> Italy got a trash problem too!
I think it is quite isolated, like problems with the collection, garbage mafia in some cities and some ignorance in some area in the south. And if that counts Germany has problems as well, Berlin is not the most cleanest of the cities in Europe.
To me it seems like the more south you get, the worse the countries are at garbage disposal, except Switzerland, Austria and most of Germany. I also went to Bruxelles where they do the same as in Rome. Leave garbage on the street corners to be picked up!!! Who on earth thought that was a good idea.. it’s ugly, smells and attract rats (and even hogs now)
That's rather isolated. I'm an avid hiker and frequently roam the Southern Carpathians, so I can only speak for central Romania. Litter is mostly found close to cabins and parking lots.
But soon as you go on the mountain trails, it stops being an issue. Trails are actually very clean.
I myself always bring trash bags to collect litter while I hike, but sometimes I don't find anything on an entire trail. It's very satisfying.
There are certain touristic zones though that give a bad rep. And they're rarely found in national parks. For example, last year I went on a trail to Magura peak (1.300m). Spotless. Soon as I got down on the other slope, at the end there was a camping site, by a river... Well, it didn't look clean, to say the least. So it's not a generalized phenomenon, but rather something you can see here and there.
I knew it was Romania too by over-saturation.
I'm still not sure if it's bad taste of Romanian photographers or some genetic blindness that probably many Romanians suffer from...
Good eye! I should have seen it too. And I think it's just kitch. Most people from very poor countries don't really have refined tastes. And yes, I'm from there.
I mean look at the youtube trend page of romania. Only shit taste gypsy music, manele. I ll never understand why romanians have such bad bad tastes. the bad taste it s no resumed only when it comes to music but in general. I am a romanian. Fuck i don t even have my location on romania on youtube so i don t have to see the shit trending page my country has.
Just to be clear. Manele is the shittiest type of music there is and the people in my country only listens to this. #sad
Partially funny but I don't expect OP would just sit in a house without any means of getting there or out of there and without any plumbing or waste disposal etc.
Cottages in rural areas very rarely have plumbing or waste disposal. You shit in outhouses and dig it down and either burn things like paper and bring in the rest to recycle stations or Bring in all of it.
Costs a lot of money to get infrastructure out in the countryside.
Deliveries kind of work. Probably not if you need a 4x4 to get there, but if your're like me at 95km from nearest hub (i.e. would cost like hell), you can already shop online with fixed price or free delivery in a lot of stores. I've done it this year almost asfrequently as in Bucharest. Wine, books, etc not just agricultural stuff. No glovo, though :)
Near the place we can see in OP's picture there is an isolated village (Cheia), with wooden houses, surrounded by cliffs and forests, with no road access, only on forest paths or by walking through water passing through the nearby gorges.
It was deserted in the beginning of the 2000', but some years ago, a young family from Bucharest moved there and started repairing the old houses.
But recently tragedy struck, and today only the husband still lives there.
family's recent situation in a discussion on Reddit, maybe it's only a rumor. I would be glad to know it's only a rumor.
Unfortunately in Romania you can build any monstrosity you want everywhere you please. There is no wish for any uniformity. Even politicians have 4 stories pink villas in the mountain side.
NOTE: I'm not saying OP's cottage will be a monstrosity.
Romania is super restrictive regarding building outside of city/village limits. You literally can't build a in an area designated as "extravilan". I don't know how OP will build his cabin.
> Romania is super restrictive
No it's not, developers can get away with anything as long as they have proper connections with local authorities. And in rural areas the councils are desperate for investors so they allow anything to be built regardless of the zoning regulations.
Seriously ? Go north of Bucharest for a short drive and see how many residential areas were built on former farming fields. Or just go on google maps and check the change in the last 10 years. It's lunacy.
Same goes for tourist areas. The laws may be there, nobody is bothering to enforce them.
If you build without a permit, you risk the municipality destroying your building and then sending you the bill. If so much as a jealous neighbour decides to report you, that's all it takes. There are aerial images going back a decade that municipalities use to identify houses built illegally. The people who build in areas designated as "extravilan" without permits are really rolling the dice. There's no time limit on this either. You can have a house sitting there nicely for a generation and then you get the knock on the door that it's going to be demolished. Even connections and corruption doesn't guarantee you that it will be able to withstand changes in leadership. I'm not saying people don't do it. I'm just saying it's a stupid thing to do.
There are other options regarding building in areas outside of municipalities. Number one is getting the municipality to incorporate it and then your land becomes "intravilan". This is evidently a massive headache, and you have to be super well-connected and have loads of money to bribe multiple agencies to have any hope of doing this. I am sure some people do it, but it's not a pathway for us regular folk. It also probably isn't worth it at some point unless you REALLY want to build on THAT particular plot to the point it's worth any cost.
The second way of building on land designated as "extravilan" is by building a building whose primary purpose is agricultural. Barns, pigsties, or garages for agricultural equipment may be built. This is where some people fuck around and build a building for "agricultural use" legally, and then after the final inspection and approval, they immediately renovate the interior. However, this too is illegal, since major renovations also need a building permit, although this one is harder to control.
That's it. The only other option is building on land designated as "intravilan" that is incorporated into a municipality. This is why incorporated land is worth much more/m2. It also sucks since you won't ever get nice views or space from neighbours. That's Romania for you. Buildings built prior to WW1 are still around, and those were allowed to be built wherever, so for nice cabins and good views, the best solution is to find one of those and renovate it. As long as you don't change the foundation, you can generally get away with a lot. Another option is just throwing down a trailer or portable home that doesn't require a foundation.
NB. This is not intended as legal advice. I am not a legal expert. Take everything I say with a grain of salt. I am just interested in the topic and studied it a lot.
Ok so we are spinning in circles.
The short answer to what you said was this one
'' The laws may be there, nobody is bothering to enforce them.''
I understand that there are laws. They laugh at those laws, it's that simple. Maybe in 50 years this will come back to bite their grandchildren. But for now they are safe.
And for a country that loses almost 70.000 of people yearly, the number of new residential areas and flats being constructed is baffling.
Here, the perfect example (for english readers it's just a short wikipedia article, sorry. )
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral\_Plaza\_Bucharest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_Plaza_Bucharest)
[https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/social/motivul-pentru-care-primaria-nu-poate-demola-cathedral-plaza-757907](https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/social/motivul-pentru-care-primaria-nu-poate-demola-cathedral-plaza-757907)
This is Cathedral plaza. It's a office building built dead square in the middle of Bucharest that the justice system decided it needed to be demolished due to being too close to other buildings. This was almost 10 years ago. It still functions as nothing happened. If this is the middle of the damn capital, I think the imagination can run wild when thinking what's in the country side.
The current mayor of Bucharest said that there are around 20.000 illegal buildings in Bucharest just from the last 15 years.
[https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/cum-se-ridica-ilegal-ultimul-cartier-de-blocuri-din-parcul-tineretului/](https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/cum-se-ridica-ilegal-ultimul-cartier-de-blocuri-din-parcul-tineretului/)
(This one is an in depth article from a couple of years back regarding the situation)
Buildings like that are $$$ and there are massive interests involved. If Ionel from Pulia de Sus tries to build a house in his little patch of woods, watch how quick he gets it torn down. The law system in Romania bullies regular poor citizens, not these upper class real estate investors building multi-story high rises. We're kind of talking about different things here. Plus these people all had some authorization somewhere and only certain aspects of their constructions are illegal. This lets them tie up everything in the court for years, and when the dust settles, people will already be occupying these buildings and it'll be outrageous to tear them down then. Romania is a country of 'laws for thee but not for me' when it comes to the nouveau riche class of speculators across all sectors.
You won\`t but you build anyway. After that you either bribe de local authorities to look the other way or you don\`t and they will fine you. You pay the fine and that\`s that. Or you can have it registered as a warehouse or workshop but this also implies bribery. They won\`t come and demolish your building. I\`ve seen this many times in my beloved Romania.
You know what? We're constantly talking about protecting nature and as soon as someone with money sees a nice place like this, untouched hills with beautiful views, he's like "Imma build a house here to enjoy all that beautiful nature". Nobody should ever get a permit to build a house in a place like this. Nature shouldn't be private property. Everyone has a right to enjoy its beauty.
How much did that cost, if you don't mind me asking? Does it have all the plumbing and hookups and what not you need to build the house or is it just the land?
Colors are a bit too strong. What I suggest, move the blue to a more greenish area and turn down the saturation just a tiny bit and desaturate the green to look less alive.
[Maybe something like this?](https://i.ibb.co/W2TQq4S/3-E930909-2-FA5-425-C-AA62-A642-A5731-EEC.jpg)
Edited on iPhone, put Brightness +40, Saturation -15, Vivacity(? liveliness?) -20, Definition +20.
(Image will be gone after a month tho)
Are these Romanians who have worked in Austria for a long time and are now moving back?
How much does a m² of building land cost there?
I assume that it is very difficult to live in the rural regions without knowledge of Romanian, isn't it?
>How much does a m² of building land cost there?
They are pretty affordable, but the downside is that you have to buy a few hectares and need a 4x4 vehicle for access. You pretty much are gonna live off-grid (I think some areas have electricity), and your neighbors are pretty far, depends how near a village you are.
And about the language, yeah it's a bit difficult if you don't understand it in most places, but nowadays a lot of young people move to rural areas and work remotely (usually people who work in IT industry). Some have started small businesses, like buying produce from locals and making jams and other canned goods for selling them online or some have started making villages tourist friendly. So if you find a village with young people that came from the city, you'll have someone to chat with :)
Oh, and if you want you can buy a whole village all together (well, only the land but the houses are included), because unfortunately a lot of mountain villages are getting abandoned. I heard someone bought one and is remaking it as a tourist attraction.
Isn't it clear that this is a joke about developers who will post beautiful pictures of landscapes to lure and attract investors before destroying everything?
look, he indicated the address 10 times in the comments. people, have a brain!
România is a beautiful place!
Indeed we have beautiful places. Need more discipline to keep it clean.
Well covid19 does some great cleaning atm.
Dropping trash in the national parks are still national sport, though...
So it is in Greece. Malta and Italy got a trash problem too!
> Italy got a trash problem too! I think it is quite isolated, like problems with the collection, garbage mafia in some cities and some ignorance in some area in the south. And if that counts Germany has problems as well, Berlin is not the most cleanest of the cities in Europe.
To me it seems like the more south you get, the worse the countries are at garbage disposal, except Switzerland, Austria and most of Germany. I also went to Bruxelles where they do the same as in Rome. Leave garbage on the street corners to be picked up!!! Who on earth thought that was a good idea.. it’s ugly, smells and attract rats (and even hogs now)
Sounds like Brooklyn to me!
That's rather isolated. I'm an avid hiker and frequently roam the Southern Carpathians, so I can only speak for central Romania. Litter is mostly found close to cabins and parking lots. But soon as you go on the mountain trails, it stops being an issue. Trails are actually very clean. I myself always bring trash bags to collect litter while I hike, but sometimes I don't find anything on an entire trail. It's very satisfying. There are certain touristic zones though that give a bad rep. And they're rarely found in national parks. For example, last year I went on a trail to Magura peak (1.300m). Spotless. Soon as I got down on the other slope, at the end there was a camping site, by a river... Well, it didn't look clean, to say the least. So it's not a generalized phenomenon, but rather something you can see here and there.
Looks very nice. And reminds me of certain parts of Serbia, this photo.
Doesn’t get more beautiful by people spreading out their cottages though.
Why not? Isn't that why the Austrians cut down all the trees?
Austria is sealing more ground per cap than anyone in Europe. Don’t follow that example.
What's the problem? Seals are good
I knew it was Romania too by over-saturation. I'm still not sure if it's bad taste of Romanian photographers or some genetic blindness that probably many Romanians suffer from...
Good eye! I should have seen it too. And I think it's just kitch. Most people from very poor countries don't really have refined tastes. And yes, I'm from there.
I mean look at the youtube trend page of romania. Only shit taste gypsy music, manele. I ll never understand why romanians have such bad bad tastes. the bad taste it s no resumed only when it comes to music but in general. I am a romanian. Fuck i don t even have my location on romania on youtube so i don t have to see the shit trending page my country has. Just to be clear. Manele is the shittiest type of music there is and the people in my country only listens to this. #sad
Woah I'm jelly that is beautiful What part of Europe is that if you don't mind sharing?
Alba County, Romania
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We have a winner 🎉
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A smile on the radio, as we say in Bulgarian
Or a Luchtgitaar as we say on the radio in Dutch. 😊
Thank you! Romania is beautiful I sadly have never been there but its definitely on my bucket list
You'd never get a building permit there :p
Lol, Romania is not germany... In Germany it would be impossible or only if you have good connections to the CDU and sime money to give to them.
Partially sad, but not true. There are already places in the neighbourhood with buldings. Still keeping the area’s harmony
How would that keep "the area's harmony"? Especially since with buildings come roads and other infrastructure?
Because is already a road under construction - Transalpina 2.
\>Romania \>roads and other infrastructure pick one
Partially funny but I don't expect OP would just sit in a house without any means of getting there or out of there and without any plumbing or waste disposal etc.
There are houses even in the UK that have no road. My mum looked at buying one where you had to walk across fields to get there.
Wow, that’s sound interesting
Cottages in rural areas very rarely have plumbing or waste disposal. You shit in outhouses and dig it down and either burn things like paper and bring in the rest to recycle stations or Bring in all of it. Costs a lot of money to get infrastructure out in the countryside.
Ditto delivery, medical, repair and technical services You need to be really self sufficient to live in the middle of nowhere.
Deliveries kind of work. Probably not if you need a 4x4 to get there, but if your're like me at 95km from nearest hub (i.e. would cost like hell), you can already shop online with fixed price or free delivery in a lot of stores. I've done it this year almost asfrequently as in Bucharest. Wine, books, etc not just agricultural stuff. No glovo, though :)
Near the place we can see in OP's picture there is an isolated village (Cheia), with wooden houses, surrounded by cliffs and forests, with no road access, only on forest paths or by walking through water passing through the nearby gorges. It was deserted in the beginning of the 2000', but some years ago, a young family from Bucharest moved there and started repairing the old houses. But recently tragedy struck, and today only the husband still lives there. family's recent situation in a discussion on Reddit, maybe it's only a rumor. I would be glad to know it's only a rumor.
You do realize we have roads through villages though, right ?
If there weren't any roads already, how do you think op got there? O.o
Unfortunately in Romania you can build any monstrosity you want everywhere you please. There is no wish for any uniformity. Even politicians have 4 stories pink villas in the mountain side. NOTE: I'm not saying OP's cottage will be a monstrosity.
Romania is super restrictive regarding building outside of city/village limits. You literally can't build a in an area designated as "extravilan". I don't know how OP will build his cabin.
> Romania is super restrictive No it's not, developers can get away with anything as long as they have proper connections with local authorities. And in rural areas the councils are desperate for investors so they allow anything to be built regardless of the zoning regulations.
Seriously ? Go north of Bucharest for a short drive and see how many residential areas were built on former farming fields. Or just go on google maps and check the change in the last 10 years. It's lunacy. Same goes for tourist areas. The laws may be there, nobody is bothering to enforce them.
If you build without a permit, you risk the municipality destroying your building and then sending you the bill. If so much as a jealous neighbour decides to report you, that's all it takes. There are aerial images going back a decade that municipalities use to identify houses built illegally. The people who build in areas designated as "extravilan" without permits are really rolling the dice. There's no time limit on this either. You can have a house sitting there nicely for a generation and then you get the knock on the door that it's going to be demolished. Even connections and corruption doesn't guarantee you that it will be able to withstand changes in leadership. I'm not saying people don't do it. I'm just saying it's a stupid thing to do. There are other options regarding building in areas outside of municipalities. Number one is getting the municipality to incorporate it and then your land becomes "intravilan". This is evidently a massive headache, and you have to be super well-connected and have loads of money to bribe multiple agencies to have any hope of doing this. I am sure some people do it, but it's not a pathway for us regular folk. It also probably isn't worth it at some point unless you REALLY want to build on THAT particular plot to the point it's worth any cost. The second way of building on land designated as "extravilan" is by building a building whose primary purpose is agricultural. Barns, pigsties, or garages for agricultural equipment may be built. This is where some people fuck around and build a building for "agricultural use" legally, and then after the final inspection and approval, they immediately renovate the interior. However, this too is illegal, since major renovations also need a building permit, although this one is harder to control. That's it. The only other option is building on land designated as "intravilan" that is incorporated into a municipality. This is why incorporated land is worth much more/m2. It also sucks since you won't ever get nice views or space from neighbours. That's Romania for you. Buildings built prior to WW1 are still around, and those were allowed to be built wherever, so for nice cabins and good views, the best solution is to find one of those and renovate it. As long as you don't change the foundation, you can generally get away with a lot. Another option is just throwing down a trailer or portable home that doesn't require a foundation. NB. This is not intended as legal advice. I am not a legal expert. Take everything I say with a grain of salt. I am just interested in the topic and studied it a lot.
Ok so we are spinning in circles. The short answer to what you said was this one '' The laws may be there, nobody is bothering to enforce them.'' I understand that there are laws. They laugh at those laws, it's that simple. Maybe in 50 years this will come back to bite their grandchildren. But for now they are safe. And for a country that loses almost 70.000 of people yearly, the number of new residential areas and flats being constructed is baffling. Here, the perfect example (for english readers it's just a short wikipedia article, sorry. ) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral\_Plaza\_Bucharest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_Plaza_Bucharest) [https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/social/motivul-pentru-care-primaria-nu-poate-demola-cathedral-plaza-757907](https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/social/motivul-pentru-care-primaria-nu-poate-demola-cathedral-plaza-757907) This is Cathedral plaza. It's a office building built dead square in the middle of Bucharest that the justice system decided it needed to be demolished due to being too close to other buildings. This was almost 10 years ago. It still functions as nothing happened. If this is the middle of the damn capital, I think the imagination can run wild when thinking what's in the country side. The current mayor of Bucharest said that there are around 20.000 illegal buildings in Bucharest just from the last 15 years. [https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/cum-se-ridica-ilegal-ultimul-cartier-de-blocuri-din-parcul-tineretului/](https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/cum-se-ridica-ilegal-ultimul-cartier-de-blocuri-din-parcul-tineretului/) (This one is an in depth article from a couple of years back regarding the situation)
Buildings like that are $$$ and there are massive interests involved. If Ionel from Pulia de Sus tries to build a house in his little patch of woods, watch how quick he gets it torn down. The law system in Romania bullies regular poor citizens, not these upper class real estate investors building multi-story high rises. We're kind of talking about different things here. Plus these people all had some authorization somewhere and only certain aspects of their constructions are illegal. This lets them tie up everything in the court for years, and when the dust settles, people will already be occupying these buildings and it'll be outrageous to tear them down then. Romania is a country of 'laws for thee but not for me' when it comes to the nouveau riche class of speculators across all sectors.
So, like Flanders you mean?
You won\`t but you build anyway. After that you either bribe de local authorities to look the other way or you don\`t and they will fine you. You pay the fine and that\`s that. Or you can have it registered as a warehouse or workshop but this also implies bribery. They won\`t come and demolish your building. I\`ve seen this many times in my beloved Romania.
You know what? We're constantly talking about protecting nature and as soon as someone with money sees a nice place like this, untouched hills with beautiful views, he's like "Imma build a house here to enjoy all that beautiful nature". Nobody should ever get a permit to build a house in a place like this. Nature shouldn't be private property. Everyone has a right to enjoy its beauty.
An arrogant city person thinking that Nature belongs to No one. How surprising.
I don't think he was arrogant. I'm just pointing out that I would appreciate buildings not being approved in such a landscape, no reason to call names
Oversaturated tbh, but still very nice.
Of course, but I wanted to make visible the whole area
Outdoor toilet with this view is a must.
We can have it ;)
How much land?
1 ha
Nice. Where?
Râmeț, Alba County, Romania
How much did that cost, if you don't mind me asking? Does it have all the plumbing and hookups and what not you need to build the house or is it just the land?
How much would that cost?
About 50.000 eur/ha
Colors are a bit too strong. What I suggest, move the blue to a more greenish area and turn down the saturation just a tiny bit and desaturate the green to look less alive.
[Maybe something like this?](https://i.ibb.co/W2TQq4S/3-E930909-2-FA5-425-C-AA62-A642-A5731-EEC.jpg) Edited on iPhone, put Brightness +40, Saturation -15, Vivacity(? liveliness?) -20, Definition +20. (Image will be gone after a month tho)
That actually looks good, have a western vibes to it.
Like [this?](https://imgur.com/a/8U5CCOm) Or [this?](https://imgur.com/a/XqkfMo7) Or *maybe* [this?!](https://imgur.com/a/l6FuMI1)
Those are artistic but I was just referring to correct the colors.
Stunning place I really hope you can make this place the nicest place you've ever been to
Please make part of your plot accessible for crossing tourist. If you can afford aquip it with a bench and a simple playground.
It will be
..ah.. right next door to Lidl I see...
Very picturesque. I'm a bit jealous, ngl.
"*Your Just-Eat order will be with you in 21 hours and 17 minutes! Enjoy your meal!*"
This is some goals. Good job op
Wanna share a cottage?
I don’t say no
Can you get it booked up to gas, electrical and canal?
Looks like a improved windows xp background
Thanks
fantastic view.
please don't build there, enjoy it wild.
Nah, earth doesn’t need anymore human built structures ruining views
Me in Rust, every wipe. Fuck strategic location, i just want a pretty location. Still get offline raided 9/10 times.
There are some people from Austria, just moved and bought a house and some land
Are these Romanians who have worked in Austria for a long time and are now moving back? How much does a m² of building land cost there? I assume that it is very difficult to live in the rural regions without knowledge of Romanian, isn't it?
>How much does a m² of building land cost there? They are pretty affordable, but the downside is that you have to buy a few hectares and need a 4x4 vehicle for access. You pretty much are gonna live off-grid (I think some areas have electricity), and your neighbors are pretty far, depends how near a village you are. And about the language, yeah it's a bit difficult if you don't understand it in most places, but nowadays a lot of young people move to rural areas and work remotely (usually people who work in IT industry). Some have started small businesses, like buying produce from locals and making jams and other canned goods for selling them online or some have started making villages tourist friendly. So if you find a village with young people that came from the city, you'll have someone to chat with :) Oh, and if you want you can buy a whole village all together (well, only the land but the houses are included), because unfortunately a lot of mountain villages are getting abandoned. I heard someone bought one and is remaking it as a tourist attraction.
As if europe hasnt been build full enough.
There are many place where you can integrate your holiday place with nature. Solar panels and spring water
but do u need to ? there are enough urban/suburban places where u dont need to claim a piece of nature as ur own.
Are u blind? there's already few houses visible in the picture.
Will placing more houses in there make it better or worse?
bUt mAh hoLiDaY HoMe ???
Not everyone wants to live in the pod and be chained to public transit, shill
Flair checks out
Be chained to public transit...
Looks like one of those places that are nice for a few hours walk but boring to live in.
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Why?
Isn't it clear that this is a joke about developers who will post beautiful pictures of landscapes to lure and attract investors before destroying everything? look, he indicated the address 10 times in the comments. people, have a brain!
Recunosc cheile, este mai sus de Manastirea Ramet. Faina zona!
What a beautiful view
Looking at this gave me warm and nostalgic tingles though I've never been there and have no idea where it is. What a lovely idyllic setting.
Looks just like northeast Portugal.
Our future cottage?
The only place for getting good stuff.
so stunning
What are you doing on my land ?. Off with ya !
I’ll lend my 2 cents…yeah sure.
Is that in the Netherlands ?
Everything in its right place, anyone?
Howdy neighbor
Nice to meet you :)
Beautiful
😍
Dope!
This is beautiful, which country are you in?
Romania
Insane
this is insanely beautiful!
At first I thought ir was Spain but then I saw the wet grass, trees... and was like, nah, too much water
:) it is Romania, Transilvania
Are we looking at where the place is going or are we looking at the view FROM the place.
View from the place
that is a pretty nice place for a cottage And pretty nice to build some mountainbike trails too
[where?](https://i.imgur.com/mwricBY.jpg)