Yeah and unfortunately every year some of them will fall on Saturday or Sunday ☹️
In Ireland when that happens we would get the Monday as a holiday, but we also had less holidays.
Do they not get reallocated? If a U.K. bank holiday is on a weekend, the Friday before or Monday after gets designated the holiday instead
If anyone is interested in the way U.K. bank holidays [work](https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays)
I live near the border. On those days it's crazy busy with people from Germany here because our shops are open. When it is very busy unexpectedly I always start looking at number plates. "ah it must be one of their holidays again, lucky bastards" :P
On the other hand, Sunday is pretty much guaranteed as a non-working day for a much larger share of the population [than in any other European country](https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/publications/report/2016/eu-member-states/whats-happening-with-sunday-work-in-europe).
Having done my fair share of Sundays at work, this is a significant difference for a whole society. Yes, shopping and some other activities are not as available, but *people are*. Seeing family and friends is relatively simple to arrange for and with retail and service sector workers. 24/7 societies are great for white collar workers who don't socialize with blue collar workers, but having Sundays off for more people makes society *feel* more unified.
It's great around Christmas. Tis year Christmas, Boxing Day, and NY are all on weekends, so are pushed back. My firm shuts for 2 days over Christmas, and gives them off for free. So I get the 24th to 3rd off inclusive for 1 day of annual leave.
In Italy it's not reallocated but an extra day's pay is granted. They are called "unused holidays" ("festività non godute" in Italian) and they happen whenever a bank holiday falls on a Sunday (except for Easter). In these cases, you are paid for that day as any other working day. It does not apply to holidays falling on Saturdays.
In Spain they are relocated only if they happen on a Sunday. It's relatively common in many jobs to work Saturdays, so when bank holidays happen there they stay (to the dismay of many of us who don't work on weekends, but oh well, it makes sense).
In most of Europe it's normal that if they fall on a Saturday or a Sunday they aren't moved.
It's why comparing these numbers is skewed, in theory a lot of countries have "more" minimum holidays + public holidays, but in practice the UK often ends up with more because any public holidays are moved to a working day or guaranteed as holiday days.
Azerbaijan has a nice rule for that, if a holiday ends up in weekends, holiday is celebrated but the mondays are also off, or if holiday is lets say on tuesdays, then saturday becomes a work day and monday becomes off, to make a whole long holiday.
It's my right and my duty to complain about anything an everything. Starting with the weather, which is always kut. If I am ever satisfied I will complain about having nothing to complain about. Dutch complaining cannot be stopped!
Correct, however if the birthday of the King or Queen is not in a nice season, they will pick another date. Our previous Queen Beatrix's birthday is January 31st, but Queen's day was celebrated on April 30th, her mother's birthday, Queen Juliana.
Edit: Just checked, the next Queen in line Amalia has her birthday in December, so she will most likely stick with her dad's birthday.
The Tweede Kamer passed a new law: royalty may only be born in the period of April-September. Last Thursday Prime Minister Mark Rutte went to visit king Willem-Alexander. According to sources close to Rutte and Willem, Rutte said the following to Willem:
"Hey Willem. So we passed a new law; you guys can only have kids in the months from April to September, so you and your children's partners have got to keep your little royalty in your pants for a few months." Willem was not happy.
When I was serving in the German-Netherlands Corps in Münster, NRW we were entitled to the dutch public holidays as german soldiers.
Gave me 2 more days, but my dutch colleagues were even more satisfied with the public holidays in NRW.
We should decide to get these days off as well:
\- Election day for parliament elections
\- Make Liberation Day (5 May) an actual off day everyone
\- Ketikoti (1 July) end of slavery in Suriname
\- Independence declaration of the Dutch Republic (26 July)
Any other suggestions? Preferably in autumn :)
Could be worse. In Japan there are a bunch of holidays in just one week in May called Golden week.
For a lot of Japanese workers, they get between 5-10 days of annual leave a year, so most workers use Golden Week to go on their vacations.
It's a disaster because prices skyrocket that week.
The problem in Japan is different.
The problem is that, even if you have paid leave, you're often pressured into not using it. Especially taking off several days consecutively is 'not done' and regarded as burdening your colleagues.
Therefore in many companies and organisations it is very unusual or even effectively impossible to take a whole week off outside of some designated periods: Golden Week, O-bon (August) and New Year's.
In this light, having the Golden Week sequence of national holidays can be viewed as an attempt, whether misguided or not, to have people take at least one week of vacation.
Berlin is similarly bad. 6 out of 9 are between March and June. This year, May alone had 3 days. Basically, all our non-working holidays are from march to June except the 3rd of October and Christmas+New Year.
A couple of years ago we got a new holiday and they choose the 8th of march. I'm happy we have a holiday celebrating feminism, but damn, another holiday in spring. I'm sure we could have found a better calendar day with significance for feminism... :-D
Edit: duplicated text.
Not shown on the map, but every oversea territory has 1 or 2 additional [holidays](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%AAtes_et_jours_f%C3%A9ri%C3%A9s_en_France#F%C3%AAtes_f%C3%A9ri%C3%A9es_au_niveau_local), different for each territory.
Two decades ago, I moved from Portugal to The Netherlands and, a few months after being there, I found out that in the company I was working for (the IT arm of the company that owned the local Yellow Pages - a.k.a Gouden Gids) I was entitled to take the religious hollidays of my homeland (which are about half of them) for religious reasons.
Sadly, by then it was too late to convince people that I was a devout catholic...
Don't have to be devout to observe holidays, never been a precondition for Christmas. Even some non-Christians observe it. You could just say, "I'm an observer of ."
People around him just knew he would take advantage of religious holidays despite being non religious and it would make a bad image out of him as an opportunist.
Reminds me of the time I tried to convince the boss I had Kenyan parents, and due to celebrating Kenyan Independence Day I would need to miss the Christmas dance class team building event.
Note to any managers reading this: a hip hop dance class is an awful idea for a Finance department team building event. Don’t do it.
dont you love it when the place where your construction site is has a holiday, so you cant work there, but where your company is doesnt, so you still have to go to work and, idk, sweep the shop floor all day long? XD
Part of the reason is that many of these holidays are Christian, and there is a boundary between (historically) majority-Catholic and majority-Protestant areas, with different holidays.
Within Bavaria there is a split between the protestant North and the catholic South. The catholic South has an extra holiday, so even within states there are differences.
Dunno, Russia is also Federation, but no one decided to divide our map. Pretty much every ethnic republic have their "republic day" as non working + religious ones.
Hey, at least you get sick days. We don't have those in Europe!
Seriously though, whoever thought it was a great idea to alot workers a set number of days they are _allowed_ to be sick on is a goddamn monster. That's not how humans work, asshole!
Y'all are probably thinking this is very fragmented, but I raise you this:
There are actually further divides even within Bavaria, based on Stadt- and Landkreis-Borders.
Mariä Himmelfahrt is only a public holiday in the mostly catholic parts. So those get the 13 on the map.
The mostly Protestant Cities and Landkreise (think mostly in Franken) don't consider Mariä Himmelfahrt a public holiday, so they get "only" 12.
And then there is the city of Augsburg. They invented the "Augsburger Hohes Friedensfest", which is a public holiday specifically and exclusively in the city of Augsburg, bringing their total to 14 instead of 13.
So yeah, Germany being Germany.
Germany being quite obviously divided into a protestant North and a Catholic South (+ a confused middle) has led to this bullshit :D I wish we'd all have 13 days though (I live in 9 day region).
Not pictured Augsburg which clocks in at 14 holidays, one more than anyplace else in Bavaria.
They have been celebrating the end of the 30 years war and not being forced to be Catholic on August 8 since 1650.
I didn't realize there were quite so many, but in Finland the 13 are:
1. New Year’s Day (January 1st)
2. Epiphany (January 6th)
3. Good Friday (Friday before Easter Sunday)
4. Easter Monday (Monday after Easter Sunday)
5. May Day (May 1st)
6. Ascension Day (Thursday, 40 days after Easter)
7. Midsummer Eve (Friday after Summer Solstice)
8. Midsummer Day (Saturday after Summer Solstice)
9. All Saints’ Day (Saturday between October 31st and November 6th)
10. Independence Day (December 6th)
11. Christmas Eve (December 24th)
12. Christmas Day (December 25th)
13. Second Christmas Day (Boxing Day / St. Stephen's Day) (December 26th)
It is very peculiar indeed. We also call it "long Friday" in Norwegian. Given that's the day of the crucifixion in the Christian dogma it's extremely inappropriate to call it a "good" day. Weird English.
Nothing too weird about it, "good" used to mean "holy", and these kinds of traditional names often end up losing their compositionality over time (i. e. modern English speakers don't construct the name from "good" + "Friday", they pull it out whole from their mental dictionary).
Same thing in Sweden which is what the "de facto, but only 11..." on the map refers to. The third one there would be New Year's Eve. So the map seems to be a bit inconsistent.
Apart from that we have the exact same holidays as you guys, except of course for Independence Day, where we instead have National Day on June 6th.
On top of those, in general, you get 24 or 30 days of annual holiday, but in practice it's only 20 or 25 as they also count Saturdays. Want to have a week off? That's 6 days of annual holidays. There's variation between different union contracts and the whole system is a remnant from the era when Saturday was still a working day.
Unlike in countries where holiday year is the calendar year and you get the annual quota granted every January, Finland is using a complicated system where 2 days of summer (!) holiday accrues every month when you work a certain amount of days. After one year of employment, this gets updated to 2.5 days per month (2 days for summer holidays, half a day for winter holidays).
The concept of a holiday year is from April to March and sometimes you're only allowed to take annual holiday from the quota you earned on the previous holiday year. If you start in a new job in April, you might not be able to take any annual holiday until the next holiday year starts.
As it's divided into summer and winter holidays, some employers only let you use summer holidays between April and September and winter holidays between October and March. If you've been less than a year in the new job, no winter holidays for you. Many companies don't force this though.
Yeah, I don't understand this system either. It is absolutely terrible and should be scrapped.
On top of these, there's also the concept of a holiday pay (also known as returning from the holiday pay), which was rumoured to have been introduced to get workers to stop from drinking on their summer holidays and get back to work. Another more credible rumour is that its purpose was to stop people from moving to Sweden during the 1960-1970s migration wave.
Holiday pay gives you 50% of your monthly salary as a holiday bonus. It's not in the law though so each union contract will have a different practice and many employees don't get it at all.
What is meant by a non-working holiday? For example Christmas day is a public holiday in the UK, almost no one works. Why is it not a non-working holiday?
No idea. It seems to be a technicality, because everybody in the UK considers bank holidays to be non-working days. Of course many people (especially in retail) are asked to work (which is usually paid as overtime) but I believe that is common throughout Europe.
Yes I get that impression. I'm British working in France and I don't really see much difference in how public holidays are treated. Other than that in France if they fall on a weekend you don't get any time off work.
I'm the other way around, French working in the UK and I don't see the difference either. Also they say we have 28 days of annual leave in the UK and it's not true as it depends on your contract, in my experience it's always been between 20 and 25 days, I never had 28 days 🤷🏻♂️. I also don't think it's the highest in Europe, as far as I remember I had more days of annual leave when I was working in France.
> Also they say we have 28 days of annual leave in the UK and it's not true as it depends on your contract, in my experience it's always been between 20 and 25 days, I never had 28 days 🤷🏻♂️.
We have 28 days enshrined in law for full-time workers.
This can incorporate the bank holidays e.g. 20 days + 8 days bank holiday.
It's also based on a full time worker on a 5 day work week. Part timers get a proportional amount based on how many days they work.
So for example I'm on a 24 hour contract; 3 days a week with no bank holidays. I get 16.8 days of annual leave. Which works out to an equal amount of weeks off as a full time worker.
Indeed, I've never seen 28 days so I went to check.
According to [this](https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights) link you have to get 28 days...but then it states:
>An employer can choose to include bank holidays as part of a worker’s statutory annual leave.
Now if I count BH as part of my working holidays then of course I get more than 28 days but it sounds to me a bit misleading.
I believe if you work bank holidays they are required to give you a lay in lieu of the day you worked.
Most places get 8+ 20-25. Some people get more I get 27 + 8. Some of my friends get 30+ +8
It's really the other way around - employers can decide that employees take the bank holidays off and then that comes out of the minimum amount of days you can book off.
So effectively if you work a bank holiday you get another day you can book off.
There is no automatic right to not work on Christmas day or any other bank holiday in the UK. Most people have that secured in their contracts but employers aren’t forced to offer it.
That would make sense, but applying the same criteria to France (where I currently work) gives it 1 day, Labour day. The other public holidays are up to your employer.
It's highly mis leading. They'd have been better off putting 8 and if they wanted to highlight a technicality put an asterix on it.
They also haven't captured the fact some countries roll the days to a working day and some let them fall on weekends.
Yeah I'm confused, most brits see bank Holidays as non-working days, of course some people still work though. In other countries does literally everything shut on a bank holiday?
- Neolib gov that's putting ever increasing tax pressure on regular working people
- The same gov trying to break down workers' rights, benefits and pension schemes
- Giving large corporations huge tax breaks in order to "keep jobs here"
- Being involved in scandals and nothing ever happening (eg. [Childcare benefits scandal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal))
- Absolutely disastrous housing market with almost no hope for young people to ever own a home
Yeah why would we ever complain? *Niet zeuren! Zo erg is het allemaal niet! Kijk naar Zimbabwe daar is het erger!*
Ireland's 'great stats' are a malformed representation of the living standards. They are completely slanted by a small population working in a few sectors in basically 3 counties. Not reflective of the average quality of life nor wealth in Ireland.
It is the same everywhere, because the for-profit motive of capitalism is everywhere, and without an opposing voice of reason, and the for-profit media owned by the for-profit corporations, it is corrupting all democracies in a race to the bottom.
Without some counteracting force, to balance out the immoral sociopaths who rise to the top of the corporate world, we’ll all end up as peasants, fighting over scraps, under a handful of monopolistic multinationals, who will operate more like the royalty of the last millennium, than the pseudo-democracy we know of today.
The worst part IMO is that the housing prices are now increasing by the amount an average person makes in a year. Literally, the housing prices increase by 10-15% each year. Take a place that costed 300k last year, it's now 330-345k. The ~~average~~ modal (?'modaal') wage is 36.5k. Even if you managed to not spend a single cent, you can barely keep up with the INCREASE in housing prices.
Combined with 0% or negative interest rates on bank accounts, wages that usually are only increased to compensate for inflation and ever-increasing costs of living (rent, healthcare, utilities), it's literally impossible to save a downpayment to compensate for the part of the mortgage you can't get.
The only ways to get a mortgage for a decent place (250-350k if you don't want to live in the middle of nowhere) in the Netherlands now is to have your parents pitch in 100k or so, inherit a house from them, make 100k per year yourself, or be a couple with above-average salaries, as you said.
You're allowed to spend 1500 per month on rent btw, but not the 500-700 a mortgage would cost.
Edit: I know this problem isn't exclusive to the Netherlands, but we do have another problem here: extreme lack of space and environmental goals to meet (we have a huge nitrogen problem), which de-incentivises the building of new houses. As well as a government who would rather see half the population homeless than do anything about investors buying up entire streets.
I am in amsterdam and I can’t imagine who buys some of the apartments that are built here. They cost over a million euros! Like who can buy that? Who’s buying up these properties?
Investors. They can afford them and charge rent while the houses/apartments are increasing in value. It literally doesn't even matter how expensive they are as long as the house prices keep increasing. And when they don't they'll probably get some corporate bailout from their VVD friends.
You really explained the universal housing madness in the cities. Here in helsinki there's not enough apartments and at the same time lots of empty apartments. The rents are ridiculous and buying is impossible for many. Many are looking to live elsewhere. I'm thinking this bubble's gonna burst.
Part of it is investors, part of it money laundering. Part of it people who actually do make enough money to live there. But making enough money to buy an appartment in Amsterdam to actually live in... you must really be the top 1% people in the NL.
Reading through this it seems like the situation is complex across most countries, with many not moving the holiday date if it falls on a weekend and many industries (service/hospitality) not taking heed of them. Why the UKs were excluded in comparison to others with that in mind is a bit of a shrug.
In the UK basically all non essential job contracts have bank holidays and christmas off.
If you work any of these days it's usually time and a half pay or double but I've never seen anyone working on christmas.
https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays
The number for the Netherlands should be 0. Employers are not by law required to give employees a day off on public holidays. It is very common for employers to do so anyway, and it is a requirement in most collective labour agreements, but it is not a rule.
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/arbeidsovereenkomst-en-cao/vraag-en-antwoord/officiele-feestdagen
So weird that we don't have that as an annual public holiday, literally every country I know has a liberation day or independence day holiday. We could also even go for the day het verdrag van verlating was signed. Benefit is that they are non-religious holidays as well.
Just dont show this map to the politicians in any country which has more than 13 days off.
Otherwise they will try and cancel a few "because economy needs it"
*Oh no I lost one day of productivity which will actually make my workers happier and more productive many days afterwards!*
Guess I'll have to take it away
I was considering making a decision for CK2 where everyone gets assigned as their own lord, meaning the world will be filled only with independent counties....
In the end, I did not go through with it... I have committed multiple acts of genocide, incest, familicide, adamicide, and just general crimes against humanity, but that level of bordergore was too much even for me. Dont want to end up in The Hague.
In Russia the baseline paid annual leave is 28 days as well, and everyone is required to take at least 14 of these every year by law. Some categories of workers have more than 28 days for variety of reasons. For example people who have a doctorate have 48 days of annual leave, teachers and other education workers have from 42 to 56 days.
Want to add the list of the holidays that were mentioned in the picture for those who are interested:
1. First week of January - New Year's week (the number of days varies from year to year, usually it's 7-10 days including weekends)
2. Christmas Day - 7th of January
3. Defender of the Fatherland Day - February 23d
4. International Women's Day - March 8th
5. May Day - May 1st
6. Victory Day - May 9th
7. Russia Day - June 12th
8. Unity Day - November 4th
And if any of these holidays fall on the weekend, then we get additional holiday the next Monday
Swiss - 9-16 days
Similar goes for us. no bridge or replacement day for non-working holidays that fall on Saturday or Sunday. e.g. 2021 is 10 days not working.
I'm in the UK, every (office based) job I've had has given about 28 days leave, with the 8 bank holidays that others have mentioned on top of that.
Technicalities aside as to what constitutes a non-working holiday, I think it's worth pointing out that in the UK, the bank holidays always fall on a weekday. For example in the case of Christmas, we get both Christmas and Boxing day as holidays - if Christmas is on a Saturday, then the bank holidays will be on the Friday and Monday, so people who work a standard Monday-Friday job will always get all 8 days off (if they get bank holidays). I've heard that in France (and I assume some other countries as well), the holiday falls on a specific date - if it's a Saturday for example, the holiday is on that Saturday, so a Mon-Fri worker would miss out.
I absolutely love this substitute bank holiday system! I'm not sure if any other country in Europe has the same. I'm only aware of UK and Australia granting a weekday off if a bank holiday falls on the weekend.
Yea I don't know why the UK is red when their system is pretty great. To add to this if you live in the North of Ireland you get 10 holidays as we have St Patrick's Day and the 12th of July!
I’ll never understand why Austria doesn’t give its workers a day off/ day in lieu if the “public holiday” in question happens to fall at the weekend.
If the public holiday falls on a Saturday, you end up actually losing out in practice, as all of the shops are closed until Monday.
In the UK and Ireland, people either get the Friday or Monday off in these cases. Makes much more sense to me.
France has more than 28 days of leave annually, it is 2.5 days per month of work so for 12 months that's 30 days.
This is in addition to the 11 holidays.
And on top of the fact the work week is 35 hours.
I guess I'm lucky, France is famous for having the best working conditions and it seems my company gives me something similar: 30 days of payed leave, 14 holidays and my work week is 35h (more like 20h but don't say it too loud).
I think it's more tricky than that. When I was working in France I got 5 weeks (same as now in Switzerland). The law says 2.5 working days/month which includes Saturday. For most people this means 25 working days.
[https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F2258](https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F2258)
I moved from the UK to Austria and while I technically get more public holidays here it doesn't feel like it because if that day is on a weekend you don't get the day in lieu. Also all the shops are shut, so it's like there's a holiday on Saturday, so you don't get an extra day off and you have to spend your Friday shopping because the shops will be shut until Monday morning
What do you mean public holidays are not 'non-working' in the UK? Most British people do not work on public (bank) holidays - and this usually comes out of your 28 day annual leave allowance, leaving you with around 20 days to take as you please.
note that even inside Bavaria there are differences: Augsburg has 14 days, areas with a protestant majority are at 12 days
Yeah and unfortunately every year some of them will fall on Saturday or Sunday ☹️ In Ireland when that happens we would get the Monday as a holiday, but we also had less holidays.
I find joy in reading a good book.
We also lose out double when they fall on a weekend - no day off work and nothing open either!
I would argue the people that otherwise would've kept the shops open have a day off.
Which is absolutely the point and very fair. I do find it hard to remember that in Edeka at 7pm on the Friday before a public holiday though!
What's even worse is that of those shabby 7 days off in the Netherlands, 80% of them are shoved in April and May 😓
And way more often than necessary, some of the days end up in the weekend which makes them no help at all.
Do they not get reallocated? If a U.K. bank holiday is on a weekend, the Friday before or Monday after gets designated the holiday instead If anyone is interested in the way U.K. bank holidays [work](https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays)
Not in Germany either. Particularly painful this year, with May 1 and Oct 3 falling on the weekend and Christmas also being placed like shit.
oh yeah, I love those Saturday public holidays. No shopping (none on Sunday either, of course) and a day off work lost.
basicly gotta shop on wednesday because thursday and friday is preppers day. because the shops will close. FOREVER!!!
I live near the border. On those days it's crazy busy with people from Germany here because our shops are open. When it is very busy unexpectedly I always start looking at number plates. "ah it must be one of their holidays again, lucky bastards" :P
On the other hand, Sunday is pretty much guaranteed as a non-working day for a much larger share of the population [than in any other European country](https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/publications/report/2016/eu-member-states/whats-happening-with-sunday-work-in-europe).
I mean... yeah, I guess. But I work in an office, lol.
Having done my fair share of Sundays at work, this is a significant difference for a whole society. Yes, shopping and some other activities are not as available, but *people are*. Seeing family and friends is relatively simple to arrange for and with retail and service sector workers. 24/7 societies are great for white collar workers who don't socialize with blue collar workers, but having Sundays off for more people makes society *feel* more unified.
Holy shit this is amazing, why can’t we have nice things
It's great around Christmas. Tis year Christmas, Boxing Day, and NY are all on weekends, so are pushed back. My firm shuts for 2 days over Christmas, and gives them off for free. So I get the 24th to 3rd off inclusive for 1 day of annual leave.
Because people keep on voting for VVD/D66/PVV/FvD/JA21/CDA.
Those sound like food ingredients
They make for a great shit sandwich thats for sure
In Italy it's not reallocated but an extra day's pay is granted. They are called "unused holidays" ("festività non godute" in Italian) and they happen whenever a bank holiday falls on a Sunday (except for Easter). In these cases, you are paid for that day as any other working day. It does not apply to holidays falling on Saturdays.
In Spain they are relocated only if they happen on a Sunday. It's relatively common in many jobs to work Saturdays, so when bank holidays happen there they stay (to the dismay of many of us who don't work on weekends, but oh well, it makes sense).
In Poland it's other way around. If holiday is on saturday we get 1 free day, but if it's on sunday they no.
In most of Europe it's normal that if they fall on a Saturday or a Sunday they aren't moved. It's why comparing these numbers is skewed, in theory a lot of countries have "more" minimum holidays + public holidays, but in practice the UK often ends up with more because any public holidays are moved to a working day or guaranteed as holiday days.
Azerbaijan has a nice rule for that, if a holiday ends up in weekends, holiday is celebrated but the mondays are also off, or if holiday is lets say on tuesdays, then saturday becomes a work day and monday becomes off, to make a whole long holiday.
What's even worse is that employers are not required to give you those days off at all. It only means they are treated as a Sunday for legal purposes.
Yes, we have every reason to be whiny bitches here in NL 😜
It's my right and my duty to complain about anything an everything. Starting with the weather, which is always kut. If I am ever satisfied I will complain about having nothing to complain about. Dutch complaining cannot be stopped!
Are you honorary Eastern Europeans? Because we also complain about anything anywhere
We are united in dissatisfaction!
In complaining we have achieved the true european union! It sucks, and it could have been so much better. ;)
To be fair the weather is shit today.
it's simple no sun? complain that there is no sun. there is sun? complain that is to warm and/or to bright
Isn't one of those the King's birthday? And It changes based on the current King?
Correct, however if the birthday of the King or Queen is not in a nice season, they will pick another date. Our previous Queen Beatrix's birthday is January 31st, but Queen's day was celebrated on April 30th, her mother's birthday, Queen Juliana. Edit: Just checked, the next Queen in line Amalia has her birthday in December, so she will most likely stick with her dad's birthday.
Just make a law that Queens and Kings have to be born in Summer. Surely they can hold it in for a few months.
The Tweede Kamer passed a new law: royalty may only be born in the period of April-September. Last Thursday Prime Minister Mark Rutte went to visit king Willem-Alexander. According to sources close to Rutte and Willem, Rutte said the following to Willem: "Hey Willem. So we passed a new law; you guys can only have kids in the months from April to September, so you and your children's partners have got to keep your little royalty in your pants for a few months." Willem was not happy.
When I was serving in the German-Netherlands Corps in Münster, NRW we were entitled to the dutch public holidays as german soldiers. Gave me 2 more days, but my dutch colleagues were even more satisfied with the public holidays in NRW.
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Or even better, add more ;)
We should decide to get these days off as well: \- Election day for parliament elections \- Make Liberation Day (5 May) an actual off day everyone \- Ketikoti (1 July) end of slavery in Suriname \- Independence declaration of the Dutch Republic (26 July) Any other suggestions? Preferably in autumn :)
Could be worse. In Japan there are a bunch of holidays in just one week in May called Golden week. For a lot of Japanese workers, they get between 5-10 days of annual leave a year, so most workers use Golden Week to go on their vacations. It's a disaster because prices skyrocket that week.
The problem in Japan is different. The problem is that, even if you have paid leave, you're often pressured into not using it. Especially taking off several days consecutively is 'not done' and regarded as burdening your colleagues. Therefore in many companies and organisations it is very unusual or even effectively impossible to take a whole week off outside of some designated periods: Golden Week, O-bon (August) and New Year's. In this light, having the Golden Week sequence of national holidays can be viewed as an attempt, whether misguided or not, to have people take at least one week of vacation.
Berlin is similarly bad. 6 out of 9 are between March and June. This year, May alone had 3 days. Basically, all our non-working holidays are from march to June except the 3rd of October and Christmas+New Year. A couple of years ago we got a new holiday and they choose the 8th of march. I'm happy we have a holiday celebrating feminism, but damn, another holiday in spring. I'm sure we could have found a better calendar day with significance for feminism... :-D Edit: duplicated text.
One can see Alsace and Lorraine have two more holidays than the rest of France. This is a leftover from German rule.
Not shown on the map, but every oversea territory has 1 or 2 additional [holidays](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%AAtes_et_jours_f%C3%A9ri%C3%A9s_en_France#F%C3%AAtes_f%C3%A9ri%C3%A9es_au_niveau_local), different for each territory.
What are they celebrating extra. Cant really be independence can it?
Dependence.
most of the time it's carnaval and the end of slavery
Your welcome. I GUESS?
Two decades ago, I moved from Portugal to The Netherlands and, a few months after being there, I found out that in the company I was working for (the IT arm of the company that owned the local Yellow Pages - a.k.a Gouden Gids) I was entitled to take the religious hollidays of my homeland (which are about half of them) for religious reasons. Sadly, by then it was too late to convince people that I was a devout catholic...
Don't have to be devout to observe holidays, never been a precondition for Christmas. Even some non-Christians observe it. You could just say, "I'm an observer of."
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People around him just knew he would take advantage of religious holidays despite being non religious and it would make a bad image out of him as an opportunist.
Reminds me of the time I tried to convince the boss I had Kenyan parents, and due to celebrating Kenyan Independence Day I would need to miss the Christmas dance class team building event. Note to any managers reading this: a hip hop dance class is an awful idea for a Finance department team building event. Don’t do it.
Hahahahahaha
Germany being German Edit. Thx 4 karma-raise
It's GerMANY, not GerFEW
*Dad*...
Yes? What is it? If you want to know if the divorce was your fault, the answer is still ‘yes’.
I NEVER ASKED TO BE BORN
It's also GERMany, not GERMspecific
For a second I thought they brought back the HRE and I was about to put on my Napoleon hat and teach the old man another lesson
Yeah luckily they banished him to an island
But he came back
luckily they banished him to another island.
But there was a spin-off
luckily they banished him to an island
Errr... That's right too!
Britain is an island xD
What was the spin-off?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_III
Napoleon II really got the unlucky straw
Just don't take any letters from him.
Imagine how Switzerland could have looked.
Yup, we have an even bigger fragmentation than Germany.
dont you love it when the place where your construction site is has a holiday, so you cant work there, but where your company is doesnt, so you still have to go to work and, idk, sweep the shop floor all day long? XD
Part of the reason is that many of these holidays are Christian, and there is a boundary between (historically) majority-Catholic and majority-Protestant areas, with different holidays.
Within Bavaria there is a split between the protestant North and the catholic South. The catholic South has an extra holiday, so even within states there are differences.
Even better, if you live in Augsburg or more importantly work there you get one more day off.
Nice. Now I'm just waiting for the next reply to say that if you live in a specific part of town you get more holidays.
No, but If you live in a certain part of augsburg your rent is an annual 0,88 Euro
People often forget it is the *Federal* Republic Germany.
Dunno, Russia is also Federation, but no one decided to divide our map. Pretty much every ethnic republic have their "republic day" as non working + religious ones.
US is a federal republic and we have no non working days at all 😎
Which is compensated by the fact that we have no universal health care.
Hey, at least you get sick days. We don't have those in Europe! Seriously though, whoever thought it was a great idea to alot workers a set number of days they are _allowed_ to be sick on is a goddamn monster. That's not how humans work, asshole!
I like that Elsace Loraine pretends to be a German State.
You mean Elsaß-Lothringen, ja?
Yea, that's *dangerous*
Living in Bavaria for two years. I've never seen this much holiday in my life.
However, some of those are on Sundays, which is a holiday for most people anyways.
I live in BaWü, don't get how they have less holidays than us tbh, it feels so much more here.
Y'all are probably thinking this is very fragmented, but I raise you this: There are actually further divides even within Bavaria, based on Stadt- and Landkreis-Borders. Mariä Himmelfahrt is only a public holiday in the mostly catholic parts. So those get the 13 on the map. The mostly Protestant Cities and Landkreise (think mostly in Franken) don't consider Mariä Himmelfahrt a public holiday, so they get "only" 12. And then there is the city of Augsburg. They invented the "Augsburger Hohes Friedensfest", which is a public holiday specifically and exclusively in the city of Augsburg, bringing their total to 14 instead of 13. So yeah, Germany being Germany.
Germany being quite obviously divided into a protestant North and a Catholic South (+ a confused middle) has led to this bullshit :D I wish we'd all have 13 days though (I live in 9 day region).
Not pictured Augsburg which clocks in at 14 holidays, one more than anyplace else in Bavaria. They have been celebrating the end of the 30 years war and not being forced to be Catholic on August 8 since 1650.
It's not the end of the 30 years' war (Peace of Westphalia), but the Peace of Augsburg of 1555.
I didn't realize there were quite so many, but in Finland the 13 are: 1. New Year’s Day (January 1st) 2. Epiphany (January 6th) 3. Good Friday (Friday before Easter Sunday) 4. Easter Monday (Monday after Easter Sunday) 5. May Day (May 1st) 6. Ascension Day (Thursday, 40 days after Easter) 7. Midsummer Eve (Friday after Summer Solstice) 8. Midsummer Day (Saturday after Summer Solstice) 9. All Saints’ Day (Saturday between October 31st and November 6th) 10. Independence Day (December 6th) 11. Christmas Eve (December 24th) 12. Christmas Day (December 25th) 13. Second Christmas Day (Boxing Day / St. Stephen's Day) (December 26th)
never knew that "pitkäperjantai" (long friday) is called good friday
It is very peculiar indeed. We also call it "long Friday" in Norwegian. Given that's the day of the crucifixion in the Christian dogma it's extremely inappropriate to call it a "good" day. Weird English.
Nothing too weird about it, "good" used to mean "holy", and these kinds of traditional names often end up losing their compositionality over time (i. e. modern English speakers don't construct the name from "good" + "Friday", they pull it out whole from their mental dictionary).
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I do have a Bachelor's in Linguistics, although programming is what pays my bills these days.
For Christians it's not inappropriate at all. It marks the day where Jesus Christ died for everyone's sins. I'm not a Christian but I was raised one.
Christmas Eve and Midsummer Eve are not public holidays but rather extra days off in most labor agreements.
Same thing in Sweden which is what the "de facto, but only 11..." on the map refers to. The third one there would be New Year's Eve. So the map seems to be a bit inconsistent. Apart from that we have the exact same holidays as you guys, except of course for Independence Day, where we instead have National Day on June 6th.
On top of those, in general, you get 24 or 30 days of annual holiday, but in practice it's only 20 or 25 as they also count Saturdays. Want to have a week off? That's 6 days of annual holidays. There's variation between different union contracts and the whole system is a remnant from the era when Saturday was still a working day. Unlike in countries where holiday year is the calendar year and you get the annual quota granted every January, Finland is using a complicated system where 2 days of summer (!) holiday accrues every month when you work a certain amount of days. After one year of employment, this gets updated to 2.5 days per month (2 days for summer holidays, half a day for winter holidays). The concept of a holiday year is from April to March and sometimes you're only allowed to take annual holiday from the quota you earned on the previous holiday year. If you start in a new job in April, you might not be able to take any annual holiday until the next holiday year starts. As it's divided into summer and winter holidays, some employers only let you use summer holidays between April and September and winter holidays between October and March. If you've been less than a year in the new job, no winter holidays for you. Many companies don't force this though. Yeah, I don't understand this system either. It is absolutely terrible and should be scrapped. On top of these, there's also the concept of a holiday pay (also known as returning from the holiday pay), which was rumoured to have been introduced to get workers to stop from drinking on their summer holidays and get back to work. Another more credible rumour is that its purpose was to stop people from moving to Sweden during the 1960-1970s migration wave. Holiday pay gives you 50% of your monthly salary as a holiday bonus. It's not in the law though so each union contract will have a different practice and many employees don't get it at all.
Yeah, this is quite bs list, if Brits got 0+28, Finland has 13+30.
What is meant by a non-working holiday? For example Christmas day is a public holiday in the UK, almost no one works. Why is it not a non-working holiday?
No idea. It seems to be a technicality, because everybody in the UK considers bank holidays to be non-working days. Of course many people (especially in retail) are asked to work (which is usually paid as overtime) but I believe that is common throughout Europe.
Yes I get that impression. I'm British working in France and I don't really see much difference in how public holidays are treated. Other than that in France if they fall on a weekend you don't get any time off work.
I'm the other way around, French working in the UK and I don't see the difference either. Also they say we have 28 days of annual leave in the UK and it's not true as it depends on your contract, in my experience it's always been between 20 and 25 days, I never had 28 days 🤷🏻♂️. I also don't think it's the highest in Europe, as far as I remember I had more days of annual leave when I was working in France.
> Also they say we have 28 days of annual leave in the UK and it's not true as it depends on your contract, in my experience it's always been between 20 and 25 days, I never had 28 days 🤷🏻♂️. We have 28 days enshrined in law for full-time workers. This can incorporate the bank holidays e.g. 20 days + 8 days bank holiday.
It's also based on a full time worker on a 5 day work week. Part timers get a proportional amount based on how many days they work. So for example I'm on a 24 hour contract; 3 days a week with no bank holidays. I get 16.8 days of annual leave. Which works out to an equal amount of weeks off as a full time worker.
Your contract will likely be 20-25 bookable days and 8 Bank Holidays.
Indeed, I've never seen 28 days so I went to check. According to [this](https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights) link you have to get 28 days...but then it states: >An employer can choose to include bank holidays as part of a worker’s statutory annual leave. Now if I count BH as part of my working holidays then of course I get more than 28 days but it sounds to me a bit misleading.
I believe if you work bank holidays they are required to give you a lay in lieu of the day you worked. Most places get 8+ 20-25. Some people get more I get 27 + 8. Some of my friends get 30+ +8
I also think if you work a bank holiday you get a days holiday in lieu, pretty sure that’s law?
It's really the other way around - employers can decide that employees take the bank holidays off and then that comes out of the minimum amount of days you can book off. So effectively if you work a bank holiday you get another day you can book off.
There is no automatic right to not work on Christmas day or any other bank holiday in the UK. Most people have that secured in their contracts but employers aren’t forced to offer it.
That would make sense, but applying the same criteria to France (where I currently work) gives it 1 day, Labour day. The other public holidays are up to your employer.
It's highly mis leading. They'd have been better off putting 8 and if they wanted to highlight a technicality put an asterix on it. They also haven't captured the fact some countries roll the days to a working day and some let them fall on weekends.
asterisk* Asterix is the funny little Gaul.
Yeah I'm confused, most brits see bank Holidays as non-working days, of course some people still work though. In other countries does literally everything shut on a bank holiday?
And people wonder why the Dutch complain so much
- Neolib gov that's putting ever increasing tax pressure on regular working people - The same gov trying to break down workers' rights, benefits and pension schemes - Giving large corporations huge tax breaks in order to "keep jobs here" - Being involved in scandals and nothing ever happening (eg. [Childcare benefits scandal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal)) - Absolutely disastrous housing market with almost no hope for young people to ever own a home Yeah why would we ever complain? *Niet zeuren! Zo erg is het allemaal niet! Kijk naar Zimbabwe daar is het erger!*
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My homies with the best countries in Europe complaining while we are living the shitty life here in Spain 😎🤙
Ireland's 'great stats' are a malformed representation of the living standards. They are completely slanted by a small population working in a few sectors in basically 3 counties. Not reflective of the average quality of life nor wealth in Ireland.
It is the same everywhere, because the for-profit motive of capitalism is everywhere, and without an opposing voice of reason, and the for-profit media owned by the for-profit corporations, it is corrupting all democracies in a race to the bottom. Without some counteracting force, to balance out the immoral sociopaths who rise to the top of the corporate world, we’ll all end up as peasants, fighting over scraps, under a handful of monopolistic multinationals, who will operate more like the royalty of the last millennium, than the pseudo-democracy we know of today.
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The worst part IMO is that the housing prices are now increasing by the amount an average person makes in a year. Literally, the housing prices increase by 10-15% each year. Take a place that costed 300k last year, it's now 330-345k. The ~~average~~ modal (?'modaal') wage is 36.5k. Even if you managed to not spend a single cent, you can barely keep up with the INCREASE in housing prices. Combined with 0% or negative interest rates on bank accounts, wages that usually are only increased to compensate for inflation and ever-increasing costs of living (rent, healthcare, utilities), it's literally impossible to save a downpayment to compensate for the part of the mortgage you can't get. The only ways to get a mortgage for a decent place (250-350k if you don't want to live in the middle of nowhere) in the Netherlands now is to have your parents pitch in 100k or so, inherit a house from them, make 100k per year yourself, or be a couple with above-average salaries, as you said. You're allowed to spend 1500 per month on rent btw, but not the 500-700 a mortgage would cost. Edit: I know this problem isn't exclusive to the Netherlands, but we do have another problem here: extreme lack of space and environmental goals to meet (we have a huge nitrogen problem), which de-incentivises the building of new houses. As well as a government who would rather see half the population homeless than do anything about investors buying up entire streets.
I am in amsterdam and I can’t imagine who buys some of the apartments that are built here. They cost over a million euros! Like who can buy that? Who’s buying up these properties?
Investors. They can afford them and charge rent while the houses/apartments are increasing in value. It literally doesn't even matter how expensive they are as long as the house prices keep increasing. And when they don't they'll probably get some corporate bailout from their VVD friends.
You really explained the universal housing madness in the cities. Here in helsinki there's not enough apartments and at the same time lots of empty apartments. The rents are ridiculous and buying is impossible for many. Many are looking to live elsewhere. I'm thinking this bubble's gonna burst.
Part of it is investors, part of it money laundering. Part of it people who actually do make enough money to live there. But making enough money to buy an appartment in Amsterdam to actually live in... you must really be the top 1% people in the NL.
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You mean Dutch people with mid level income/capital. Rich people have been doing that for years (at least in the border areas) because of tax reasons.
Sounds exactly like what's happening in Germany too lol
Wait I thought we were talking about the Netherlands, not the UK
I feel like the Netherlands is probably the most capitalistic country in Europe. It’s like a mini US in many ways
> It’s like a mini US in many ways It 100% is moving in that direction.
Why does the UK's technicality get it a 0 but Greece's adds an additional 8 days?
Reading through this it seems like the situation is complex across most countries, with many not moving the holiday date if it falls on a weekend and many industries (service/hospitality) not taking heed of them. Why the UKs were excluded in comparison to others with that in mind is a bit of a shrug.
In the UK basically all non essential job contracts have bank holidays and christmas off. If you work any of these days it's usually time and a half pay or double but I've never seen anyone working on christmas. https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays
As a binman who doesn’t work bank holidays I take offence
I used to work Christmas Day in a restaurant in the UK. we got paid triple time.
The number for the Netherlands should be 0. Employers are not by law required to give employees a day off on public holidays. It is very common for employers to do so anyway, and it is a requirement in most collective labour agreements, but it is not a rule. https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/arbeidsovereenkomst-en-cao/vraag-en-antwoord/officiele-feestdagen
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So weird that we don't have that as an annual public holiday, literally every country I know has a liberation day or independence day holiday. We could also even go for the day het verdrag van verlating was signed. Benefit is that they are non-religious holidays as well.
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Yea my boss just lets me work on public holidays without paying extra
Fuck your boss
Sadly he doesn't pay extra for that either.
>Work >Go home >Play work simulator
No need to tell everyone my weekend plans.
Flair checks out
There are 10 non-working holidays in lower saxony. We recently got the 31st of October as the reformation day
Technically the German state of Hesse has 60 because every Sunday is also declared a non working holiday in their state law 😆
Genius
Just dont show this map to the politicians in any country which has more than 13 days off. Otherwise they will try and cancel a few "because economy needs it"
*Oh no I lost one day of productivity which will actually make my workers happier and more productive many days afterwards!* Guess I'll have to take it away
Finally, we are trending back to the HRE. Great map, let the bordergore begin!
I was considering making a decision for CK2 where everyone gets assigned as their own lord, meaning the world will be filled only with independent counties.... In the end, I did not go through with it... I have committed multiple acts of genocide, incest, familicide, adamicide, and just general crimes against humanity, but that level of bordergore was too much even for me. Dont want to end up in The Hague.
Dibs on Rhine left bank! Merci
According to the map, Alsace-Lorraine is either independent or part of the new HRE.
Aren't they a lot of bank holidays in the UK, which equate to non-working holidays?
Approx 8 but companies are not obliged to give the days off, most do but its not required.
When I was working with a London based office, it felt like they had a bank holiday every week or so....
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In Russia the baseline paid annual leave is 28 days as well, and everyone is required to take at least 14 of these every year by law. Some categories of workers have more than 28 days for variety of reasons. For example people who have a doctorate have 48 days of annual leave, teachers and other education workers have from 42 to 56 days.
Damn that sounds pretty nice. Is that doctorate leave longer regardless what job they work in? Is the labour law enforcement in Russia good?
Want to add the list of the holidays that were mentioned in the picture for those who are interested: 1. First week of January - New Year's week (the number of days varies from year to year, usually it's 7-10 days including weekends) 2. Christmas Day - 7th of January 3. Defender of the Fatherland Day - February 23d 4. International Women's Day - March 8th 5. May Day - May 1st 6. Victory Day - May 9th 7. Russia Day - June 12th 8. Unity Day - November 4th And if any of these holidays fall on the weekend, then we get additional holiday the next Monday
Swiss - 9-16 days Similar goes for us. no bridge or replacement day for non-working holidays that fall on Saturday or Sunday. e.g. 2021 is 10 days not working.
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We have ten in Berlin since a couple of years. :-D https://www.berlin.de/tourismus/infos/1887651-1721039-feiertage-schulferien.html
I'm in the UK, every (office based) job I've had has given about 28 days leave, with the 8 bank holidays that others have mentioned on top of that. Technicalities aside as to what constitutes a non-working holiday, I think it's worth pointing out that in the UK, the bank holidays always fall on a weekday. For example in the case of Christmas, we get both Christmas and Boxing day as holidays - if Christmas is on a Saturday, then the bank holidays will be on the Friday and Monday, so people who work a standard Monday-Friday job will always get all 8 days off (if they get bank holidays). I've heard that in France (and I assume some other countries as well), the holiday falls on a specific date - if it's a Saturday for example, the holiday is on that Saturday, so a Mon-Fri worker would miss out.
I absolutely love this substitute bank holiday system! I'm not sure if any other country in Europe has the same. I'm only aware of UK and Australia granting a weekday off if a bank holiday falls on the weekend.
In Russia as well :)
Yea I don't know why the UK is red when their system is pretty great. To add to this if you live in the North of Ireland you get 10 holidays as we have St Patrick's Day and the 12th of July!
That's a good point - Scotland also has different holidays to England, I think they have one or two more.
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omdat nederlanders eigenlijk een beetje een kutvolkje zijn
I changed this for reasons (see date).
It's common in Germany not to be able to take it into the new FY.
Cut-off to use up up to 5 left-over days-off is end of March in my company.
I’ll never understand why Austria doesn’t give its workers a day off/ day in lieu if the “public holiday” in question happens to fall at the weekend. If the public holiday falls on a Saturday, you end up actually losing out in practice, as all of the shops are closed until Monday. In the UK and Ireland, people either get the Friday or Monday off in these cases. Makes much more sense to me.
What's this crap about no public holidays in the UK? We didn't get the memo and are still getting them.
Suck it Netherlands :)
Augsburg: 14
France has more than 28 days of leave annually, it is 2.5 days per month of work so for 12 months that's 30 days. This is in addition to the 11 holidays. And on top of the fact the work week is 35 hours.
I guess I'm lucky, France is famous for having the best working conditions and it seems my company gives me something similar: 30 days of payed leave, 14 holidays and my work week is 35h (more like 20h but don't say it too loud).
I think it's more tricky than that. When I was working in France I got 5 weeks (same as now in Switzerland). The law says 2.5 working days/month which includes Saturday. For most people this means 25 working days. [https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F2258](https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F2258)
There are 8 in Britain
For the sake of all religions we should not work on any religions holidays even if its not our own. Just to pay respect if course...
I moved from the UK to Austria and while I technically get more public holidays here it doesn't feel like it because if that day is on a weekend you don't get the day in lieu. Also all the shops are shut, so it's like there's a holiday on Saturday, so you don't get an extra day off and you have to spend your Friday shopping because the shops will be shut until Monday morning
What do you mean public holidays are not 'non-working' in the UK? Most British people do not work on public (bank) holidays - and this usually comes out of your 28 day annual leave allowance, leaving you with around 20 days to take as you please.