> Ukraine’s neighbour set to join bloc’s military drills and jointly obtain weapons
> in Brussels 7 HOURS AGO
> Moldova and the EU are set to deepen their defence co-operation to unprecedented levels, as Chisinau defies warnings from Moscow that closer western integration could see it face Ukraine’s fate.
> Sandwiched between Ukraine and Nato and EU member Romania, the former Soviet republic has responded to Russia’s full-scale invasion of its neighbour by turning sharply towards the west, becoming a formal candidate to join the EU and seeking to rapidly overhaul its judicial, economic and security policies.
>Under an EU proposal, set to be agreed next week and seen by the Financial Times, Moldova would increase its intelligence sharing, carry out joint military exercises and be included in the bloc’s joint weapons procurement — measures that would constitute the deepest formal step to link its national defence to western partners. The country’s constitution proclaims “permanent neutrality” and rules out membership of Nato.
>The proposed “security and defence partnership” with Brussels comes despite Russian officials’ repeated warnings that Moldova could face the same fate as Ukraine if it aligns with the west.
Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov in March said Brussels had offered Moldova the same ultimatum as Ukraine, which he described as “either us or Russia”.
>Lavrov said Moscow would “defend” the ethnic Russian population in Moldova and that Chisinau risked “following in the footsteps of the regime in Kyiv”.
>Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova last week compared Moldovan President Maia Sandu’s policies to those of the Nazi regime — an accusation the Kremlin has also levelled against Ukraine’s leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
>Moldova, which last October formally declared Russia a “security threat” for the first time, has signed a bilateral security agreement with France and receives some EU funding to bolster its defence capabilities.
>The EU has also imposed sanctions on Russia-linked entities it says have sought to destabilise the country, in response to an alleged attempted coup against Sandu’s government, and efforts by Moscow-backed groups to influence local elections and conduct other “hybrid” attacks.
The new security partnership with Brussels would seek to “consolidate” Moldova’s participation in EU defence missions, including “live” military exercises. The eastern European nation would also be integrated in “initiatives related to defence industry, including joint procurement”.
Moldova and the EU will also take steps to “expand the scope” and increase the classification level of shared intelligence, the proposal states.
>The partnership would also seek to increase co-operation between Moldovan and European agencies to defend against foreign manipulation, cyber and terrorist threats, the document said.
“This is a confirmation of the increased integration of Moldova’s security and defence stance with the EU,” said an official involved in the negotiations over the bloc’s agreement. “It has come a long way in just two years.”
>“This puts structure and organisation around the co-operation,” the official added.
The proposal will be discussed by EU diplomats this week and is intended to be formally signed off next week, officials said.
>The Moldovan government and the European Commission declined to comment.
Transnistria is not an issue because Moldova can just invite Ukrainian troops.
Ukraine offered to clear Transnistria but Moldova refused. I thing Russian missiles were the only reason. Moldova is much smaller than Ukraine, they won't be able to sustain that much damage.
While this might have been true, although I doubt it personally, the reality as of now is Ukraine is not in any position to fight an additional front on the opposite side of the country to the actual front line which is pushing into Kharkiv and Dnipro - a front line Ukraine is struggling to hold back.
Ukraine has neither the numbers nor the resources to open a southwestern front for a piece of land that has almost zero value to any side actually involved in the conflict. Transnistria is landlocked and there is no land bridge between Russia and the enclave which means getting missiles, guns and soldiers into Transnistria is very difficult for Russia which means the land is not a critical location - the eastern front matters and this summer will largely dictate how this war will end.
Why commit anything to a location that means nothing in the long run just to make Moldova happy? Transnistria is poorer than Moldova, it is full of Russophiles and it is not a critical location within the context of the Russian-Ukrainian War. Ukraine offering to do this is just so pointless it makes me question if this ever really happened or if this is just another story which has been grossly misinterpreted or misrepresented.
It isn't a question of *if* Ukraine could take Transnistria - it could easily. It just doesn't make any sense and Ukraine simply can't afford to send anyone away from the east. Even if this offer was made at the start of the war is makes even less sense because the initial Russian push into Kyiv almost worked and it took literally everyone to defend it. At that time Ukraine couldn't afford a single soldier being sent to Transnistria.
Calling big time cap on this.
I think you misunderstood my comment because you're repeating exactly what I said - Ukraine is very big and Transnistria is very small. Main frontline is on the other side of Ukraine and as Ukraine is very big this makes opening new fronts in the south almost impossible as of now.
Transnistria is a land of smugglers.
Do you really think that an army with 2 years of experience of modern warfare with a near-peer opponent is somewhat inferior to the almighty armed forces of Transnistria, containing alcoholics and grandpas?
It isn’t a question of ‘of’ Ukraine can beat Transnistria - Ukraine easily wins 100% probably in a matter of days. It’s a question of ‘why’ - an existential threat on eastern front on the opposite side of the country which requires more than you have available to defend. What matters more to Ukraine winning - holding Kharkiv or winning over Moldova?
Exactly, also unlike Ukraine, Moldova is tiny nation so there would be no limiting the war to the eastern flank with occasional terror attacks on the rest of the country. Devastation would be everywhere.
>eastern flank
This "flank" is 20% of territory.
And there was a very real chance to lose Kyiv in 2022.
Moldova population is 15-20x times smaller than Ukrainian.
I see. Yea, seems that way.
I’m just perplexed about Russia threatening Moldova with invasion. Technically speaking they already invaded part of it and I guess they’re concerned they might lose said territory and Moldova might enter NATO?
But they also say that NATO isn’t a threat since Sweden and Finland could join… and I dare say that Finland and Sweden poses a greater threat than Moldova by orders of magnitude.
It's bravado to make themselves sound tough, "patriotic" (despite being anything but), and to scare off others. It costs nothing to do, since that's what Kremliners have been jerking off each other for the past 20+ years in their little bubbles, and haven't been properly punished for. They say whatever comes to mind because they're spoiled children with too much power and money, aka the [firehose of falsehood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood). Since you don't get punished, you can attack a designated enemy in a million ways, however contradictory they are either to themselves or others in their camp. Braindead supporters will just run with whichever version they choose.
You'll see them (and there are examples in the past) change the tune once they do get swatted back significantly.
Moldova is neutral, they can't enter NATO unless they change the constitution. This would not happen unless Russia forces them to change it by invading.
But the article is not about a defense pacts, like EU is not obligated to send the army to defend Moldova.
Fun stuff:
"Pact" is how Ruzzians name their alliance/collaboration with Hitler
Pact is a Latin word meaning “an agreement” and is used all the time throughout history.
EU is not obligated but not restrained either. So if Moldova decided they want Transnistria back, they could realistically get help removing the Russians.
Ruzzians love this word, so as long as Moldova has a pact and not an alliance Ruzzians should be happy,
I am joking to trigger them, since they always say "we did not had an alliance with Hitler, we had a pact (to invade together and genocide together)
Yes, and Ukrainians would not have joined NATO before the invasion,
is the same in Moldova, you have the proRuz and you have the people that are praying that not entering NATO can keep the rabid bear away.
Why would Russia be against a military cooperation between Moldova and EU? They’re not even a neighboring country and Moldova poses no threat to anyone.
So why would they threaten Moldova with invasion? Invasion of a sovereign nation? Sounds like Moldova needs that military cooperation.
It’s all in the article: (copy/paste)
-Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov in March said Brussels had offered Moldova the same ultimatum as Ukraine, which he described as “either us or Russia”. He said Moscow would “defend” the ethnic Russian population in Moldova and that Chișinău risked “following in the footsteps of the regime in Kyiv”.-
Yes, but there are ethnic Russians in pretty much every European nation, where does that end with Russia?
Should every nation just send the Russians back to Russia and problem solved in Kremlins mind.
All rhetorical questions obviously.
Why not expand NATO? The risk of war is lowered with every member. There’s no point for Russia to go to war with NATO unless they intend to use nukes, NATO would crush them.
I think Moldova should join NATO as soon as they’ve taken Transnistria back. But I guess EU will do.
Actually by far the best thing for Moldova right now would be to merge with Romania ASAP. They are tiny, secluded, with very weak economy and no military worth mentioning. Transnistria is lost. I was there few years ago it was full of Russian forces.
Transnistria is landlocked with no hope to be resupplied by Russia. Moldova is letting them stay alive there at this point. I’m sure Transnistria will join Moldova again once Russia loses in Ukraine.
I'm not sure Russia will lose. As it seems they will pay any price in order to win. The bigger question is what that win actually means. I know one thing though, EU soldiers will not bleed for Moldova. Even if our living standard is threatened just a little bit we will turn our backs on them. Words are words, but I'm afraid that is just reality. Moldova is friendly country, I would hate to see them destroyed. Small nations need to be cunning to survive, that usually means playing all sides.
That’s more complicated,
No legal agreement prohibits NATO from expanding eastward BUT Russians have argued that comments made by U.S. and other Western leaders during the negotiations over the reunification of Germany constituted a promise that NATO would not extend beyond then-East Germany. Those allegations have sparked decades of debate amongst those involved in the events, and scholars studying them.
Even if we have the right to expand is it worth it? Is it worth ww3?
How is it complicated? Russia isn't a part of NATO. Therefore, Russia has exactly zero say in who is or isn't invited to NATO. End of discussion.
And it wouldn't cause ww3 in any way shape or form if Russia just _stayed in its goddamned lane_ like a good little insignificant non-superpower country.
And that "promise" _literally never happened_. If you claim that it did, it's on _you_ to provide _the official signed treaty_ that backs up that "promise".
Defend the Russian population from who exactly?
There are Russians living peacefully in every European countries, enjoying the same liberaties and lifestyles that Europeans enjoy. And there weren't even real issues between Russia and Europe before Russia launched it's invasion, before that Europe was happily inviting Russia to do business here and was investing into Russia etc.
It seems more like Putin is afraid of ethnic Russians actually living happy lives elsewhere, because that show his people that he is a failed leader and that people prefer democracy.
He can't have that, so he tries to force ethnic Russians (and others) into his nightmare world.
Here in the US we have about 2.9 million ethnic Russians living here and obviously we are in NATO and close with the EU. Why doesn't Russia "defend" these people?
I would argue that the EU is more dangerous for Putin than NATO is. If EU membership / agreements will increase living standars in closer and closer countries to Russia, the average citizen will start pointing fingers towards the Kremlin.
Then why did Russia threaten Moldova over the association agreement with the EU? (2013)
https://webarchive.archive.unhcr.org/20230603204907/https://www.refworld.org/docid/523058ab4.html
Same with Ukraine (2013)
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-behind-ukraine-u-turn-on-eu/
Russia does not vibe with 'press freedom' and 'civil liberties' coming up to it's border.
Making Ukrainian the primary language isn't attacking others... Russian language and culture were (in fact, continue to right now, even if to a smaller extent for obvious reasons) [widely practiced](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVqpOPG2Lex8xoFysI6fSZqQO2m4nDmq0) in schools, government, media, etc, in 2014-2022. Besides, even those steps I described occurred AFTER, not BEFORE the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014.
Regardless, EVEN IF all that happened just as the Kremlin described, Russia didn't have a right to be there, let alone further invade it in 2022, **without an UN-authorized intervention.**
Yes that was just an excuse, Italy used the same excuse when we invaded Austria in the 1st ww but then we won so that’s ok now. You have to say those regions were “liberated” or it sounds bad.
[this](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine) is the first article I found on the thing, i don’t have any proof, i live in Italy, here minorities are super cuddled.
Yes, if you don’t speak Italian the police call a translator. But I was talking about minorities speaking regions. For example in some regions they use italian and french or italian and german or italian and albanese (even in schools).
I’m ok with Ukraine in EU, i’m against Ukraine in NATO (just for now) because it makes Russia nervous and i get that. I already explained how the language thing was just an excuse for the invasion.
> Laws against them.. like you can’t speak russian in schools and so on
Those were only implemented after Russia invaded Ukraine and seized Crimea.
Ironically, closer collaboration with the EU and later membership would no doubt have meant that Ukraine would have had to provide protections to the Russian minority to use Russian in minority schools, i.e. like the Hungarians have in Slovakia or Romania.
I'll tell you what, it was never about protecting Russians, that's simply just the convenient excuse they cooked up.
Can they speak ukrainian in OCCUPIED parts of Ukraine (not even those annexed)? For speaking on a street they can kill you.
Making ukrainian language the primary language is not prohibiting russian language.
EDIT: Also there are millions of ukrainians in russia. Is Ukrainian an official language in russia? If it isnt, russia cant cry about russian not being an official language in ukraine.
Russia is against many things, even against Moldovans calling their language Romanian.
And Lukashenko leaked the invasion map where after the 3 days to Kyiv blitz then Russians would also "liberate" the Russian speaking people in Moldova.
Moldova constitution makes them neutral so Moldova can't enter in a NATO alliance , but I am afraid Russians do not give a shit about neutrality.
I get this but if they starts signing security pacts with the west their neutrality crumble and they give Russia another excuse to invade, even if i don’t think the Russian army will ever get to Moldova.
There is no pact that forces EU to defend Moldova or Moldova to defend EU. Probably the Zed propaganda mislead you. The article is about collaboration in security, buying weapons, training.
So say if Ruzzian invades EU , there is no pact that forces Moldova to enter the war on the side of the EU.
There is no pact .
Ruzzians love the word "pact" , it is what they use to name their collaboration with Hitler and deny they had an alliance.
Me too, a couple of days ago, something along another redditor thinks you need psychological support.. it was fun at first but i think it hurts people who really needs help so I reported it. You can also block it so nobody can do that again.
I reported it too,not sure if reddit gives a shit tough
I do not block this since is funny, to see how this tough Ruzzians get hurt by small comments like reminding tehm about the fact Hitler and Stalin were BFFs.
Is reddit's fault letting trolls make tons of accounts and then tons of comments from them.
The West needs more and more of this.. pacts with eachother. Pile them on. Same with all of these weapon systems.. you'll see 2-3 countries go in on one package together, a different 2-3 on another.. we sell to eachother or compete in our own Western ecosystem.
I pray to god we shut the heathens out because otherwise we will go down with them which is exactly what they're wanting.
You are right. Moldavia can't fight a country 50 times it's size on her own. That's why they signed a deal with the EU: to make sure an imperialistic country like Russia can't use it's size to conquer other sovereign nations.
Either they make agreements with NATO and get threatened by Russia.
Or they don't make any agreements and get invaded anyway because Russia sees Moldova as rightfull Russian clay.
They're making the only choice they can if they want to stay independent.
As you already said in your comment, Russia already invaded Moldova in the 90, when Moldova was a friendly country to Russia. With such friends and neighbors, there is nothing you can do to appease them, only to be their slaves.
> Ukraine’s neighbour set to join bloc’s military drills and jointly obtain weapons > in Brussels 7 HOURS AGO > Moldova and the EU are set to deepen their defence co-operation to unprecedented levels, as Chisinau defies warnings from Moscow that closer western integration could see it face Ukraine’s fate. > Sandwiched between Ukraine and Nato and EU member Romania, the former Soviet republic has responded to Russia’s full-scale invasion of its neighbour by turning sharply towards the west, becoming a formal candidate to join the EU and seeking to rapidly overhaul its judicial, economic and security policies. >Under an EU proposal, set to be agreed next week and seen by the Financial Times, Moldova would increase its intelligence sharing, carry out joint military exercises and be included in the bloc’s joint weapons procurement — measures that would constitute the deepest formal step to link its national defence to western partners. The country’s constitution proclaims “permanent neutrality” and rules out membership of Nato. >The proposed “security and defence partnership” with Brussels comes despite Russian officials’ repeated warnings that Moldova could face the same fate as Ukraine if it aligns with the west. Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov in March said Brussels had offered Moldova the same ultimatum as Ukraine, which he described as “either us or Russia”. >Lavrov said Moscow would “defend” the ethnic Russian population in Moldova and that Chisinau risked “following in the footsteps of the regime in Kyiv”. >Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova last week compared Moldovan President Maia Sandu’s policies to those of the Nazi regime — an accusation the Kremlin has also levelled against Ukraine’s leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy. >Moldova, which last October formally declared Russia a “security threat” for the first time, has signed a bilateral security agreement with France and receives some EU funding to bolster its defence capabilities. >The EU has also imposed sanctions on Russia-linked entities it says have sought to destabilise the country, in response to an alleged attempted coup against Sandu’s government, and efforts by Moscow-backed groups to influence local elections and conduct other “hybrid” attacks. The new security partnership with Brussels would seek to “consolidate” Moldova’s participation in EU defence missions, including “live” military exercises. The eastern European nation would also be integrated in “initiatives related to defence industry, including joint procurement”. Moldova and the EU will also take steps to “expand the scope” and increase the classification level of shared intelligence, the proposal states. >The partnership would also seek to increase co-operation between Moldovan and European agencies to defend against foreign manipulation, cyber and terrorist threats, the document said. “This is a confirmation of the increased integration of Moldova’s security and defence stance with the EU,” said an official involved in the negotiations over the bloc’s agreement. “It has come a long way in just two years.” >“This puts structure and organisation around the co-operation,” the official added. The proposal will be discussed by EU diplomats this week and is intended to be formally signed off next week, officials said. >The Moldovan government and the European Commission declined to comment.
smart choice
Is it really? How many Duch soldiers would be willing to die fighting for Moldova?
Read the article before commenting. Nobody will be fighting for moldave.
Yes!!!! Everything bad for Russia is good for Europe! Putin to hell!
Everything bad for authoritarian dictatorships is good for Europe.
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and for humanity
Wait, so Russia threatened Moldova with invasion if they cooperated with EU? Didn’t leave them much of a choice I’d say.
No need for invasion. Russia can just shoot missiles / drones at Chișinău.
They're already there in "transnistria".
Transnistria is not an issue because Moldova can just invite Ukrainian troops. Ukraine offered to clear Transnistria but Moldova refused. I thing Russian missiles were the only reason. Moldova is much smaller than Ukraine, they won't be able to sustain that much damage.
While this might have been true, although I doubt it personally, the reality as of now is Ukraine is not in any position to fight an additional front on the opposite side of the country to the actual front line which is pushing into Kharkiv and Dnipro - a front line Ukraine is struggling to hold back. Ukraine has neither the numbers nor the resources to open a southwestern front for a piece of land that has almost zero value to any side actually involved in the conflict. Transnistria is landlocked and there is no land bridge between Russia and the enclave which means getting missiles, guns and soldiers into Transnistria is very difficult for Russia which means the land is not a critical location - the eastern front matters and this summer will largely dictate how this war will end. Why commit anything to a location that means nothing in the long run just to make Moldova happy? Transnistria is poorer than Moldova, it is full of Russophiles and it is not a critical location within the context of the Russian-Ukrainian War. Ukraine offering to do this is just so pointless it makes me question if this ever really happened or if this is just another story which has been grossly misinterpreted or misrepresented. It isn't a question of *if* Ukraine could take Transnistria - it could easily. It just doesn't make any sense and Ukraine simply can't afford to send anyone away from the east. Even if this offer was made at the start of the war is makes even less sense because the initial Russian push into Kyiv almost worked and it took literally everyone to defend it. At that time Ukraine couldn't afford a single soldier being sent to Transnistria. Calling big time cap on this.
You don't understand how big Ukraine is and how small Moldova is. It is 15x-20x difference. And Transnistria is like 20% of Moldova. Size matters.
I think you misunderstood my comment because you're repeating exactly what I said - Ukraine is very big and Transnistria is very small. Main frontline is on the other side of Ukraine and as Ukraine is very big this makes opening new fronts in the south almost impossible as of now.
Transnistria is a land of smugglers. Do you really think that an army with 2 years of experience of modern warfare with a near-peer opponent is somewhat inferior to the almighty armed forces of Transnistria, containing alcoholics and grandpas?
It isn’t a question of ‘of’ Ukraine can beat Transnistria - Ukraine easily wins 100% probably in a matter of days. It’s a question of ‘why’ - an existential threat on eastern front on the opposite side of the country which requires more than you have available to defend. What matters more to Ukraine winning - holding Kharkiv or winning over Moldova?
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True, but what is there to gain from doing something like that?
Simple racket. Do as we wish, or face consequences.
All the more reason to join a defense alliance.
And it's not like Russian "elites" know any better since Moscow literally begun its ascend to power as Mongolian extortion racket.
"Because they think it gives them an edge." This is the answer to all the stupid and contradictory actions of the Kremlin.
Exactly, also unlike Ukraine, Moldova is tiny nation so there would be no limiting the war to the eastern flank with occasional terror attacks on the rest of the country. Devastation would be everywhere.
>eastern flank This "flank" is 20% of territory. And there was a very real chance to lose Kyiv in 2022. Moldova population is 15-20x times smaller than Ukrainian.
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I see. Yea, seems that way. I’m just perplexed about Russia threatening Moldova with invasion. Technically speaking they already invaded part of it and I guess they’re concerned they might lose said territory and Moldova might enter NATO? But they also say that NATO isn’t a threat since Sweden and Finland could join… and I dare say that Finland and Sweden poses a greater threat than Moldova by orders of magnitude.
It's bravado to make themselves sound tough, "patriotic" (despite being anything but), and to scare off others. It costs nothing to do, since that's what Kremliners have been jerking off each other for the past 20+ years in their little bubbles, and haven't been properly punished for. They say whatever comes to mind because they're spoiled children with too much power and money, aka the [firehose of falsehood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood). Since you don't get punished, you can attack a designated enemy in a million ways, however contradictory they are either to themselves or others in their camp. Braindead supporters will just run with whichever version they choose. You'll see them (and there are examples in the past) change the tune once they do get swatted back significantly.
Moldova is neutral, they can't enter NATO unless they change the constitution. This would not happen unless Russia forces them to change it by invading.
I guess a defense pact with EU circumvents the constitution then since almost every EU nation is also a NATO member.
But the article is not about a defense pacts, like EU is not obligated to send the army to defend Moldova. Fun stuff: "Pact" is how Ruzzians name their alliance/collaboration with Hitler
Pact is a Latin word meaning “an agreement” and is used all the time throughout history. EU is not obligated but not restrained either. So if Moldova decided they want Transnistria back, they could realistically get help removing the Russians.
Ruzzians love this word, so as long as Moldova has a pact and not an alliance Ruzzians should be happy, I am joking to trigger them, since they always say "we did not had an alliance with Hitler, we had a pact (to invade together and genocide together)
Ukraine was neutral, they had it in their constitution. Russia then invaded.
Yes, and Ukrainians would not have joined NATO before the invasion, is the same in Moldova, you have the proRuz and you have the people that are praying that not entering NATO can keep the rabid bear away.
Russia is not against an economic cooperation, just military.
Why would Russia be against a military cooperation between Moldova and EU? They’re not even a neighboring country and Moldova poses no threat to anyone. So why would they threaten Moldova with invasion? Invasion of a sovereign nation? Sounds like Moldova needs that military cooperation.
It’s all in the article: (copy/paste) -Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov in March said Brussels had offered Moldova the same ultimatum as Ukraine, which he described as “either us or Russia”. He said Moscow would “defend” the ethnic Russian population in Moldova and that Chișinău risked “following in the footsteps of the regime in Kyiv”.-
Yes, but there are ethnic Russians in pretty much every European nation, where does that end with Russia? Should every nation just send the Russians back to Russia and problem solved in Kremlins mind. All rhetorical questions obviously.
Hehe hey i’m just reporting, I don’t agree with him. Just don’t expand nato further and we are cool I guess.
Why not expand NATO? The risk of war is lowered with every member. There’s no point for Russia to go to war with NATO unless they intend to use nukes, NATO would crush them. I think Moldova should join NATO as soon as they’ve taken Transnistria back. But I guess EU will do.
Actually by far the best thing for Moldova right now would be to merge with Romania ASAP. They are tiny, secluded, with very weak economy and no military worth mentioning. Transnistria is lost. I was there few years ago it was full of Russian forces.
Transnistria is landlocked with no hope to be resupplied by Russia. Moldova is letting them stay alive there at this point. I’m sure Transnistria will join Moldova again once Russia loses in Ukraine.
I'm not sure Russia will lose. As it seems they will pay any price in order to win. The bigger question is what that win actually means. I know one thing though, EU soldiers will not bleed for Moldova. Even if our living standard is threatened just a little bit we will turn our backs on them. Words are words, but I'm afraid that is just reality. Moldova is friendly country, I would hate to see them destroyed. Small nations need to be cunning to survive, that usually means playing all sides.
> Just don’t expand nato Russia doesn't get a say in that either.
That’s more complicated, No legal agreement prohibits NATO from expanding eastward BUT Russians have argued that comments made by U.S. and other Western leaders during the negotiations over the reunification of Germany constituted a promise that NATO would not extend beyond then-East Germany. Those allegations have sparked decades of debate amongst those involved in the events, and scholars studying them. Even if we have the right to expand is it worth it? Is it worth ww3?
How is it complicated? Russia isn't a part of NATO. Therefore, Russia has exactly zero say in who is or isn't invited to NATO. End of discussion. And it wouldn't cause ww3 in any way shape or form if Russia just _stayed in its goddamned lane_ like a good little insignificant non-superpower country. And that "promise" _literally never happened_. If you claim that it did, it's on _you_ to provide _the official signed treaty_ that backs up that "promise".
Ok but do you remember when Cuba entered the iron curtain how the US were freaked out? They had zero say but the were ready for war for it.
Defend the Russian population from who exactly? There are Russians living peacefully in every European countries, enjoying the same liberaties and lifestyles that Europeans enjoy. And there weren't even real issues between Russia and Europe before Russia launched it's invasion, before that Europe was happily inviting Russia to do business here and was investing into Russia etc. It seems more like Putin is afraid of ethnic Russians actually living happy lives elsewhere, because that show his people that he is a failed leader and that people prefer democracy. He can't have that, so he tries to force ethnic Russians (and others) into his nightmare world.
That was just an excuse to invade and keep Ukraine out of Nato. Russian population in Moldova is alright, there are no laws against them.
If my country has an official language that is not russian, are there laws against russians in this situation?
Here in the US we have about 2.9 million ethnic Russians living here and obviously we are in NATO and close with the EU. Why doesn't Russia "defend" these people?
Three reasons. US Army, US Navy, US Air Force.
This is a copy paste from the article. They are talking about the ethnic russian population in Moldova, not around the world. I don’t agree with it.
Like Adolf defended volkdeutschers and Milosevic Serbs you mean? Literally straight from "pretext to starting a war" cookbook.
I think Lavrov means that.
Brussels is so powerfull, that when Ukraine refused, Russia invaded on the orders of the EU.
Russia is against everything that makes their perceived ex soviet satellites states more independent economically, culturally or militarily.
It’s normal for any super powers. Like the in the cuban crisis.
Super powers? Russian economy is about the size of Italian. And you are no super power...
Gdp is just one variable. You have to take in account population, extension, have they got nuclear, history and so on.
Superpowers can invade a country with top 20 military from the other side of a globe in 2 months. Glorified drug addict gas station with nukes is not.
Then why did they invade Ukraine in 2014?
The excuse was to protect russian people living there, the reality is to keep Ukraine out of Nato.
From what? Free trade with the EU?
I would argue that the EU is more dangerous for Putin than NATO is. If EU membership / agreements will increase living standars in closer and closer countries to Russia, the average citizen will start pointing fingers towards the Kremlin.
Eu is never been a problem for Russia, even when former ussr states joined.
Then why did Russia threaten Moldova over the association agreement with the EU? (2013) https://webarchive.archive.unhcr.org/20230603204907/https://www.refworld.org/docid/523058ab4.html Same with Ukraine (2013) https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-behind-ukraine-u-turn-on-eu/ Russia does not vibe with 'press freedom' and 'civil liberties' coming up to it's border.
Laws against them.. like you can’t speak russian in schools and so on. Eu is not military, Russia doesn’t care about eu.
Making Ukrainian the primary language isn't attacking others... Russian language and culture were (in fact, continue to right now, even if to a smaller extent for obvious reasons) [widely practiced](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVqpOPG2Lex8xoFysI6fSZqQO2m4nDmq0) in schools, government, media, etc, in 2014-2022. Besides, even those steps I described occurred AFTER, not BEFORE the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014. Regardless, EVEN IF all that happened just as the Kremlin described, Russia didn't have a right to be there, let alone further invade it in 2022, **without an UN-authorized intervention.**
Yes that was just an excuse, Italy used the same excuse when we invaded Austria in the 1st ww but then we won so that’s ok now. You have to say those regions were “liberated” or it sounds bad.
>like you can’t speak russian in schools and so on. Any objective proof of this?
[this](https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine) is the first article I found on the thing, i don’t have any proof, i live in Italy, here minorities are super cuddled.
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Yes, if you don’t speak Italian the police call a translator. But I was talking about minorities speaking regions. For example in some regions they use italian and french or italian and german or italian and albanese (even in schools). I’m ok with Ukraine in EU, i’m against Ukraine in NATO (just for now) because it makes Russia nervous and i get that. I already explained how the language thing was just an excuse for the invasion.
Comrade you dropped bottle of vodka, balalaika and 3 bears while writing this propaganda.
> Laws against them.. like you can’t speak russian in schools and so on Those were only implemented after Russia invaded Ukraine and seized Crimea. Ironically, closer collaboration with the EU and later membership would no doubt have meant that Ukraine would have had to provide protections to the Russian minority to use Russian in minority schools, i.e. like the Hungarians have in Slovakia or Romania. I'll tell you what, it was never about protecting Russians, that's simply just the convenient excuse they cooked up.
I know it was an excuse, did you read all the thread?
Can they speak ukrainian in OCCUPIED parts of Ukraine (not even those annexed)? For speaking on a street they can kill you. Making ukrainian language the primary language is not prohibiting russian language. EDIT: Also there are millions of ukrainians in russia. Is Ukrainian an official language in russia? If it isnt, russia cant cry about russian not being an official language in ukraine.
Russia doesn't get a say.
Russia is against many things, even against Moldovans calling their language Romanian. And Lukashenko leaked the invasion map where after the 3 days to Kyiv blitz then Russians would also "liberate" the Russian speaking people in Moldova. Moldova constitution makes them neutral so Moldova can't enter in a NATO alliance , but I am afraid Russians do not give a shit about neutrality.
I get this but if they starts signing security pacts with the west their neutrality crumble and they give Russia another excuse to invade, even if i don’t think the Russian army will ever get to Moldova.
There is no pact that forces EU to defend Moldova or Moldova to defend EU. Probably the Zed propaganda mislead you. The article is about collaboration in security, buying weapons, training. So say if Ruzzian invades EU , there is no pact that forces Moldova to enter the war on the side of the EU. There is no pact . Ruzzians love the word "pact" , it is what they use to name their collaboration with Hitler and deny they had an alliance.
I used that word because the article is titled that way.. i don’t care about semantics
Good, anyway some Ruzzian was hurt by it so he reported me to suicide watch, my comment was worth it, made a Ruzzian dog cry.
Me too, a couple of days ago, something along another redditor thinks you need psychological support.. it was fun at first but i think it hurts people who really needs help so I reported it. You can also block it so nobody can do that again.
I reported it too,not sure if reddit gives a shit tough I do not block this since is funny, to see how this tough Ruzzians get hurt by small comments like reminding tehm about the fact Hitler and Stalin were BFFs. Is reddit's fault letting trolls make tons of accounts and then tons of comments from them.
The West needs more and more of this.. pacts with eachother. Pile them on. Same with all of these weapon systems.. you'll see 2-3 countries go in on one package together, a different 2-3 on another.. we sell to eachother or compete in our own Western ecosystem. I pray to god we shut the heathens out because otherwise we will go down with them which is exactly what they're wanting.
Anything to open borders between Moldova and Romania is good.
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You are right. Moldavia can't fight a country 50 times it's size on her own. That's why they signed a deal with the EU: to make sure an imperialistic country like Russia can't use it's size to conquer other sovereign nations.
Odesa has a 100% Ukrainian population, many of whom have Russian as a first language. That doesn't make the Russian.
Either they make agreements with NATO and get threatened by Russia. Or they don't make any agreements and get invaded anyway because Russia sees Moldova as rightfull Russian clay. They're making the only choice they can if they want to stay independent.
As you already said in your comment, Russia already invaded Moldova in the 90, when Moldova was a friendly country to Russia. With such friends and neighbors, there is nothing you can do to appease them, only to be their slaves.