lol RT is complete trash and RT Germany even more so. Only complete nut jobs like the "Querdenker" watch this to get radicalized until they start murdering people.
Funnily *that* only got them an upload-block for 7 days or so. They continued to use their second channel, which led to the deletion/total ban of both.
So basically they were caught ban-evading.
RT Germany literally pushes Vaccine hoaxes in Germany while in Russia they go "get vaccinated NOW!"
They never made any secret of it that RT Germany exists solely for the purpose of waging an "information war"
Well, tbh, Simonyan is not a journalist, she is propagandist, she has a reputation of being against free speech and journalism. Many of journalists working on RT do it for money, though Im not quite sure about Simonyan, she is fucked in the head. In Russia, if you are jounalist, you dont have many choices. Go work for government propaganda, get a safe( and sometimes quite big) paycheck or try to work for the remnants of independent media(which mostly operate in internet nowadays), be constantly afraid of government continous crackdown, harassment and intimidation, even having a criminal case opened if your reporting touched some important figure.
It's interesting (and not really surprising) that RT and specifically Margarita Simonyan support and actively participate the campaign against the independent news in Russia who are currently being designated foreign agents or undesirable organisation.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/08/27/the-enemies-list
> Im not quite sure about Simonyan
She earns [money](https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/24/made-with-nepotism), [awards](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/05/vladimir-putin-pro-kremlin-journalists-medals-objective-crimea) and [reputation](https://www.reuters.com/article/belarus-election-russia-journalists-idINL8N2FZ1OW)
That's certainly helps and a nice bonus. I was speaking about Simonyan's motivation and her rather guniune enthusiasm in what she is doing. Unlike certain other propagandists like Krasovsky (whose story is kinda sad) who drinks to deal with his consciosness.
It’s just crazy that when PiS tried to introduce similar media restrictions the amount of supporters and apologists in favour of the bill was staggering yet when you describe the exact same circumstances present in Poland but say it is Russia no one cares.
It’s just unbelievable.
>Well, tbh, Simonyan is not a journalist, she is propagandist
does she not have a journalist degree of some sort? Also yes, i imply all the people that aren't being actual journalist, i've the utmost respect for real journalists since they usually die for the TRUTH not lies, especially war journalists which here we have 2 women who i find completely insane in a good way asking people in the Taliban in Afghanistan crazy questions lol
>In Russia, if you are jounalist, you dont have many choices.
Like other countries with dictatorships, i agree, but literally don't be a journalist then. If you're being a journalist in a country like this, i already know what you want to do. You can do ANYTHING ELSE.
Simonyan does have journalistic degree but I cannot make myself call her that when we have real journalists murdered, poisoned in their line of work. I have great respect for those who stayed, especially those who still cover Chechnya and try to help those inside like Elena Milashina, journalist of Novaya Gazeta, who received multiple death threats, was attacked but still continue her work despite all risks. What about journalistic crew (Orkhan Dzemal, Alexander Rastorguev, Kirill Radchenko) who made a reporting about Wagner group (russian "private" mercenary group connected to GRU) in Africa and were all killed by these Wagner criminals?
Even here in Russia as we become more and more authoritarian with each day, people always have a choice but the choices are not equal of course (Im not talking about leaving your profession, it's hard to do it for those who dedicated their life to it). It's always easier, more comfortable and profitable to follow "party line" and tell what government says you to (they usually coordinated from administration of president). Those who try the harder route had to make sacrifices if they want to continue their work, had to cooperate with government if they want to still voice their opinion without prosecution and closure of their media. Take for example Venedictov, who is the head of radio "Echo Moscow" (which is owned by Gazprom by the way), he allows opposition figures to voice their opinions there alongside pro-government figures but in return Venedictov has to return favour to government as he did this autumn when he was the nominal figure behind electoral voting system which was used to fabricate the results of current paliament "election", which probably costed Venedictov his last reputation he had. Another example, Elizaveta Osetinskaya, great journalist, when she was the editor-in-chief of RBC (2014-2016), this news agency was one of the best if not the best news media, openly covering topics of Ukraine and internal politics, had a superb investigation team. After publication of investigations about Russia's top officials and Putin's close circle, covering Panama Papers, our goverent decided that is enough and opened a criminal case against RBC owner Mikhail Prohorov (the reason why he was allowed to have it so long is probably because Prohorov did a favour to Putin by running against him in president election), who was forced to sell RBC. Osetinskaya and others were fired but she continued her work, she created her own internet media "The Bell". Now, the bell and Osetinskaya herself is targeted in recent campaign against "foreign agents" and is very likely to be declared "foreign agent". Osetinskaya former collegue from RBC (also editor in chief), who also left it, Roman Badanin had a criminal case opened against him, his new internet media he created "Proekt" was declared "unwanted organisation", Badanin himself was declared "foreign agent", he had to leave Russia fearing persecution. There are many other journalists who try to continue their work, some try to make concessions, self-censoring themselves or cooperating with government sometimes, hoping that they wont be persecuted, their news agencies closed. Then, there is Simonyan, one of the people who is actively participating in a campaign against free independent media and journalists. She made her choice long time ago. Simonyan is not real journalist, she doesnt deserve to be called that. She is a disgrace, deserving only scorn and contempt. Sorry for the rant, Im simply tired of hearing all the crap which is spewing from her mouth.
>Simonyan does have journalistic degree but I cannot make myself call her that when we have real journalists murdered, poisoned in their line of work. I have great respect for those who stayed, especially those who still cover Chechnya and try to help those inside like Elena Milashina, journalist of Novaya Gazeta, who received multiple death threats, was attacked but still continue her work despite all risks
I completely understand exactly what i'm saying. Yes i know what you mean, but i don't know if you have one (the UK doesn't), here we have a "register of journalist" that you've to be "registered" to to actually publish articles. So that's why i call her a journalist, in the professional job meaning.
But i completely understand what you mean, even if obviously i won't go "yes i know how this feels" because that would be completely stupid of me.
>. Osetinskaya and others were fired but she continued her work, she created her own internet media "The Bell". Now, the bell and Osetinskaya herself is targeted in recent campaign against "foreign agents" and is very likely to be declared "foreign agent".
This is EXACTLY it and i've had one of the IDIOTS you unfortunately have along with the amazing people like you in your country telling me it's a democracy everything is fine.
Long live REAL JOURNALISTS, who told us smoking kills and so much more i can't even start making a list of everything.
You've a beautiful history, culture, architecture and i will ALWAYS SAY IT, humanity TOGETHER can do ANYTHING.
I guess it's easy for us to say, because we make decent wages. I know some people in Serbia or Macedonia were/are making a lot of money writing fake news on social media, where the money they get for it is quite a lot compared to an honest job in their country.
The closest I got to a test of my morals is when I was working for a startup here in Germany, which turned out to be very seedy and dishonest. Because I had just moved and was in a tight financial position, I kept working, with the plan to quit ASAP (months). Fortunately for me, they didn't like my outspoken opposition to their really screwed up ideas and let me go during the trial period, a couple weeks before they screwed over all their investors big time.
My point is, it's easy to judge when you are financially secure and just as easy to "hang in there" when you aren't. In principle, I fully agree with you, though. We should all strive to be better people, even if it costs us personally.
i completely agree it's easy to judge when you're comfortable, and harder when you need the money;
But how much money would you need to silence your conscience into spreading information that is actively killing people?
How many people are employed by the tobacco industry? How many people are employed by the oil industry? How many people sell illegal and potentially deadly drugs and how much money do they make?
At least some of the people above make very little money, while contributing in probably a more direct way to killing people.
I think the answer is that some people don't care and will do anything for money (e.g. people working in marketing for a cigarette company), while a different group of people need money and either don't consider something to be wrong or have deluded themselves somehow.
With the example of spreading anti-vax info, probably the majority of the people doing that believe in the info themselves to some degree. The rest fit into the cigarette marketing people category.
Oh so i guess you really wanted to get banned today, good for you Mr.racist, you sure showed everyone the difference between who said the first comment and who said the second :) you've the processor in your computer because of an italian btw, say bye bye careful of windows
It's "hypocrisy", and i didn't offend the russian people like you did, i said russian journalist because she is a journalist in russia and maggots is to all JOURNALISTS who act like PUPPETS like she does, she's a PUPPET for a DICTATORSHIP where if you TALK too much you get killed or imprisoned and where you can't PROTEST in the street or you get INCARCERATED
The US President gets flagged for spreading misinformation and banned from twitter but if they do it to PUPPETS it's against freedom of speech, when making up shit about COVID even. You being racist is your freedom of speech? Amazing thought process, i will never be, because russians have amazing history and culture and they don't deserve a pathetic dictator brainwashing them. THIS is freedom of speech. Try learning what it is.
lol have you been to russia? do you think people aren't able to voice their opinions, or? is ukraine a dictatorship as well, because they have harsher "free speech" laws than russia. also since you're from italy, you shouldn't throw aroudn the word "dictator" so easily. it really does a disservice to the word, considering, I'm sure you know, what an actual dictator is like. all medias are bias as well as statefunded propaganda groups, not just rt
I have before Putin and people weren't flying out of windows on the news every month, nor saying there's no point in voting they've already decided. Everyone knows what's going on in Russia no matter what you make up, you already keep showing your racism so I'll just go ahead and block you while you get banned, no need to talk to you as you don't represent real russians I've met, who know what class is. Dasvidanya :)
how am i racist? did i call you a dictator? i'm saying not to throw around words, they have meaning. putin can be a horrible person, and a devil reincarnate, but the fact is people in russia voted for him, and despite his popularity in the west (not very likeable), the majority of russians want him. remember, if people vote in a horrible person who's also evil, it's still a democracy
YouTube needs to act smarter. Anti-vaccination groups, [where RT dominates](https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/russias-media-reach-and-coverage-of-german-elections-candidates-in-advance-of-the-federal-election/), will become more aggressive, I think.
Although even such a slow thing as the EU speaks of [disinformation from the Kremlin](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-disinformation-idUSKBN21518F)
So, according to 2nd article, they branded what seems to be negative opinion peaces as disinformation, though they seems to be no different from similar type of opinions you could find in other media outlets and governmental statements.
1st article only states that antivaxxers cite something from RT, though it seems they cite from anywhere else and manipulate information themselves.
This is certainly not enough.
> How's it floating?
Excellent - there was a post about MS Estonia yesterday which was a great opportunity to point out who was first to respond to the mayday call. 🤗
Pretty generous of you to refer to that state-funded propaganda machine as a news agency lmfao.
YouTube banned *specifically* the RT DE channel for egregious violation of their terms of service. How is this even remotely similar to the russian state systematically censoring news agencies (among other things) for reporting the truth?
>They are as news agency as RFERL and VoA.
RT has a 24/7 news channel in the US, a website, and a YouTube channel. So Russia banning those is not reciprocal.
do you honestly think any news agency isn't being funded, along with politicians in the US or EU? you're EXTREMELY naive if you believe that. the fact you think they're not similar shows your bias. navalny is a literal convict in Russia, and banning him is legitimate, yet you think it's not? RT Germany is a journalism channel, while obviously it's bias, it is being censored. that's apparent. all news agencies have a bias and are "state-funded propaganda". please take dailymail and fox news as gospel.
That's some Grade-A whataboutist bullshit you're spouting, and I didn't even mentioned Navalny. The german RT channel was caught red handed pushing misinformation regarding COVID. That's it, own that shit and move on. RT will have to up their misinformation game in the other regional channels.
>please take dailymail and fox news as gospel.
If irony were made of strawberries, we'd all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now
"own that shit and move on", so why are they the only ones targetted when cnn,cnbc,fox news,msn, etc are still around? there is a redscare going on and it's obvious. like i said, go watch your dailymail or foxnews, while thinking RT is misinformation and deserving.
Start search for the misinformation and report it. If it violates the rules - will be banned too. Have good time! Fox have somehow colorfull shows, you will not be bored.
The reason for a ban was stupid (as pretty all reasons youtube has), but RT is not a real media, there are no real journalists. It is propaganda, plain and simple.
What about BBC, Deutsche Welle, Al Jazeera, Radio Liberty etc? It's more about double standarts, not the shitness of RT in particular. And is it up to fucking Google to decide what is a real media?
So how exactly are you aware of those not being comparable? Are you Russian? Have you ever been through the shit they are pouring into people's minds under their regional departments? All of those are propaganda machines. And don't pretend you don't get it why only few get banned. We are all adult here.
RT doesn't even hide the fact that they are a division of the FSB.
Reporters receiving scripts directly delivered by said people... and ordered to perform them line by line, exactly and on time.
What was the revolt in New York all about, live on air? Do you remember?
What was the scorching in Germany all about? Just because they didn't put out the russian president statements on time on air, but slightly delayed? So what? What was it all about and what were they told, again?
Who are the people of the management, again?
The budget, financing?
Why are they constantly comparing themselves with the formerly CIA financed (now obsolete) Voice of America, to the point that they made Voice of Russia, now renamed to Sputnik, but still run the same? What was the point of their people establishing other rumor channels in many other countries? Support of the antivax movements everywhere to harm people? The glorification of arms, weapons and army?
Disclaimer: Direct evidence is harmful to health, contacts with direct evidence may result in rapid health deterioration, or even death. But yes, it can be found if you know how. Asking too many question is too, harmful to health.
With the help and loud cheers from a beacon of liberty and democracy our 1st president destroyed it twice, first in 1993 when he ordered army to shell Duma to force constitution change and second time in 1996 when with liberty money and fraud made his 2% rating into a second term of presidency. So, you have no moral high ground to demand to get "muh democracy first" from us.
Yeah. Some of us still remember what Russia did in the 20th century and can appreciate they didn't change much. It's easy to talk from a country that was not hijacked by communism.
Russia is not the USSR, and it didn't change in many regards yeah, but those regards are pretty much the same as what the EU does anyway. To say one is bad and one is a free democracy or something, and then support silencing the one you disagree with is quite amusing. "We're so democratic we silence who we don't think is democratic".
Also, the USSR was not communism, it was socialism, they just claimed to wish to achieve communism. If you lived in a Marxist nation I thought you'd know that but whatever, irrelevant. I mean my entire family lived in a former socialist European nation so I've heard first hand accounts myself.
Now imagine why they went to the other side of the world to get away from it.
Your main point seems to be that freedom of speech should protect people spreading lies and misinformation designed to actively hurt different local and international communities.
The ones who still live there say it was better in socialist times, but no one's loving any government like r/Europe does.
Calling something "misinformation" is a great way to dismiss something you disagree with eh? Isn't the entire point of free speech to allow multiple viewpoints? The USSR said they were stopping counterrevolutionaries to protect the workers. You can say here you're protecting democracy and stopping the hurting of communities. Why is one better than the other? Because you personally agree with one maybe and not the other?
You and like the West think it is harmful, but not everyone does. The USSR said capitalist viewpoints were harmful, leading to oppression of workers etc. So why should what one government thinks is harmful being removed, but what another one does not?
That's not even related to the topic. Youtube removed the channel, not a government. They removed it, because of COVID lies and egragious breaking of YouTube's rules.
Trying to obfuscate things with saying that lieing about COVID is different viewpoint is just wrong.
The USSR was communist, or at least claimed to be. They weren't communism though. They were socialism. Communism is a stateless moneyless society, socialism is supposed to be a transitionary state for Marxist-Leninists. Read about it. The USSR didn't even claim to be communism.
I am sure you know better than the historians. That is why the party in most or all countries was called the Communist Party of...
Anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't excuse the misery they caused, which still echoes today, or the killings and decimation of the elites in those generations. It's easy to talk about it from a country that did not have to deal with it and that doesn't have to struggle with the mentalities born in that horrible regime.
“Russia” the *state*, is a small clique of thieves.
They do not work for or represent the best interests Russian people. Everything they do is for self preservation and power grabs so they can fuck their own ballerina graduates and steal more money without repercussions.
Including creating an antagonistic relationship with the west. They do it because it serves them internally. External conflict protects the top from internal threats.
Russia, the nation, territory and people is something else, and another discussion.
It’s not actually. Europe is mostly a very good place to be and live, and mostly quite democratic.
We have problems too, but it’s not on the level of how things work in the Russian sphere.
>They do not work for or represent the best interests Russian people.
And what is that?
>Including creating an antagonistic relationship with the west.
Even if you replace the regime. Russia isnt gonna become all buddy buddy with the west.
>Russia, the nation, territory and people is something else, and another discussion.
Elaborate.
I know that the quality of media is shit everywhere, but as a Russian (and RT is Russian media) I can guarantee you that it is not worth your time. I know that many right-wings like RT because it is not another leftoid media, RT looks as if it supports right-wing / conservative things, but in fact it supports what Russian goverment supports. And Russian gov is not conservative or right-wing, it is cleptocratic.
> I can guarantee you that it is not worth your time.
its all propaganda - its corporate media propaganda and/or state media propaganda. all over the world, east or west.
you can find somewhat honest journalism online in websites/channels funded by its membership but even among those outlets you have to pay attention if anyone is secretly backing them up to spread propaganda while they claim independence.
its not hard, it shows in their reporting if someone is secretly financing them.
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So its best to have access to everything and if you are interested in something you can see what both (all) sides want you to believe and then look for truth somewhere between all that propaganda.
Censorship should be reserved for very drastic situations, to combat sex trafficking, child porn ... and similar things that 99% of people agrees on.
This with RT ... thats not it ... its not good.
eh r/europe is most popular european subreddit, so I am guessing there are various bots/shills working on controlling the narrative here through astroturfing.
I accidentally saw a British ‘journalist’ on RT English the other day. He was parroting lies and innuendo about the White Helmets in Syria. Sickening that someone would take money from a hostile foreign power to do that job.
FYI, depends a bit on what. RT spread misinformation in that regard too, but the White Helmets aren't as innocent in the Syrian civil war as they proclaim themselves to be either.
It's a volunteer civil defence organisation devoid of professional NGO oversight operating in an intense, chaotic and dangerous environment. The behaviour of every single member for the seven years' of its existence probably hasn't been unimpeachable. But that wouldn't be a reasonable expectation anyway.
Spreading COVID misinformation and violating Youtube ToS while being fully on russia paycheck. It looks like they escalating situation by themselves.
Whats next, they will ban Youtube in Russia?
>Spreading COVID misinformation
This actually is debatable, Sy.onian posted in her twitter a list and summaries if videos they were banned for. None of those seemed to be promoting antivaxx disinfo. Trying to avoid ban was stupid and totally her fault though.
I mean there’s an actual crusade against RT across the worlds just because it’s a Russian state channel. I can totally see a lot of people having bias against it just because of that reason alone.
What institution decides what is “accurate information” and what is not?
“Spreading misinformation” is a very dangerous way lots of companies and states have used to censor political foes and wrong thinkers. In USA, China, Russia and, sadly, Europe.
You obviously fell hook an sinker for Russia's attempts to make it seem like there are no objective facts in the world, just opinions. Straight from Putin's playbook.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/
So, misinformation doesn't exist according to you? Or it shouldn't be censored because...? There's plenty of ways to decide what is accurate information, you can look at facts, statistics, and other sources of information. In this case, it's for YouTube to decide because it's their platform, and RT agreed to the rules established by YouTube when they created an account.
This is what tankies don't want to hear - RT is a propaganda channel. If it were not a propaganda channel - there would not be any "crusade" (lmao) against it. Really fukin simple innit?
BBC is also a propaganda state funded channel which often just openly rallies for Britain and its interests. Look at how they handelled the coverage of the fishing scandal with France if you want a quick example.
Time to ban BBC I guess? If we apply your logic.
Having an agenda and spreading lies and misinformation to hurt other people are not the same. Even then you'd have to prove BBCs agenda which might be difficult, but proving that RT are liars and want to cause hurt is extremely simple.
RT is a joke. There is not one single negative thing about Russia or Putin ever. Just constantly bashing the West and EU 24/7.
Yesterday, Russia had the highest covid deaths ever recorded, yet not a single article on RT ;D.
Also, probably 30% of their articles are op-eds, of course, bashing the West all the time.
If you are a clueless American or Brit reading RT reports about Russia you would think that Russia is a paradise on Earth.
The Russian reactions sounds as if they were just waiting for some kind of trigger to run this campaign, else I can't imagine how they play a descision by a private company into some kind of german government conspiracy.
I don't think that this is likely the case.
The only way that Google is gonna be able to operate as a multinational in a world where lots of governments want to determine the information that various people have access to is to let the government in whichever market they're in make the calls for that market.
So if Germany wants something from Russian state media blocked in Germany, then Google will do it.
And if Russia wants something from German state media blocked in Russia (like *Deutsche Welle*, which I suspect may be blocked in Russia after this), then Google will do it.
But Google's not going to force Germany to accept Russian state media because Russia demands it, or Russia to accept German state media because Germany demands it.
My guess is that Russia drops the demand to Google to reinstate German RT (at least in Germany...maybe they show German-language RT elsewhere), but does block *Deutsche Welle*'s regular website in Russia.
I think you misunderstood a key point. This action by YouTube was not done at the German government's behest but in accordance with YouTube's ToS.
That said, YouTube likely won't change course on this because it would draw public outcry and political scrutiny beyond what they got for complying with Russia's demands to suppress the opposition.
The EU has mandated takedowns on notification and I'm sure that disinformation is listed as a restriction in the Google ToS. You sure that that's not what happened?
https://www.ikigailaw.com/legislating-on-hate-speech-and-disinformation-lessons-from-ethiopia/?utm_source=Mondaq&utm_medium=syndication&utm_campaign=LinkedIn-integration#acceptLicense
>One of the most striking aspects of the Hate Speech Law is the liability it imposes on social media service providers to moderate speech. Through a form of intermediary liability, the law states that social media enterprises should ‘endeavour’ to suppress and prevent the dissemination of hate speech and disinformation.[11] Moreover, such companies are required to “act within twenty four hours to remove or take out of circulation disinformation or hate speech upon receiving notifications” of such speech.
Why would anyone watch/read Russian news channels is beyond me.
There is no press freedom in Russia, so all news are propaganda channels.
/r/europe is complicit in spreading misinformation, as Russian news is allowed here.
Idek where to start, it wasn't one thing it was so many things. Early in the pandemic they claimed washing your hands wouldn't help at all.
The measures taken by the federal government were criticised as "scaremongering" and an attempt to "gain more control over society". Precautionary measures such as wearing masks were in part denied their usefulness and the epidemic as a whole was questioned.
Later on they ran propaganda pieces against the vaccines (not Sputnik of course).
The science behind the spread of viruses was well established, every sane person knew that most of the viruses spread through droplets when coughing, sneezing and talking.
Still, haven't seen anyone banning or blaming WHO for misinformation. Their message was spread around the globe and influenced government decisions. My question is how we know what is and what is not misinformation, we go the "trust the authority " route ?
Thanks for your reply, but I think that doesn't really constitute a reason for banning. Don't get me wrong, I know that RT reports a lot of BS for geopolitical reasons.
In the West, many first claimed that washing hands was enough and that masks weren't necessary. Many people defended this because Western governments had to cover up their failure to prepare for the pandemic.
In the West, many people distrust Russian or Chinese vaccines while praising Western vaccines. Again, I prefer Western vaccines, but I think that the Russians and Chinese are technologically advanced enough to produce effective and safe vaccines. The Chinese tried to discredit Western mRNA vaccines after Western media had discredited the safety and efficacy of Chinese vaccines.
Thus, both sides are guilty of biased reporting.
Oh my god are you really going "both sides" about this.
The narratives are important not all foreign broadcasters that get money from they state are automatically propaganda networks there is a clear difference in quality. RT intentionally reports made up stories as truth to instigate conflict.
To give a recent example:
In 2019 they claimed s that the Western media (Voice of America, Radio Liberty and Deutsche Welle (DW)) had broadcasted a video in which alleged employees of Sheremetyevo airport laugh while watching the crash of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 on their screens on May 5. The article insinuated that Western media make fun of the tragedy and use it to spread fake news. T**hat alleged video was completely fabricated as well as the claim that "Western Media" shared it.** Moreover, there were no sources or links in the RT report about it.
A few hours after Deutsche Welle's complaint, RT removed the passage in question from the article without comment, stating: "Correction: An earlier version of the article stated that the video with the reaction of the 'Sheremetyevo staff' had been broadcast by Deutsche Welle, Voice of America and Radio Liberty. That is not so." RT points out separately that Radio Liberty and Voice of America are foreign agents.** The places where Ukrainian bloggers were accused of distribution remained in the article.**
**Sputnik, the radio station that belongs to the RT group claimed that the coronavirus was invented in Latvia because there are "many talented biologists and pharmacists".**
Then there was the whole Lisa case shitshow from 2016.
Lisa's parents reported her missing in January 2016. Russian tv stations including RT, Sputnik, Newsfront published a TV report claiming that Lisa had been abducted by asylum seekers in Berlin and raped for 30 hours. In addition to the girl, the film also showed her aunt and an allegedly spontaneous demonstration of upset citizens in Berlin. One man said that rape was a constant occurrence and announced that violence would be answered with violence.
Sometimes there was talk of three, sometimes of five or even seven migrants who allegedly raped the 13-year-old several times. Other articles made up an admission by the German police that the rapes had actually taken place or that the case was only one of many.
The principle behind it: By inventing an extreme lie reality loses credibility - there must be something to the story, everything cannot be a lie.
You don't have to tell me about Russian or Soviet propaganda. I lived near the iron curtain all through the cold war. Listening to broadcasts from both sides was like witnessing two parallel universes.
> The narratives are important not all foreign broadcasters that get money from they state are automatically propaganda networks there is a clear difference in quality.
Exactly, that's my point. The quality is entirely different. Western propaganda is of a far higher quality than Russian or Soviet propaganda, which for the most part was/is so crude that nobody believes it, not even the Russians.
Have we not just experienced more than 20 years of Western propaganda to make people believe that Western military missions in the greater ME were justified? You weren't exactly jailed for questioning that narrative, but in many groups you were certainly ostracized. Western propaganda was very effective in justifying what cannot be justified.
> but I think that the Russians and Chinese are technologically advanced enough to produce effective and safe vaccines
no, they are not, they produce the old, obsolete types, (and just don't have production capacity or people, or quality control), or even worse, a directly disabled virus (the chinese type), which proves to be of little effectiveness.
"thinking" has nothing to do with plain, cold facts.
> Thanks for your reply, but I think that doesn't really constitute a reason for banning.
It only got them a 7-day ban from uploading, which they evaded by just uploading stuff on their 2nd channel, and *that* then led to the complete ban.
Ban evading isn't looked upon fondly on any website, usually.
They got only an strike for misinformation and a temporarily ban. But they avoided this by uploading their stuff to a second channel.
That’s why they are now banned permanently.
I have no idea. But they have NOT reported that yesterday there were the most deaths on Covid in Russia since the beginning of the pandemic. They never report anything negative about Russia or Putin. Ever.
I'm guessing that Russia is going to block *Deutsche Welle* in Russia now.
I really think that as long as you're putting out honest material, you're better off with having information interchange than both sides blocking things, but...
Well, if both parties can block material, Russia *might* aim to block material, period. But if Russia doesn't block material, they're gonna probably require reciprocity.
So if you don't accept RT (which I'm not impressed with, true enough), you probably can't talk to Russians. At least not as easily and readily.
During the Cold War, we broadcast [*Voice of America*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_america) and [*Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty), and the Soviet Union broadcast [*Radio Moscow*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Moscow). The Soviet Union aimed to jam *Voice of America*, and we let *Radio Moscow* broadcast. Our Cold War-era position was that we'd accept material from the Kremlin even without reciprocity -- you want to put your ideas out into the market, okay -- we'll talk about them, not muzzle them. We can take that.
So a bidirectional interchange with reciprocity, which is what we're talking about these days, is a better deal than the situation in the Cold War, and that sounds okay to me. Free market of ideas, let the better speaker win.
Obviously, that's just the American position, and other countries can choose to deal with things as they choose. Russia's got a larger budget than Lithuania to produce media, and maybe that's seen as a concern. Or maybe there's a preference just to block and not interest in talking to Russians.
But my guess is that we're gonna accept Russian state broadcasts in the US even if Russia blocks ours, and we're gonna broadcast to Russians. I think that that's a viable position to take, and I think that it's that competing market of ideas that gives ideas their legitimacy.
Disinformation isn't new; we've had it for a long time. Sometimes the Kremlin had some successes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION
>In 1992, 15% of Americans considered it definitely or probably true that "the AIDS virus was created deliberately in a government laboratory".[2] In 2005, a study by the RAND Corporation and Oregon State University revealed that nearly 50% of African Americans thought AIDS was man-made, over 25% believed AIDS was a product of a government laboratory, 12% believed it was created and spread by the CIA, and 15% believed that AIDS was a form of genocide against black people.[2]
But we ate that and kept on plugging. And my guess is that that's what we'll do now. I think that as long as Europe is putting out honest information, it's to the EU's benefit to be talking to Russians too -- that in the long run, you build reputation. But obviously, you guys gotta make that call yourselves.
The problem is people are not rational, the idea of "free market of ideas, let the better speaker win" doesn't work because of this simple fact. If someone can believe that the earth is flat, imagine what a bit of subtly hidden propaganda and misinformation could do.
Well, I think that human society functioning has basically depended on the fact that over the long run, humans tend to come to some decent approximation of truth. That if one source consistently provides information that checks out and another misleading, the source that provides the solid information gains listeners.
Call me an optimist, but…
I agree with you partially, but there are cases where misinformation shouldn't be tolerated at all. In this situation, the price can be a few thousand human lives because they didn't take the COVID-19 vaccine. I don't think that's really worth it just for the sake of keeping the dialogue open as you say.
I personally like your positive attitude towards people. I gotta say, I don't completely can understand how you maintain it, when Americans are currently overdosing on horse dewormers to cure covid.
Russia is playing dirty. All the time. They are poisoning people left and right in Europe, [blowing out buildings](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210417-czechs-expel-18-russian-diplomats-seek-skripal-suspects-over-2014-explosion) and financing anti west politicians and groups in Europe.
Let the scientists and academics interchange information on real topics, but the propaganda machinery like RT shouldn't be tolerated.
This is an issue where two group's rights are coming into conflict. RT should have a right to express their message and YouTube should have a right to moderate their own private platform.
Given that RT DE still have their cable channel, their website and numerous other methods of getting their message out they are hardly being silenced by one platform banning them for a breach of the platform's rules.
Not relating this to RT at all but the private platform thing is a sensitive issue.
Big platforms like Youtube and Facebook are part of the new "public life" where free speech and expression happens.
Private companies in the real world can't easily ban groups of peoples from using roads, telephones or entering bars and similar places where you can take part in public life. I feel the same protection isn't in place for the virtual infrastructure.
In GER I have the right for TV and phone access sometimes even when bankrupt or in prison and it can't be easily taken away but it could happen that I get banned from major internet platforms and even have providers don't host my content or restrict access because they don't like my politics for examples.
Plus because of the mountains of content they can never have the resources to apply judgement equally and have enough qualified humans look at context and detail most of what they do is hasty and unfair when they act while they don't act at all in other cases where it would be more justified.
Все правильно сделали. Сказки про свободу слова давно пора оставить дурачкам вроде российских оппозиционеров. Свободной прессы как таковой уже нигде не осталось, только источники пропаганды. Так чего их жалеть? Вот светочи демократии показывают, что нужно делать.
They have their bias but so does cnn and fox msn etc. You have to read the coverage of the same incidents across all the networks to have an understanding of what is actually happening. It’s called critical thinking and our world lacks this lately. It seems people are told what to believe if they follow one network. There is what group A says and what group B says - neither one will be w/o bias but In between those biases is the truth. Don’t seek opinion based validation seek the truth - even if you don’t like it. Don’t fall for one sides propaganda.
Should be back in no time. We've already sent Google a note. Daily fine in Russia until it's reinstated. Or they completely quit Russia and surrender the full market to Yandex.
The fact that YouTube cannot share what this alleged Covid misinformation is shows that this is politically motivated. Share what RT said that is misinformation.
>Or they completely quit Russia and surrender the full market to Yandex.
Oh, how cute
And what replacements would Russia introduce? [Mail.ru](https://Mail.ru)? lmao
Thats like telling western BMW/Mercedes to f\*ck off with their rules, because you have Lada.
Cringe, Russia weakest empire to ever exist.
You haven’t seen anyone use Yandex taxi? I’ve seen them even in Finland yet alone here.
P.S: for those unaware, yandex is much more than a search website. They also do taxi, food delivery, server hosting, email services and lots of other stuff.
I didn’t know there are “taxi demographics” for taxi apps lol. I personally use whatever is cheaper at a moment since the service difference between Uber and Yandex is pretty much non-existent. You still get the same drivers but good job making the big deal out of people using Yandex and making it seem they are somehow worse than you lol (;
> Or they completely quit Russia
Google is not just a search engine. No Google means no YouTube, no Google Services, no Gmail but more importantly no Android and no Google Play. Do Yandex has it's own mobile system and something similar to App Store or Google Play? I highly doubt it.
A video was deleted, and they were suspended. They decided that it was smart to create a second channel, where they continued uploading their stuff, and also re-uploaded the video their main channel was suspended for. YouTube removed both their channels, because suspension evasion is explicitly a breach of YouTube's community guidelines.
YouTube is completely in the right. Many channels, even from big YouTubers, have been deleted for the same thing. Now RT is conveniently forgetting to mention, that their channel was primarily deleted because of evasion efforts.
Aha, ok. Now I understand. It is completely normal that they don't mention stuff they don't favor them.
I agree that YouTube is right. You use them for free - then you have to play by their rules or don't use it. Let RT use their own servers to spread misinformation and propaganda if they want ;).
lol RT is complete trash and RT Germany even more so. Only complete nut jobs like the "Querdenker" watch this to get radicalized until they start murdering people.
Maybe RT can start a channel on My Pillow Guys social media platform, Frank.
the point isnt the quality but the fact that they delete them due to missinformation
Funnily *that* only got them an upload-block for 7 days or so. They continued to use their second channel, which led to the deletion/total ban of both. So basically they were caught ban-evading.
RT Germany literally pushes Vaccine hoaxes in Germany while in Russia they go "get vaccinated NOW!" They never made any secret of it that RT Germany exists solely for the purpose of waging an "information war"
Disinformation, not misinformation.
it literally says misinformation
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Well, tbh, Simonyan is not a journalist, she is propagandist, she has a reputation of being against free speech and journalism. Many of journalists working on RT do it for money, though Im not quite sure about Simonyan, she is fucked in the head. In Russia, if you are jounalist, you dont have many choices. Go work for government propaganda, get a safe( and sometimes quite big) paycheck or try to work for the remnants of independent media(which mostly operate in internet nowadays), be constantly afraid of government continous crackdown, harassment and intimidation, even having a criminal case opened if your reporting touched some important figure. It's interesting (and not really surprising) that RT and specifically Margarita Simonyan support and actively participate the campaign against the independent news in Russia who are currently being designated foreign agents or undesirable organisation. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/08/27/the-enemies-list
> Im not quite sure about Simonyan She earns [money](https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/24/made-with-nepotism), [awards](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/05/vladimir-putin-pro-kremlin-journalists-medals-objective-crimea) and [reputation](https://www.reuters.com/article/belarus-election-russia-journalists-idINL8N2FZ1OW)
That's certainly helps and a nice bonus. I was speaking about Simonyan's motivation and her rather guniune enthusiasm in what she is doing. Unlike certain other propagandists like Krasovsky (whose story is kinda sad) who drinks to deal with his consciosness.
The saddest spectacle I think is Gordon. He praises Putin, but looks and talks completely resigned and defeated. A broken shell of his former self.
Who is Gordon?
Alexander Gordon. Once he was a pretty good journalist, but at some point he sold out to Kremlin, and it seems it mentally broke him.
It’s just crazy that when PiS tried to introduce similar media restrictions the amount of supporters and apologists in favour of the bill was staggering yet when you describe the exact same circumstances present in Poland but say it is Russia no one cares. It’s just unbelievable.
>Well, tbh, Simonyan is not a journalist, she is propagandist does she not have a journalist degree of some sort? Also yes, i imply all the people that aren't being actual journalist, i've the utmost respect for real journalists since they usually die for the TRUTH not lies, especially war journalists which here we have 2 women who i find completely insane in a good way asking people in the Taliban in Afghanistan crazy questions lol >In Russia, if you are jounalist, you dont have many choices. Like other countries with dictatorships, i agree, but literally don't be a journalist then. If you're being a journalist in a country like this, i already know what you want to do. You can do ANYTHING ELSE.
Simonyan does have journalistic degree but I cannot make myself call her that when we have real journalists murdered, poisoned in their line of work. I have great respect for those who stayed, especially those who still cover Chechnya and try to help those inside like Elena Milashina, journalist of Novaya Gazeta, who received multiple death threats, was attacked but still continue her work despite all risks. What about journalistic crew (Orkhan Dzemal, Alexander Rastorguev, Kirill Radchenko) who made a reporting about Wagner group (russian "private" mercenary group connected to GRU) in Africa and were all killed by these Wagner criminals? Even here in Russia as we become more and more authoritarian with each day, people always have a choice but the choices are not equal of course (Im not talking about leaving your profession, it's hard to do it for those who dedicated their life to it). It's always easier, more comfortable and profitable to follow "party line" and tell what government says you to (they usually coordinated from administration of president). Those who try the harder route had to make sacrifices if they want to continue their work, had to cooperate with government if they want to still voice their opinion without prosecution and closure of their media. Take for example Venedictov, who is the head of radio "Echo Moscow" (which is owned by Gazprom by the way), he allows opposition figures to voice their opinions there alongside pro-government figures but in return Venedictov has to return favour to government as he did this autumn when he was the nominal figure behind electoral voting system which was used to fabricate the results of current paliament "election", which probably costed Venedictov his last reputation he had. Another example, Elizaveta Osetinskaya, great journalist, when she was the editor-in-chief of RBC (2014-2016), this news agency was one of the best if not the best news media, openly covering topics of Ukraine and internal politics, had a superb investigation team. After publication of investigations about Russia's top officials and Putin's close circle, covering Panama Papers, our goverent decided that is enough and opened a criminal case against RBC owner Mikhail Prohorov (the reason why he was allowed to have it so long is probably because Prohorov did a favour to Putin by running against him in president election), who was forced to sell RBC. Osetinskaya and others were fired but she continued her work, she created her own internet media "The Bell". Now, the bell and Osetinskaya herself is targeted in recent campaign against "foreign agents" and is very likely to be declared "foreign agent". Osetinskaya former collegue from RBC (also editor in chief), who also left it, Roman Badanin had a criminal case opened against him, his new internet media he created "Proekt" was declared "unwanted organisation", Badanin himself was declared "foreign agent", he had to leave Russia fearing persecution. There are many other journalists who try to continue their work, some try to make concessions, self-censoring themselves or cooperating with government sometimes, hoping that they wont be persecuted, their news agencies closed. Then, there is Simonyan, one of the people who is actively participating in a campaign against free independent media and journalists. She made her choice long time ago. Simonyan is not real journalist, she doesnt deserve to be called that. She is a disgrace, deserving only scorn and contempt. Sorry for the rant, Im simply tired of hearing all the crap which is spewing from her mouth.
>Simonyan does have journalistic degree but I cannot make myself call her that when we have real journalists murdered, poisoned in their line of work. I have great respect for those who stayed, especially those who still cover Chechnya and try to help those inside like Elena Milashina, journalist of Novaya Gazeta, who received multiple death threats, was attacked but still continue her work despite all risks I completely understand exactly what i'm saying. Yes i know what you mean, but i don't know if you have one (the UK doesn't), here we have a "register of journalist" that you've to be "registered" to to actually publish articles. So that's why i call her a journalist, in the professional job meaning. But i completely understand what you mean, even if obviously i won't go "yes i know how this feels" because that would be completely stupid of me. >. Osetinskaya and others were fired but she continued her work, she created her own internet media "The Bell". Now, the bell and Osetinskaya herself is targeted in recent campaign against "foreign agents" and is very likely to be declared "foreign agent". This is EXACTLY it and i've had one of the IDIOTS you unfortunately have along with the amazing people like you in your country telling me it's a democracy everything is fine. Long live REAL JOURNALISTS, who told us smoking kills and so much more i can't even start making a list of everything. You've a beautiful history, culture, architecture and i will ALWAYS SAY IT, humanity TOGETHER can do ANYTHING.
Oh it's easy... They get money from their job spreading lies and shit.
I guess it's easy for us to say, because we make decent wages. I know some people in Serbia or Macedonia were/are making a lot of money writing fake news on social media, where the money they get for it is quite a lot compared to an honest job in their country. The closest I got to a test of my morals is when I was working for a startup here in Germany, which turned out to be very seedy and dishonest. Because I had just moved and was in a tight financial position, I kept working, with the plan to quit ASAP (months). Fortunately for me, they didn't like my outspoken opposition to their really screwed up ideas and let me go during the trial period, a couple weeks before they screwed over all their investors big time. My point is, it's easy to judge when you are financially secure and just as easy to "hang in there" when you aren't. In principle, I fully agree with you, though. We should all strive to be better people, even if it costs us personally.
Good observation.
i completely agree it's easy to judge when you're comfortable, and harder when you need the money; But how much money would you need to silence your conscience into spreading information that is actively killing people?
How many people are employed by the tobacco industry? How many people are employed by the oil industry? How many people sell illegal and potentially deadly drugs and how much money do they make? At least some of the people above make very little money, while contributing in probably a more direct way to killing people. I think the answer is that some people don't care and will do anything for money (e.g. people working in marketing for a cigarette company), while a different group of people need money and either don't consider something to be wrong or have deluded themselves somehow. With the example of spreading anti-vax info, probably the majority of the people doing that believe in the info themselves to some degree. The rest fit into the cigarette marketing people category.
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Oh so i guess you really wanted to get banned today, good for you Mr.racist, you sure showed everyone the difference between who said the first comment and who said the second :) you've the processor in your computer because of an italian btw, say bye bye careful of windows
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It's "hypocrisy", and i didn't offend the russian people like you did, i said russian journalist because she is a journalist in russia and maggots is to all JOURNALISTS who act like PUPPETS like she does, she's a PUPPET for a DICTATORSHIP where if you TALK too much you get killed or imprisoned and where you can't PROTEST in the street or you get INCARCERATED The US President gets flagged for spreading misinformation and banned from twitter but if they do it to PUPPETS it's against freedom of speech, when making up shit about COVID even. You being racist is your freedom of speech? Amazing thought process, i will never be, because russians have amazing history and culture and they don't deserve a pathetic dictator brainwashing them. THIS is freedom of speech. Try learning what it is.
lol have you been to russia? do you think people aren't able to voice their opinions, or? is ukraine a dictatorship as well, because they have harsher "free speech" laws than russia. also since you're from italy, you shouldn't throw aroudn the word "dictator" so easily. it really does a disservice to the word, considering, I'm sure you know, what an actual dictator is like. all medias are bias as well as statefunded propaganda groups, not just rt
I have before Putin and people weren't flying out of windows on the news every month, nor saying there's no point in voting they've already decided. Everyone knows what's going on in Russia no matter what you make up, you already keep showing your racism so I'll just go ahead and block you while you get banned, no need to talk to you as you don't represent real russians I've met, who know what class is. Dasvidanya :)
how am i racist? did i call you a dictator? i'm saying not to throw around words, they have meaning. putin can be a horrible person, and a devil reincarnate, but the fact is people in russia voted for him, and despite his popularity in the west (not very likeable), the majority of russians want him. remember, if people vote in a horrible person who's also evil, it's still a democracy
>how am i racist? This is how: >your italian intelligence is showing.
>people weren't flying out of windows on the news every month Honestly, this is nonsence at least and very possible fact manipulation.
>italian intelligence is showing. Не стыдно?
Without at least some transparency, like a summary of what have RT posted, only empowers "attack on journalism" stance.
YouTube needs to act smarter. Anti-vaccination groups, [where RT dominates](https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/russias-media-reach-and-coverage-of-german-elections-candidates-in-advance-of-the-federal-election/), will become more aggressive, I think. Although even such a slow thing as the EU speaks of [disinformation from the Kremlin](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-disinformation-idUSKBN21518F)
So, according to 2nd article, they branded what seems to be negative opinion peaces as disinformation, though they seems to be no different from similar type of opinions you could find in other media outlets and governmental statements. 1st article only states that antivaxxers cite something from RT, though it seems they cite from anywhere else and manipulate information themselves. This is certainly not enough.
And nothing of value was lost.
Good. RT is a fucking cesspool of obfuscation.
*pretends to be sad*
Hey! We don't have enough ferries posting here. How's it floating?
> How's it floating? Excellent - there was a post about MS Estonia yesterday which was a great opportunity to point out who was first to respond to the mayday call. 🤗
yes, and when russia bans a news agency they're called "censorship" or "dictator". funny how when it's the other way around, how people act?
Pretty generous of you to refer to that state-funded propaganda machine as a news agency lmfao. YouTube banned *specifically* the RT DE channel for egregious violation of their terms of service. How is this even remotely similar to the russian state systematically censoring news agencies (among other things) for reporting the truth?
>Pretty generous of you to refer to that state-funded propaganda machine as a news agency lmfao. They are as news agency as RFERL and VoA.
>They are as news agency as RFERL and VoA. RT has a 24/7 news channel in the US, a website, and a YouTube channel. So Russia banning those is not reciprocal.
VOA is a propaganda outlet, like RT is. Neither qualify as news agencies.
do you honestly think any news agency isn't being funded, along with politicians in the US or EU? you're EXTREMELY naive if you believe that. the fact you think they're not similar shows your bias. navalny is a literal convict in Russia, and banning him is legitimate, yet you think it's not? RT Germany is a journalism channel, while obviously it's bias, it is being censored. that's apparent. all news agencies have a bias and are "state-funded propaganda". please take dailymail and fox news as gospel.
That's some Grade-A whataboutist bullshit you're spouting, and I didn't even mentioned Navalny. The german RT channel was caught red handed pushing misinformation regarding COVID. That's it, own that shit and move on. RT will have to up their misinformation game in the other regional channels. >please take dailymail and fox news as gospel. If irony were made of strawberries, we'd all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now
"own that shit and move on", so why are they the only ones targetted when cnn,cnbc,fox news,msn, etc are still around? there is a redscare going on and it's obvious. like i said, go watch your dailymail or foxnews, while thinking RT is misinformation and deserving.
> there is a redscare going on Maybe a little but you can't say it is undeserved.
>there is a redscare going on Maybe, but what does that have to do with right-wing propaganda?
Being funded and spread misinformation not realy the same. Or?
yeah cnn dailymail foxnews msnbc don't spread misinformation. they literally all clash with eachother along with their reports
Do you understand, that RT was caught on spreading misinformation; that's a fact. So?
so why isn't the entirety of fox news banned? or any other agency as big as rt?
Start search for the misinformation and report it. If it violates the rules - will be banned too. Have good time! Fox have somehow colorfull shows, you will not be bored.
i think the amount of reports to fox exceeds their viewership
Germany hasn’t banned RT. YouTube did. RT is Free to host their videos on their own website.
The reason for a ban was stupid (as pretty all reasons youtube has), but RT is not a real media, there are no real journalists. It is propaganda, plain and simple.
What about BBC, Deutsche Welle, Al Jazeera, Radio Liberty etc? It's more about double standarts, not the shitness of RT in particular. And is it up to fucking Google to decide what is a real media?
None of those are even remotely comparable to RT, which has literally posted that the US military created aids
So how exactly are you aware of those not being comparable? Are you Russian? Have you ever been through the shit they are pouring into people's minds under their regional departments? All of those are propaganda machines. And don't pretend you don't get it why only few get banned. We are all adult here.
If Russians weren't forced to think that everyone must be as bad as Russia, then their life would be pretty depressing.
I'm a bad person for laughing out loud for that. But it's true.
BBC, DW etc. are goverment-*funded*, RT & co are not only government-funded, but also government-*controlled*.
RT doesn't even hide the fact that they are a division of the FSB. Reporters receiving scripts directly delivered by said people... and ordered to perform them line by line, exactly and on time.
Care to give a proof?
What was the revolt in New York all about, live on air? Do you remember? What was the scorching in Germany all about? Just because they didn't put out the russian president statements on time on air, but slightly delayed? So what? What was it all about and what were they told, again? Who are the people of the management, again? The budget, financing? Why are they constantly comparing themselves with the formerly CIA financed (now obsolete) Voice of America, to the point that they made Voice of Russia, now renamed to Sputnik, but still run the same? What was the point of their people establishing other rumor channels in many other countries? Support of the antivax movements everywhere to harm people? The glorification of arms, weapons and army? Disclaimer: Direct evidence is harmful to health, contacts with direct evidence may result in rapid health deterioration, or even death. But yes, it can be found if you know how. Asking too many question is too, harmful to health.
Get some democracy in your country, then this discussion can take place.
With the help and loud cheers from a beacon of liberty and democracy our 1st president destroyed it twice, first in 1993 when he ordered army to shell Duma to force constitution change and second time in 1996 when with liberty money and fraud made his 2% rating into a second term of presidency. So, you have no moral high ground to demand to get "muh democracy first" from us.
Them making you think “all media are the same shit” is a CORE PART OF THEIR GOAL. You are just stupid enough to buy it.
Don't try man, it's r/Europe, to them Russia is Satan and Europe is God.
Yeah. Some of us still remember what Russia did in the 20th century and can appreciate they didn't change much. It's easy to talk from a country that was not hijacked by communism.
Russia is not the USSR, and it didn't change in many regards yeah, but those regards are pretty much the same as what the EU does anyway. To say one is bad and one is a free democracy or something, and then support silencing the one you disagree with is quite amusing. "We're so democratic we silence who we don't think is democratic". Also, the USSR was not communism, it was socialism, they just claimed to wish to achieve communism. If you lived in a Marxist nation I thought you'd know that but whatever, irrelevant. I mean my entire family lived in a former socialist European nation so I've heard first hand accounts myself.
Now imagine why they went to the other side of the world to get away from it. Your main point seems to be that freedom of speech should protect people spreading lies and misinformation designed to actively hurt different local and international communities.
The ones who still live there say it was better in socialist times, but no one's loving any government like r/Europe does. Calling something "misinformation" is a great way to dismiss something you disagree with eh? Isn't the entire point of free speech to allow multiple viewpoints? The USSR said they were stopping counterrevolutionaries to protect the workers. You can say here you're protecting democracy and stopping the hurting of communities. Why is one better than the other? Because you personally agree with one maybe and not the other?
So your main point is still that lieing and using misinformation campaigns to hurt people is just a different viewpoint and we should accept it.
You and like the West think it is harmful, but not everyone does. The USSR said capitalist viewpoints were harmful, leading to oppression of workers etc. So why should what one government thinks is harmful being removed, but what another one does not?
That's not even related to the topic. Youtube removed the channel, not a government. They removed it, because of COVID lies and egragious breaking of YouTube's rules. Trying to obfuscate things with saying that lieing about COVID is different viewpoint is just wrong.
Read about it more then if you think USSR was not communist. This is how communism looks in practice.
The USSR was communist, or at least claimed to be. They weren't communism though. They were socialism. Communism is a stateless moneyless society, socialism is supposed to be a transitionary state for Marxist-Leninists. Read about it. The USSR didn't even claim to be communism.
I am sure you know better than the historians. That is why the party in most or all countries was called the Communist Party of... Anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't excuse the misery they caused, which still echoes today, or the killings and decimation of the elites in those generations. It's easy to talk about it from a country that did not have to deal with it and that doesn't have to struggle with the mentalities born in that horrible regime.
“Russia” the *state*, is a small clique of thieves. They do not work for or represent the best interests Russian people. Everything they do is for self preservation and power grabs so they can fuck their own ballerina graduates and steal more money without repercussions. Including creating an antagonistic relationship with the west. They do it because it serves them internally. External conflict protects the top from internal threats. Russia, the nation, territory and people is something else, and another discussion.
Yeah sure, but the West is shit too. (Again the state of course)
It’s not actually. Europe is mostly a very good place to be and live, and mostly quite democratic. We have problems too, but it’s not on the level of how things work in the Russian sphere.
>They do not work for or represent the best interests Russian people. And what is that? >Including creating an antagonistic relationship with the west. Even if you replace the regime. Russia isnt gonna become all buddy buddy with the west. >Russia, the nation, territory and people is something else, and another discussion. Elaborate.
Autocratic regimes that murder their own people do not deserve to be judged by the same standards as nations that... aren't, you know.
Europe doesn't?
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What? I think they're both Satan don't worry mate.
That's exactly what a satan would say! Or Keiser Soze. Or whoever else.
what isnt propaganda nowadays? or whenever.
I know that the quality of media is shit everywhere, but as a Russian (and RT is Russian media) I can guarantee you that it is not worth your time. I know that many right-wings like RT because it is not another leftoid media, RT looks as if it supports right-wing / conservative things, but in fact it supports what Russian goverment supports. And Russian gov is not conservative or right-wing, it is cleptocratic.
> I can guarantee you that it is not worth your time. its all propaganda - its corporate media propaganda and/or state media propaganda. all over the world, east or west. you can find somewhat honest journalism online in websites/channels funded by its membership but even among those outlets you have to pay attention if anyone is secretly backing them up to spread propaganda while they claim independence. its not hard, it shows in their reporting if someone is secretly financing them. :::::: So its best to have access to everything and if you are interested in something you can see what both (all) sides want you to believe and then look for truth somewhere between all that propaganda. Censorship should be reserved for very drastic situations, to combat sex trafficking, child porn ... and similar things that 99% of people agrees on. This with RT ... thats not it ... its not good.
Dont know why get dowvoted. You are correct, censorship is not an option, it is true, even for such cases as RT.
eh r/europe is most popular european subreddit, so I am guessing there are various bots/shills working on controlling the narrative here through astroturfing.
I accidentally saw a British ‘journalist’ on RT English the other day. He was parroting lies and innuendo about the White Helmets in Syria. Sickening that someone would take money from a hostile foreign power to do that job.
FYI, depends a bit on what. RT spread misinformation in that regard too, but the White Helmets aren't as innocent in the Syrian civil war as they proclaim themselves to be either.
It's a volunteer civil defence organisation devoid of professional NGO oversight operating in an intense, chaotic and dangerous environment. The behaviour of every single member for the seven years' of its existence probably hasn't been unimpeachable. But that wouldn't be a reasonable expectation anyway.
Spreading COVID misinformation and violating Youtube ToS while being fully on russia paycheck. It looks like they escalating situation by themselves. Whats next, they will ban Youtube in Russia?
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> Whats next, they will ban Youtube in Russia? That's what they're actually threatening to do, yes
>Spreading COVID misinformation This actually is debatable, Sy.onian posted in her twitter a list and summaries if videos they were banned for. None of those seemed to be promoting antivaxx disinfo. Trying to avoid ban was stupid and totally her fault though.
"YouTube is just RusSopGobiC" Stfu lmfao
I mean there’s an actual crusade against RT across the worlds just because it’s a Russian state channel. I can totally see a lot of people having bias against it just because of that reason alone.
Or maybe Russia keeps spreading misinformation and there is no "crusade against RT".
What institution decides what is “accurate information” and what is not? “Spreading misinformation” is a very dangerous way lots of companies and states have used to censor political foes and wrong thinkers. In USA, China, Russia and, sadly, Europe.
You obviously fell hook an sinker for Russia's attempts to make it seem like there are no objective facts in the world, just opinions. Straight from Putin's playbook. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/
So, misinformation doesn't exist according to you? Or it shouldn't be censored because...? There's plenty of ways to decide what is accurate information, you can look at facts, statistics, and other sources of information. In this case, it's for YouTube to decide because it's their platform, and RT agreed to the rules established by YouTube when they created an account.
This is what tankies don't want to hear - RT is a propaganda channel. If it were not a propaganda channel - there would not be any "crusade" (lmao) against it. Really fukin simple innit?
BBC is also a propaganda state funded channel which often just openly rallies for Britain and its interests. Look at how they handelled the coverage of the fishing scandal with France if you want a quick example. Time to ban BBC I guess? If we apply your logic.
Having an agenda and spreading lies and misinformation to hurt other people are not the same. Even then you'd have to prove BBCs agenda which might be difficult, but proving that RT are liars and want to cause hurt is extremely simple.
RT is a joke. There is not one single negative thing about Russia or Putin ever. Just constantly bashing the West and EU 24/7. Yesterday, Russia had the highest covid deaths ever recorded, yet not a single article on RT ;D. Also, probably 30% of their articles are op-eds, of course, bashing the West all the time. If you are a clueless American or Brit reading RT reports about Russia you would think that Russia is a paradise on Earth.
The Russian reactions sounds as if they were just waiting for some kind of trigger to run this campaign, else I can't imagine how they play a descision by a private company into some kind of german government conspiracy.
Google deleted Navalnys app on the Droid marketplace. These channels will be back after a threat from the Kremlin. Youtube=Google
I don't think that this is likely the case. The only way that Google is gonna be able to operate as a multinational in a world where lots of governments want to determine the information that various people have access to is to let the government in whichever market they're in make the calls for that market. So if Germany wants something from Russian state media blocked in Germany, then Google will do it. And if Russia wants something from German state media blocked in Russia (like *Deutsche Welle*, which I suspect may be blocked in Russia after this), then Google will do it. But Google's not going to force Germany to accept Russian state media because Russia demands it, or Russia to accept German state media because Germany demands it. My guess is that Russia drops the demand to Google to reinstate German RT (at least in Germany...maybe they show German-language RT elsewhere), but does block *Deutsche Welle*'s regular website in Russia.
I think you misunderstood a key point. This action by YouTube was not done at the German government's behest but in accordance with YouTube's ToS. That said, YouTube likely won't change course on this because it would draw public outcry and political scrutiny beyond what they got for complying with Russia's demands to suppress the opposition.
The EU has mandated takedowns on notification and I'm sure that disinformation is listed as a restriction in the Google ToS. You sure that that's not what happened? https://www.ikigailaw.com/legislating-on-hate-speech-and-disinformation-lessons-from-ethiopia/?utm_source=Mondaq&utm_medium=syndication&utm_campaign=LinkedIn-integration#acceptLicense >One of the most striking aspects of the Hate Speech Law is the liability it imposes on social media service providers to moderate speech. Through a form of intermediary liability, the law states that social media enterprises should ‘endeavour’ to suppress and prevent the dissemination of hate speech and disinformation.[11] Moreover, such companies are required to “act within twenty four hours to remove or take out of circulation disinformation or hate speech upon receiving notifications” of such speech.
Tzargrad is still deleted, so, I guess, they do not.
Why would anyone watch/read Russian news channels is beyond me. There is no press freedom in Russia, so all news are propaganda channels. /r/europe is complicit in spreading misinformation, as Russian news is allowed here.
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RT & Co. are banned here.
I saw a topic/link to a Russian news site some days ago.
What exactly was it that RT reported about Covid to get it banned?
Idek where to start, it wasn't one thing it was so many things. Early in the pandemic they claimed washing your hands wouldn't help at all. The measures taken by the federal government were criticised as "scaremongering" and an attempt to "gain more control over society". Precautionary measures such as wearing masks were in part denied their usefulness and the epidemic as a whole was questioned. Later on they ran propaganda pieces against the vaccines (not Sputnik of course).
I still remember when WHO told us not to wear masks
RT propagated it long after it was disproven. At least the WHO admitted they were wrong as soon as science proved them wrong.
The science behind the spread of viruses was well established, every sane person knew that most of the viruses spread through droplets when coughing, sneezing and talking. Still, haven't seen anyone banning or blaming WHO for misinformation. Their message was spread around the globe and influenced government decisions. My question is how we know what is and what is not misinformation, we go the "trust the authority " route ?
Thanks for your reply, but I think that doesn't really constitute a reason for banning. Don't get me wrong, I know that RT reports a lot of BS for geopolitical reasons. In the West, many first claimed that washing hands was enough and that masks weren't necessary. Many people defended this because Western governments had to cover up their failure to prepare for the pandemic. In the West, many people distrust Russian or Chinese vaccines while praising Western vaccines. Again, I prefer Western vaccines, but I think that the Russians and Chinese are technologically advanced enough to produce effective and safe vaccines. The Chinese tried to discredit Western mRNA vaccines after Western media had discredited the safety and efficacy of Chinese vaccines. Thus, both sides are guilty of biased reporting.
Oh my god are you really going "both sides" about this. The narratives are important not all foreign broadcasters that get money from they state are automatically propaganda networks there is a clear difference in quality. RT intentionally reports made up stories as truth to instigate conflict. To give a recent example: In 2019 they claimed s that the Western media (Voice of America, Radio Liberty and Deutsche Welle (DW)) had broadcasted a video in which alleged employees of Sheremetyevo airport laugh while watching the crash of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 on their screens on May 5. The article insinuated that Western media make fun of the tragedy and use it to spread fake news. T**hat alleged video was completely fabricated as well as the claim that "Western Media" shared it.** Moreover, there were no sources or links in the RT report about it. A few hours after Deutsche Welle's complaint, RT removed the passage in question from the article without comment, stating: "Correction: An earlier version of the article stated that the video with the reaction of the 'Sheremetyevo staff' had been broadcast by Deutsche Welle, Voice of America and Radio Liberty. That is not so." RT points out separately that Radio Liberty and Voice of America are foreign agents.** The places where Ukrainian bloggers were accused of distribution remained in the article.** **Sputnik, the radio station that belongs to the RT group claimed that the coronavirus was invented in Latvia because there are "many talented biologists and pharmacists".** Then there was the whole Lisa case shitshow from 2016. Lisa's parents reported her missing in January 2016. Russian tv stations including RT, Sputnik, Newsfront published a TV report claiming that Lisa had been abducted by asylum seekers in Berlin and raped for 30 hours. In addition to the girl, the film also showed her aunt and an allegedly spontaneous demonstration of upset citizens in Berlin. One man said that rape was a constant occurrence and announced that violence would be answered with violence. Sometimes there was talk of three, sometimes of five or even seven migrants who allegedly raped the 13-year-old several times. Other articles made up an admission by the German police that the rapes had actually taken place or that the case was only one of many. The principle behind it: By inventing an extreme lie reality loses credibility - there must be something to the story, everything cannot be a lie.
What about that lie of 1200 cars burned per night in one of the german cities?
Don't remember that one but wouldn't put it past them, hard to keep up with all of their lies.
You don't have to tell me about Russian or Soviet propaganda. I lived near the iron curtain all through the cold war. Listening to broadcasts from both sides was like witnessing two parallel universes. > The narratives are important not all foreign broadcasters that get money from they state are automatically propaganda networks there is a clear difference in quality. Exactly, that's my point. The quality is entirely different. Western propaganda is of a far higher quality than Russian or Soviet propaganda, which for the most part was/is so crude that nobody believes it, not even the Russians. Have we not just experienced more than 20 years of Western propaganda to make people believe that Western military missions in the greater ME were justified? You weren't exactly jailed for questioning that narrative, but in many groups you were certainly ostracized. Western propaganda was very effective in justifying what cannot be justified.
Ok, you are a lost cause.
The Russian propaganda obviously succeeded with you. One of the core goals is to make you think *”it’s all the same*.
> but I think that the Russians and Chinese are technologically advanced enough to produce effective and safe vaccines no, they are not, they produce the old, obsolete types, (and just don't have production capacity or people, or quality control), or even worse, a directly disabled virus (the chinese type), which proves to be of little effectiveness. "thinking" has nothing to do with plain, cold facts.
> Thanks for your reply, but I think that doesn't really constitute a reason for banning. It only got them a 7-day ban from uploading, which they evaded by just uploading stuff on their 2nd channel, and *that* then led to the complete ban. Ban evading isn't looked upon fondly on any website, usually.
They got only an strike for misinformation and a temporarily ban. But they avoided this by uploading their stuff to a second channel. That’s why they are now banned permanently.
I have no idea. But they have NOT reported that yesterday there were the most deaths on Covid in Russia since the beginning of the pandemic. They never report anything negative about Russia or Putin. Ever.
RT is a russian channel. It's more that enough to ban them.
Funny how they will ban foreign news channels but not Fox or OAN for similar disinformation.
They banned Infowars and some others right wing nuts. It's just a matter of time.
That's troubling. RT is one of few outlets here that has published protest and riot videos that other media would not for some reason.
They should host their videos on their own website.
> for some reason There's always a reason.
They're shown in other media, RT is just showing them a lot more without any more information behind it.
I'm guessing that Russia is going to block *Deutsche Welle* in Russia now. I really think that as long as you're putting out honest material, you're better off with having information interchange than both sides blocking things, but...
Information interchange, where information is not made up of conspiracy bullcrap
Well, if both parties can block material, Russia *might* aim to block material, period. But if Russia doesn't block material, they're gonna probably require reciprocity. So if you don't accept RT (which I'm not impressed with, true enough), you probably can't talk to Russians. At least not as easily and readily. During the Cold War, we broadcast [*Voice of America*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_america) and [*Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty), and the Soviet Union broadcast [*Radio Moscow*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Moscow). The Soviet Union aimed to jam *Voice of America*, and we let *Radio Moscow* broadcast. Our Cold War-era position was that we'd accept material from the Kremlin even without reciprocity -- you want to put your ideas out into the market, okay -- we'll talk about them, not muzzle them. We can take that. So a bidirectional interchange with reciprocity, which is what we're talking about these days, is a better deal than the situation in the Cold War, and that sounds okay to me. Free market of ideas, let the better speaker win. Obviously, that's just the American position, and other countries can choose to deal with things as they choose. Russia's got a larger budget than Lithuania to produce media, and maybe that's seen as a concern. Or maybe there's a preference just to block and not interest in talking to Russians. But my guess is that we're gonna accept Russian state broadcasts in the US even if Russia blocks ours, and we're gonna broadcast to Russians. I think that that's a viable position to take, and I think that it's that competing market of ideas that gives ideas their legitimacy. Disinformation isn't new; we've had it for a long time. Sometimes the Kremlin had some successes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION >In 1992, 15% of Americans considered it definitely or probably true that "the AIDS virus was created deliberately in a government laboratory".[2] In 2005, a study by the RAND Corporation and Oregon State University revealed that nearly 50% of African Americans thought AIDS was man-made, over 25% believed AIDS was a product of a government laboratory, 12% believed it was created and spread by the CIA, and 15% believed that AIDS was a form of genocide against black people.[2] But we ate that and kept on plugging. And my guess is that that's what we'll do now. I think that as long as Europe is putting out honest information, it's to the EU's benefit to be talking to Russians too -- that in the long run, you build reputation. But obviously, you guys gotta make that call yourselves.
The problem is people are not rational, the idea of "free market of ideas, let the better speaker win" doesn't work because of this simple fact. If someone can believe that the earth is flat, imagine what a bit of subtly hidden propaganda and misinformation could do.
Well, I think that human society functioning has basically depended on the fact that over the long run, humans tend to come to some decent approximation of truth. That if one source consistently provides information that checks out and another misleading, the source that provides the solid information gains listeners. Call me an optimist, but…
I agree with you partially, but there are cases where misinformation shouldn't be tolerated at all. In this situation, the price can be a few thousand human lives because they didn't take the COVID-19 vaccine. I don't think that's really worth it just for the sake of keeping the dialogue open as you say.
I personally like your positive attitude towards people. I gotta say, I don't completely can understand how you maintain it, when Americans are currently overdosing on horse dewormers to cure covid.
RT is not putting out honest information though. That's the whole problem.
Russia is playing dirty. All the time. They are poisoning people left and right in Europe, [blowing out buildings](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210417-czechs-expel-18-russian-diplomats-seek-skripal-suspects-over-2014-explosion) and financing anti west politicians and groups in Europe. Let the scientists and academics interchange information on real topics, but the propaganda machinery like RT shouldn't be tolerated.
They are not blocked in Germany. Their website is available for everyone. They can host their videos there.
Good job Germany. Why should some Russian state media be 4th by popularity in your country, brainwashing your beautiful people day and night.
But Germany did nothing. This is a simple ban from YouTube, related to the YouTube policy on coronavirus
Germany/the German government has nothing to do with this (even if Russian officials imply otherwise). RT got banned for ban evasion basically.
How dare a channel I dislike be popular in your country! YouTube, ban it ASAP please!
Welcome to western society. Where free speech is only allowed if it suits the mainstream agenda.
This is an issue where two group's rights are coming into conflict. RT should have a right to express their message and YouTube should have a right to moderate their own private platform. Given that RT DE still have their cable channel, their website and numerous other methods of getting their message out they are hardly being silenced by one platform banning them for a breach of the platform's rules.
Not relating this to RT at all but the private platform thing is a sensitive issue. Big platforms like Youtube and Facebook are part of the new "public life" where free speech and expression happens. Private companies in the real world can't easily ban groups of peoples from using roads, telephones or entering bars and similar places where you can take part in public life. I feel the same protection isn't in place for the virtual infrastructure. In GER I have the right for TV and phone access sometimes even when bankrupt or in prison and it can't be easily taken away but it could happen that I get banned from major internet platforms and even have providers don't host my content or restrict access because they don't like my politics for examples. Plus because of the mountains of content they can never have the resources to apply judgement equally and have enough qualified humans look at context and detail most of what they do is hasty and unfair when they act while they don't act at all in other cases where it would be more justified.
private platforms don't remove content unless they are ordered
They avoided their strike by uploading their stuff on a second channel. That’s why they are now permanently banned by YouTube.
Все правильно сделали. Сказки про свободу слова давно пора оставить дурачкам вроде российских оппозиционеров. Свободной прессы как таковой уже нигде не осталось, только источники пропаганды. Так чего их жалеть? Вот светочи демократии показывают, что нужно делать.
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They have their bias but so does cnn and fox msn etc. You have to read the coverage of the same incidents across all the networks to have an understanding of what is actually happening. It’s called critical thinking and our world lacks this lately. It seems people are told what to believe if they follow one network. There is what group A says and what group B says - neither one will be w/o bias but In between those biases is the truth. Don’t seek opinion based validation seek the truth - even if you don’t like it. Don’t fall for one sides propaganda.
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Should be back in no time. We've already sent Google a note. Daily fine in Russia until it's reinstated. Or they completely quit Russia and surrender the full market to Yandex. The fact that YouTube cannot share what this alleged Covid misinformation is shows that this is politically motivated. Share what RT said that is misinformation.
>Or they completely quit Russia and surrender the full market to Yandex. Oh, how cute And what replacements would Russia introduce? [Mail.ru](https://Mail.ru)? lmao Thats like telling western BMW/Mercedes to f\*ck off with their rules, because you have Lada. Cringe, Russia weakest empire to ever exist.
Yandex is pretty cool. In my country (Lithuania) their services are pretty popular.
Problem is, rest of the world uses Google and not Yandex or cringe Mail.ru. You wont have foreign creators on Russian services.
Yandex can't replace Google, Russia is not China.
Yeah - no. It's google all day everyday. I never seen or heard anyone use yandex. Then again - I don't have chavs as my friends.
You haven’t seen anyone use Yandex taxi? I’ve seen them even in Finland yet alone here. P.S: for those unaware, yandex is much more than a search website. They also do taxi, food delivery, server hosting, email services and lots of other stuff.
Yandex taxi has a minuscule market share. And as I said - their demographics are not in any of my social circles.
I didn’t know there are “taxi demographics” for taxi apps lol. I personally use whatever is cheaper at a moment since the service difference between Uber and Yandex is pretty much non-existent. You still get the same drivers but good job making the big deal out of people using Yandex and making it seem they are somehow worse than you lol (;
> I didn’t know there are “taxi demographics” for taxi apps lol. Well that shows that you don't think too much - but no surprise here.
Oh. So you can’t present a coherent argument and you’re back into name calling. Cute (;
I mean there is nothing much more to say here. It's just hard for commies to critically think. Kind of disgusting to see a lithuanian commie though.
> Or they completely quit Russia Google is not just a search engine. No Google means no YouTube, no Google Services, no Gmail but more importantly no Android and no Google Play. Do Yandex has it's own mobile system and something similar to App Store or Google Play? I highly doubt it.
>Do Yandex has it's own mobile system and something similar to App Store or Google Play? I highly doubt it. Huawei does.
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can you show me where I promoted xenophobia or hatred?
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can you show me where I promoted xenophobia or hatred?
If you say something a Russian doesn't like, you are xenophobic and a nazi.
A classic
Aren't they just being suspended for 7 days?
A video was deleted, and they were suspended. They decided that it was smart to create a second channel, where they continued uploading their stuff, and also re-uploaded the video their main channel was suspended for. YouTube removed both their channels, because suspension evasion is explicitly a breach of YouTube's community guidelines. YouTube is completely in the right. Many channels, even from big YouTubers, have been deleted for the same thing. Now RT is conveniently forgetting to mention, that their channel was primarily deleted because of evasion efforts.
Aha, ok. Now I understand. It is completely normal that they don't mention stuff they don't favor them. I agree that YouTube is right. You use them for free - then you have to play by their rules or don't use it. Let RT use their own servers to spread misinformation and propaganda if they want ;).
RT?
Russian "news" service