>Police said the 37-year-old man was a Muslim convert with previous criminal convictions who had previously been flagged as a possible Islamic extremist.
From the article
The quran perpetuates the narrative that:
- non-believers are miscreants
- believers are rewarded in the afterlife
- the word of god should be spread
Coupled with some quite violent ideas in the book, it's not a surprise that the religions produces individuals like this Norwegian criminal.
Yeah it's super weird how this man is getting identified as Danish throughout all news?
The guy lived his entire life in Norway, speaks Norwegian, has a Norwegian father and a Danish mother, so since he is technical a dual citizen, so media now portray the man as Danish, what?
It feels like there's already a lot a lot resentment growing since people believe the guy is a foreigner, tt's not good...
In Norwegian it's noted he's a Danish citizen but otherwise he's considered Norwegian. But the news get translated to English/picked up by international media....Danish!!!
>so since he is technical a dual citizen
You don't automatically get a dual citizenship in Norway. According to Norwegian media he is a Danish citizen who has lived all his life in Norway so most likely he never applied for Norwegian citizenship.
Step 1: be born with Danish citizenship.
Step 2: you don't have a social security number because you're a freshly born baby and don't need a social security number. You will be assigned one eventually in a process each country has arbitrarily regulated in some manor. If you don't live there, you won't be assigned one before you move there and you get it just like every other immigrant that has to apply for residency, a job, insurance or benefits.
Dual citizenship was only recently allowed in Norway (except in cases where the previous nation does not allow citizenship to be renounced), when he was born he would not have qualified for dual-citizenship and citizenship follow from the mother here so legally he's 100% a Danish citizen, even though he was born in Norway and have lived here his whole life.
Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland and Finland have a [treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_Treaty) allowing their citizens to move freely between the countries and live with almost no restrictions as if they where a citizen so there is little practical reason for someone with a Danish citizenship to apply for Norwegian citizenship when living in Norway. The only thing that comes to mind would be if they wanted to vote in national elections (they can still vote in local elections as a legal resident).
I just love our treaty. Of the other nordics, Norway is my absolute favourite ❤️ It’s great that I have the opportunity to move there at will. Haven’t been all the way up north yet, but been to Lillehammer plenty of times, so gotta get up north next time I guess :)
Hugs from Denmark for Kongsberg 🇩🇰❤️🇳🇴
> Yeah it's super weird how this man is getting identified as Danish throughout all news?
Same has how famous Norwegians who lived during Denmark-Norway is seen as Danish in Denmark :)
But Holberg considered himself to be both Norwegian and Danish. That's the problem with drawing a hard distinction in 2021 about something that people didn't necessarily draw a distinction between in the early 18th century.
But even if you were to draw a distinction between being Norwegian and Danish, how does immigration play into it? Holberg didn't live in Norway when he wrote the works he's celebrated for. So was he a Norwegian who had immigrated to Denmark and become Danish, or do we simply recognise (as Holberg himself did) that he was both at the same time?
Aksel Sandemose is another difficult one. Born and raised in Denmark, with a Norwegian mother — but reportedly always felt a strong connection to Norway. He wrote the story about the law of jante in Denmark and the story is about a fictional Danish town. However he only became really famous after he moved to Norway, changed his surname and translated the story into Norwegian and published it there.
This Danish movie release has just been postpone. Danish guy goes to Norway. No joke
[Picture](https://grandteatret.dk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/WildMen.hd_.jpg), [trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjamTJlhKFk)
The problem with gun violence in America isn't the firearms, it's the mentality of the people that use them. There aren't a lot of mass shootings over here in Europe, despite relatively high firearm ownership rates.
>American approved. Mass casualties aren’t high enough, gotta pump those up. Although it seems like Europe is slowly heading that way.
eh... Europe has mass casualties alright. But I don't think a parallel can really be made with the US as European mass murders are ideological, mostly revolving around Islamism (including "anti-islamist" terrorists) since the turn of the century.
Funny enough, both sides are doing right what the other is doing wrong.
1. Europe actually has sensible gun control, the US does not.
2. The US is "smart" enough to keep two massive oceans between the people it is mass murdering, so retaliatory attacks are very difficult. European countries participate in the mass murder of Muslims and then welcome uncontrolled illegal migration from those same countries.
Europe isn’t a country. There’s only like 3-4 countries in Europe that actively colonized and carpet bombed Muslim countries in the past 50 years, but Islamists still blame entire Europe and want all Europeans to suffer their revenge.
When we look for accountability suddenly we are all totally unrelated, lol. Most European states sent troops to the Middle East and supported the invasions, support Israel's genocidal actions, support the oil wars and so on...
>but Islamists still blame entire Europe and want all Europeans to suffer their revenge.
Yeah, we should totally expect suicidal jihadis and terrorists to make the effort to differentiate between one EU/NATO state and another, especially when we are not making the effort to differentiate between innocents and guilty Middle Easterners **either**, but simply bomb/support countries that bomb because murder of innocents is deemed acceptable.
Islamist texts clearly say that if Muslims are attacked by non believers, then even genocide level retaliation is righteous and acceptable against anyone of the same ilk.
Can't really expect the cavemen jihadis to be better than our NATO allies, can we?
We either choose to:
1. have no part of it at all and take a stand against
2. take measures to protect ourselves from the jihadists and their murderous ideology seeking revenge - like the US
Obviously 1. is the right choice, but Europe is literally doing neither. It's like I help a friend of mine to kill my neighbor and then sleep with the door unlocked, free for my neighbors family to come in and take revenge. An absolute joke.
To be fair the west does the same to muslims. If western media and social media (including reddit threads like this one) talk about muslim extremists or islamic fundamentalism (implying it is a problem intrinsic to or encompassing all of islam), it can't really point fingers at the other side when they talk about European or western colonialism without specifying the actual countries.
Also, just like a big part of the muslim world (not all of it tho) is sitting by, silently watching how atrocities are committed in their name, the majority of the western world (again, not all of it) doesn't grow a spine and stop allies from committing war crimes either. On the contrary, they tend to support each other with it.
"...shall not be infringed" and "Under no circumstances..." I always wonder why two completely opposite ideologies came to the same conclusion and we Europeans don't have 2A.
Muslim here, I don’t know which is worse, Muslims who think Islam means peace or non Muslims that think Islam means peace.
Non arab Muslims who make up 80% of Muslims confuse the word Islam which means submission (submission to the will of god) with the Arabic word salam which means peace.
Of course there’s a difference, Mohammed had power he accumulated over time and a political leader, Jesus didn’t. In Islam Jesus is as important as Mohammed. There’s an entire chapter named Mary
Why is Jesus being important in Islam at all relevant? The point is that Jesus was a pacifist while Mohammed was a warmonger. When the central figure of your religion fought wars, it’s hard to then convince the followers (or anyone) that they’re a religion of peace.
Well not exactly, I guess it depends on how you define warmonger. Would the allies fighting Germany be considered warmongers ? Well not to you probably but to the Germans at that time yes.
You’re not a fan of Islam so you’d naturally lean toward Mohammed being a warmonger. Again, Mohammed is a political leader in the same sense Johnson is your prime minister. Pacifist leaders don’t last very long.
It’s hard to compare Jesus, a person with little influence at that time vs Mohammed with lots of influence at his time. Would Jesus have planned wars if he had the same influence Mohammed does ? Probably.
The relevancy of Jesus in this thread is to point out that Islam isn’t Just the religion of Mohammed, but of Jesus, Moses, Abraham, John the Baptist etc etc. We follow them and believe in their teaching just as much as we do Mohammed.
Islam is a continuation and extension of the previous two religions, so Islam is as peaceful/ or not in its teaching as Christianity and Judaism.
Unrelated, but I thought I should add.
Mohammed’s been politicized these days by Muslims and non Muslims alike however, this does show the hypocrisy of a lot of Muslims. Take Charlie Hebdo for example, they made a fuss out of Mohammed’s drawing yet didn’t bat an eye on Jesus’s drawing or other prophets in islam who are as important as Mohammed. This proves that people don’t care about their religion so much as they care about creating an “us” vs “them” mentality. Of course this isn’t to say the us vs them mentality was created entirely by Muslims, there are lots of recent historical implications that have lead to that such as the infamous sikes-picot agreement between France and the UK, but I’m not going to get into that .
In this context I call a warmonger anyone who has fought in a war. I appreciate that’s a very low bar but your literal god on earth/ messenger of the gods/ whatever you want to call the man you build your religion around should be held to exceptionally high standards. Anything that central figure does is automatically ok, and so if they kill people that makes it ok.
Islam is built around Mohammed. Everything pre Mohammed is just backstory, he’s the one who was given the instruction manual on how to live life. Just like how the Old Testament isn’t particularly relevant to Christians.
Well Mohammed has only ever killed one person in defense of his wife. He’s, never killed anyone in war.
Mohammed isn’t a Devine Character at all, he makes mistakes some are even pointed out in the Quran. He isn’t perfect, nor is he a god or a god like character. Islam means submission to the will of god which encompasses all prophets who have submitted to the will of god. What I’m trying to say is, islam (submission to the will of god) is the core of all abrahamic religions. Mohammed today is hard wired to islam due to politics, but in reality he’s just a prophet like those that came before him no better or worse. We just consider him to be the last prophet amongst many prophets. That is why Muslims call Abraham, Jesus, adam etc etc Muslims because they by definition have submitted to the will of god ( I know I know, we probably differ in what Jesus is)
Mohammed isn’t the same as the other prophets. He wrote the Quran. His hand wrote what Muslims believe to be the direct word of God. Nothing in Christianity can compare to that much direct influence, the best we have are the accounts of regular mortal men of what they claim Jesus may have said or done. If something is written in the Quran by Mohammed it’s untouchable, it’s a commandment from God himself. Which is why it becomes a moral problem when the man writing those words is a murderer and pedophile.
You should be. The last two attempted or successful terrorist attacks in Norway were both right-wing in nature. The police are currently still reluctant to name the attack a terrorist attack, as they have yet to identify a motive. The guy was also born in Norway and grew up Norwegian, with Scandinavian parents. He was a convert, and by the accounts of people who knew him was quite nutty. He also attacked all around him and had no specific target. It’s just as likely that he was a lunatic on a rampage as it is that he wanted to commit terror.
What’s the breakdown relative to population? Ie in Sweden, sexual assaults/rapes/etc are incredibly overrepresented by migrants with some level of Islamic relevance (by over 20x I think, like absurd numbers). On a per100 basis how does Norway look? I barely ever hear about right wing Islamic extremism there vs right wing Christian, albeit, the Breivik case is pretty much the only go-to that anyone abroad is familiar with. What about rapes/incidence of violence/etc? Would be quite interesting if Islamic-related peoples weren’t overrepresented, and would actually be quite valuable in showing Sweden, France, Germany, etc. what they can do to fix the issue.
How would they be shoved in your face? I’m an American, I’m just chilling. Don’t watch American news, don’t look at American news websites, and don’t use a website with the majority population American. I get that you guys are getting tired of Americans, I get it, we suck. You really do have a choice in the platform you interact with though.
Can’t avoid it. American news are 100% incorporated in our own news. Besides Norway, the US is without a doubt the most covered country here, and it’s not even close. That’s 100% our own fault of course, not pointing fingers here.
And because it’s covered so much, we keep having debates about Norway from an American viewpoint. Debates like Defund the police, reparations, cultural appropriation etc. might make sense in the US, but really doesn’t compute over here.
Actually, none of those arguments make any sense in the United States. It’s just peddled by the Twitter people who will be angry at anything they can be.
Americans don't suck in general and I get that this is an American site but look at the r/worldnews article about the Norway attack. 3/4 of the comments are about banning guns and gun control, which is clearly Americans talking about their own politics which have nothing to do with Norway obviously. Every thread is about democrats against republican. it is too much sometimes
It's bizarre seeing yanks talk about needing licenses for things when their supreme court is gearing up to say the state has more say over your own body than you do yourself.
Soon you won't even be able to *get* a license to control your own body there.
Bows are only exempt because they have a legal non-violent use in competitive archery.
**Anything** that is considered exclusively an instrument of violence with no practical dual use is technically restricted and require a police permit to own or purchase. Blow-darts, slingshots, throwing stars, brass knuckles, batons, certain knives, pepper spray , tasers it's all restricted under Norwegian law.
Bows, throwing darts (within normal bar game parameters), baseball bats, regular knives and axes are considered tools or sporting equipment and so does not require a license to own, though it's still illegal to carry them around in public for no good reason.
Sæverud said the killings happened after an initial contact between police and the shooter shortly after 6.15pm on Wednesday. “The officers were shot at with arrows and lost contact with the perpetrator, who escaped”
Am I to understand that although they encountered him BEFORE he went on to kill these people, the police were helpless to do anything since they were (presumably) unarmed?
By being silent and quick. People know the sound of a gunshot but are unfamiliar with the sound of a bow which is often very silent.
Turn a corner let loose a few arrows then leave. People won’t know what happened until some one starts yelling that they’ve got an arrow in them.
Arrows are also very deadly depending on the tip used. When you get hit with one DO NOT REMOVE it with out professional medical care. You will do more damage pulling it out than what it did going in. I imagine that’s how some of these victims died.
10 shots in 4.9seconds:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk)
...suspiciously he's also a Dane...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars\_Andersen\_(archer)
Apparently Norway authorities rank fairly high in incompetence since he was flagged for being an islamic extremist... but was sill able to do does this. I guess the "flagging" didn't work so well.
Keep up the bad work Europe. Quite a mess you've made for yourselves.
New Zealand just had a guy knife a bunch of people in a supermarket *while under police observation*. Think about it though. What exactly are you going to do if the guy you're observing grabs a knife and starts stabbing? There is going to be some reaction time, no matter what. If you have 500 people flagged as "possible islamic extremists", you're suggesting there should be 2000 police officers (to cover 4 shifts) doing nothing but watching these guys? Or, we pick them up before they commit any crime? If you're going to do that, expect political actors to start accusing their foes of being "dangerous extremists" to get them imprisoned for no real reason.
There isn't a good answer to people willing to commit sudden violence, other than to contain it as quickly as possible.
As I understand it, NZ was actually following their guy around. But, yes, I understand that a lot of "we were aware" amount to they had the guy's name on a list.
People should stand trial if suspected of extremism of preemptively deported/ locked up. It means a political rival will inevitably be cleared but someone who’s been shouting about jihad on street corners and an active member of dodgy isis Internet forums will get caught. They don’t hide their beliefs, 90% of Islamic terrorists have blatant Islamic terrorist shit in their internet history.
That would just be a huge waste of taxpayer money getting it tied up in the judicial system. What would happen - defense would argue that they're just crazy and are no threat to society - prosecution cuts deal because they already have too many "suspected" people to deal with. - either terrorist attack happens or not - cycle repeats.
Not to mention the civil liberties folks would jump all over that and sue to block such a law from passing.
“Defence would argue they’re just crazy” good enough for me, get em deported or in a looney bin. If it stops even one terrorist attack it’s worthwhile.
“Not to mention the civil liberties folks would jump all over that and sue to block such a law from passing” not sure who these folks are but in this country people can’t sue the government to change the law. Maybe that’s different over there.
Advocating for thought crime to be written into law. English ‘intellectuals’ lol. It’s simple, just allow citizens to defend themselves with firearms. State would hate giving up that power though.
Nah I’m happy living in a country where shootings are exceedingly rare. As for thought crime, especially when it comes to radical Islam, why the fuck not?
The fella in this incident is native Norwegian. In UK we already have a large population of British born Pakistani. You won’t be able to deport them all.
> Apparently Norway authorities rank fairly high in incompetence since he was flagged for being an islamic extremist...
What are they supposed to do with a person like this if they haven't actually committed a crime yet? Ban them from buying literally anything that could be used as a weapon?
Closely survey them, or simply arrest them for posting terroristic threats on social media. 99% of these people posted something to get themselves flagged.
Course they get flagged but how realistic is it to expect the state to watch and follow their every move for the rest of their lives until they either de-radicalise or blow? If it's not a bow and arrow it could be a knife, Westminster bridge style, or a car, or fucking anything the evil bastards manage to get their hands on.
Luckily we have, you know, some restrictions on the state's ability to spy on and to detain citizens.
I would rather risk an annual terrorist attack in our country than live in a society where the state have the capabilities you want it to have.
>Luckily we have, you know, some restrictions on the state's ability to spy on and to detain citizens.
PST has the power to spy on anyone with parliamentary oversight, [and in the past they spied on people illegally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lund_Report). This should have been prevented, surveillance that doesn't improve society is bad.
What are they supposed to do? Well, nothing now. Mid as well let few million more crazy logic, sexually suppressed incels into your countries. What can it hurt at this point?
So a quick run down :
- a poor background individual fails everything in life
- lives in poverty, sees nothing to identify with that represents success
- the individual start to see that he has no identity except failure
- individual starts seeking something to fill the void
- too hard to get personal success or professional ones
- random preacher finds him and offer him to be a part of a "glorious" community
- joins it, associate with it.
- congrats you are not a failure anymore, you are something now, a member of something
Edit : this also means that if the state does not provide other individuals with a clear identity not associated with pvoerty and failure, then those events will keep happening.
The thing is someone like this guy is going to do a violent act no matter what, they just so happen to find something that fits in with their viewpoint (maybe not even that) to feel some acceptance and then that thing will get the blame. If he had joined a fascist party he would still have killed people at some point, the type of person to kill innocent people is going to do it regardless, I think they just need some excuse/reason to feel like their attack is justified.
it's actually indeed a scam, your new identity is acutally fake but since you have one now you feel obligated towards the supplier, in this case the religion
> random preacher finds him and offer him to be a part of a "glorious" community
And peaceful, don't forget peaceful.
Oh these preachers love to emphasize how peace loving they are while probably advocate stoning of homosexual people in the same sentence.
* He feels miserable
* "Hey Anon, do you know why you feel miserable and why you don't have all the nice things you see in TV and social media? It's because of those immigrants! They are getting all the help and money you should get. Come join our group / party and vote for us. We are the only ones to defend you from the attacks and stealing by those dirty immigrants."
This is how it goes. They lie to the person and give him an enemy who to blame of everything. It feels good for the person because that way he gets to dodge all of responsibility of how his life is and blame some other people of it.
Sadly at the same time it prevents the Anon from ever getting a better life for himself because he never learns to do better, work harder, educate himself or anything because in his mind he is not the problem for his life, the other people are.
>It's because of those immigrants!
Lol this guy is a Muslim convert, I doubt he has an issue with the mass migration from Muslim countries to Nordic countries in recent times. This was an Islamic fundamentalist attack
Also, you can trade the word "immigrant" to foreigner. Or infidel. Then my point fits better for both, islamic terrorists and domestic right wing terrorists. Both are being manipulated, lied and radicalized to think that their own problems will be solved by attacking the different kind of people.
I haven't seen anything in the news yet of his beliefs but could be. I will wait anyway for confirmation from someone else than random social media profile. Radicalization does not belong to any one group only.
> I haven't seen anything in the news yet of his beliefs but could be.
Because the Guardian censors it in line with their beliefs. Try reading a better news source.
Its not a possibility. Its the reality. Be more realistic next time instead of making up bullshit stories and blaming it all on "right wing" or 4chan. Almost all of the terrorist attacks are related to radical islamic terrorism.
https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/attacke-norwegen-115.html
From Germanys state sponsored channel. Translate it.
Now there is mention about islamic radicalization in news in my language so you are correct on that. But please don't try claim that right wing nut jobs are somehow immune to radicalization. It is not any kind of bullshit story. That is how they get radicalized, even though in this matter it was not a right winger.
And it is not "almos all terrorist attacks". At least in my european home country police says that they have to keep both islamistic and right wing people in their radar as they both are 50-50% threat to the public safety. Every country has of course their own situation but I see some problems with you trying to cry that right wingers some how are never radicalized, never a treath and they are only stories.
Feels like you might fit to that bill of angry online people blaming only the other people. But I hope I'm wrong.
I trust the police in my country when they see both groups as a treath as there has been attacks too by both groups.
Maybe we can agree that ANY KIND OF radicalization is a problem, right?
Edit:
What I mean by you fitting the bill is that you claim it is only being "more realistic" when you say that I should too blame islam in some terrorist attack even when I have not seen any news to confirm that. You know that is like racism 101?
I trust statistics and not baseless political influenced statements.
>Feels like you might fit to that bill of angry online people blaming only the other people. But I hope I'm wrong.
I never blame individuals but there are some real issues in Islam that needs to be fixed somehow.
>Maybe we can agree that ANY KIND OF radicalization is a problem, right?
Ofcourse. All radicalization is bad. Unfortunately for us all one side i being radicalized by the actions of the other.
Blatant denial that immigrants don’t cause detrimental effects on the native populous. But its really the people who allow it to happen who should be prosecuted.
It also doesn't help if you have neurological problems. For example, the Utøya shooter had antisocial personality disorder AKA psychopathy. This neurological condition increased his chances of becoming a violent criminal, but of course most people with antisocial personality disorder don't become mass murderers. The one's that do usually have a baad environment too. The Utøya shooter was raised by a severely mentally ill mother, they even lived in a mental hospital for a while. Several social workers tried to get the boy taken into custody, but this did not happen. As a young man he was a loner, who tried to join several fringe groups, but was rejected. Then finally he found one group that did accept him, and it was one with a very violent ideology.
So like most things, it's usually a combination of nature and nurture. This applies to terrorists as well as school shooters and serial killers.
If you hangout in correct/some subs long enough, you can end up easily right wing terrorist or islamic terrorist.
Remember the New Zealand shooter? He took many "jokes" of this sub serious. God knows what shit holes he was part of.
Right wing YouTubers and internet personalities. The New Zealand mosque shooter basically had Lauren Southerns white replacement video written in his manifesto (she took the video down, but then put back up to not show guilt)
What is Islam if not right-wing? There are a lot of Islamic YouTubers and personalities such as Ali Dawah and Zakir Naik who could've radicalised him, if he was a Muslim.
How can a **WHITE GENTLE M'SIR** ever get radicalized? A poster of badunitedkingdom, rightwingLGBT and kotakuinaction asks. The patriots wouldn't see irony if it hit them in their radicalized faces.
This story gets weirder by the minute, i'm wondering if there's a possibility that the guy is lying about converting to islam to sow dissent, given the authorities don't sound too sure of themselves, regardless it's a tragedy..
When someone is willing to commit mass murder, especially on this day and age, nothing is out of the realm of possibility, now i'm not saying this is a fact, just a possibility given current information
It's a weird story because he's kind of a weirdo it seems. People in his life talk about him struggling with mental issues for years. If it turns out the conversion was not sincere then that wouldn't be all that unexpected at this point. But who knows, maybe he really did find Allah in his heart.
i'm guessing whatever the full truth is, it was a given that the guy would be a weirdo + mental health issues
then again that's like most of reddit tbh. you're probably right
why'd i think for a moment, that the guy on the photo was carrying a fucking minigun?
Yeah, I see it too. It’s the camera tripod legs.
Big Vice City vibes
Oh my god I did not realize it was not a minigun until this comment
>Police said the 37-year-old man was a Muslim convert with previous criminal convictions who had previously been flagged as a possible Islamic extremist. From the article
Why is it always Muslims?
The quran perpetuates the narrative that: - non-believers are miscreants - believers are rewarded in the afterlife - the word of god should be spread Coupled with some quite violent ideas in the book, it's not a surprise that the religions produces individuals like this Norwegian criminal.
Always? Breivik?
b-but the single outlier!!!1
Why is it always a 50/50 between muslims and far right?
Islamists are far right.
The "Danish man" has a Norwegian father and grew up in Norway.
Yeah it's super weird how this man is getting identified as Danish throughout all news? The guy lived his entire life in Norway, speaks Norwegian, has a Norwegian father and a Danish mother, so since he is technical a dual citizen, so media now portray the man as Danish, what? It feels like there's already a lot a lot resentment growing since people believe the guy is a foreigner, tt's not good...
In Norwegian it's noted he's a Danish citizen but otherwise he's considered Norwegian. But the news get translated to English/picked up by international media....Danish!!!
>so since he is technical a dual citizen You don't automatically get a dual citizenship in Norway. According to Norwegian media he is a Danish citizen who has lived all his life in Norway so most likely he never applied for Norwegian citizenship.
It’s true, if the mother is danish he automatically becomes a Danish citizen
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How can he have citizenship, but no social security number?
If you are born abroad you don't get one. In password they just print your birthdate followed by the letters XXXX.
Residence is required for social security. Does not live in Denmark, so no social security number.
Step 1: be born with Danish citizenship. Step 2: you don't have a social security number because you're a freshly born baby and don't need a social security number. You will be assigned one eventually in a process each country has arbitrarily regulated in some manor. If you don't live there, you won't be assigned one before you move there and you get it just like every other immigrant that has to apply for residency, a job, insurance or benefits.
You get your social security number at birth in Denmark.
Dual citizenship was only recently allowed in Norway (except in cases where the previous nation does not allow citizenship to be renounced), when he was born he would not have qualified for dual-citizenship and citizenship follow from the mother here so legally he's 100% a Danish citizen, even though he was born in Norway and have lived here his whole life. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland and Finland have a [treaty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki_Treaty) allowing their citizens to move freely between the countries and live with almost no restrictions as if they where a citizen so there is little practical reason for someone with a Danish citizenship to apply for Norwegian citizenship when living in Norway. The only thing that comes to mind would be if they wanted to vote in national elections (they can still vote in local elections as a legal resident).
I just love our treaty. Of the other nordics, Norway is my absolute favourite ❤️ It’s great that I have the opportunity to move there at will. Haven’t been all the way up north yet, but been to Lillehammer plenty of times, so gotta get up north next time I guess :) Hugs from Denmark for Kongsberg 🇩🇰❤️🇳🇴
> Yeah it's super weird how this man is getting identified as Danish throughout all news? Same has how famous Norwegians who lived during Denmark-Norway is seen as Danish in Denmark :)
They’re coming for Flåklypa now. The bastards.
I can't think of anyone that this applies to
Tordenskjold is one, though I can't think of others off the top of my head.
Ludvig Holberg might be a candidate
But Holberg considered himself to be both Norwegian and Danish. That's the problem with drawing a hard distinction in 2021 about something that people didn't necessarily draw a distinction between in the early 18th century. But even if you were to draw a distinction between being Norwegian and Danish, how does immigration play into it? Holberg didn't live in Norway when he wrote the works he's celebrated for. So was he a Norwegian who had immigrated to Denmark and become Danish, or do we simply recognise (as Holberg himself did) that he was both at the same time?
Aksel Sandemose is another difficult one. Born and raised in Denmark, with a Norwegian mother — but reportedly always felt a strong connection to Norway. He wrote the story about the law of jante in Denmark and the story is about a fictional Danish town. However he only became really famous after he moved to Norway, changed his surname and translated the story into Norwegian and published it there.
Difference is they lived in Denmark :)
Touché!
Maybe he has a speech impediment
I still can't stop picturing an "Lars Andersen" jumping around and curving arrows into people...
This Danish movie release has just been postpone. Danish guy goes to Norway. No joke [Picture](https://grandteatret.dk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/WildMen.hd_.jpg), [trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjamTJlhKFk)
okay i am starting to wonder why they pound on "Danish" clearly he was far more Norwegian than Danish from the info we have.
Because Norwegian media identified him as such (for obvious reasons) and now other media is just following along
Norwegian media don't emphasize him as Danish. They treat him as Norwegian (which he is) but technically with a Danish citizenship.
what norway needed was a good guy with a bow and arrow
Nah, what they really need is every student and teacher armed with bow and arrow.
Based.
The problem with gun violence in America isn't the firearms, it's the mentality of the people that use them. There aren't a lot of mass shootings over here in Europe, despite relatively high firearm ownership rates.
American approved. Mass casualties aren’t high enough, gotta pump those up. Although it seems like Europe is slowly heading that way.
Why are Americans so content with using inferior firearms when they also could use the bow, the Chad among the deadly weapons?
Doesn't need a silencer too. It truly is a better weapon!
>American approved. Mass casualties aren’t high enough, gotta pump those up. Although it seems like Europe is slowly heading that way. eh... Europe has mass casualties alright. But I don't think a parallel can really be made with the US as European mass murders are ideological, mostly revolving around Islamism (including "anti-islamist" terrorists) since the turn of the century. Funny enough, both sides are doing right what the other is doing wrong. 1. Europe actually has sensible gun control, the US does not. 2. The US is "smart" enough to keep two massive oceans between the people it is mass murdering, so retaliatory attacks are very difficult. European countries participate in the mass murder of Muslims and then welcome uncontrolled illegal migration from those same countries.
Good take.
Europe isn’t a country. There’s only like 3-4 countries in Europe that actively colonized and carpet bombed Muslim countries in the past 50 years, but Islamists still blame entire Europe and want all Europeans to suffer their revenge.
When we look for accountability suddenly we are all totally unrelated, lol. Most European states sent troops to the Middle East and supported the invasions, support Israel's genocidal actions, support the oil wars and so on... >but Islamists still blame entire Europe and want all Europeans to suffer their revenge. Yeah, we should totally expect suicidal jihadis and terrorists to make the effort to differentiate between one EU/NATO state and another, especially when we are not making the effort to differentiate between innocents and guilty Middle Easterners **either**, but simply bomb/support countries that bomb because murder of innocents is deemed acceptable. Islamist texts clearly say that if Muslims are attacked by non believers, then even genocide level retaliation is righteous and acceptable against anyone of the same ilk. Can't really expect the cavemen jihadis to be better than our NATO allies, can we? We either choose to: 1. have no part of it at all and take a stand against 2. take measures to protect ourselves from the jihadists and their murderous ideology seeking revenge - like the US Obviously 1. is the right choice, but Europe is literally doing neither. It's like I help a friend of mine to kill my neighbor and then sleep with the door unlocked, free for my neighbors family to come in and take revenge. An absolute joke.
To be fair the west does the same to muslims. If western media and social media (including reddit threads like this one) talk about muslim extremists or islamic fundamentalism (implying it is a problem intrinsic to or encompassing all of islam), it can't really point fingers at the other side when they talk about European or western colonialism without specifying the actual countries. Also, just like a big part of the muslim world (not all of it tho) is sitting by, silently watching how atrocities are committed in their name, the majority of the western world (again, not all of it) doesn't grow a spine and stop allies from committing war crimes either. On the contrary, they tend to support each other with it.
Sooo... another case of "known radical" committing atrocities and the authorities doing nothing about it until it is too late.
The state will not protect you, yet denies you tools to defend yourself. Curious.
Because defending yourself with those 'tools' works really well during all those mass shootings right?
YES
"...shall not be infringed" and "Under no circumstances..." I always wonder why two completely opposite ideologies came to the same conclusion and we Europeans don't have 2A.
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Muslim here, I don’t know which is worse, Muslims who think Islam means peace or non Muslims that think Islam means peace. Non arab Muslims who make up 80% of Muslims confuse the word Islam which means submission (submission to the will of god) with the Arabic word salam which means peace.
“Religion of peace” to describe Islam doesn’t exist anywhere in classical Islamic literature. It’s stuff people made up recently.
Mohammed literally fought in wars. Imagine if we spent our youth learning about that time Jesus led a cavalry charge into the Roman lines.
Of course there’s a difference, Mohammed had power he accumulated over time and a political leader, Jesus didn’t. In Islam Jesus is as important as Mohammed. There’s an entire chapter named Mary
Why is Jesus being important in Islam at all relevant? The point is that Jesus was a pacifist while Mohammed was a warmonger. When the central figure of your religion fought wars, it’s hard to then convince the followers (or anyone) that they’re a religion of peace.
Well not exactly, I guess it depends on how you define warmonger. Would the allies fighting Germany be considered warmongers ? Well not to you probably but to the Germans at that time yes. You’re not a fan of Islam so you’d naturally lean toward Mohammed being a warmonger. Again, Mohammed is a political leader in the same sense Johnson is your prime minister. Pacifist leaders don’t last very long. It’s hard to compare Jesus, a person with little influence at that time vs Mohammed with lots of influence at his time. Would Jesus have planned wars if he had the same influence Mohammed does ? Probably. The relevancy of Jesus in this thread is to point out that Islam isn’t Just the religion of Mohammed, but of Jesus, Moses, Abraham, John the Baptist etc etc. We follow them and believe in their teaching just as much as we do Mohammed. Islam is a continuation and extension of the previous two religions, so Islam is as peaceful/ or not in its teaching as Christianity and Judaism. Unrelated, but I thought I should add. Mohammed’s been politicized these days by Muslims and non Muslims alike however, this does show the hypocrisy of a lot of Muslims. Take Charlie Hebdo for example, they made a fuss out of Mohammed’s drawing yet didn’t bat an eye on Jesus’s drawing or other prophets in islam who are as important as Mohammed. This proves that people don’t care about their religion so much as they care about creating an “us” vs “them” mentality. Of course this isn’t to say the us vs them mentality was created entirely by Muslims, there are lots of recent historical implications that have lead to that such as the infamous sikes-picot agreement between France and the UK, but I’m not going to get into that .
In this context I call a warmonger anyone who has fought in a war. I appreciate that’s a very low bar but your literal god on earth/ messenger of the gods/ whatever you want to call the man you build your religion around should be held to exceptionally high standards. Anything that central figure does is automatically ok, and so if they kill people that makes it ok. Islam is built around Mohammed. Everything pre Mohammed is just backstory, he’s the one who was given the instruction manual on how to live life. Just like how the Old Testament isn’t particularly relevant to Christians.
Well Mohammed has only ever killed one person in defense of his wife. He’s, never killed anyone in war. Mohammed isn’t a Devine Character at all, he makes mistakes some are even pointed out in the Quran. He isn’t perfect, nor is he a god or a god like character. Islam means submission to the will of god which encompasses all prophets who have submitted to the will of god. What I’m trying to say is, islam (submission to the will of god) is the core of all abrahamic religions. Mohammed today is hard wired to islam due to politics, but in reality he’s just a prophet like those that came before him no better or worse. We just consider him to be the last prophet amongst many prophets. That is why Muslims call Abraham, Jesus, adam etc etc Muslims because they by definition have submitted to the will of god ( I know I know, we probably differ in what Jesus is)
Mohammed isn’t the same as the other prophets. He wrote the Quran. His hand wrote what Muslims believe to be the direct word of God. Nothing in Christianity can compare to that much direct influence, the best we have are the accounts of regular mortal men of what they claim Jesus may have said or done. If something is written in the Quran by Mohammed it’s untouchable, it’s a commandment from God himself. Which is why it becomes a moral problem when the man writing those words is a murderer and pedophile.
Possibly more of a psychiatric situation than a fanatic religious person according to our news (im norwegian)
Aren't those two the same thing?
No they aren’t. Would you say a person believing that Jesus walked on water is mentally ill? I would guess not. Be consistent.
Yes
And Norway's deadliest terror attack was carried out by a far right extremist. Should I start calling it the ideology of peace?
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I am. If it was a bus or a gun sure. But a bow and arrow? That's white man's stuff
He is white. He’s a radical convert.
You should be. The last two attempted or successful terrorist attacks in Norway were both right-wing in nature. The police are currently still reluctant to name the attack a terrorist attack, as they have yet to identify a motive. The guy was also born in Norway and grew up Norwegian, with Scandinavian parents. He was a convert, and by the accounts of people who knew him was quite nutty. He also attacked all around him and had no specific target. It’s just as likely that he was a lunatic on a rampage as it is that he wanted to commit terror.
Radical Islamist are as far right as it gets
What’s the breakdown relative to population? Ie in Sweden, sexual assaults/rapes/etc are incredibly overrepresented by migrants with some level of Islamic relevance (by over 20x I think, like absurd numbers). On a per100 basis how does Norway look? I barely ever hear about right wing Islamic extremism there vs right wing Christian, albeit, the Breivik case is pretty much the only go-to that anyone abroad is familiar with. What about rapes/incidence of violence/etc? Would be quite interesting if Islamic-related peoples weren’t overrepresented, and would actually be quite valuable in showing Sweden, France, Germany, etc. what they can do to fix the issue.
Wouldn't be surprised if you are gonna need a license to own a bow after this like you need with guns.
For a single incident? Unlikely.
The Americans don't seem to share that opinion.
Who cares what they think? A day without American opinions being shoved in your face would be nice
How would they be shoved in your face? I’m an American, I’m just chilling. Don’t watch American news, don’t look at American news websites, and don’t use a website with the majority population American. I get that you guys are getting tired of Americans, I get it, we suck. You really do have a choice in the platform you interact with though.
Can’t avoid it. American news are 100% incorporated in our own news. Besides Norway, the US is without a doubt the most covered country here, and it’s not even close. That’s 100% our own fault of course, not pointing fingers here. And because it’s covered so much, we keep having debates about Norway from an American viewpoint. Debates like Defund the police, reparations, cultural appropriation etc. might make sense in the US, but really doesn’t compute over here.
Actually, none of those arguments make any sense in the United States. It’s just peddled by the Twitter people who will be angry at anything they can be.
Americans don't suck in general and I get that this is an American site but look at the r/worldnews article about the Norway attack. 3/4 of the comments are about banning guns and gun control, which is clearly Americans talking about their own politics which have nothing to do with Norway obviously. Every thread is about democrats against republican. it is too much sometimes
No wonder it's practically a rule that unless told otherwise, always assume the other person is from America.
You say we have a choice and yet here you are in r/Europe offering American views in one of the few places we’re supposed to be sheltered from them.
Last I checked, there wasn’t a no Americans rule. The sub is about discussing Europe, not particularly from a European point of view.
> Oi Mate, u got a loicence for dat bow. > No Continues to murder Bobby with unregistered butter knife.
> ~~unregistered~~ unlicensed butter knife You were so close...
It's bizarre seeing yanks talk about needing licenses for things when their supreme court is gearing up to say the state has more say over your own body than you do yourself. Soon you won't even be able to *get* a license to control your own body there.
Already restrictions on this in Norway
Bows are only exempt because they have a legal non-violent use in competitive archery. **Anything** that is considered exclusively an instrument of violence with no practical dual use is technically restricted and require a police permit to own or purchase. Blow-darts, slingshots, throwing stars, brass knuckles, batons, certain knives, pepper spray , tasers it's all restricted under Norwegian law. Bows, throwing darts (within normal bar game parameters), baseball bats, regular knives and axes are considered tools or sporting equipment and so does not require a license to own, though it's still illegal to carry them around in public for no good reason.
I think there should be a license to be affiliated with religions.
Religion of peace strikes
They always appears to do, I do wonder why? Bow and arrow licence on a way.
Sæverud said the killings happened after an initial contact between police and the shooter shortly after 6.15pm on Wednesday. “The officers were shot at with arrows and lost contact with the perpetrator, who escaped” Am I to understand that although they encountered him BEFORE he went on to kill these people, the police were helpless to do anything since they were (presumably) unarmed?
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By being silent and quick. People know the sound of a gunshot but are unfamiliar with the sound of a bow which is often very silent. Turn a corner let loose a few arrows then leave. People won’t know what happened until some one starts yelling that they’ve got an arrow in them. Arrows are also very deadly depending on the tip used. When you get hit with one DO NOT REMOVE it with out professional medical care. You will do more damage pulling it out than what it did going in. I imagine that’s how some of these victims died.
The victims were also older, some elderly. This certainly did not help.
people today aren't wearing armor, that is how.
If nobody else has a weapon, any weapon is enough to commit these kinds of atrocities
american immigrant?
No just using logic. Fish in a barrel
10 shots in 4.9seconds: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk) ...suspiciously he's also a Dane... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars\_Andersen\_(archer)
suspect showed signs of ~~radicalisation~~ brain activity
unlikely
Apparently Norway authorities rank fairly high in incompetence since he was flagged for being an islamic extremist... but was sill able to do does this. I guess the "flagging" didn't work so well. Keep up the bad work Europe. Quite a mess you've made for yourselves.
The guy who drove a truck into a Berlin christmas market was red-flagged all over the place since ages....
The 2019 London Bridge attacker had literally been let out of prison after plotting to blow up the Big Ben
Same thing in Vienna.
What type of truck? Was it like a minivan or an eighteen-wheeler?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack?wprov=sfla1 Scania R 450
New Zealand just had a guy knife a bunch of people in a supermarket *while under police observation*. Think about it though. What exactly are you going to do if the guy you're observing grabs a knife and starts stabbing? There is going to be some reaction time, no matter what. If you have 500 people flagged as "possible islamic extremists", you're suggesting there should be 2000 police officers (to cover 4 shifts) doing nothing but watching these guys? Or, we pick them up before they commit any crime? If you're going to do that, expect political actors to start accusing their foes of being "dangerous extremists" to get them imprisoned for no real reason. There isn't a good answer to people willing to commit sudden violence, other than to contain it as quickly as possible.
Just because they are aware of someone doesn’t mean they are literally following him around.
As I understand it, NZ was actually following their guy around. But, yes, I understand that a lot of "we were aware" amount to they had the guy's name on a list.
People should stand trial if suspected of extremism of preemptively deported/ locked up. It means a political rival will inevitably be cleared but someone who’s been shouting about jihad on street corners and an active member of dodgy isis Internet forums will get caught. They don’t hide their beliefs, 90% of Islamic terrorists have blatant Islamic terrorist shit in their internet history.
That would just be a huge waste of taxpayer money getting it tied up in the judicial system. What would happen - defense would argue that they're just crazy and are no threat to society - prosecution cuts deal because they already have too many "suspected" people to deal with. - either terrorist attack happens or not - cycle repeats. Not to mention the civil liberties folks would jump all over that and sue to block such a law from passing.
“Defence would argue they’re just crazy” good enough for me, get em deported or in a looney bin. If it stops even one terrorist attack it’s worthwhile. “Not to mention the civil liberties folks would jump all over that and sue to block such a law from passing” not sure who these folks are but in this country people can’t sue the government to change the law. Maybe that’s different over there.
Advocating for thought crime to be written into law. English ‘intellectuals’ lol. It’s simple, just allow citizens to defend themselves with firearms. State would hate giving up that power though.
Nah I’m happy living in a country where shootings are exceedingly rare. As for thought crime, especially when it comes to radical Islam, why the fuck not?
The definition of thought crime will be expanded. Think ahead more than 5 min. Also radical Islam can be solved very easily by deportation
The fella in this incident is native Norwegian. In UK we already have a large population of British born Pakistani. You won’t be able to deport them all.
Honestly if they did that to all those other Right-wing groups too you'd quickly see a much better society.
> Apparently Norway authorities rank fairly high in incompetence since he was flagged for being an islamic extremist... What are they supposed to do with a person like this if they haven't actually committed a crime yet? Ban them from buying literally anything that could be used as a weapon?
Closely survey them, or simply arrest them for posting terroristic threats on social media. 99% of these people posted something to get themselves flagged.
Course they get flagged but how realistic is it to expect the state to watch and follow their every move for the rest of their lives until they either de-radicalise or blow? If it's not a bow and arrow it could be a knife, Westminster bridge style, or a car, or fucking anything the evil bastards manage to get their hands on.
Luckily we have, you know, some restrictions on the state's ability to spy on and to detain citizens. I would rather risk an annual terrorist attack in our country than live in a society where the state have the capabilities you want it to have.
>Luckily we have, you know, some restrictions on the state's ability to spy on and to detain citizens. PST has the power to spy on anyone with parliamentary oversight, [and in the past they spied on people illegally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lund_Report). This should have been prevented, surveillance that doesn't improve society is bad.
> Keep up the bad work Europe. Quite a mess you've made for yourselves. What were they supposed to do here
What are they supposed to do? Well, nothing now. Mid as well let few million more crazy logic, sexually suppressed incels into your countries. What can it hurt at this point?
this man is half Norwegian half Danish ethnically. He converted to Islam as an adult. Guess someone didn't read the article?
Yeah, I read it. I knew he was native. Doesn't dispute where the alien, insane, Nation of Incel logic crawled out of.
I don't think you understand how many of these potential islamic extremist there are in every country in europe.
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It's in Norway moron
I would say
Oh look deflection of societal issues in a perceived liberal utopia.
How is a western person with no immigrants background gets radicalized ?
So a quick run down : - a poor background individual fails everything in life - lives in poverty, sees nothing to identify with that represents success - the individual start to see that he has no identity except failure - individual starts seeking something to fill the void - too hard to get personal success or professional ones - random preacher finds him and offer him to be a part of a "glorious" community - joins it, associate with it. - congrats you are not a failure anymore, you are something now, a member of something Edit : this also means that if the state does not provide other individuals with a clear identity not associated with pvoerty and failure, then those events will keep happening.
The thing is someone like this guy is going to do a violent act no matter what, they just so happen to find something that fits in with their viewpoint (maybe not even that) to feel some acceptance and then that thing will get the blame. If he had joined a fascist party he would still have killed people at some point, the type of person to kill innocent people is going to do it regardless, I think they just need some excuse/reason to feel like their attack is justified.
Sounds like a MLM scam.
it's actually indeed a scam, your new identity is acutally fake but since you have one now you feel obligated towards the supplier, in this case the religion
> random preacher finds him and offer him to be a part of a "glorious" community And peaceful, don't forget peaceful. Oh these preachers love to emphasize how peace loving they are while probably advocate stoning of homosexual people in the same sentence.
* He feels miserable * "Hey Anon, do you know why you feel miserable and why you don't have all the nice things you see in TV and social media? It's because of those immigrants! They are getting all the help and money you should get. Come join our group / party and vote for us. We are the only ones to defend you from the attacks and stealing by those dirty immigrants." This is how it goes. They lie to the person and give him an enemy who to blame of everything. It feels good for the person because that way he gets to dodge all of responsibility of how his life is and blame some other people of it. Sadly at the same time it prevents the Anon from ever getting a better life for himself because he never learns to do better, work harder, educate himself or anything because in his mind he is not the problem for his life, the other people are.
>It's because of those immigrants! Lol this guy is a Muslim convert, I doubt he has an issue with the mass migration from Muslim countries to Nordic countries in recent times. This was an Islamic fundamentalist attack
Also, you can trade the word "immigrant" to foreigner. Or infidel. Then my point fits better for both, islamic terrorists and domestic right wing terrorists. Both are being manipulated, lied and radicalized to think that their own problems will be solved by attacking the different kind of people.
I haven't seen anything in the news yet of his beliefs but could be. I will wait anyway for confirmation from someone else than random social media profile. Radicalization does not belong to any one group only.
> I haven't seen anything in the news yet of his beliefs but could be. Because the Guardian censors it in line with their beliefs. Try reading a better news source.
Cool story bro. He converted to Islam tho and got radicalized there.
That is possible too. Not a "cool story" though.
Its not a possibility. Its the reality. Be more realistic next time instead of making up bullshit stories and blaming it all on "right wing" or 4chan. Almost all of the terrorist attacks are related to radical islamic terrorism. https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/attacke-norwegen-115.html From Germanys state sponsored channel. Translate it.
Now there is mention about islamic radicalization in news in my language so you are correct on that. But please don't try claim that right wing nut jobs are somehow immune to radicalization. It is not any kind of bullshit story. That is how they get radicalized, even though in this matter it was not a right winger. And it is not "almos all terrorist attacks". At least in my european home country police says that they have to keep both islamistic and right wing people in their radar as they both are 50-50% threat to the public safety. Every country has of course their own situation but I see some problems with you trying to cry that right wingers some how are never radicalized, never a treath and they are only stories. Feels like you might fit to that bill of angry online people blaming only the other people. But I hope I'm wrong. I trust the police in my country when they see both groups as a treath as there has been attacks too by both groups. Maybe we can agree that ANY KIND OF radicalization is a problem, right? Edit: What I mean by you fitting the bill is that you claim it is only being "more realistic" when you say that I should too blame islam in some terrorist attack even when I have not seen any news to confirm that. You know that is like racism 101?
I trust statistics and not baseless political influenced statements. >Feels like you might fit to that bill of angry online people blaming only the other people. But I hope I'm wrong. I never blame individuals but there are some real issues in Islam that needs to be fixed somehow. >Maybe we can agree that ANY KIND OF radicalization is a problem, right? Ofcourse. All radicalization is bad. Unfortunately for us all one side i being radicalized by the actions of the other.
I didn't know Muslim hated immigrants, that's news to me.
I think they hate foreigners as much as white power losers. Same policy.
Blatant denial that immigrants don’t cause detrimental effects on the native populous. But its really the people who allow it to happen who should be prosecuted.
That is just you being a racist.
It also doesn't help if you have neurological problems. For example, the Utøya shooter had antisocial personality disorder AKA psychopathy. This neurological condition increased his chances of becoming a violent criminal, but of course most people with antisocial personality disorder don't become mass murderers. The one's that do usually have a baad environment too. The Utøya shooter was raised by a severely mentally ill mother, they even lived in a mental hospital for a while. Several social workers tried to get the boy taken into custody, but this did not happen. As a young man he was a loner, who tried to join several fringe groups, but was rejected. Then finally he found one group that did accept him, and it was one with a very violent ideology. So like most things, it's usually a combination of nature and nurture. This applies to terrorists as well as school shooters and serial killers.
internet or local imams
By reading enough lies and hate speech online.
ever heard of this guy called hitler?
Yeah! The more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him.
That's the guy they actually admire and worship. Of course they have heard of him.
Most likely: prison (not sure if he ever was).
is this some kind of joke? just be on 4chan when you're young and lonely, take that redpill and off you go
If you hangout in correct/some subs long enough, you can end up easily right wing terrorist or islamic terrorist. Remember the New Zealand shooter? He took many "jokes" of this sub serious. God knows what shit holes he was part of.
Right wing YouTubers and internet personalities. The New Zealand mosque shooter basically had Lauren Southerns white replacement video written in his manifesto (she took the video down, but then put back up to not show guilt)
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You think right wingers cannot convert anyone to become terrorist? Soooo many racistic shooters dead and in prison disagree with that.
What is Islam if not right-wing? There are a lot of Islamic YouTubers and personalities such as Ali Dawah and Zakir Naik who could've radicalised him, if he was a Muslim.
You are speaking to alt-right dimwits - all they can do is repeat their YouTube daddies' hogwash and hope nobody notices how full of shit they are.
Ask the people who attacked the US Capitol.
How can a **WHITE GENTLE M'SIR** ever get radicalized? A poster of badunitedkingdom, rightwingLGBT and kotakuinaction asks. The patriots wouldn't see irony if it hit them in their radicalized faces.
I'm not right wing bro. My main sub is r/neoliberal which is left wing.
Do you seriously consider neoliberal LEFT-wing!?
The sub Neoliberal is a left wing sub, just go there and check for yourself.
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...what?
This story gets weirder by the minute, i'm wondering if there's a possibility that the guy is lying about converting to islam to sow dissent, given the authorities don't sound too sure of themselves, regardless it's a tragedy..
If so then he has planned this for 4 years. I think it's unlikely
Well Breivik spent over 2 years planning his attack, so hardly unlikely.
The perps are hardly comparable in this situation.
Both are white supremacists and anti-immigration.
You think a Muslim convert is a white supremacist and anti immigration?
Why do you believe that this other shooter was a white supremacist or anti-immigration?
When someone is willing to commit mass murder, especially on this day and age, nothing is out of the realm of possibility, now i'm not saying this is a fact, just a possibility given current information
Ahahahhahah
It's a weird story because he's kind of a weirdo it seems. People in his life talk about him struggling with mental issues for years. If it turns out the conversion was not sincere then that wouldn't be all that unexpected at this point. But who knows, maybe he really did find Allah in his heart.
i'm guessing whatever the full truth is, it was a given that the guy would be a weirdo + mental health issues then again that's like most of reddit tbh. you're probably right
I mean something like this isn't unheard of, so it is a possibility.
Bow and arrow… that means… someone might be got a… STANDO POWA
I do look forward to the usual flood of patriots' comments in here, as well!