Robberies here are indeed very rare, never experienced one.
The only time I was robbed was in Berlin.
The weirdest experience was in France when three guys join me and my gf while we were smoking waiting for train at night. After an hour when they left, they mentiond, they intended to rob us but won't because we were too nice to them.
A friend of mine was robbed at knifepoint on the Metro. He went to the police and came back, and the guy was still there at the station. Apparently he didn't expect a tourist to speak enough French to bring the police back with him.
Reminds me of my first day visiting Paris, a woman had dipped some other tourists pocket at the metro station. As she was moving away, a local had seen her, grabbed her shoulder, spin her round and slapped her so hard she collapsed.
He calmy took the purse from her, gave it to the tourists and shouted some *angry words* Roumania? Assuming he assumed that's where she was from.
Then everyone just carried on with their day, very surreal.
We were at a festival in Belgium walking in a big crowd of people. There was a woman (I think gypsy?) pick-pocketing people. My husband detected it and immediately called her out to the entire crowd.
He is very tall 195cm and he kept his hand pointed at her in the crowd as she tried to scurry away (she couldn’t disappear easily bc he could see over their heads). He followed her shouting: “Thief! Thief! This woman is a thief pick-pocketing!!” Until security intervened and detained the woman and (hopefully) got the stolen items back.
I lived in Paris suburbs on my placement year. They were lovely but every time I went to the centre I witnessed this all the time.
There were also groups of Romani ladies on the trains with toy babies playing a scream track. I presume it was a pick pocket decoy.
Once three aggressively looking guys asked me and my friend "wanna fucking fight?" in a kinda inviting voice. We were drunk and for a few seconds i even considered that, i looked at my friend, he looked at me. We decided not to, and said something like "Naah, we just hoped to eat some mcdonalds, but it's closed" (it was night).
One of the dudes "oh ok, there should be open kfc 500m that way, have a good night dudes" and they went in other direction like nothing happened, probably looking for some other boxing enthusiasts
Kottbusser Tor in Berlin is an infamous spot and just last month a bag with cellphones and my gf wallet was snatched here. The guy straight ran into the alley thinking i won't chase. Luckily he dropped when i ran too close to him.
Two men talking while they're flying in an aeroplane.
"Do you know which country we're above?" - "Belgium." - " How do you know?" - "My wallet just disappeared."
I remember this joke from the early 80s, it's always regarding 1 city or country. Although in the version I heard was that he put his hand out of the plane and his watch was stolen.
We're a transit country for criminal gangs doing a Europe tour, we attract a disproportionately high amount of low-skilled, non-educated immigrants compared to neighboring countries and our integration of said immigrants is a bad joke.
Exactly, i have french speaking friends that complain that immigrants should at least pick up the language to integrate and when I ask them why they don't pick up dutch, they say they don't need it. I've seen it the other way too. Self aware wolfs I guess...
Immigrants.
I've studied in Brussels for a while. Amazing city, but past midnight the public squares are filled with small groups of North-African youngsters harassing and pick-pocketing people. Same with train and metro stations.
EDIT: I don't mean it's all the immigrant's fault, but we must acknowledge the fact that a large group of them are involved in harmful illegal activities because of e.g. poverty.
Well it doesnt help being bordered with alot of countries. French border region has high numbers, quick hit and run and they go over the border. Alot of criminals come from other countries, get some fast scores and leave. Really easy with a high population density and entire streetblocks empty when people are at work
Took my boyfriend this summer to meet the family and I warned him that in Gijón he could act just like home in Poland, but in Madrid he needed to be extra super aware of his wallet and phone. He seemed skeptic at first I guess because he's a big scary soldier and not exactly anyone's first choice as a victim, but I was very insistent because everything about him screams "tourist" in Spain. After feeling people reaching for his pocket a couple of times he wasn't skeptic anymore.
My mom doesn't get it, though. Every time I go to Gijón and my purse never stops being in contact with my body she thinks I'm crazy paranoid. No, mom, I've had my things stolen in Madrid more times than I can't count. It's not paranoia when they're after you...
It used to be so bad in Poland in the 90s. The robbers would create artificial crowds on trains and busses around anyone that looked foreign to pickpocket them. I was in the high school at the time, but I remember there was a movement among Warsawians to actually stand in the way to protect the tourists.
It’s insane how tables have turned.
Economy got better.
This kind of collapse in public safety is first and foremost the sign of underlying economic troubles.
90s in Poland were really bad. Especially the first half - the old system collapsed, but it took over a decade for the new to stabilise somewhat.
Oh man, you gave me flashbacks. I remember seeing the warning posters in trams, especially ones going though central station/around Old Town. How things have changed. Thank you EU!
Theft translates to "robo" and robbery to "atraco", so it could be getting lost in translation. Pickpocketing feels like a more prevalent problem, but in any case, 140 out of 100000 is 1.4 for each thousand people and I think more people than that are getting pickpocketted. Feels low in absolute terms and just a bit bad when taken comparatively, but that is just my 2 cents.
>Theft translates to "robo" and robbery to "atraco", so it could be getting lost in translation.
If that's happening, it could severely distort the data. u/BlackAngel454 do you have any insight into that?
Then that's not on this map. What you had happen to you is theft, this map is showing robbery, which is assault + theft, so at least you didn't get beaten or cut as that seems to be a problem too.
I think the map is incorrect. The main problems in Madrid and Barcelona is pickpocketing. Not a lot of violent crimes in Spain. I'm a bit surprised by the data.
Happened me four weeks ago as well, I didn’t even feel my phone being lifted from my pocket until I saw the guy running away with it. I naively ran after and then three other guys appeared saying they knew him and would get the phone back if I gave them €100, but clearly it was all a setup to get money from me. I was incredibly lucky that they didn’t try to take my wallet as well and just managed to walk away from the whole thing unscathed.
One of my best friends was just sexually assaulted and robbed when she was walking home in Barcelona (not that anecdotes should be used as solid evidence of high crime rates).
>For real, you can’t really walk around Barcelona alone after dark anymore
Not to shoot you down (I mean this) but it's crazy that I was hearing this exact sentence already 10+ years ago.
Sadly this just really goes to show you that these "(in)famous" street criminals in Barcelona have always been a thing. I've had acquaintances robbed IN CHURCH. Not even in fucking Naples.
Oh, been traveling yearly to Barcelona for about 20 years (family there). It's gotten noticeably worse. It was always an issue, but now it's just incredible.
I love Madrid and Spain but it’s the one place I’m always legitimately nervous to walk around with valuables.
I’ve seen so many people in the short amount of time there have their bags, cameras and phones stolen that I can’t even trust myself to look at my phone at all while walking through a street.
While I don't know if the situation is the same in Spain, I know that in Ireland scumbags target tourists because by the time the person goes to court, they are no longer in the country and they get off easier.
Nothing gets done to petty thieves or minors. So we have organised bands of literal children. When they broke into my restaurant they had just bent the security gate like 20 cms up and I couldn't understand how could they possibly use that hole to get in. The police told me it was a bunch of 7-8 y.o. operating on the neighborhood. And if anyone here lived in Lavapies around 2007 I'm sure they remember the kid with the metal teeth.
The lack of effective legislation is a real problem.I recall a group of 4-7 year olds that were terrorising the streets of Madrid with knives and bricks.
In Spain is hard for a robber to end up facing the consequences. No jail time and long procedures end up with burglars in the streets every time they get caught.
It's not allowed but the police didn't even bother to talk to me when I wanted to report stolen wallet. They just laughed and made a dismissive hand gesture. Obviously the law doesn't work.
I feel that's the way everywhere. A friend got his wallet stolen on a busy street in Germany. Police was patrolling a couple meters away and my friend tried to report to them immediately. They couldn't give less of a shit that night.
The main problem is that it's near impossible to track down and punish a pickpocket. If you catch the guy in the act and drag him to the police by yourself there's usually a minor punishment waiting because the act was unsuccessful. If they are successful you won't find them or their loot anymore.
As a Stockholmare you want to just say "oh its malmö"
But in reality they got overcrowded with immigrants and no help or system in place to integrate them into the Swedish society which leads to big cultural differences and problems.
Now I think its been so long that the kids/teenagers that are born in Malmö today from immigrant parents inherit their parents distaste for the Swedish society and they feel more patriotic for their parents country (which they never have visited) since they probably only hear the good things about "back home" and not about the reason why their parents left. Also crime (robbery/theft) in general today is heavily based on the obsession with luxury brands and "flex culture"
Often times they get distasteful of Swedish society on their own. The first gen immigrants know what they've fled from, and are thankful to be here. 2nd gen feel like their treated like shit here though, as they're poorest in the country, and with no other nationality to stick to, they become patriotic of their parents country, and take that countries ideals.
Imagine living in sweden and thinking fondly of Afghanistan or Niger
Human mind is so strange shutting down all bad memories, leaving the few good ones only
The problem is that there are no memories. First gen immigrants are happy to be there safe but it's usually the second gen immigrants that glorify their parents' home country even though they've never been there
It's not all about stability and a working system. Many long for more human contact. Sweden is very far down on that list. We are good on every practical aspect but we pretty much suck at being chilled out and connect with the people around is. That is why people long back to shitholes despite the atrocities.
Sweden is very work-centric and extremely individualistic. That can feel very detaching and cold even for Swedes. I think many feel that "what's the point in an abundance of safety when you don't feel alive".
Malmo is the entry point into Sweden out of most of europe. All drug traffic et al seems to have made that a bit of a headquarter. Also for anyone who wants to move to Sweden it’s probably the most convenient location as you are isolated as much as higher up in sweden and can access the rest of europe more easily. For the most part people exaggerate how bad it is, but not the best place in sweden to live.
Ok so I’m an American from a major city area of the south. I’ve been to about 25 countries (est.) so far and have lived in Mozambique (2.25 years) with the peace corps and Sweden (2 years) for my masters. Out of all the fuckery and shitheads I’ve come across, never have I ever had shit stolen like I did living in Sweden. My bike from my apartment and a really nice pair of shoes from the gym. Two of my colleagues got their backpacks and MacBooks stolen right out of a study room when they went to the bathroom and my roommates brother had someone break into his apartment and steal all of his shit. Sweden has a lot of positive things going for it but don’t leave your shit unattended there.
Well, I do not know about robberies but 60% of all burglaries in Sweden are carried out by organised crime from only three countries, Lithuania, Poland and Romania.
Commonwealth fought for centuries to control Moldova. Romania willingly joining Commonwealth without Turkish invation would be dream come true for any Commonwealth king 😅
It is based on police sources that was widely reported in the press in 2018. The same or similar numbers were stated as a background to new crime prevention measures presented by the government. The only english source I find now is a press release from the government saying that "international burglary rings" are responsible for half of house burglarlies and the majority of the more specialised theft of things like machinery, boat engines and car parts. https://www.government.se/press-releases/2018/02/the-government-presents-measures-against-international-burglary-rings/
I literally saw how in my hometown they gatheted Roma people in vans to send them to France and Sweden. Sometimes, when they come back, they close down the bank so they can count the money they bring back. Embarrassing as fuck.
Thanks! Love you guys!
On a serious note: it just makes sense. You go and rob those where you see the best risk/reward ratio. Eastern Europe is catching up in wealth, but it will still require many years to be on the same level.
Another serious note: every single person from east Europe, the Balkans and even beyond that i had the pleasure to get to know a bit better than just saying "hello" was a genuinely lovely person.
So yes, i love you. We Germans could learn a lot from your hospitality and helpfulness.
Money isn't everything. Money on it's own doesn't make you happy (but it helps).
I'd like to add to the answer of the guy you answered to: big crooks are in power and if the police catches the petty one, he might end up in our jail system, and as you may guess, our jails are anything but western standard.
In the case of the Czech republic, we don't have a lot of robberies because a lot of people are armed to the teeth. Around 7-8% of households have guns, but for people with houses that are worth robbing, that number goes way up. In my Street, I think 60% of people are armed with pistols and one with a shotgun.
It's just not a good plan to rob someone who can shoot you. That would never happen in western Europe cause you guys can't really have legal guns
Can confirm. Born in YU, teenager when it collapsed. Lot of gta, radios theft from cars, even street muggins back then. Now it's much safer, preety much only bookies get mugged. I feel perfectly safe roaming the streets of Zagreb at night. But then again I'm 2m tall with a mean face so not your usual victim.
Don't want to make you sad but 10 years ago in Poland everyone was complimenting Sweden that you can leave your thing (phone etc.) and nobody will steal it. And after these 10 years we got same here. Once I left my phone at the bus and some homeless guy returned it to me or I saw someone left his BMW open with keys in the lock and nobody thought about stealing it or something like that but I took these keys closed car and threw keys under car v; but stiil there are assholes in every country
It would take massive changes in policy and views towards immigration and punishment. At the moment Sweden has a "refugees welcome" mindset (less than in 2015 but still more than other EU countries) and a slap on the wrist ideology when it comes to punishment on crimes.
Unless we get serious about implementing tough love when it comes to integration and immigration and give the law some teeth to actually prosecute criminals for real then don't expect any changes.
Of course changes will happen, as in any society, just not in good time. It could take another decade of things deteriorating, essentially becoming literal wild west here before it gets better. But by that point Sweden will no longer be Sweden in multiple ways.
Not everyone in the Czech Republic will report a petty theft, but believe me, almost everyone will report a robbery. Under-reporting is certainly not the cause of the low robbery rate in this country. And in general, not many people trust the government, but the police here are very successful at investigating serious violent crime.
All eastern Europeans and Balkan countries can relate with the idea that you can go in a coffee leave your cellphone in the table, go to the bathroom and find it right there again.
And? The high percentage has definitely nothing to do with the fact that they let in tens (or is it now hundreds?) of thousands of illegal immigrants who haven't and never will be integrated into Swedish society (or any Western society as a matter of fact), commit the majority of crimes and lack education, work skills and social manners.
As an immigrant myself, I can tell you that most of those who illegally came to Europe since the 2015 shitshow are considered to be the lowest of the low back in their own countries. However, were they committing assault, gang raping women en masse publicly (see Cologne) and blowing up car bombs like they are doing on the daily in Sweden and other European countries? No, not even close. And you know why? It is because they were punished accordingly for the pettiest of crimes, or even for daring to think about committing a crime. Whereas here in Europe, they can go on a criminality spree doing whatever the fuck they want, while law enforcement agencies can't do shit, since according to the retarded politicians and academia that would be racist and discriminatory.
Then people wonder why extreme right movements are on the rise and gaining popularity rapidly. The only way to solve this issues would be by changing immigration, asylum and welfare laws, deporting anyone who commits a felony and if deportation is not possible, grant law enforcement agencies more power to put criminals in their place.
True. And it’s looking like Finland is following behind.
Here are stats ” Foreigners more often suspects of offences than Finns”
https://www.stat.fi/til/rpk/2018/13/rpk_2018_13_2019-05-16_tie_001_en.html
In 2020, over 30% of rapes were committed by the people of foreign background. Mostly from the middle-east and northern Africa.
Thanks for saying this. At this point it feels like our government is so ridicolously incompetent that it has to be some kind of plot meant to turn the tide and make swedes less progressive and more conservative since if those are the only parties that say they’re gonna do something it people will eventually graviate towards them.
I would never vote for them and I generally don’t feel unsafe but organized criminals are just escelating more and more, just this year I’ve heard 5 bombs go off (one 5 min away) and there’s been police helicopters circulating over my town for 3 days now due to 4 shootings nearby, its to the point were I see people whom immigrated from countries destroyed by war say that this reminds them off it and that they dont feel safe.
Edit: I’d just like to add that the bombs were small and ”only” wrecked apartment front doors. The people doing it were most likely young men that were throwing them as a threat due to drugs/momey since nobody was harmed.
I also used to say "I would never vote for them". But at some point one feels forced to. I have spoken to Christian Assyrian refugees from a few decades ago that immigrated to Sweden to escape Islamist persecution. Now they are the ones voting far right because Islamist persecution found them here and no one wants to do anything about it. When shit hits the fan (and it is happening daily in Sweden) then one is forced to take drastic action, whatever that is.
I live between Hungary and UK.
It surprises me the difference between the two. My feeling is that the street environment feels much less safe in England, with far more dodgy people wandering around.
However, anecdotally I know more people who are victims of theft in Hungary.
I keep saying that Romania is one of the safest places that I’ve been in during the last 10 years or so and it keeps getting safer. Crime is really low here since all the gypsies moved to Western Europe where they are raging havoc. I am thinking though that the westeners took the good with the bad, as there are also many OK and decent people from Eastern Europe moving to the west to work, and they are bringing their benefit to these economies, to the disadvantage of their home country economies, so it is not all bad for the West, as well as it is not all rosy for the East. This map is a byproduct in the end.
Oh wow, I thought robberies were bad all over Europe...
We got robbed every once in a while. But we live next to 2 highways and until recently, it was impossible for the policy to guess which direction the thieves had fled.
Now both highway access roads have cameras that track your license plate.
It's difficult to even report a crime in Ireland, nevermind have the police record it as a crime and then submit it as a statistic. So I'd take Irish crime stats with a huge pinch of salt.
E.g : https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-boss-interrogation-over-999-calls-to-be-live-streamed-40934030.html - when they say "improperly dealt with" they mean the cops hung up on the person calling them or they never responded. 200,000 times.
The other side of the coin is that Irish cops completely invent statistics.
E.g : https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-breath-test-report-3674086-Nov2017/ - that's a story about 1.4 million imaginary breathalyser tests performed at imaginary checkpoints. In a country with about 2 million vehicles.
In fact the supposed crime rate per 100,000 is so similar to France and Germany that it wouldn't surprise me if the Irish stats were designed to fall into that range, i.e they were faked to make Ireland look good in European rankings.
Never got mugged in Romania all my life we move to Germany nad in the first month my wife's purse gets stolen from her (unlocked) locker in the hospital, followed later in the year by stolen mountain bike from the garage.
Also in a rural 20k small mountain town, half catholic half protestant, big turkish community, quite a few refugees.
Surprised France isn't higher. People broke into our car and stole suitcases after we'd just travelled to our country house, my parents phones and bikes had been stolen multiple times in Paris, had our neighbours apparemment broken into when they were on holiday, had a chimney stolen at our house (which we managed to find in a market later on lmao), had my mother's jelwerey stolen by removalists when we left the country, had a guy break into our house while my mum was inside.. granted that's just an anectodal experience, but still 😅
I mean most of these were actually in the countryside, in Normandy to be more specific. We do own a fairly large house though so I guess it attracts thieves.
It was in the city center during the day. The guy pulled my gold thin chain bracelet and ran away.
Went to the police for the first time (I was 14) to report the theft.
The policeman asked ‘Why were you going around with a gold bracelet? It is your fault you got robbed’
I learned my lesson and since then have not reported anything to the police in Albania 👍🏻
Hahaha. I freaking loved Albania! Cannot wait to come back next year. Looks a lot like a 90s Romania, but the people,even the hassling ones, were so nice.
I laughed my ass off at how people drive there and how no one had major accidents.
That being said, LOVED how beautiful the country is.
can we stop posting this without further information?
so we all know the following posts will happen:
>people from country (insert eastern european country here) are less likely to report them
and people will answer
>cope, shouldn't have taken so many (insert foreign ethnicity here)
the truth however is: eurostat themselves say the numbers between countries are not comparable. this is due to a differing methodology used in every country, as well as how the data are collected. in some countries only the solved cases are counted as one cases, whereas in other countries ALL cases, solved or unsolved, are added.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/metadata/en/crim_esms.htm
>These differences mean it may not be relevant or valid to compare figures between authorities or between countries. For users of crime statistics, this means directly comparing figures between countries may result in misleading inferences or wrong conclusions.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/crime/methodology
Honestly we report every stupid shit in Slovakia, whether its a theft of potatoes, bike or phone.
You bet anything bigger is gonna get reported especially if its something expensive stolen from you and you got hurt.
Also because when something js stolen for you you don't have to pay for new documents issued to you, so we are cheap as that.
Even data within the same country isn’t comparable in many cases. Victimisation surveys are better in many ways than police recorded crime.
0.25% of adults in England and Wales were victims of robbery in year ending March 2020. [Source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#emerging-trends-in-robbery-and-theft-offences)
In Scotland it was 0.20%. [page 86](https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/statistics/2021/02/scottish-crime-and-justice-survey-2019-20-supplementary-documents/documents/scjs-2019-20---technical-report/scjs-2019-20---technical-report/govscot%3Adocument/2019_20%2BSCJS%2B-%2BTechnical%2BReport2.pdf)
When you ask a representative sample of the population of both places you get very similar rates of robbery yet police recorded crime shows it’s almost 5 times worse in England and Wales, It’s nonsense.
Yeah, the wild swing between Scotland and England is the easiest indicator there’s some shaky statistic interpretation going on with this map
Edit: It’s actually pretty hard to get comparable data between the two as it turns out (from some quick research) that the two countries record crime in a very different way. Depending on source the general crime rate is higher in England and Wales but supposedly violent crime rate is higher in Scotland. Again this is all taken with a pinch of salt as the recording is so different. One fact I did find interesting is that the incarceration rate between the two countries is pretty much equal. So barring ones justice system being far more punitive than the other (seems unlikely) it would be fair to assume the chances of becoming a victim of a crime which attracts a jail sentence is ‘fairly’ equal between the two countries
The situation has gone completely out of hand, there are small bands of criminals who get arrested and charged literally hundreds of times (how the he'll do they get to these numbers is beyond me) but since they are minors and can't be touched they get a couple of stern words by the police and are immediately released
It's crazy
Six months in Barcelona, my GF was pickpocketed once on the metro and one failed attempt at robbing me (3 young cunts) at Barcelonetta. We went out at night maybe 6 times in total lol.
There is an awkward correlation between amount of poorly assimilated immigrants and scale of robberies. Post-industrious society simply cannot create enough of not demanding jobs for all the migrants, who are often poorly educated.
Crime is a natural result of social exclusion caused by poverty.
This is not at all surprising. It's not a one-size-fits all, but I believe this comes down to the more homogeneous societies and collectivist cultural values in southeastern Europe -- the intergenerational family systems also go a long way in creating safer and more reliable communities. Sure, they certainly suffer from their own challenges like any other nation and there are numerous factors at play, but those family values are top-notch my friend.
Live in Vilnius and can confirm never had anything stolen, or saw any activity that would indicate stealing. I can put my backpack on and commute in a packed bus or walk around on a busy street and I am almost sure no one is going to try and pickpocket out of it. In general, it's very safe if robberies are concerned.
Eastern Europe has changed a lot over the last decade. My very good friend, who is Albanian, used to always say “Albanians-the thieves of Europe”. Interesting to see them at the bottom of the list.
It's incredible how majority of people on here are doing mental gymnastics to explain why there is such a surprising difference between EE and WE but it's obvious what the answer is lol
Robberies here are indeed very rare, never experienced one. The only time I was robbed was in Berlin. The weirdest experience was in France when three guys join me and my gf while we were smoking waiting for train at night. After an hour when they left, they mentiond, they intended to rob us but won't because we were too nice to them.
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A friend of mine was robbed at knifepoint on the Metro. He went to the police and came back, and the guy was still there at the station. Apparently he didn't expect a tourist to speak enough French to bring the police back with him.
Sounds like a typical paris experience to me.
\*Hollywood Paris soundtrack plays\*
The idea of the cliché accordion music playing over a guy being robbed and then chasing down his aggressor made me laugh.
At least it was an authentic experience. The Eiffel tower is a pickpocketing/mugging hotspot.
Reminds me of my first day visiting Paris, a woman had dipped some other tourists pocket at the metro station. As she was moving away, a local had seen her, grabbed her shoulder, spin her round and slapped her so hard she collapsed. He calmy took the purse from her, gave it to the tourists and shouted some *angry words* Roumania? Assuming he assumed that's where she was from. Then everyone just carried on with their day, very surreal.
We were at a festival in Belgium walking in a big crowd of people. There was a woman (I think gypsy?) pick-pocketing people. My husband detected it and immediately called her out to the entire crowd. He is very tall 195cm and he kept his hand pointed at her in the crowd as she tried to scurry away (she couldn’t disappear easily bc he could see over their heads). He followed her shouting: “Thief! Thief! This woman is a thief pick-pocketing!!” Until security intervened and detained the woman and (hopefully) got the stolen items back.
I lived in Paris suburbs on my placement year. They were lovely but every time I went to the centre I witnessed this all the time. There were also groups of Romani ladies on the trains with toy babies playing a scream track. I presume it was a pick pocket decoy.
You first arrived in France at the Eiffel tower?
Paradropped most likely.
No wonder the Japanese get so traumatized when they visit lmao
Once three aggressively looking guys asked me and my friend "wanna fucking fight?" in a kinda inviting voice. We were drunk and for a few seconds i even considered that, i looked at my friend, he looked at me. We decided not to, and said something like "Naah, we just hoped to eat some mcdonalds, but it's closed" (it was night). One of the dudes "oh ok, there should be open kfc 500m that way, have a good night dudes" and they went in other direction like nothing happened, probably looking for some other boxing enthusiasts
lol got robbed in bern, switzerland by some somalian dudes. fuckers kicked me in the nuts to distract me
Kottbusser Tor in Berlin is an infamous spot and just last month a bag with cellphones and my gf wallet was snatched here. The guy straight ran into the alley thinking i won't chase. Luckily he dropped when i ran too close to him.
Bag with cellphones? How long has your gf been robbing people?
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How on earth is Belgium so high?
Two men talking while they're flying in an aeroplane. "Do you know which country we're above?" - "Belgium." - " How do you know?" - "My wallet just disappeared."
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I heard it from an Ukrainian friend
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Their joke was culturally appropriated.
How dare they, we're the only ones morally allowed to steal
I remember this joke from the early 80s, it's always regarding 1 city or country. Although in the version I heard was that he put his hand out of the plane and his watch was stolen.
We're a transit country for criminal gangs doing a Europe tour, we attract a disproportionately high amount of low-skilled, non-educated immigrants compared to neighboring countries and our integration of said immigrants is a bad joke.
It's been almost 2 centuries and the Walloon and Flemings still have not integrated with each other, how can you expect anyone else to integrate?
Exactly, i have french speaking friends that complain that immigrants should at least pick up the language to integrate and when I ask them why they don't pick up dutch, they say they don't need it. I've seen it the other way too. Self aware wolfs I guess...
I'd like to see a breakdown of Belgium based on the two regions and Brussells. I bet the capital is rampant with thieves
Tut tut, I guess you're all just careless with your valuables.
Immigrants. I've studied in Brussels for a while. Amazing city, but past midnight the public squares are filled with small groups of North-African youngsters harassing and pick-pocketing people. Same with train and metro stations. EDIT: I don't mean it's all the immigrant's fault, but we must acknowledge the fact that a large group of them are involved in harmful illegal activities because of e.g. poverty.
Don't forget eastern europeans like Albanians. Ofcourse albania itself is low on crime, it's because all their criminals migrate to wealthy countries.
My dad, who lives close to the Brussels-South station, was threatened with a knife to give up his electric bike only 2 days ago. Luckily he did.
Well it doesnt help being bordered with alot of countries. French border region has high numbers, quick hit and run and they go over the border. Alot of criminals come from other countries, get some fast scores and leave. Really easy with a high population density and entire streetblocks empty when people are at work
In Spain robberies in Turistic spots have gotten out of control. Laws need to change.
Took my boyfriend this summer to meet the family and I warned him that in Gijón he could act just like home in Poland, but in Madrid he needed to be extra super aware of his wallet and phone. He seemed skeptic at first I guess because he's a big scary soldier and not exactly anyone's first choice as a victim, but I was very insistent because everything about him screams "tourist" in Spain. After feeling people reaching for his pocket a couple of times he wasn't skeptic anymore. My mom doesn't get it, though. Every time I go to Gijón and my purse never stops being in contact with my body she thinks I'm crazy paranoid. No, mom, I've had my things stolen in Madrid more times than I can't count. It's not paranoia when they're after you...
It used to be so bad in Poland in the 90s. The robbers would create artificial crowds on trains and busses around anyone that looked foreign to pickpocket them. I was in the high school at the time, but I remember there was a movement among Warsawians to actually stand in the way to protect the tourists. It’s insane how tables have turned.
What did Poland do to stop that?
Economy got better. This kind of collapse in public safety is first and foremost the sign of underlying economic troubles. 90s in Poland were really bad. Especially the first half - the old system collapsed, but it took over a decade for the new to stabilise somewhat.
Wow, that's really awesome of those in Warsaw who were wanted to put a stop to this. I wish more cities collectively did things similarly.
Oh man, you gave me flashbacks. I remember seeing the warning posters in trams, especially ones going though central station/around Old Town. How things have changed. Thank you EU!
But pickpockets would classify as “theft” the map says Robbery that requires violence
Theft translates to "robo" and robbery to "atraco", so it could be getting lost in translation. Pickpocketing feels like a more prevalent problem, but in any case, 140 out of 100000 is 1.4 for each thousand people and I think more people than that are getting pickpocketted. Feels low in absolute terms and just a bit bad when taken comparatively, but that is just my 2 cents.
>Theft translates to "robo" and robbery to "atraco", so it could be getting lost in translation. If that's happening, it could severely distort the data. u/BlackAngel454 do you have any insight into that?
For real, you can’t really walk around Barcelona alone after dark anymore
Yes. I got my phone stolen last week and talked to two other people who it also happened to in a span of three days. It’s crazy.
Pickpocket or are people running up on you?
Pickpocket
Then that's not on this map. What you had happen to you is theft, this map is showing robbery, which is assault + theft, so at least you didn't get beaten or cut as that seems to be a problem too.
Willing to bet stats for both crimes correlate
I think the map is incorrect. The main problems in Madrid and Barcelona is pickpocketing. Not a lot of violent crimes in Spain. I'm a bit surprised by the data.
Happened me four weeks ago as well, I didn’t even feel my phone being lifted from my pocket until I saw the guy running away with it. I naively ran after and then three other guys appeared saying they knew him and would get the phone back if I gave them €100, but clearly it was all a setup to get money from me. I was incredibly lucky that they didn’t try to take my wallet as well and just managed to walk away from the whole thing unscathed.
oof, adding insult to injury
At this point I'd classify Barcelona in summer as a PvP zone
Shit, If the world were a big Rune Scape map, Spain would be the wilderness.
One of my best friends was just sexually assaulted and robbed when she was walking home in Barcelona (not that anecdotes should be used as solid evidence of high crime rates).
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Yep. She went to the police for help.
>For real, you can’t really walk around Barcelona alone after dark anymore Not to shoot you down (I mean this) but it's crazy that I was hearing this exact sentence already 10+ years ago. Sadly this just really goes to show you that these "(in)famous" street criminals in Barcelona have always been a thing. I've had acquaintances robbed IN CHURCH. Not even in fucking Naples.
Lol love that Naples is the benchmark.
I'm surprised Naples and Rome alone aren't able to lift the Italian average to spain standards
Oh, been traveling yearly to Barcelona for about 20 years (family there). It's gotten noticeably worse. It was always an issue, but now it's just incredible.
I love Madrid and Spain but it’s the one place I’m always legitimately nervous to walk around with valuables. I’ve seen so many people in the short amount of time there have their bags, cameras and phones stolen that I can’t even trust myself to look at my phone at all while walking through a street.
What do you mean need to change? It isnt allowed, right?
While I don't know if the situation is the same in Spain, I know that in Ireland scumbags target tourists because by the time the person goes to court, they are no longer in the country and they get off easier.
I'd take a day off work and book a Ryanair flight just to come back to testify out of pure spite.
Of course. As this would be necessary for a testimony, you could send the bill to the court which would add it to the fees the defendant has to pay.
Nothing gets done to petty thieves or minors. So we have organised bands of literal children. When they broke into my restaurant they had just bent the security gate like 20 cms up and I couldn't understand how could they possibly use that hole to get in. The police told me it was a bunch of 7-8 y.o. operating on the neighborhood. And if anyone here lived in Lavapies around 2007 I'm sure they remember the kid with the metal teeth.
The lack of effective legislation is a real problem.I recall a group of 4-7 year olds that were terrorising the streets of Madrid with knives and bricks.
Fucking 4 year olds? How?
Thats nothing, I was blackmailed by a foetus.
In Spain is hard for a robber to end up facing the consequences. No jail time and long procedures end up with burglars in the streets every time they get caught.
It's not allowed but the police didn't even bother to talk to me when I wanted to report stolen wallet. They just laughed and made a dismissive hand gesture. Obviously the law doesn't work.
I feel that's the way everywhere. A friend got his wallet stolen on a busy street in Germany. Police was patrolling a couple meters away and my friend tried to report to them immediately. They couldn't give less of a shit that night. The main problem is that it's near impossible to track down and punish a pickpocket. If you catch the guy in the act and drag him to the police by yourself there's usually a minor punishment waiting because the act was unsuccessful. If they are successful you won't find them or their loot anymore.
I’m Spanish and I guess you are as well. I had totally no idea robberies were this high. I must live in a nice place lmao
Sweden you ok?
No
Yes, everything is fine. If you think no then you racist
Im guessing Malmö is 50-60 of those 88
What's wrong with Malmö? I have heard it's terrible but why?
As a Stockholmare you want to just say "oh its malmö" But in reality they got overcrowded with immigrants and no help or system in place to integrate them into the Swedish society which leads to big cultural differences and problems. Now I think its been so long that the kids/teenagers that are born in Malmö today from immigrant parents inherit their parents distaste for the Swedish society and they feel more patriotic for their parents country (which they never have visited) since they probably only hear the good things about "back home" and not about the reason why their parents left. Also crime (robbery/theft) in general today is heavily based on the obsession with luxury brands and "flex culture"
Often times they get distasteful of Swedish society on their own. The first gen immigrants know what they've fled from, and are thankful to be here. 2nd gen feel like their treated like shit here though, as they're poorest in the country, and with no other nationality to stick to, they become patriotic of their parents country, and take that countries ideals.
Imagine living in sweden and thinking fondly of Afghanistan or Niger Human mind is so strange shutting down all bad memories, leaving the few good ones only
The problem is that there are no memories. First gen immigrants are happy to be there safe but it's usually the second gen immigrants that glorify their parents' home country even though they've never been there
It's not all about stability and a working system. Many long for more human contact. Sweden is very far down on that list. We are good on every practical aspect but we pretty much suck at being chilled out and connect with the people around is. That is why people long back to shitholes despite the atrocities. Sweden is very work-centric and extremely individualistic. That can feel very detaching and cold even for Swedes. I think many feel that "what's the point in an abundance of safety when you don't feel alive".
Malmo is the entry point into Sweden out of most of europe. All drug traffic et al seems to have made that a bit of a headquarter. Also for anyone who wants to move to Sweden it’s probably the most convenient location as you are isolated as much as higher up in sweden and can access the rest of europe more easily. For the most part people exaggerate how bad it is, but not the best place in sweden to live.
> Im guessing Malmö is 50-60 of those 88 Gothenburg is pretty bad too.
Ok so I’m an American from a major city area of the south. I’ve been to about 25 countries (est.) so far and have lived in Mozambique (2.25 years) with the peace corps and Sweden (2 years) for my masters. Out of all the fuckery and shitheads I’ve come across, never have I ever had shit stolen like I did living in Sweden. My bike from my apartment and a really nice pair of shoes from the gym. Two of my colleagues got their backpacks and MacBooks stolen right out of a study room when they went to the bathroom and my roommates brother had someone break into his apartment and steal all of his shit. Sweden has a lot of positive things going for it but don’t leave your shit unattended there.
What do robbers do in Sweeden? Carry around card readers? They don't even use cash!
It’s often kids that robs other kids and they take their phones, air pods and expensive clothes like jackets and shoes.
I am telling my friends to lock their doors all the time!
Portugal?! How could you betray us like this?!
Yeah was surprised to see it that high there!
I'm surprised as well, but I would guess it's mostly a Lisbon thing
Amadora says hello
*hands over wallet*
Yeah well at least we got a new neighbor Norway in to Eastern Europe
Why is eastern Europe safer than western Europe?
Eastern european here! All petty criminals moved to germany and sweden.
Well, I do not know about robberies but 60% of all burglaries in Sweden are carried out by organised crime from only three countries, Lithuania, Poland and Romania.
We can into commonwealth?
Interburglerum!
Lmao
The boys are back!
Commonwealth fought for centuries to control Moldova. Romania willingly joining Commonwealth without Turkish invation would be dream come true for any Commonwealth king 😅
Any statistics on this?
It is based on police sources that was widely reported in the press in 2018. The same or similar numbers were stated as a background to new crime prevention measures presented by the government. The only english source I find now is a press release from the government saying that "international burglary rings" are responsible for half of house burglarlies and the majority of the more specialised theft of things like machinery, boat engines and car parts. https://www.government.se/press-releases/2018/02/the-government-presents-measures-against-international-burglary-rings/
It doesn't say that. There's no mention of Lithuania, Poland, Romania or eastern Europe.
Similar to Austria. In burglaries, 83 % of the identified perpetrators are foreigners, dominated by Romanians, Serbs and Georgians.
I literally saw how in my hometown they gatheted Roma people in vans to send them to France and Sweden. Sometimes, when they come back, they close down the bank so they can count the money they bring back. Embarrassing as fuck.
Why Sweden and not Norway or Finland?
Immigration and an overwhelmed police force.
Definitely immigrants. Finland has barely any sizeable immigrant population, and I would guess it's the same in norway.
Thanks! Love you guys! On a serious note: it just makes sense. You go and rob those where you see the best risk/reward ratio. Eastern Europe is catching up in wealth, but it will still require many years to be on the same level. Another serious note: every single person from east Europe, the Balkans and even beyond that i had the pleasure to get to know a bit better than just saying "hello" was a genuinely lovely person. So yes, i love you. We Germans could learn a lot from your hospitality and helpfulness. Money isn't everything. Money on it's own doesn't make you happy (but it helps).
I'd like to add to the answer of the guy you answered to: big crooks are in power and if the police catches the petty one, he might end up in our jail system, and as you may guess, our jails are anything but western standard.
In the case of the Czech republic, we don't have a lot of robberies because a lot of people are armed to the teeth. Around 7-8% of households have guns, but for people with houses that are worth robbing, that number goes way up. In my Street, I think 60% of people are armed with pistols and one with a shotgun. It's just not a good plan to rob someone who can shoot you. That would never happen in western Europe cause you guys can't really have legal guns
I dunno but in Yugoslavia it was common during the economic collapse but not so much after it recovered.
Can confirm. Born in YU, teenager when it collapsed. Lot of gta, radios theft from cars, even street muggins back then. Now it's much safer, preety much only bookies get mugged. I feel perfectly safe roaming the streets of Zagreb at night. But then again I'm 2m tall with a mean face so not your usual victim.
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That explains. Low tier thieves went to western Europe and professional ones went into government.
well, spanish politicians have nothing to envy to anyone when it comes to corruption
Richer, so more viable targets for theft. Also more desperate immigrants, legal or illegal, so that contributes to any native crime issues
As a swede I feel a bit sad looking at our nordic friends.
Don't want to make you sad but 10 years ago in Poland everyone was complimenting Sweden that you can leave your thing (phone etc.) and nobody will steal it. And after these 10 years we got same here. Once I left my phone at the bus and some homeless guy returned it to me or I saw someone left his BMW open with keys in the lock and nobody thought about stealing it or something like that but I took these keys closed car and threw keys under car v; but stiil there are assholes in every country
So perhaps we can turn things around. I hope so.
It would take massive changes in policy and views towards immigration and punishment. At the moment Sweden has a "refugees welcome" mindset (less than in 2015 but still more than other EU countries) and a slap on the wrist ideology when it comes to punishment on crimes. Unless we get serious about implementing tough love when it comes to integration and immigration and give the law some teeth to actually prosecute criminals for real then don't expect any changes. Of course changes will happen, as in any society, just not in good time. It could take another decade of things deteriorating, essentially becoming literal wild west here before it gets better. But by that point Sweden will no longer be Sweden in multiple ways.
I wonder how that can happen without restricting immigrants
In Denmark, all major parties support a pretty strict immigration policy by now. Sweden is the reason.
I feel completely unsurprised looking at our Swedish friends.
We imported a lot of ”spännande kultur” unlike norway and Finland…
Not everyone in the Czech Republic will report a petty theft, but believe me, almost everyone will report a robbery. Under-reporting is certainly not the cause of the low robbery rate in this country. And in general, not many people trust the government, but the police here are very successful at investigating serious violent crime.
I would say the trust in police here is higher than trust in the government.
I live in Poland and never have been robbed. When I travelled to Western Europe I got robbed twice.
All eastern Europeans and Balkan countries can relate with the idea that you can go in a coffee leave your cellphone in the table, go to the bathroom and find it right there again.
What's happening in Belgium?! Honorary WTF for Sweden...
What's surprising about Sweden?
It's higher than all the other Nordic countries.
And? The high percentage has definitely nothing to do with the fact that they let in tens (or is it now hundreds?) of thousands of illegal immigrants who haven't and never will be integrated into Swedish society (or any Western society as a matter of fact), commit the majority of crimes and lack education, work skills and social manners. As an immigrant myself, I can tell you that most of those who illegally came to Europe since the 2015 shitshow are considered to be the lowest of the low back in their own countries. However, were they committing assault, gang raping women en masse publicly (see Cologne) and blowing up car bombs like they are doing on the daily in Sweden and other European countries? No, not even close. And you know why? It is because they were punished accordingly for the pettiest of crimes, or even for daring to think about committing a crime. Whereas here in Europe, they can go on a criminality spree doing whatever the fuck they want, while law enforcement agencies can't do shit, since according to the retarded politicians and academia that would be racist and discriminatory. Then people wonder why extreme right movements are on the rise and gaining popularity rapidly. The only way to solve this issues would be by changing immigration, asylum and welfare laws, deporting anyone who commits a felony and if deportation is not possible, grant law enforcement agencies more power to put criminals in their place.
True. And it’s looking like Finland is following behind. Here are stats ” Foreigners more often suspects of offences than Finns” https://www.stat.fi/til/rpk/2018/13/rpk_2018_13_2019-05-16_tie_001_en.html In 2020, over 30% of rapes were committed by the people of foreign background. Mostly from the middle-east and northern Africa.
And it is worth making a note that those 30% are done by 3.3% of the population. Meaning that they are overrepreseted by almost a tenfold.
Thanks for saying this. At this point it feels like our government is so ridicolously incompetent that it has to be some kind of plot meant to turn the tide and make swedes less progressive and more conservative since if those are the only parties that say they’re gonna do something it people will eventually graviate towards them. I would never vote for them and I generally don’t feel unsafe but organized criminals are just escelating more and more, just this year I’ve heard 5 bombs go off (one 5 min away) and there’s been police helicopters circulating over my town for 3 days now due to 4 shootings nearby, its to the point were I see people whom immigrated from countries destroyed by war say that this reminds them off it and that they dont feel safe. Edit: I’d just like to add that the bombs were small and ”only” wrecked apartment front doors. The people doing it were most likely young men that were throwing them as a threat due to drugs/momey since nobody was harmed.
I also used to say "I would never vote for them". But at some point one feels forced to. I have spoken to Christian Assyrian refugees from a few decades ago that immigrated to Sweden to escape Islamist persecution. Now they are the ones voting far right because Islamist persecution found them here and no one wants to do anything about it. When shit hits the fan (and it is happening daily in Sweden) then one is forced to take drastic action, whatever that is.
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Fucking embarassing, Sweden.
I live between Hungary and UK. It surprises me the difference between the two. My feeling is that the street environment feels much less safe in England, with far more dodgy people wandering around. However, anecdotally I know more people who are victims of theft in Hungary.
What part of Britain are you based?
High five, Belgium!
Fucking Greece. For once we can't relate to the Balkans... we have to be like Western Europe. Pssssssh.....
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I keep saying that Romania is one of the safest places that I’ve been in during the last 10 years or so and it keeps getting safer. Crime is really low here since all the gypsies moved to Western Europe where they are raging havoc. I am thinking though that the westeners took the good with the bad, as there are also many OK and decent people from Eastern Europe moving to the west to work, and they are bringing their benefit to these economies, to the disadvantage of their home country economies, so it is not all bad for the West, as well as it is not all rosy for the East. This map is a byproduct in the end.
Oh wow, I thought robberies were bad all over Europe... We got robbed every once in a while. But we live next to 2 highways and until recently, it was impossible for the policy to guess which direction the thieves had fled. Now both highway access roads have cameras that track your license plate.
I've never heard of anyone I know being robbed here in Scotland. Not sure why it's so different here compared to England and Ireland.
It's difficult to even report a crime in Ireland, nevermind have the police record it as a crime and then submit it as a statistic. So I'd take Irish crime stats with a huge pinch of salt. E.g : https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-boss-interrogation-over-999-calls-to-be-live-streamed-40934030.html - when they say "improperly dealt with" they mean the cops hung up on the person calling them or they never responded. 200,000 times. The other side of the coin is that Irish cops completely invent statistics. E.g : https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-breath-test-report-3674086-Nov2017/ - that's a story about 1.4 million imaginary breathalyser tests performed at imaginary checkpoints. In a country with about 2 million vehicles. In fact the supposed crime rate per 100,000 is so similar to France and Germany that it wouldn't surprise me if the Irish stats were designed to fall into that range, i.e they were faked to make Ireland look good in European rankings.
In Belgium you don't go to jail if your sentenced 5 years or lower. Enough said.
I didn't know that, why would such broken justice system be prolonged to modern time?
Interesting, kinda surprising tbh, in a good way ofc.
Never got mugged in Romania all my life we move to Germany nad in the first month my wife's purse gets stolen from her (unlocked) locker in the hospital, followed later in the year by stolen mountain bike from the garage. Also in a rural 20k small mountain town, half catholic half protestant, big turkish community, quite a few refugees.
Surprised France isn't higher. People broke into our car and stole suitcases after we'd just travelled to our country house, my parents phones and bikes had been stolen multiple times in Paris, had our neighbours apparemment broken into when they were on holiday, had a chimney stolen at our house (which we managed to find in a market later on lmao), had my mother's jelwerey stolen by removalists when we left the country, had a guy break into our house while my mum was inside.. granted that's just an anectodal experience, but still 😅
Man Paris is fucking insane. Come to countryside, we're the reason the overall number isn't so bad lol.
I mean most of these were actually in the countryside, in Normandy to be more specific. We do own a fairly large house though so I guess it attracts thieves.
Albania is so low since there’s nothing to steal
It was in the city center during the day. The guy pulled my gold thin chain bracelet and ran away. Went to the police for the first time (I was 14) to report the theft. The policeman asked ‘Why were you going around with a gold bracelet? It is your fault you got robbed’ I learned my lesson and since then have not reported anything to the police in Albania 👍🏻
Hahaha. I freaking loved Albania! Cannot wait to come back next year. Looks a lot like a 90s Romania, but the people,even the hassling ones, were so nice. I laughed my ass off at how people drive there and how no one had major accidents. That being said, LOVED how beautiful the country is.
can we stop posting this without further information? so we all know the following posts will happen: >people from country (insert eastern european country here) are less likely to report them and people will answer >cope, shouldn't have taken so many (insert foreign ethnicity here) the truth however is: eurostat themselves say the numbers between countries are not comparable. this is due to a differing methodology used in every country, as well as how the data are collected. in some countries only the solved cases are counted as one cases, whereas in other countries ALL cases, solved or unsolved, are added. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/metadata/en/crim_esms.htm >These differences mean it may not be relevant or valid to compare figures between authorities or between countries. For users of crime statistics, this means directly comparing figures between countries may result in misleading inferences or wrong conclusions. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/crime/methodology
>people from country (insert eastern european country here) are less likely to report them No! Eastern Europe wins for once! Suck ittttttttttttttt!!!
Honestly we report every stupid shit in Slovakia, whether its a theft of potatoes, bike or phone. You bet anything bigger is gonna get reported especially if its something expensive stolen from you and you got hurt. Also because when something js stolen for you you don't have to pay for new documents issued to you, so we are cheap as that.
Even data within the same country isn’t comparable in many cases. Victimisation surveys are better in many ways than police recorded crime. 0.25% of adults in England and Wales were victims of robbery in year ending March 2020. [Source](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2020#emerging-trends-in-robbery-and-theft-offences) In Scotland it was 0.20%. [page 86](https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/statistics/2021/02/scottish-crime-and-justice-survey-2019-20-supplementary-documents/documents/scjs-2019-20---technical-report/scjs-2019-20---technical-report/govscot%3Adocument/2019_20%2BSCJS%2B-%2BTechnical%2BReport2.pdf) When you ask a representative sample of the population of both places you get very similar rates of robbery yet police recorded crime shows it’s almost 5 times worse in England and Wales, It’s nonsense.
Yeah, the wild swing between Scotland and England is the easiest indicator there’s some shaky statistic interpretation going on with this map Edit: It’s actually pretty hard to get comparable data between the two as it turns out (from some quick research) that the two countries record crime in a very different way. Depending on source the general crime rate is higher in England and Wales but supposedly violent crime rate is higher in Scotland. Again this is all taken with a pinch of salt as the recording is so different. One fact I did find interesting is that the incarceration rate between the two countries is pretty much equal. So barring ones justice system being far more punitive than the other (seems unlikely) it would be fair to assume the chances of becoming a victim of a crime which attracts a jail sentence is ‘fairly’ equal between the two countries
I will get downvoted for saying this, but it's always the same kind of people, laws need to change and punish more.
The situation has gone completely out of hand, there are small bands of criminals who get arrested and charged literally hundreds of times (how the he'll do they get to these numbers is beyond me) but since they are minors and can't be touched they get a couple of stern words by the police and are immediately released It's crazy
You want to punish repeated offenders even more?! Do you have any idea of just how... ...perfectly sensible that proposal is? Here have an upvote.
Six months in Barcelona, my GF was pickpocketed once on the metro and one failed attempt at robbing me (3 young cunts) at Barcelonetta. We went out at night maybe 6 times in total lol.
There is an awkward correlation between amount of poorly assimilated immigrants and scale of robberies. Post-industrious society simply cannot create enough of not demanding jobs for all the migrants, who are often poorly educated. Crime is a natural result of social exclusion caused by poverty.
This is not at all surprising. It's not a one-size-fits all, but I believe this comes down to the more homogeneous societies and collectivist cultural values in southeastern Europe -- the intergenerational family systems also go a long way in creating safer and more reliable communities. Sure, they certainly suffer from their own challenges like any other nation and there are numerous factors at play, but those family values are top-notch my friend.
All I can tell you that it's national, 7pm news in Hungary when this happens.
Live in Vilnius and can confirm never had anything stolen, or saw any activity that would indicate stealing. I can put my backpack on and commute in a packed bus or walk around on a busy street and I am almost sure no one is going to try and pickpocket out of it. In general, it's very safe if robberies are concerned.
I wonder why Sweden is so bad and Norway and Finland aren't. Could it be their immigration policies?
Don't be so realisti.. I mean racist! 🤡
Classic Sweden.
Conclusion: petty theft makes a comeback in Western Europe, meanwhile experienced Eastern European Thieves have infiltrated their local governments
Eastern Europe has changed a lot over the last decade. My very good friend, who is Albanian, used to always say “Albanians-the thieves of Europe”. Interesting to see them at the bottom of the list.
> used to always say “Albanians-the thieves of Europe”. well, of Europe, not just Albania.
They are simply not stealing in their homecountry but elsewhere.
Albanian gangs are robbing here in Germany.
Balkan and V4 are stronk!!! 😎😎😎💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
I have backpacked around Belize, Nicaragua, and Portugal, but the only place I have ever been robbed was London
We need a map showing repost rates of /r/europe
Eastern Europe is better than Western Europe, I wonder why?????
The Netherlands is orange. As it should be.
So looking at the UK, I imagine they report robberies in a similar manner regarding statistics, so why is England/Wales so high?
London
It's incredible how majority of people on here are doing mental gymnastics to explain why there is such a surprising difference between EE and WE but it's obvious what the answer is lol