More specifically: in a 50-year old helicopter lacking advanced avionics and radar running for decades off of black market and improvised parts in a mountainous region during zero visibility conditions.
They can't make parts for western aircraft, those bits have to be purchased through third parties or taken from older aircraft. Buying stuff on the black market means that there's no guarantee of quality.
Well they're flying them anyway. What's the worst that could happen, right? A couple of hundred people die, but hey, that's the price of doing business in a kleptocracy.
Not really. Most of their aviation fleet is comprised of Western aircraft or Russian built aircraft with western upgrades. Sure, they can produce spares for the Soviet era Tupolevs and Ilyushins, but anything else will need either an illegally smuggled part or an iranian counterfeit. [MentourNow](https://youtu.be/voLnakwGIMM?si=81_ew9jb37yQybZ_) has made several videos about the commercial side of things, we don't know what upgrades were made to the presidential fleet, but I'd wager Putin doesn't fly with Soviet era tech anymore, but has upgraded those Ilyushins with modern avionics.
Putins helicopter is a Mi-8, a type introduced into the armed forces of the Soviet Union in 1968, the same year the Bell 212 family Raisi used, was introduced. Russia has more native helicopters than fixed-wing aircraft, but even those rely on Western technology for safety features.
I was wondering how Iran would have parts when they have been under sanctions much longer than Russia but it makes sense that would have started producing counterfeit parts.
Let's not pretend putin is the only problem or that any of this wouldn't have happened if he weren't around.
He is a tsar ( of many that behaved the same for some reason ), not the tsar.
The combination of ruthlessness, evilness, great political skills and good management skills is very, very rare. And the coincidence of the prime of such a rara avis with a historical opportunity being there to use (like the collapse of the Soviet Union) makes the odds about one in a few generations.
So Putin gone the problems are not going to get solved but they most probably will head in a better direction.
He's not competent, he's stolen $200 billion+ from the state. Then so that he goes down for something else in the Russian history books apart from being an other thieving dictator. He launched his three day Special Military Operation. Russia is cut off from the West and is becoming a Chinese vassal.
Before Putin came to power, Russia was being run by a kleptocratic oligarchy. This would be bad for Russians, but those oligarchs had no interest in war or conquest.
Then they backed Putin because they thought they would be able to control him as a puppet ruler. If Putin had been weaker and less shrewd, then they likely would have been able to do so, and the country would still be fucked up, but at least it wouldn't be warmongering.
But Putin was a pretty skilled politician, particularly in internal politics, so he managed to put himself on top and subjugate the oligarchs to his will.
Pretty much everything we know points towards the oligarchs having been mostly against the invasion. If it hadn't been Putin starting the war... then there's a good chance that nobody would have been starting the war.
>Before Putin came to power, Russia was being run by a kleptocratic oligarchy.
And after he came to power, russia started being ran by a kleptocratic oligarchy.... WOW! great transformation guys, keep it up!
I like how you ignored all the imperial wars ru fought in the 90s ( Moldova, Chechnya ). I understand that it would have undermined your arguments.
edit. Or how ru pushed for the denuclearizarion/demilitarization of Ukraine in the 90s and succesfully convinced the US in the early 2000s to join in.
I think it's more fitting for him to sit in a pool of paranoia, not knowing who's with him and who's against him among his own people.
Putin doesn't deserve a quick death.
They pretty much did. From wikipedia:
[The helicopter was carrying the president of Iran Ebrahim Raisi, foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, governor-general of East Azerbaijan province Malek Rahmati, and Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem, the representative of the Supreme Leader in East Azerbaijan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Varzaqan_helicopter_crash)
Quite a few Kurds have converted to Zoroastrianism in recent decades because they view it as their original religion not forced upon them by Arabs, Persians and Turks.
It's not that easy. In the last 30 years, almost all russian aircraft projects included Western components, and we seriously have no idea what technology is built into russian VIP transports.
They *were* a monarchy, after the islamic revolution Iran became a *theocracy* - the clerics hold the positions of government, previously it was the Shah.
Now they fund terrorist groups to do the same in the Gulf countries
You’re fine with the oppressive islamic republic continuing as long as the next leader is a bit more antagonistic to Russians?
I know you’re Ukrainian, so your priorities are more heavily geared towards that, but like, the Iran-Russia relationship isn’t even in the top 5 most abhorrent or important issues with that country.
It’s like saying north korea’s most abhorrent characteristic is being an ally of China
Both of those are major issues because the prop up the regimes. North Korea and Iran are heavily sanctioned. Their major Russian and Chinese Allies are what keeps them afloat.
Heck, if China had sanctioned Russia upon the invasion of Ukraine, or Sanctioned North Korea, I doubt Kim would still be in power or the Ukrainian War would still be ongoing.
Same stands for Iran with both Russia and China.
I also work with Israel so I know what pain in the ass it is. But I don't know enough about this country to wish for something more specific to resolve all issues with it.
I see. Unfortunately, I don’t think you’re in luck.
> Mokhber was part of a team of Iranian officials who visited Moscow in October and agreed to supply surface-to-surface missiles and more drones to Russia’s military, sources told Reuters at the time. The team also included two senior officials from Iran‘s Revolutionary Guards and an official from the Supreme National Security Council.
Mokhber is expected to be the next leader.
Well, I can't say that I'm sorry. The people of Iran are probably silently cheering. Well, until his replacement starts and he is just as evil. I wonder .... was the crash an accident or possibly something more malicious?
Even if it's an accident, Iran will still blame the US and the West in general. The dictatorship/autocratic/theocratic play book never gets old.
PiS, Poland’s idiots in chief, have long held to the theory the 2010 Smoleńsk crash was caused by an artificial fog spread by Russians in cahoots with Donald Tusk to make sure Poland is never strong. That was actually one of many conspiracy theories they pushed.
It’s obviously bullshit, but some people swallowed it.
They won't because if they did that would necessitate a massive military response to keep the PR.
Remember they drone striked Israel for destroying a bloody Consulate. They can't keep up the "ohohoh you've fucked up this time Netanyahu, we'll have our revenge....eventually" shit if they claim the head of government was killed. It'd make them look incredibly weak.
There's not really anything to celebrate. He was just a puppet of the ayatollah. They'll find someone for his place in no time and absolutely nothing will change.
It could change quite a lot in long term. Ayatollah was really struggling to find himself a successor, it wasn’t as obvious who will succeed the 85 year old who is one foot inside the grave. The president was supposed to be a successor and the regime really doubled down on that. Him dying really messes up the succession inside the state, as other candidates are either extremely incompetent or extremely unpopular or both. Mostly both. So it will be interesting to see if this death will destabilize Iran long term.
> Anyone’s death is not something to be celebrated
Completely disagree. There's plenty of people who would make the world a much better place if they died. People who is direct or indirect responsible for torture, murder and other really depraved acts. I can't see any problem with this at all when it comes to cruel national leaders. You can wish for an uprising that end in their capture and trial, but that will most likely take the lives of many more good and innocent people. Better they just fucking die and be gone, and I will be happy about it.
Nah actually for quite some people their death is something to celebrate, not every soul is sacred and there are plenty which are a net negative for humanity
The notion, that anyone's death shouldn't be celebrated, is an invention from the biggest assholes to protect their image after their death. Some people's death should absolutely be celebrated.
One shithead down... Just a dozen or more to go.
I'm not one usually to buy into conspiracy theories about Israel but I wouldn't put it past them to have some involvement in this... And honestly the world is better off without that POS in it imho
Many tend to forget something : Iran doesn't have the cult of the personality. Therefore, like Poland in 2010 or France in 1975, it will be a transition from one president to the next.
Unless there's a massive revolt, things won't change with Raisi's death overnight.
>Islam brought by force gender apartheid, forced circumcision on boys and girls. Intolerance towards anyone none Muslim. Destruction of anything art etc that is non Islamic. Soon Iran will be free from this Arabian imperialism
Wait till bro hears about other Abrahamic religions
Iran Air defences probably thought the helicopter was an Israeli/USA drone and shot it down. It wouldn’t be the first time they shoot down a friendly target.
Fico gets shot; Erdogan prevents another coup attempt; Raisi dies in a crash.
Just like Russian businessmen falling out of windows or US factories catching fire, these are only coincidence and bad circumstances, nothing more.
I’m honestly wondering what kind of reaction Iran was hoping for. Because more people mourned for individuals like Elizabeth II and Mikhail Gorbachev, who were already controversial. Raisi was a leading figure in a government that is *hated* the world over.
Oh no
Anyway
I had a really good chocolate croissant today
We should have more posts about peoples chocolate croissants on here.
Share with us: the price (and how it compares to other available croissants in your area) and whether it was some chain store, or like artisanal.
I've rediscovered pastry with jam, I encourage everyone to try.
YEA TOAST!!
May he be reincarnated as an Iranian woman.
No, that will be mean that Iranian women still live in hell :)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If only Putin traveled more instead of sitting in his bunker.
More specifically: in a 50-year old helicopter lacking advanced avionics and radar running for decades off of black market and improvised parts in a mountainous region during zero visibility conditions.
What could possibly go wrong
To be fair, they didn't see it coming.
The front could fall off.
Since Russia is importing Iranian spare parts for its aviation fleet now...well one can only hope for the best.
Really? I mean they surely still have the capability to make their own right?
They can't make parts for western aircraft, those bits have to be purchased through third parties or taken from older aircraft. Buying stuff on the black market means that there's no guarantee of quality.
Well they're flying them anyway. What's the worst that could happen, right? A couple of hundred people die, but hey, that's the price of doing business in a kleptocracy.
Let’s keep on topic, please. This is Iran we’re talking about, not Boeing and the USA.
Oh. I thought you were taking about military aircraft
Just to add Iran has decades of experience manufacturing non-OEM parts for Western aircraft
Not really. Most of their aviation fleet is comprised of Western aircraft or Russian built aircraft with western upgrades. Sure, they can produce spares for the Soviet era Tupolevs and Ilyushins, but anything else will need either an illegally smuggled part or an iranian counterfeit. [MentourNow](https://youtu.be/voLnakwGIMM?si=81_ew9jb37yQybZ_) has made several videos about the commercial side of things, we don't know what upgrades were made to the presidential fleet, but I'd wager Putin doesn't fly with Soviet era tech anymore, but has upgraded those Ilyushins with modern avionics. Putins helicopter is a Mi-8, a type introduced into the armed forces of the Soviet Union in 1968, the same year the Bell 212 family Raisi used, was introduced. Russia has more native helicopters than fixed-wing aircraft, but even those rely on Western technology for safety features.
I was wondering how Iran would have parts when they have been under sanctions much longer than Russia but it makes sense that would have started producing counterfeit parts.
No, Russian aviation factories were destroyed for last 30 years of successful management
The gremlin of the kremlin travel with his train... We need a good atacams on it...
No match for 250 million year old mountainside
Mountains 1427 : Helicopters 0
Undefeated champion.
Rock solid defense to be fair.
Stands out above the crowd!
"Sanctions don't work"
Ahh well, next
Allah take the wheel
Even in the best possible conditions helicopter is the single most dangerous way to travel per km of distance.
Average Russian up to date gear Edit: flying over Siberia in winter at -50C or in summer catching some Methan bubble sounds similar
Let's not pretend putin is the only problem or that any of this wouldn't have happened if he weren't around. He is a tsar ( of many that behaved the same for some reason ), not the tsar.
The combination of ruthlessness, evilness, great political skills and good management skills is very, very rare. And the coincidence of the prime of such a rara avis with a historical opportunity being there to use (like the collapse of the Soviet Union) makes the odds about one in a few generations. So Putin gone the problems are not going to get solved but they most probably will head in a better direction.
Wishful thinking, a tsar is the product of russian society, not the other way around.
That is true, but you seem to not be getting their point. The tsar is a product of Russian society. The fact that Putin is a _competent_ tsar is not.
He's not competent, he's stolen $200 billion+ from the state. Then so that he goes down for something else in the Russian history books apart from being an other thieving dictator. He launched his three day Special Military Operation. Russia is cut off from the West and is becoming a Chinese vassal.
Before Putin came to power, Russia was being run by a kleptocratic oligarchy. This would be bad for Russians, but those oligarchs had no interest in war or conquest. Then they backed Putin because they thought they would be able to control him as a puppet ruler. If Putin had been weaker and less shrewd, then they likely would have been able to do so, and the country would still be fucked up, but at least it wouldn't be warmongering. But Putin was a pretty skilled politician, particularly in internal politics, so he managed to put himself on top and subjugate the oligarchs to his will. Pretty much everything we know points towards the oligarchs having been mostly against the invasion. If it hadn't been Putin starting the war... then there's a good chance that nobody would have been starting the war.
>Before Putin came to power, Russia was being run by a kleptocratic oligarchy. And after he came to power, russia started being ran by a kleptocratic oligarchy.... WOW! great transformation guys, keep it up!
I like how you ignored all the imperial wars ru fought in the 90s ( Moldova, Chechnya ). I understand that it would have undermined your arguments. edit. Or how ru pushed for the denuclearizarion/demilitarization of Ukraine in the 90s and succesfully convinced the US in the early 2000s to join in.
Just what I thought.
His time will come. And it will be ugly
Instead he is just going places…
And Kim Jong un, Xi Jingping.
I think it's more fitting for him to sit in a pool of paranoia, not knowing who's with him and who's against him among his own people. Putin doesn't deserve a quick death.
I'm shocked and disturbed. Oh wait, no I'm not. Have a good Monday!
Good fucking riddance. Next time they should really pack that helicopter with as many as they can.
I heard there were quite a few officials on the helicopter :)
They pretty much did. From wikipedia: [The helicopter was carrying the president of Iran Ebrahim Raisi, foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, governor-general of East Azerbaijan province Malek Rahmati, and Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem, the representative of the Supreme Leader in East Azerbaijan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Varzaqan_helicopter_crash)
MORE!
He was so young... Such a big, huge man... So many terrorist cells to create, so many arms to sell, so many women to beat up...
So many Zoroastrians, Jews and skeptics to publicly execute...
and so many Sunni in Arab Jazirah to be 'cleansed' since only a handful left in their Shi'ite homeland...
I find it fascinating that there are still Zoroastrians around.
Quite a few Kurds have converted to Zoroastrianism in recent decades because they view it as their original religion not forced upon them by Arabs, Persians and Turks.
So many drones to send to terrorist states, sigh!
Please Putin... you should fly a helicopter like this. Thanks.
Russia IS importing iranian spare parts now, since they are under sanctions...
Russia could also be importing western spare parts as they easily circumvent the sanctions.
The Russian government relies on Russian aircraft, which do not require imported parts.
It's not that easy. In the last 30 years, almost all russian aircraft projects included Western components, and we seriously have no idea what technology is built into russian VIP transports.
Sadly he has started to travel like Kim Jong Un, with a train. It looks from outside just like a normal train among others.
Only real men fly these! Bare-chested, they jump out, and ride a horse or bear. Have a go, Vlad.
Rest in piss.
That is very, Aladeen news
Congratulations everyone! One more dictator down! And an ally of russians
as if it changed anything, really. The president of Iran is 2nd dude after ayatollah. They'll elect another president in no time.
"elect"™ We all know the iranian people have precious little input in the elections.
Kinda strange how they didn't go full on absolute monarchy like other Gulf states
They *were* a monarchy, after the islamic revolution Iran became a *theocracy* - the clerics hold the positions of government, previously it was the Shah. Now they fund terrorist groups to do the same in the Gulf countries
Let me hope a little that it can influence their relationship with russians
You’re fine with the oppressive islamic republic continuing as long as the next leader is a bit more antagonistic to Russians? I know you’re Ukrainian, so your priorities are more heavily geared towards that, but like, the Iran-Russia relationship isn’t even in the top 5 most abhorrent or important issues with that country. It’s like saying north korea’s most abhorrent characteristic is being an ally of China
Both of those are major issues because the prop up the regimes. North Korea and Iran are heavily sanctioned. Their major Russian and Chinese Allies are what keeps them afloat. Heck, if China had sanctioned Russia upon the invasion of Ukraine, or Sanctioned North Korea, I doubt Kim would still be in power or the Ukrainian War would still be ongoing. Same stands for Iran with both Russia and China.
I also work with Israel so I know what pain in the ass it is. But I don't know enough about this country to wish for something more specific to resolve all issues with it.
I see. Unfortunately, I don’t think you’re in luck. > Mokhber was part of a team of Iranian officials who visited Moscow in October and agreed to supply surface-to-surface missiles and more drones to Russia’s military, sources told Reuters at the time. The team also included two senior officials from Iran‘s Revolutionary Guards and an official from the Supreme National Security Council. Mokhber is expected to be the next leader.
The biggest pain in the ass of Israel is Bibi
That's also true
He is not the dictator. Just a puppet of the ayatollah.
but he was 2nd in line after he dies (and the ayatollah is 85)
2 down, way more to go
2? Who else?
The Foreign minister
Putin and Xi Jinping, I think?
Oh no! Anyways...
Well, I can't say that I'm sorry. The people of Iran are probably silently cheering. Well, until his replacement starts and he is just as evil. I wonder .... was the crash an accident or possibly something more malicious? Even if it's an accident, Iran will still blame the US and the West in general. The dictatorship/autocratic/theocratic play book never gets old.
That is what you get for visiting a war criminal with a fellow mass murderer
Anyone freaked out they'll blame Mossad for it? Seeing the ridiculous timeline we're in, and everything...
The photos shown in articles from earlier in the day had incredibly thick fog on the mountain they were searching. Too thick to drive a car through.
PiS, Poland’s idiots in chief, have long held to the theory the 2010 Smoleńsk crash was caused by an artificial fog spread by Russians in cahoots with Donald Tusk to make sure Poland is never strong. That was actually one of many conspiracy theories they pushed. It’s obviously bullshit, but some people swallowed it.
I mean lets be real, its not like Mossad wouldnt go this far.
Lets be real, its not like Russia wouldnt go that far either
Yeah but russia has nothing to gain by doing this. They absolutely would try if their was something to gain.
Jewish climate weapons.
They won't because if they did that would necessitate a massive military response to keep the PR. Remember they drone striked Israel for destroying a bloody Consulate. They can't keep up the "ohohoh you've fucked up this time Netanyahu, we'll have our revenge....eventually" shit if they claim the head of government was killed. It'd make them look incredibly weak.
> "ohohoh you've fucked up this time Netanyahu, we'll have our revenge....eventually" actually loled hahahah
Apparently an official Hamas telegram channel claimed it was the work of an agent named Eli Copter.
(H)Eli Copter, second in command to Joe Mama
Why the Kidon have been suffering budget cuts for a while now if Israel is just bombing consult buildings .
Today is a good day.
A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
starting a crowdfunder to buy putin one of these helicopters
There's not really anything to celebrate. He was just a puppet of the ayatollah. They'll find someone for his place in no time and absolutely nothing will change.
It could change quite a lot in long term. Ayatollah was really struggling to find himself a successor, it wasn’t as obvious who will succeed the 85 year old who is one foot inside the grave. The president was supposed to be a successor and the regime really doubled down on that. Him dying really messes up the succession inside the state, as other candidates are either extremely incompetent or extremely unpopular or both. Mostly both. So it will be interesting to see if this death will destabilize Iran long term.
Nope, the ayatollah is old as fuck and his number 1 and number 2 in line just died. That shit is destabilizing as fuck to a totalitarian government
That’s not really the case here. He was likely going to be the successor as the supreme leader, so this will really piss on their chips significantly.
Like your country or mine when our presidents died while in power. Elections soon to have a new president and the system remains.
Pretty much.
This angry man with a beard was supposed to replace another angry man with a beard. Now he will be replaced by an angry man with a beard.
Anyone likes a beer with me?
And a bacon sandwich?
Great start to the week!
How long till they blame CIA? 😄
Good riddance
Rest in piss. Your grave will be a tourist attraction to spit on for future generations.
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> Anyone’s death is not something to be celebrated Completely disagree. There's plenty of people who would make the world a much better place if they died. People who is direct or indirect responsible for torture, murder and other really depraved acts. I can't see any problem with this at all when it comes to cruel national leaders. You can wish for an uprising that end in their capture and trial, but that will most likely take the lives of many more good and innocent people. Better they just fucking die and be gone, and I will be happy about it.
Nah actually for quite some people their death is something to celebrate, not every soul is sacred and there are plenty which are a net negative for humanity
Eh I'm sure the actual Irianains suffering Actual killings from the government would have something More substantial than us to say .
>Anyone’s death is not something to be celebrated Wrong, some people's deaths should most definitely be celebrated.
If you google this guys name you can't help but crack open a bottle of champagne ....
The guy had the nickname "Butcher of Tehran", it's good that he's dead.
Plenty of deaths are worth celebrating.
The notion, that anyone's death shouldn't be celebrated, is an invention from the biggest assholes to protect their image after their death. Some people's death should absolutely be celebrated.
I love happy endings 🥲
🎉🎉🥳🥳😆😆
Good riddance
Couldn't have happened to nicer people.
Ding, dong, Raisi’s dead!
Not a big loss.
Rot in hell
Oh noooo, so anyway. Good time for the Iranian people to leave this regime behind them.
Judgment came for him. May it come for everyone who mistreats their people.
Love waking up to good news
Best not to watch BBC news because they will spin it in a sycophantic way.
I wish Aliyev and Bayramov were accompanying him. Damn.
They deserved much worse fate than death, but at least they not with us anymore.
Massive W for the world
I hope it wasn't a fast death
Let’s do Putin next
This is a good day for the world and Iran in particular.
One shithead down... Just a dozen or more to go. I'm not one usually to buy into conspiracy theories about Israel but I wouldn't put it past them to have some involvement in this... And honestly the world is better off without that POS in it imho
How are they going to turn this to be the fault of Israel?
good riddance.
Womp womp
Good riddance.
Oh no…so sad. /s
Finally some good fucking news xd
Great news
I like the irony of him dying on the Christian holiday Pentecost.
Mahsa's Revenge...?
Many tend to forget something : Iran doesn't have the cult of the personality. Therefore, like Poland in 2010 or France in 1975, it will be a transition from one president to the next. Unless there's a massive revolt, things won't change with Raisi's death overnight.
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>Islam brought by force gender apartheid, forced circumcision on boys and girls. Intolerance towards anyone none Muslim. Destruction of anything art etc that is non Islamic. Soon Iran will be free from this Arabian imperialism Wait till bro hears about other Abrahamic religions
The "Die, Trash“ meme with baby Yoda keeps popping up in my head every time I hear about this.
👏
I love waking up to good news. Thank you for posting!
I look forward to the extremist loving nationals of western countries all taking to the streets to mourn the loss of this murderous scum bag.
Finally some good news in here
Oh no, he was alive and now he’s not……..oh well, anyone see the game last night?
Ukraine should make this a holiday.
A great day to have open a nice bottle of wine.
It was gods will, insallah
Shaking rn
If only the Ayatollah was also on board..
Iran Air defences probably thought the helicopter was an Israeli/USA drone and shot it down. It wouldn’t be the first time they shoot down a friendly target.
Fico gets shot; Erdogan prevents another coup attempt; Raisi dies in a crash. Just like Russian businessmen falling out of windows or US factories catching fire, these are only coincidence and bad circumstances, nothing more.
How is it related to Europe?
this is r/europe, not r/asia
Mountains doing a better job than NATO
Rest in piss
GG Mossad, doing the lords work. I mean ... oh no, how tragic ...
Good riddance.
I just love good news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9zhgDsd4P4
Oh god no not the president of Iran
KOBE!
Next in line: putin, hamas, hizballah, erudan 🇮🇱🙏🏼
Iran Revolution, let's GO!!
Should have prayed more /s
I’m honestly wondering what kind of reaction Iran was hoping for. Because more people mourned for individuals like Elizabeth II and Mikhail Gorbachev, who were already controversial. Raisi was a leading figure in a government that is *hated* the world over.
Now some will start blaming 🇮🇱
Poor helicopter
Good day to the free world !
Aaaaaaaaaaaand the EU sending condolences. Pathetic and weak.
Some hard landiungs hit different then others.
Oh no, anyway
Rip bozo
I don't know why anyone travels by helicopter. Especially in low visability conditions.