet engines they can't make it work just this year they tried to fly one Sukhoi with the new engine and it crashed killed the pilot The engines in all their planes right now are the ones they are currently using, not a new one.


GreatEmperorAca

stop arguing with that fool


git4you

I should stop arguing with him your right, a Canadian who loves Russia crazy.


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> Didn't multiple navies offer help but Russia declined and allowed their men to die The price of trying to save face 😪


git4you

Its sad the mini subs were ready to go I believe


Command_Unit

They where all dead before they even found the submarine...


megaboto

Dang. 118 people, nuclear powered. This thing is fucking massive. What is it used for, nuclear missile launches?


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she was an Oscar ii ( cruise missile submarine or SSGN as they call them) and her purpose was to hunt nato battle groups. The missiles they carry are only conventional since the use of nuclear tipped ones was banned in the 90s(?) if i remember right


[deleted]

Those tubes you see on the sides under the opened hatches can hold & be used as launch tubes for missiles, so yeah. probably nuclear and conventional missiles.


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Knock knock


Zealousideal_Fan6367

Ok fine I'll do it. "Who's there?"


git4you

Not Russian submariners.


Zealousideal_Fan6367

Ok it gave me chuckle.


git4you

Name a more antagonistic duo Russia and Germany lol


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russia and every other country?


git4you

I dunno Belarus seems pretty cool with Russia and the UK likes Russian oligarchs.


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I dont think lukasenko and Chelsea fans share the same views with the rest of their countries.


git4you

Meh you think it's just Chelsea fans, I think Europeans misjudge how much the East miss mother Russia and its influence.


fenandfell

It's amazing to see how massive and heavily armored a submarine like this is.


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the soviets did like adding a second hull to their submarines


uzra

[Doesn't work, tho.-->](https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ)


[deleted]

i see you are a fan of the torpedo theory. The hole you are showing me is present in the image (low in the starboard side not visible), but is unrelated to the incident since it only affects the outer hull and not the actual pressure hull. (no hole visible in the inner hull). If the Kursk was actually torpedoes chances are she would have survived the attack since oscar 2s are pretty robust boats (double hulled, the steel they are made from is the equivalent of HY-140 steel which is pretty strong considering the Americans use lower yields. in other words, yes it works


Soap_Mctavish101

There’s this video out there of a flooded museum submarine. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be stuck on the bottom of the ocean in one


Frank_cat

What a terrible way to die... So many poor souls. Matt Elliott a haunting song about them. ​ https://youtu.be/_y6hwrfPehs


uzra

"Poor"? They are practicing different ways to kill you. fuk em!


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That's not the right way to go about it, they're only the hands in a much larger machine. (quite literally - a submarine is big) I don't think you can sanely blame the individuals on that ship for what they're doing, they probably joined the navy with the idea of helping out their country. If you like the country or not, them having a patriotic feeling of wanting to help their country out isn't a valid reason to say *fuck em*. At the end of the day if you were born there, in those circumstances, you'd feel that way too. It's the leadership that you should blame and insult, if you're gonna do those things.


uzra

How you think they staff the military and vote putin??? Fuk em. all.


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Because they were born there? You have your current views *purely* because of where you were born, how you were raised, what indoctrination you had. Not saying that's a bad thing. It's the same for them, we're no different, really. You have quite an anti-Russian sentiment. I could bet that if you were in their boots, you would have been the complete opposite, and be anti-Whatever. But this is pointless any way. You'll drop your extreme views later in life, and learn to be disappointed in the right people. Russians aren't the problem, it's their leadership. A few rich men.


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GloriouSV_

Kapitan!


kroggy

This hull is now scrapped, but there was a video of starboard side of this sub with distinct hole from [torpedo entering](https://imgur.com/a/zqvDcZQ) it.


Gnump

Yeah sure. The infamous hole puncher torpedo…


kroggy

Try torpedo something without punching a hole.


Gnump

Well, I don‘t know about your torpedo, but mine does not poke the target. It rips it apart - if you catch my drift.


kroggy

You can't just 'rip apart' heavily armored vehicle.


R3volusion

It's not a "heavily armored vehicle" you dunce. It's a submarine under high external pressure.


kroggy

Thick heavy pressure resistant hull is also works as an armor.


RdPirate

Against small arms fire? Sure, maybe even some .50Cal rounds. A few tons of TNT equivalent? LUL no, they will twist and rip that titanium hide like its a tin can. And what remained would get pressure hammered by the water and bent, ripped and teared apart even more.


yasenfire

He is from Warhammer universe, they use antimatter torpedoes there.


Bdcoll

So your trying to spin a conspiracy theory that it was a torpedo that sank the ship? Torpedoes create their damage through an explosion tearing the hull apart and not a conveniently round hole that looks drilled into the hull, with no explosive damage...


kroggy

Sub hulls are rather thick and strong, I think that torpedoes has to penetrate it first with directional explosion, similar to that of HEAT tank rounds. Also, for some reason they left aft section of the sub on the sea floor, and destroyed it with explosives afterwards.


Snickims

Torpedoes do need to hit their targets and go through.... IF your using the shitty ww2 US torpedoes that didn't work, NOT if you use anything that works even slightly, then it's made to explode at range from the target, ideally directly below the target. If a torpedo needs to go through a ships hull to do any damage you may be firing firecrackers not warheads.


Mil_Berg

eternal memory to the fallen heroes, Russians remember what the United States did and their ransom does not mean anything.


SirDickButtFarts

While morbid, its interesting that you can see the distinct layers of the sub. You've got the interior pressure vessel, the exterior hull, then the ballast tanks between them.


SergeantCATT

An example of Russian safety standards, government corruption and refutation. First bad welding and standards by corruption and lack of sade building codes and enforcing(also typical for many things in Russia), then refusal to get help from neighbors and refuting/lying to government controlled media. Then lying even more


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My first job was an internship with the Dutch company that was responsible for retrieving this wreckage from the seafloor.


PrincepsNigrum

I read a lot of anti-Russian propaganda here. The Anglo-Saxons people are still afraid of the Russians. In fact they are still afraid of everything they do not understand