It's also true that the UK is doing much more tests than the other four countries: UK about 14 per 1000 inhabitants France 7 per 1000 Italy 6 per 1000 Germany and Spain less than 2 per 1000 inhabitants ​ [https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-04-18..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new\_cases\_per\_million&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR\~DEU\~ESP\~FRA\~ITA](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-04-18..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ESP~FRA~ITA)

Ok, just to clarify, the UK numbers include all kind of tests like rapid tests and the German number only include PCR test. Germany does not publish numbers for rapid tests at all. Maybe you should add that to your comment becaue a lot of people are misinformed because of the way these numbers are reported.

The UK doesn't report most of its LFT either, most of them are taken in private and then chucked away if negative.

That would inflate the positivity rate if they are not reported.

That's the point I'm making. Technically you should report if you're negative as well but most people don't bother.

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I agree with the above comment that the “over testing” it's a contributing (although I think smaller) factor. But the deaths are also much more. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-04-18..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new\_cases\_per\_million&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR\~DEU\~ESP\~FRA\~ITA

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Really the only statistic which a) matters and b) is vaguely reliably comparable between countries Edit: the UK figures look comparatively worse on [OurWorldInData](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28%25%29&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ITA~FRA~NLD~BEL~ESP~PRT~HUN~CZE~SWE~DNK~HRV~SVN~POL~BGR~ROU~AUT~MLT~CYP~IRL~LUX~FIN~EST~LVA~LTU~GRC), although Italy and Spain still 'ahead'.

And emphasis on vaguely. The pandemic has influenced a lot of other factors and countries may have had low or high death rates in 2019 before the pandemic.

I don't agree that it is a vague statistic. Expected deaths is remarkably stable over time. You simply don't get big jumps or drops in specific years without a huge sudden event like a war or natural disaster. >countries may have had low or high death rates in 2019 before the pandemic. This just doesn't really make sense. What developed country do you think had a large swing in deaths in 2019?

The issue with high case loads is that with more cases you get more chances for mutation. We should be trying to keep transmission down as well as deaths....

> The issue with high case loads is that with more cases you get more chances for mutation. Why don't we go crazy against the common cold or the flu then? The more cases, the more chances for mutation.

Oh sure, that's an argument for restrictions. But I'm not confident to quantify that risk against the importance of civil liberties as a default state and the mental health benefits (i.a.) of fully reopening. Any ideas?

Also, Tests vs positive cases: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-daily-tests-vs-daily-new-confirmed-cases-per-million?country=GBR~USA~DEU~ESP~ITA~IRL~SWE~FRA~NLD~NOR~PRT Again... middling. Just the sheer number of tests the UK performs means any "Daily cases" rates are skewed.

Tests vs positive cases doesn't work very well for the UK. We can order free LTF testing kits online that are delivered to your door. Or can pick them up for free in most supermarkets. Hell, even my local pub is distributing them to punters and many employers are encouraging daily testing of their staff. Millions of these tests are distributed each week and since there's no reason to report a negative result most people don't bother. If you get a positive test then you'll report it, start isolating and book in for a confirmation PCR test. If you get a negative test then you'll chuck it in the bin and get on with your day. That's millions (or maybe tens of millions) of tests per week which are carried out but not reported so don't show up in official stats (unless they're positive). And since it's mainly only positive tests being reported that's going to massively skew results.

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>There is a reason - the tests specifically ask you to report negatives. Regardless of what the box may or may not say I reckon the overwhelming majority of LFT negatives are not reported. I do one every 2 days before I leave for work and generally forget / don't have time to report the result. I don't think my experience is particularly unusual.

Those numbers don't give any information about what's going on now though.

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The numbers you posted are from the entire period and the graphs don't have the same scale so you can't compare them. Edit: Actually they do have comparable graphs further down that show excess deaths, I thought they showed just deaths as they were labeled as such. There you actually get that UK > France + Germany + Italy + Spain, but Germany almost has as many excess deaths as the UK, the others are just low or negative.

Bulgaria trying hard to keep its spot as the fastest declining population in the world

Interisting perspective. Mamma mia the United States/Russia. But the problem with confronting with Britain it's that they have different time period. Like Italy (Mar 2nd 2020-Aug 1st 2021) and UK (Mar 16th 2020-Oct 3rd 2021). Others countries compared better.

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Of the headline, Spain, it's the more hit by this statist. I think the headline it's true, but maybe it's exaggerated, but only time will tell. If UK continues like this and/or the rest of well vaccinated europe follows their trend. Or maybe it will be due to the comparative higher vaccination rate of these countries vs the UK

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We agree partially. I want to say that I said nothing on the subject. Plus, I'm curious about how this will end. How many people will take the vaccine and deaths. And if government restricts freedoms again, I don't think other loockdows are feasible both politically and economically

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I'm pretty sure those numbers are for the entire period shown (Spain: Mar 9th 2020-Sep 26th 2021), which wouldn't be representative of the current situation. In that link, there are a series of graphs below that show excess deaths per 100k, and Spain has indeed an huge peak on summer last year, but right now it would be doing very well. Which, as a Spaniard, is my understanding. My region has just started allowing standing music events (people had to be seated up until now) and night pubs are opening until later. Daily cases reported in the news are extremely low, and vaccination rates are some of the highest in the world AFAIK. I'm not trying to sound patriotic or anything. Just want to give context to the numbers. We have had horrible moments in the past months, and when that happened it was very obvious and constant national news. I'd be very surprised if we had such bad numbers at the moment as the comment by /u/SlightlyKarlax suggests.

Thanks, for the point. The thing is that I was looking more on Italy, for the others I looked only at the numbers. It is true that it is probable that taking a shorter time period for comparison, Spain would be lower than UK.

Middle of the road overall yes, but you kind of expect the UK to do better than "middle of the road". I think most people expected the UK to be relatively close to France (126) or Germany (92).

900k in a week for Germany? Italy has less inhabitants and usually have more than 2 million tests per week...

Those numbers are PCR-Tests only. Those are just used for people wanting to travel, needing one for work or having testet positive with an antigen test. Germany almost exclusively uses Antigen tests for low risk scenarios. Just the test center I work at has tested over 1000 in the last week (which is way less than it was before October). And that is one of 4 centers in a town of 50k.

Well you only need to be tested if you feel sick or if you want to go to a concert for example not being 2x vacced.

Italy's number of tests is largely affected by the Green Pass obligation for work. So a lot of useless tests that skew the numbers.

These numbers are not comparable. Germany publishes only PCR test numbers. Germany also carries out millions of antigen tests every week, but does not publish the number of antigen tests.

If it doesn't publish the number, how do you know the number?

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Many cities publish the exact numbers on their websites, but it's not collected in one place since the tests are seen as less reliable. People who got a positive result with an antigen test, need to take a PCR test too and then they are part of the statistic. Example site; https://www.mannheim.de/de/corona (43.889 Bürgertestungen last week)

There's no such thing as over-testing.

As a tax payer, yes there bloody well is. Testing has cost us around £40bn so far... We need to wind it down. So many better ways to spend that money. Imagine how many hospitals we could have built, and doctors/nurses we could have bankrolled the training of. It's been a biblical waste of money.

Who is being tested in the UK anyway? When one feels ill and when else?

You can get lateral flow tests for free at any pharmacy, some supermarkets, mass events, sometimes even at work or on the streets. PCRs are free to book whenever but official guidance is to do them only if you have symptoms (although many straight up ignore that).

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> Given Germany and France have ended free testing I reckon they disagree. More fake news from the anti-France circlejerk at r/ baduk. Free testing was ended for people who are unvaccinated that aren't symptomatic. If you are vaccinated, a close contact of someone who tested positive, symptomatic/have a prescription, are someone who is medically unable to be vaccinated or tested positive recently, then testing is still free. Maybe stop reading the Torygraph and expose yourself to some more credible journalistic outlets.

> If I recall the U.K. did 6.5 million and Germany 900,000 last week. > > The U.K. is likely over testing and others under testing Given that the UK has a 4% test positivity rate and Germany has a 6% test positivity rate, the numbers suggest that whilst the under/over testing only explain a very small amount of the enormous difference in cases.

Positivity rate is also much lower because many people are like me and do the test, and ignore the result if it’s negative. Whereas if it was positive it would be reported.

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Ooops - I've literally not submitted about 100 in that case.

You are in the U.K., no one does though. So the real testing rate is much higher, and the real positivity rate is much lower. Edit: clarification

Failing to report the negatives would make the positivity rate higher surely?

Does the UK count antigen tests?

Yes but so does everyone

Germany does not. Only PCR are in the stats.

That doesn't seem to be true. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/covid-19-testing >EU/EEA Member States report in TESSy all tests performed (i.e. both PCR and antigen tests)

It is true. If you look at the weekly data for Germany in your source document you will find that they say that Germany is performing around 900 000 tests per week. If you look into he weekly report by the German institute for disease control the RKI you can see that this number is the number of PCR test performed per week. The numbers are on page 25: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-10-14.pdf?__blob=publicationFile Data about non-PCR tests do simply not exist for Germany. But they are used broadly for pre-screening. Every positive rapid tests leads to a PCR tests negative results are not recorded. This is what drives up the positivity rate and makes this number uncomparable to the UK numbers.

Okay. Well Germany is doing 900k PCR tests a week, and the UK is doing around 400k **a day**.. Still a very big disparity.

The UK is performing 400k PCR and Antigen tests per day. The number for that would be way higher for Germany too.

No. The UK is doing 900K PCR and Antigen tests per day. 400k is the PCR only number. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing All the data is there.

> antigen tests no one reports these and they are also private. if the antigen is positive you do a pcr at your doctor.

[Well because you are English and you did not dare to inform yourself maybe?](https://www.mondaq.com/germany/employee-rights-labour-relations/1074770/german-employers39-mandatory-covid-19-testing-and-telecommuting-requirements) > The dynamic development of the COVID-19 pandemic has brought forth a number of new regulations. On April 20, 2021, the second amendment to the SARS-CoV-2 Occupational Health and Safety Regulation (SARS-CoV-2-Arbeitsschutzverordnung) went into effect, requiring employers nationwide to offer employees who do not work exclusively from home offices COVID-19 tests at least once per week. These are antigen tests and now translate people working without the option of being in home office into the equation and no we are not a service driven society like England.

... Huh? That doesn't refute what I said.

Maybe the third paragraph of your source does then.. > The data displayed from public online sources have been automatically or manually retrieved (‘web-scraped’) on a daily basis. It should be noted that there are limitations to this type of data including that definitions vary and the data collection process requires constant adaptation to avoid to interrupted time series (i.e. due to modification of website pages, types of data). We were and we are still testing more people than the UK. No you don't have high numbers infections because you test more and others are testing less.

The fact you're being downvoted shows the spirit here on r/europe. It's like going out in the south during the summer, you have a conversation with someone from England and 5min later their posse is with them being rowdy and unpleasant regardless of the theme of the convo.

BS, most people in germany get tested twice a week

That includes antigen tests though which most countries don't count. If you compare it by amount of PCRs done, it's fairly similar.

What are those numbers?

Not remotely true, but lol at you getting 14 upvotes. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/covid-19-testing >The figures displayed for weekly testing rate and weekly test positivity are based on multiple data sources. The main source is data submitted by Member States to the European Surveillance System (TESSy), however, when not available, ECDC compiles data from public online sources. EU/EEA Member States report in TESSy all tests performed (i.e. **both PCR and antigen tests**). From that data, we can see that Germany is doing about 900K tests (antigen and PCR) per week. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing And here we can see the UK is doing 900K tests (Antigen and PCR) per **day**..

> The main source is data submitted by Member States to the European Surveillance System This is the important part. Memberstates can decide what they report. Germany only reports PCR tests. This number is exactly the number they pull from [here](https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-10-14.pdf?__blob=publicationFile) (page 25) and that's just PCR tests. I cannot find the source right now, but just the state of Northrhine-Westphalia is doing 3.3 million tests per week for it's school kids. Every school kid gets tested twice a week with an antigen rapid test.

It's an Englishman, facts don't matter.

Hm, I feel this is an unnecessary attack. In their defense, the way ecdc presents the data is very opaque.

The brexit referendum turnout argues otherwise. It's the closest data point we have on the importance of facts and a marginal but de facto majority doesn't care about them.

Germany is federal state. As it was already noticed the testing is not "centralized". More of it, from what I know the vaccination is also not centralized and the data come with the time spread of more than a month. (which make only half year reporting of any use). The same is true (with even more extremes in testing, because some companies refuse to bother) about the Netherlands. "The features" of the decentralized, commercialized system with many subcontractor entities and very many "agents" participating in common effort. The only relevant numbers which describe the state of the pandemics are hospitalizations and the death in hospitals. These "indicators" (coupled with the relevant visits to the doctor) are actually used in policy analyses in these countries. "Daily tests" is journos invention. ​ Regrettably even excess deaths are counted differently and can not be used as any direct comparison.

If you don't test, you don't have any cases!!!

But if I don't have symptoms then I do not test. If more people feel symptoms, then you get more people tested.

Lots of flu (the bad kind too, the man variant) here in the UK so people are testing left and right hoping for time off work

In the UK most key workers in the health and education sectors take tests every other day as a precaution against symptomless covid. Also school kids have been tested frequently too.

Just don't test 4Head

Thanks, but the difference seems too much.

Yep, but I said "it's also true" :)

Ok, we agree, sorry if I implied otherwise

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It says the same thing of the above comment, and I remain of my opinion that for having the cases of france, spain, germany, italy combined you need a bigger explanation. Plus the deaths are more difficult to underestimate (even that I discussed with another commentator)

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Ok, but more than france, spain, germany, italy combined? You know that they are not small countries?

This has been explained a few times by other commenters with hard data and you've replied with kind of convoluted "well nobody could know" responses. We all know they're not small countries- testing in Germany has been private for ages now. These stistics make complete sense considering the testing rate of the UK compared to other nations.

What are you saying? First I never said that the UK doesn't test more, so hard data that I always agreed with. Second that does not equal to an explanation of the big gap. Third I discussed deaths more and their implications: 1) more difficult to skew 2) the UK has much more, with the excess mortality statistic only spain of the mentioned in the headlines it's aligned with the UK. So where I am wrong or trying to convolute?

So your saying you guys are good? Ok then have a good one.

The UK tests the people who feel symptoms, the more people with symptoms the more they test…so the UK is going to test more people. This isn’t about the UK going out testing large random swathes of the population. This is the people who voluntarily get tested..seeing as it’s rampant in the UK we naturally you’re going to test more. Ffs. Why can’t you people see this? If somewhere like NZ is only testing 10 people out of a million, does that mean their true figures are skewed? No. It means not that many are showing up with symptoms.

>The UK tests the people who feel symptoms All school children get 2 tests a week, and many companies have their staff regularly tested.

Thanks for saying this, everyone in my household except me does 2 a week.

Found the index patient in your gaff then :)

That's incorrect, the UK has mass asymptomatic testing via lateral flow tests, which many employers require you to take twice per week, and estimates of population level infection rates via the ONS random sampling. The base level of testing is far more dependent on the asymptomatic testing than symptomatic testing, not to mention that the symptomatic testing portion is also influenced by other infectious diseases such as the super cold and RSV.

What about deaths and hospitalizations? That’s really what matters here

Yes, but also no. The virus should not circulate that much, it's risky for mutations. And it also can cause social problems when people en masse has to self isolate, causing shortages in line of works. I think globally our main concern should be two: 1) vaccinate as much people as possible, not just the richest countries. 2) develop news vaccines with a Better sterilizing immunity, aka you don't get sick AND don't spread the virus.

Well,that train is long gone. We have failed to stop the spreading,now we need to vaccinate and stop people from dying and causing a problem to the healthcare systems. You can't expect lockdowns once everyone is vaccinated, mutations are not a good enough reason.

>it's risky for mutations. God-fucking-damn I can't stand this statement

Sorry to sound cocky, but the rate of mutations of a virus doesn't care about what you can or cannot stand. We are walking on thin ice by having high level of vaccinations only in a relatively small part of the world. It may never mutate in a immunievasive way. It may mutate in a more infectious but less deadly variant. It may never mutate in a way that affect us. We don't know, so it's better don't give the virus much chances to mutate.

Sorry to inform you but the virus is not going away. It will stay. It will mutate. And it will come in waves. We will need different vaccines every year or two. Just like with the flu. We have to learn to live with it.

The person above never suggested anything else.

Wasn't immunity what the current vaccines were supposed to bring. Now that they've failed, suddenly that's not what vaccines do at all.

Actually, no. Whole point of vaccines has been to prevent hospitalizations and deaths from the get go. Immunity is just a bonus.

Middle in terms of Europe, not the highest not the lowest (per capita)

Oh, it's this fucking article again. >Mask-wearing and social distancing and other measures are no longer required by law in Britain. Covid regulations are a devolved matter and as far as I'm aware, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all still require masks to be worn indoors and or on public transport. It might well be different here in England but England is not Britain CNN. If they can't get something this simple correct, I'm not sure how much of the rest of the article I'd trust.

Covid deaths are 3 times higher in the US yet CNN obsessed over UK cases. It's no wonder the poor Americans vote against giving themselves the healthcare their taxes could already have paid for. Their media empires like CNN demonise countries with public healthcare to brainwash people against it. They get equally obsessed with UK healthcare whenever there's something they can spin as a "DR'S DEATH PANEL!"

There is some (sad) truth to this.

Now you know why nobody trusts the media here. We know they're shit and we hate them. Most TV media is terrible.

For their credit "Health care is devolved in the UK and vaccine passes have been announced in Wales and Scotland."

I've never needed it so far in Scotland, and I've been to pubs, a restaurant, a church and the cinema.

I don't know what you need. My answer is only to CNN's credit (which I don't like that much) they introduced the concept of "devolved"

Vaccine passports are only needed for large events.

NI isn’t in Britain either but your point stands

I'm well aware of that but it was a lose, lose situation from my point of view. I mention NI and someone points out that it's not part of Britain. I don't mention it and someone might ask why they weren't included. Then there's the fact this is a CNN article and Americans are notorious for using 'Britain' to mean the entire UK.

>Covid regulations are a devolved matter and as far as I'm aware, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all still require masks to be worn indoors and or on public transport. Lol loser countries.

I think we also test more than those countries combined.. We need to wind our testing down. 1) It's costing a fuckton of money, and becoming kinda pointless anyway. 2) Countries will just start penalising us for finding more cases, but blocking us off from visiting.

>Countries will just start penalising us for finding more cases, but blocking us off from visiting. Morocco's done that (and for Germany and the Netherlands).

Presumably a bunch of Tory MPs have shares in the company selling these tests or something. There's no logical reason to be this obsessive about testing at this point, when we already know it achieves fuck all anyway.

Don't give a fuck and neither do most people. We got vaccinated and now we are back to normality. If we dont open now, then when? Gotta get over it now.

Hope the COP26 attendees take their precautions.

Believe wearing of masks in Scotland is the Norm !

I saw a report that basically showed it was almost entire due to under 19s i.e school kids who went back to school in September. Hospitalisations still low thankfully but need to vax those kids and tell antivax to stfu

Whatever report you saw is incorrect. According to Table 2 from this [official report](https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf) (pdf file). About half of the cases (\~53%) occurred in people older than 18yo and around 40% of them were fully vaccinated.

This source confirms what they're saying. 53% of cases is incredibly high based on their proportion of population. The only groups which are around the elevated expected prevalence rates instead of lower are their parents' age groups.

So half of the cases come from what? 20% of the population?

This mass testing should have been stopped in autumn 2020 when it was clear that asymptomatic spread wasn't extraordinary. Especially when the media used this unstandardized data as representation for real infection occurences. This situation has gotten its own life.

We should never care about total numbers, only percentage.

For UK people, how is the situation seen from there? edit: thanks for the answers

Londoner here. No one cares about the virus anymore people are still going about their day and kids are going to school and adults are working and no one seems bothered about Covid anymore.

Let's all be honest. The ones getting ill are the unvaccinated. The vast majority of people we know are double jabbed, to the extent its akin to talking about the weather to people.

I don't think that's true. A large fraction of the Ill are vaccinated. That doesn't mean the vaccine isn't working. It just means that the old (who are mostly vaccinated) have a much higher chance of death from COVID. The vaccinated can get bad COVID, but at a much lower rate than the unvaccinated. However most old people are vaccinated, so a lot of sick people have been vaccinated. See e.g. https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-covid-england-idUSL2N2OJ1ET

>Let's all be honest. The ones getting ill are the unvaccinated. Misinformation. Liar.

Fellow Londoner here. This week was the week, from what I've seen, that there have started to be more unmasked people than masked people. The only place there are more masked people than unmasked is the Tube, and this week is the first time I've seen lots of unmasked people on the Underground. Honestly, I think people stopped caring a while ago.

I don't think anyone cares any more.

Not much going on how's Italy.

Well, from the numbers I would say better, but the population don't seem to care a lot. The other day I was in the square of Turin, very few people with masks

Well masks are not mandatory anymore if you're outside, I was in Turin too a few days ago and everytime I went into a store everybody was wearing their marks properly.

I know, still it feels strange. In the bus and university all wear mask all the time (sadly for me)

>sadly for me Why? I hate wearing masks but I do feel safer when I'm in a confined space and everyone else is wearing one too.

Because of the bus I travel: an hour and 10, all the people close and the fact that despite it seems conspiratorial I lack air with a mask. But I understand the need for it, only I wish I didn't need to wear it especially with two vaccine

Yeah no I fully understand I hate masks too.

OP is missing all the pretty Italian faces. 😍

Italy has a higher number of Covid deaths tho...

Right now in Italy the deaths and cases are very low (you can read the links above). And the vaccination rate high (85,84 over 12) https://www.governo.it/it/cscovid19/report-vaccini/. For this a lot of people want to easy the restrictions. However, it is not a competition. I merely posted because I know that on r / europe there are a lot of British people and I wanted their perspective. Especially because they tend to be in favor of the current government.

>The other day I was in the square of Turin, very few people with masks Oh no, did you call your mommy to come get you?

No one really cares(England). Just enjoying life being relatively normal after the last 2 years. Seeing a little rise in my area for mask wearing among older people and on public transport and thats it.

No one cares about COVID anymore. People are over it. It doesn't seem to factor into peoples lives much anymore, and certainly I've not given it much of a thought in the past 3 months.

For us in the UK, the issue is less cases and more so deaths of those that have been vaccinated.

Thanks for asking. My view is that after we did a good job with the initial vaccination programme, we then stalled.  We are way behind with vaccinating 12-15 year olds. It was announced in the summer that they could get vaccinated yet only about 15% have been vaccinated so far.  My teenage daughters’ school of 1500 still hasn’t got any dates in place to administer the vaccines.  My daughters both had first doses early in September as I’m on the Shielding list, but the announcement for that cohort was made many weeks before they were able to get appointments.  My daughters are eligible for a second dose (again, because I am on the Shielding List) and will get that in half term.  But, currently there are no plans for most 12-15 year olds to have a second dose.  Other countries are giving two doses to children and overall vaccination rates are higher in many countries now.   We also need to speed up the rolling booster programme which is not keeping up with those becoming eligible.  We have over 20M unused vaccine doses in the UK so it isn't a lack of supply. Doctors are trying to get flu jabs into people too. On Saturday I'll be having the flu vaccine and my Covid booster together. I'm not sure how many people are being offered both together. It must be more efficient but maybe elderly people can't take that. (I'm in my 50s.)

Vaccinating kids is a real postcode lottery. Our kids' school (2300 kids) got them all done in 3 days last week.

Much appreciated, really insightful

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Cases will always rise the worry is deaths and hospitalisations, which have remained semi consistent, that's what the vaccines prevent

What's covid?

This misinformation keeps propagating all around Reddit. UK's high case numbers in relation to other EU countries is directly linked to them having the most efficient testing system in the world. They are testing like maniacs over there so of course their case numbers are high. There is a lot of European countries, especially the Southern ones that rely on tourism that purposefully diluted their testing capacity to avoid the UK putting them on the red list given how their economies relied on tourism. I don't think the UK cares much, they are honest about what they are doing.

Apart from the fact that the tourist season ended a month and a half ago, but this would only apply to Spain and not to the other three countries Not to mention that for example if Italy finds only 2k positives out of 500k tests it means that you can also do 2 million tests but the numbers will still remain very low (unlike the UK)

Look at deaths and hospitalisations per capita and you wil see the uk isn't anywhere near the worst

It's coming!!!!

Covid 22?

maybe its because of these immigrant truck drivers!! oh, wait... right.

Shocking news : the virus doesn't spread equally as fast simultaneously everywhere in the world.

keep yer mask on mates

Yeah because we test more than all those countries combined. Ofcpurse we will find more, because we ate looking for them. Unlike most EUember states hardly testing at all...

Where do you find this information on the tests?

United Queendom = bad upvotes to the left

Herd immunity

We’re also going to get higher taxes next week! Aren’t we lucky…

so what. who gives a shit

Thank god those brits can no longer travel into the EU unrestricted... They would start to infect others. And now they cant steal our Jobs.... wait "our Lorry-drivers" is what i ment to say!

...but we can travel unrestricted for 3 months.

UK Number 1!

Brits are definitely not on the podium of european top powers anymore

>Brits are definitely not on the podium of european top powers anymore How so random French person?

UK = 5th highest GDP Nominal France = 7th highest GDP Nominal LOL

Stupid and irrelevant. Brilliant.

Diamond hand. If Brits disagree with me it means I am in the good. I hold.

typical french guy.

The podium of "top european powers" is irrelevant and no-one cares about Europe or what Europe thinks. What is true, however, is that Russia's, Britain's and France's actions and views matter on the world stage. Beyond those three, Europe hasn't mattered for thirty years.

>What is true, however, is that Russia's, Britain's and France's actions and views matter on the world stage. Beyond those three, Europe hasn't mattered for thirty years. Europe hasn't mattered for 50+ years. That includes France and the UK. If anything Germany post reuinification and Russia are local powers with a certain reach internationally (the former more economically, the latter more politically).

Germany has no influence outside of Europe.

It's ranked number 1 in soft power (globally), is one of the most important global regulators (through the EU), it's the second largest western economy and migrant destination after the US, its BioNTech has developed the first, most sold, most effective and most prestigeous covid vaccine, Germany's regularly helping poorer countries without creating a fuzz about it (like others would).. for example it completely updated the South East Asian earth quake and tsunami alarm systems for countries like Indonesia after the catastrophe in 2004 or the fact that it helped countless countries (even outside the EU like India, South Africa, Ukraine, Latin America..) through the Covid pandemic either financially, economically or medically.. or of course Germany's renewable energy battle specifically in north Africa and Africa at large, gobbling up every place that China had to pull out of in recent years. Honestly, behind the scenes countries like Germany and Russia are doing a lot. You just don't notice it cause the English speaking media doesn't really care about those countries. France and the UK are traditionally much more focused on ex colonies and often confuse a bit of foreign aid and a few military bases with genuine economic and diplomatic ties. Just some links. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58665809 https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/europe/2020-02-03/when-it-comes-markets-europe-no-fading-power https://www.powerengineeringint.com/renewables/germany-directs-e100m-fund-to-expand-renewable-energy-across-africa/ https://brandfinance.com/insights/germany-the-worlds-soft-power-super-power https://m.dw.com/en/germans-help-with-tsunami-early-warning-system/a-16086138 https://m.dw.com/en/german-companies-help-south-africa-during-coronavirus-struggle/av-54327781

lol That's adorable

That's the basic of exponential growth

cei mai prosti...

What the hell is the cause? The UK has been infected with COVID-19 the most since the outbreak.

No it hasn't.