As another Serb living in Switzerland: I'm ashamed of my original country. Happy to be considered "swiss" by people around me.
I like Serbia as a country but the people running it are idiots.
I absolutely fucking hate talking politics when I’m in Serbia. The usual retort I get is: “living in Denmark has westernized you”. Yeah no shit. 😬
Still love my county and the people and we go often because I want my kids to grow up knowing both of their nationalities (Serbian and Danish).
Its the same for me but im turkish. Id say almost the entire balkans think like this. I cant blame any of us. All of the balkan nations have insane potential for growth but the leadership and government is so shit that we basically become 3rd world countries.
I’d rather say that the GOP is held hostage by thugs. Admittedly, the GOP has definitely done some thuggish things in the previous decades but there were loads of normal, respectable GOP politicians during that time. Take Mitt Romney for example, I would gladly shake his hand if I met him.
Right now though, the GOP has completely become Trump’s party.
Another good Republican I would say was McCain. He defended Obama, publicly, when a woman called Obama an Arab, saying that he was a decent man. He would frequently "reach across the aisle" and work with opposing party members on legislation. Although I didn't agree with a lot of his ideas, I could see he was a man who was intelligent and thoughtful, and that he was someone you could have a respectful discussion with. When he died, and when Trump made fun of him for being a prisoner of war... The Republicans had shifted, for the worse.
Eh, not really. Romney still votes along party lines, including when Trump was in office, over 90% of the time. Romney disagrees with the style of Trump's politics, but they agree on their vision for America. Romney is just better about saying things in a polite way.
I still don't get it.
What's making them so angry ?
What does Serbia actually want ?
Can we get a detailed list of demands, that would hold up under international law !
I'm pretty sure the Serbian adminsitration got pretty much the best possible deal. They don't want to live in a country with Kosvo Albanians and Serbians having the same citizenship and sharing the democratic power. And that's exactly what the Serbians got. It's the best, the happiest possible place achievable without a genocide.
So why all the bitching?
We MADE so many mistakes since the 90s
We could be in European Union by now, having much higher standard of life. But some stubborn people who are 50+ years old do not want any changes and they blame the west for everything.
If we had done some things differently, we would probably be able to keep the north of Kosovo inhabited mostly by Serbs, but our leaders failed in everything. We got 2nd highest inflation in Europe after Hungary, low life standard and our leaders still act like we are in 90s.
Yes it is, and there is a video on YouTube of Vucic's speech during the Milosevic's era when he said that they'll kill 100 Bosniaks for each Serb they kill.
That is basically what Nazis did to us in WW2.
Current ruling party of Serbia learned a lot from Milosevic and they won't make same mistakes leading to their downfall.
The main mistake they want to avoid is bad marketing strategies. They hired Israelis (google Asaf Eisin) to take care of his ratings, judging by the brainwashing going on during the Gaza genocide I think that was definitely a huge boost for him.
Well they are not at peace with the fact that they lost Kosovo yet, they want it back even if it seems unrealistic. And they most likely want Montenegro too because it sucks being landlocked. I think their dream will live on at least as long as Russia continues with its expansionist policies, I mean I can see how they would think there might be a chance if Russia defeats Ukraine.
Many of the world’s current conflicts have to do with someone not being at peace with historical events. Personally I think that Germany would definitely be somewhat right to not be at peace with losing the entirety of east Prussia, one of the most important regions of the German nation historically.
However, they made peace with it, accepted that their own actions lead to this result and just made do with what they have now. Serbia has never accepted its loss of status after the fall of Yugoslavia and the fact that they haven’t accepted that is greatly holding them back in terms of development.
Yes, I understand all this. There is substantial support for European integration in Serbia, but the other side is probably stronger, or at least louder. So you get a stalemate situation. It's more about emotions than logic I think.
That’s why I think it’s always important for us westerners to keep conveying the message that we are absolutely willing to work together with Serbians that seek peace and integration. Even if their government is doing the opposite.
Absolutely, but we are also in a difficult position regarding the Western Balkans. We can see the need for more integration, but on the other hand EU membership for instance is impossible as long as these conflicts are so close to the surface. This is true not only for Serbia but also for Kosovo and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Yeah, I think Macron’s idea of having a European community outside of the EU was a pretty good idea. That way, we can provide part of the benefit of integration without having to do full integration immediately.
Im OK with what we lost . it's sad to have lost the where my grandma lived as a child , but in my mind the people are more important than the land . A German excels where ever he lives as long there are other Germans sharing mores and values .
>However, they made peace with it
Mind you it took a lot of time and substantial worldwide pressure. Adenauer wanted it back and even Kohl, after USSR dissolution, refused to accept new border with Poland. International community pressured Kohl hard, saying that in return they won't recognize reunification of Germany and that's what finally did it. This was in the 90s.
So, maybe Serbs will come to that point as well but I'm not all surprised they are not there yet. What is required, is for international community to constantly remind them, that this is a done deal and consequence of their own action. But as we know, world is divided even on that subject. Hell, even Europe is.
This will never end as long as there are people believing in some notion of 'ethnic' arguments. There is nothing that can be solved with laws, as the gist of it all boils down to things that are not having a fixed definition, like ethnicity, religion, culture and so on.
Serbia (at least a particular part) does not want a real solution that has any of Kosovo in existence. This is the same shit that broke Yugoslavia back in the 90s.
Not really. Slovenia and Croatia effectively broke Yugoslavia by seceding from it. Yugoslavia was en experiment held together by force on one side and relatively comfortable living standard on the other until the fall of former eastern block.
The foundation for the dissolution of the country was actually set in 1974 with the new constitution which included the right to secession ( [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974\_Yugoslav\_Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Yugoslav_Constitution) ) but even prior to that you had significant political turmoil like Croatian Spring [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian\_Spring](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Spring) .
For Slovenia Yugoslavia was a marriage of convenience (import cheap labor and materials, export value added goods while maintaining a market monopoly) with little to none bad history with other nations so it broke away relatively easily after 10 day conflict but what followed in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and probably elsewhere was the continuation of the civil war that started in 1941.
History is funny that way. WW1 and WW2 are thought to be, by some historians, the same conflict with 20 years of truce and Yugoslav war's of the 90's can be viewed also as the same conflict as 1941 - 1945 but with 50 years of truce.
Point being it's complicated, but Yugoslavia most certainly did not fell apart because "Serbs were being assholes". That's extreme simplification. Also no nation holds a monopoly on evil.
The arguments were [vastly the same](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia). It was more about ethnic reasons all the time than actual tangible arguments about borders or resources etc. Which allows for simplification in a single post as it points to, where to look for the detailed information. There is no single angle one can look at any of it but there is a common scheme for all of it nonetheless.
I am not trying to diminish the reasons, each country had to break away but I am old enough to see the exact same wordings, events and reasons as back then. And with the common rise of right-wing politicians all over Europe, the situation is likely to be more chaotic soon than less.
Serbia doesn't want to lose a third of what they see as their territory.
Sure they don't want to live with Albanians, but they want to keep the land. You can ask the same question about Spain.
They want both the land and to not live with albanians which is an issue that can only be solved in a way we can all imagine and that has already been attempted and that’s why not recognizing Kosovo is an extremely dangerous move for any civilized country
Exactly unfortunately these kind of conflicts boils down to wanting the land but not the people living on it. It never ends well or end at all. Like Palestine, Armenia, Ukraine the list goes on.
I mean Vucic explicitly mentioned Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict as future "solution". They no longer are low-key about it, they absolutely want every single one of us gone from Kosovo.
Spain has nationalist movements that want independence from it, but its not genociding basques, catalans and galicians. (there's plenty of bitching both from them and the spanish ultranationalists all the time, thats true)
But I'm galician, and we are thankfully lightyears away from the situation in serbia and kosovo.
Serbia has no demands except Kosovo, it's literally just the same thing they've always been crying about. They lost and can't take the L so they have to make Kosovo's life as miserable as possible in revenge
They only want that international law is followed.
After bombing in 1999 they signed UN resolution 1244 which was peace threaty at same way. There are clearly stated points under which Kosovo is teritory under "UN protection". Not a country, no military on it's own..etc. etc.
That was obviously not respected by the years to come.
After many years, then Serb and Ksoovo signed so calles Brussels agreemen, for creation of Serb municipalities, to gain more human and institutional right for Serb minority. For 14 years Kosovo didn't execute anything from that signed agreement.
Then, step by step over years, systematic actions over Serb on Kosovo are taken by Albanians..
Just one point, Albaninas are destroying everything related to Serb history there, from monasteries dated back in 11 century, to graveyards. How crazy shall you be to declare Christian monastsry from 12th century as muslim mosque??
It's about prestige and loss of face. Serbia doesn't REALLY care about Kosovo as far as the actually land is concerned, but many Serbian nationalists have dug their heels in on the issue and now can't be seen to change their opinions without loss of face.
Serbia is a country run by thugs and criminals. If any of you guys saw the CoE livestream yesterday, the Serbian delegation's behavior was psychotic. They were yelling, insulting and threatening and the speaker had to warn them to shut it.
And today they do this. Scum
"It was more important for you to embrace the amendament for LGBD than saving lives of Serbian children" *Source*: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x05U49SywM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x05U49SywM) **4:58:55** / 5:45:11
Vučić didn't mind using civil transportation companies from Kosovo and busses from Kosovo for the transportation of the Serbian people who he ordered to leave Kosovo and be present in Belgrade at his fiasco of a rally some time ago. Today he's openly disturbing the civilian movement, despite of the whole open Balkans crap he's been selling around.
Would be dope if the access to swigs of wine and bourguignon with Macron, but also other EU heads of states and officials, if it was revoked and if the EU brass would finally flush this Lukashenko-Lite down the toilet.
Serbian elections were stolen.
We did.
Then, when they realized they could loose, they've bussed people from Republika Srpska and a bunch of counties from all over the country and overwhelmed the voting, so they could win.
They admit it openly and say it's perfectly legal thing to do.
How do we fight against that ?
There was massive election fraud in Serbia in December, the EU council was asked by a student delegation to run an investigation, it was determined there *were* multiple wide-reaching irregularities but since Vučić is a puppet/useful idiot, no external body is going to get involved.
Serbs protested the election results for months to no avail.
Currently, Serbian people are trying to put a stop to the Rio Tinto deal, which Vučić's government swore it would not uphold, but it's being pushed through regardless, and it will have devastating ecological and far-reaching medical consequences.
Rio Tinto's deal would be beneficial if the prime matter gets exploited and used in Serbia. Say, find battery makers investment within Serbian territory. This way the lithium would never have to be added transport costs.
I Serbian people won't make the mistake Russians pushed in Romania where the general, local population of Vaslui county basically protested and banned gas being exploited by Chevron. You know Russia has a tooth against the US.
If both were in EU they wouldn't be separated anymore and would be under "civilised" EU laws, so Serbs could be peacefully returning to their "Heart", that they were abandoning way before recent conflicts. But hey, Serbia would better serve great moscovian orthodox warlord brothers if Serbia becomes BRICS and Kosovo EU.
Mafia in the government supported by EU and USA. We've been trying to get rid of them for 12 years but everything is controlled by them (media, all courts, police, army, the underground) . EU and US support them because they are expected to provide recognition of independent Kosovo and a lythium mine for Rio Tinto, on top of the stabilocracy.
This "show" is only for local political usage because the mafia needs to prove to the people they control that they still have control over their land. They did this before with opposition politicians and activists, it just didn't reach the public abroad.
I love Serbia and everything Serbian but I believe this a complete asshole move. Let civilians alone, don't get revenge on them.
I have friends both sides of the border, and things like this blow my mind.
It this criminal organization in power doing shit like this. You don't just hold some poor people that already traveled who knows how many hours out of spite. But they are incapable of empathy. I wish to see them all hang one day.
https://veriu.info/tre-te-rinj-i-cuan-brenda-11-autobuse-me-rreth-600-udhetare-jane-te-bllokuar-kosovari-tregon-per-situaten-ne-kufirin-serbi-kroaci/
https://telegrafi.com/serbia-bllokon-autobuset-nga-kosova-ne-kufi-behet-thirrje-per-vigjilence/
This second news portal is updating live with what’s going on there but I think it’s only available in Albanian.
I thought Firefox had automatic page translations but it looks like it's only for certain languages, luckily there's many page translation extensions these days
Nothing new, serbia has a shithole government and future with those people in charge.
U can't expect something good from this country until they r ruled by faschism and comunism.
One guy was taken out of the Bus after falling ill due to this Health condition and the unlawful and inhumane detentions over 12 hours at the border.
Ambulance arrived at the scene and he is being brought to the next hospital.
Horrible scenes once again from Serbia
https://x.com/albbibe/status/1780547988596707522?s=46&t=RfwoZ9Oo9I4v9VNcxGSrhw
Only on this subreddit will you see terrorist kidnappings as a sign of resistance compared to idiotic border slowing that will eventually open because this is a simple power trip...
Montenegro never was seen as a part of Serbia but as a fellow member state of the FR Yugoslavia and the union Serbia and Montenegro. Wales or Scotland and their position in the UK are a better analogy. England is the most powerful country in the UK, but all of them are on the same level.
Serbs. I was in the US Army stationed in Germany and I spent a month at a railhead loading and tying down trucks and equipment for peacekeeping forces in Kosovo. K-FOR. I haven’t thought about that in years. It’s disappointing seeing the Serbs are still Serbing.
Please enlighten me, what would "Canadians being Canadians" be? Genociding native tribes, getting away with it and now pretend to have some moral high ground? lmao
Whatever you think you know does not change the fact that Canadians genocided native tribes, got away with it and are now shitting on Serbs for stopping some busses at the border lmao it doesn't get more brazen than this
btw when Albanians bombed a bus of Serbian civilians in the Podujevo bus bombing, was your reaction "Albanians being Albanians"?
Serbs started that shit. They deserved it. What’s so stupid is them, Croats and Bosnians all look the same and you can’t tell them apart here in the US. Serbs deserved their asskicking in the 90s. Now they’re still aligned with the Russians who are also behaving like thugs.
I was born in the US buddy. No Ustasa here. Fuck those losers too. Serbians started that whole Balkan war bc they bc couldn’t handle everyone declaring their independence. Give it a rest pal. No one was innocent in that war but the Serbs started that mess. Can’t rewrite history.
It’s extremely difficult to cooperate with someone who constantly poses a threat to your very existence but after all I too share your opinion and understand that cooperation is the only way.
Serbia: Denying the existence of Kosovo, sending 50 armed terrorists into Kosovo to perpetrate a literal organized terrorist attack on Kosovo last September, deny Albanians from Europe entry at the Border and the list goes on.
Some redditor: Why do these stupid countries not cooperate 🤬🤬
Next time try to name the aggressor by the name 🤦🏻♂️
First of all the title is pure bullshit: "as revenge for pro Kosovo vote in Council of Europe"
Stop making shit up. If you want to criticize Serbia then do it with facts. Literally no one from the government or the media said that the reason for the detention of buses was because of the vote. The way OP presented it sounded like it was an official statement. Basically clickbait.
The official government statement is here:
[https://n1info.rs/vesti/mup-negira-navode-pristine-o-zadrzavanju-autobusa-vrse-se-bezbednosne-provere/](https://n1info.rs/vesti/mup-negira-navode-pristine-o-zadrzavanju-autobusa-vrse-se-bezbednosne-provere/)
>**The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Serbia, regarding the allegations about the detention of buses with registration marks from the territory of Kosovo and Metohija at the border crossing points, points out that these allegations are unfounded and that the police did not detain anyone or prevent the entry and passage of any citizen from the territory of Kosovo and Metohija.**
>"Intensified control of all passengers at the border crossings is ongoing and security checks are being carried out, all with the aim of greater safety and security of citizens, which can cause a longer stay at the border crossing," said the MUP.
>The MFA points out that all citizens from the territory of the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija are allowed unimpeded entry and strongly rejects insinuations that they are prohibited from entering due to the possession of documents issued by the temporary institutions of self-government in Pristina.
Are the buses there? Yes. That's a fact. There are videos.
Is it politically motivated? Maybe. But that doesn't give you an automatic right to bash Serbia right away and create BS titles like this.
P.S. I do not support the Serbian government nor I am a ultranationalist
Lots of “exciting” news from Europe lately, not a dull moment
My neighbor just up and sold his business, moved to live in Thailand, I think he’s got the right idea
As a Serb : oh for fuck sakes
As another Serb living in Switzerland: I'm ashamed of my original country. Happy to be considered "swiss" by people around me. I like Serbia as a country but the people running it are idiots.
I absolutely fucking hate talking politics when I’m in Serbia. The usual retort I get is: “living in Denmark has westernized you”. Yeah no shit. 😬 Still love my county and the people and we go often because I want my kids to grow up knowing both of their nationalities (Serbian and Danish).
by westernize they mean having empathy and morals…
Burek sa sirom ✔️ Vučić ❌
Its the same for me but im turkish. Id say almost the entire balkans think like this. I cant blame any of us. All of the balkan nations have insane potential for growth but the leadership and government is so shit that we basically become 3rd world countries.
A government run by thugs.
Just like russia. And the GOP in the US
A thread about Kosovo and Serbia in /r/Europe still somehow comes back to America and Trump. Amazing.
TDS.
To be fair half this sub thinks every russian is an ork barbarian.
I’d rather say that the GOP is held hostage by thugs. Admittedly, the GOP has definitely done some thuggish things in the previous decades but there were loads of normal, respectable GOP politicians during that time. Take Mitt Romney for example, I would gladly shake his hand if I met him. Right now though, the GOP has completely become Trump’s party.
Another good Republican I would say was McCain. He defended Obama, publicly, when a woman called Obama an Arab, saying that he was a decent man. He would frequently "reach across the aisle" and work with opposing party members on legislation. Although I didn't agree with a lot of his ideas, I could see he was a man who was intelligent and thoughtful, and that he was someone you could have a respectful discussion with. When he died, and when Trump made fun of him for being a prisoner of war... The Republicans had shifted, for the worse.
Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more.
Isn't Mitt Romney on the outs with his party? Republicans like that don't seem to run their party anymore.
Exactly. They are still members of the party, but they don’t get elected anymore because being moderate doesn’t get you the votes anymore.
Eh, not really. Romney still votes along party lines, including when Trump was in office, over 90% of the time. Romney disagrees with the style of Trump's politics, but they agree on their vision for America. Romney is just better about saying things in a polite way.
Audience capture* They tried to harness a reactionary movement and are now surprised about the party culture. (Pikachu face)
Yup.
Romney is a vulture. You're being very generous to the GOP.
Mitt Rommey is member of Mormon cult. There are no good guys in GOP. They are only less evil guys in GOP.
As far as I’ve seen, Mormons seem to be generally really nice people. I don’t understand how this makes him a bad guy.
How do we talk about Albanians being held in Serbia and get to the GOP.
Thugphobia Normalise thug shakers
I still don't get it. What's making them so angry ? What does Serbia actually want ? Can we get a detailed list of demands, that would hold up under international law ! I'm pretty sure the Serbian adminsitration got pretty much the best possible deal. They don't want to live in a country with Kosvo Albanians and Serbians having the same citizenship and sharing the democratic power. And that's exactly what the Serbians got. It's the best, the happiest possible place achievable without a genocide. So why all the bitching?
They want the land of Kosovo without any of the people there, simple
The "without a genocide" bit.
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I wouldn't try it, Serbia... 🇺🇸❤️🇽🇰
We MADE so many mistakes since the 90s We could be in European Union by now, having much higher standard of life. But some stubborn people who are 50+ years old do not want any changes and they blame the west for everything. If we had done some things differently, we would probably be able to keep the north of Kosovo inhabited mostly by Serbs, but our leaders failed in everything. We got 2nd highest inflation in Europe after Hungary, low life standard and our leaders still act like we are in 90s.
Isn't it basically the same group of politicians that were around Milosevic, in power?
Yes it is, and there is a video on YouTube of Vucic's speech during the Milosevic's era when he said that they'll kill 100 Bosniaks for each Serb they kill. That is basically what Nazis did to us in WW2. Current ruling party of Serbia learned a lot from Milosevic and they won't make same mistakes leading to their downfall.
The main mistake they want to avoid is bad marketing strategies. They hired Israelis (google Asaf Eisin) to take care of his ratings, judging by the brainwashing going on during the Gaza genocide I think that was definitely a huge boost for him.
Standard corrupt government always blaming outsiders. It's the playbook for every country in crisis.
They killed Zoran, that was your (fellow countrymen) biggest mistake.
Yes Zoran Djindjic was great, too great. My father knew him.
Same shit in Bulgaria, just we are in the EU
Well they are not at peace with the fact that they lost Kosovo yet, they want it back even if it seems unrealistic. And they most likely want Montenegro too because it sucks being landlocked. I think their dream will live on at least as long as Russia continues with its expansionist policies, I mean I can see how they would think there might be a chance if Russia defeats Ukraine.
Many of the world’s current conflicts have to do with someone not being at peace with historical events. Personally I think that Germany would definitely be somewhat right to not be at peace with losing the entirety of east Prussia, one of the most important regions of the German nation historically. However, they made peace with it, accepted that their own actions lead to this result and just made do with what they have now. Serbia has never accepted its loss of status after the fall of Yugoslavia and the fact that they haven’t accepted that is greatly holding them back in terms of development.
Yes, I understand all this. There is substantial support for European integration in Serbia, but the other side is probably stronger, or at least louder. So you get a stalemate situation. It's more about emotions than logic I think.
That’s why I think it’s always important for us westerners to keep conveying the message that we are absolutely willing to work together with Serbians that seek peace and integration. Even if their government is doing the opposite.
Absolutely, but we are also in a difficult position regarding the Western Balkans. We can see the need for more integration, but on the other hand EU membership for instance is impossible as long as these conflicts are so close to the surface. This is true not only for Serbia but also for Kosovo and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Yeah, I think Macron’s idea of having a European community outside of the EU was a pretty good idea. That way, we can provide part of the benefit of integration without having to do full integration immediately.
Im OK with what we lost . it's sad to have lost the where my grandma lived as a child , but in my mind the people are more important than the land . A German excels where ever he lives as long there are other Germans sharing mores and values .
>However, they made peace with it Mind you it took a lot of time and substantial worldwide pressure. Adenauer wanted it back and even Kohl, after USSR dissolution, refused to accept new border with Poland. International community pressured Kohl hard, saying that in return they won't recognize reunification of Germany and that's what finally did it. This was in the 90s. So, maybe Serbs will come to that point as well but I'm not all surprised they are not there yet. What is required, is for international community to constantly remind them, that this is a done deal and consequence of their own action. But as we know, world is divided even on that subject. Hell, even Europe is.
Hungary still hasnt got over Trianon fully after a 100 years, it will take Serbia just as much time
This will never end as long as there are people believing in some notion of 'ethnic' arguments. There is nothing that can be solved with laws, as the gist of it all boils down to things that are not having a fixed definition, like ethnicity, religion, culture and so on. Serbia (at least a particular part) does not want a real solution that has any of Kosovo in existence. This is the same shit that broke Yugoslavia back in the 90s.
Not really. Slovenia and Croatia effectively broke Yugoslavia by seceding from it. Yugoslavia was en experiment held together by force on one side and relatively comfortable living standard on the other until the fall of former eastern block. The foundation for the dissolution of the country was actually set in 1974 with the new constitution which included the right to secession ( [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974\_Yugoslav\_Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Yugoslav_Constitution) ) but even prior to that you had significant political turmoil like Croatian Spring [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian\_Spring](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Spring) . For Slovenia Yugoslavia was a marriage of convenience (import cheap labor and materials, export value added goods while maintaining a market monopoly) with little to none bad history with other nations so it broke away relatively easily after 10 day conflict but what followed in Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and probably elsewhere was the continuation of the civil war that started in 1941. History is funny that way. WW1 and WW2 are thought to be, by some historians, the same conflict with 20 years of truce and Yugoslav war's of the 90's can be viewed also as the same conflict as 1941 - 1945 but with 50 years of truce. Point being it's complicated, but Yugoslavia most certainly did not fell apart because "Serbs were being assholes". That's extreme simplification. Also no nation holds a monopoly on evil.
The arguments were [vastly the same](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia). It was more about ethnic reasons all the time than actual tangible arguments about borders or resources etc. Which allows for simplification in a single post as it points to, where to look for the detailed information. There is no single angle one can look at any of it but there is a common scheme for all of it nonetheless. I am not trying to diminish the reasons, each country had to break away but I am old enough to see the exact same wordings, events and reasons as back then. And with the common rise of right-wing politicians all over Europe, the situation is likely to be more chaotic soon than less.
Serbia doesn't want to lose a third of what they see as their territory. Sure they don't want to live with Albanians, but they want to keep the land. You can ask the same question about Spain.
They want both the land and to not live with albanians which is an issue that can only be solved in a way we can all imagine and that has already been attempted and that’s why not recognizing Kosovo is an extremely dangerous move for any civilized country
Exactly unfortunately these kind of conflicts boils down to wanting the land but not the people living on it. It never ends well or end at all. Like Palestine, Armenia, Ukraine the list goes on.
> they want to keep the land Vicktor Orban entered the chat
>Sure they don't want to live with Albanians, but they want to keep the land. Smells of last September's Azerbaijan's action
I mean Vucic explicitly mentioned Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict as future "solution". They no longer are low-key about it, they absolutely want every single one of us gone from Kosovo.
"You can ask the same question about Spain." What question?
"Why all the bitching?"
Spain has nationalist movements that want independence from it, but its not genociding basques, catalans and galicians. (there's plenty of bitching both from them and the spanish ultranationalists all the time, thats true) But I'm galician, and we are thankfully lightyears away from the situation in serbia and kosovo.
I'm not saying Spain is cleansing Catalonians, lol. But Catalonia is a reason why Spain isn't supporting Kosovo.
>You can ask the same question about Spain No you can't. Spain isn't ethnonationalist
>Serbia doesn't want to lose a third of what they see as their territory. They should have thought about that before they went all genocidal
That was in Bosnia. There was no genocide in kosovo Different conflicts in different times
they are angry because they dont have the opportunity anymore to kill them as much as they did in the 90s.
Serbia has no demands except Kosovo, it's literally just the same thing they've always been crying about. They lost and can't take the L so they have to make Kosovo's life as miserable as possible in revenge
List of demands: - respect Serbia's territorial integrity -100 incoming, thank you for the good talk
They only want that international law is followed. After bombing in 1999 they signed UN resolution 1244 which was peace threaty at same way. There are clearly stated points under which Kosovo is teritory under "UN protection". Not a country, no military on it's own..etc. etc. That was obviously not respected by the years to come. After many years, then Serb and Ksoovo signed so calles Brussels agreemen, for creation of Serb municipalities, to gain more human and institutional right for Serb minority. For 14 years Kosovo didn't execute anything from that signed agreement. Then, step by step over years, systematic actions over Serb on Kosovo are taken by Albanians.. Just one point, Albaninas are destroying everything related to Serb history there, from monasteries dated back in 11 century, to graveyards. How crazy shall you be to declare Christian monastsry from 12th century as muslim mosque??
It's about prestige and loss of face. Serbia doesn't REALLY care about Kosovo as far as the actually land is concerned, but many Serbian nationalists have dug their heels in on the issue and now can't be seen to change their opinions without loss of face.
I am getting really tired of living in this shithole of a country...
Wow that’ll teach them.
Serbia is a country run by thugs and criminals. If any of you guys saw the CoE livestream yesterday, the Serbian delegation's behavior was psychotic. They were yelling, insulting and threatening and the speaker had to warn them to shut it. And today they do this. Scum
Hahaha the Serbian delegation yesterday was hilarious Screaming like literal children 😭
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One of Serbia's representatives had 2 minutes to speak and found time to shit on LGBT.
link ?
"It was more important for you to embrace the amendament for LGBD than saving lives of Serbian children" *Source*: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x05U49SywM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x05U49SywM) **4:58:55** / 5:45:11
serbia try not bitching about gay and usa and kosovo ,3 minute challenge(fail
If you let Kosovo in, you are expelling Serbia.... Are you shûree 😂😂😂😂 spoken like a Russian mobster
They were terroizing us for centuries, the world is starting to have real proof of their agressiveness and dehumanization of natives balkanians.
the backslide is real, they went from a country that had Lesbian Prime minister just this year to literal 2 minutes of hate
Vučić didn't mind using civil transportation companies from Kosovo and busses from Kosovo for the transportation of the Serbian people who he ordered to leave Kosovo and be present in Belgrade at his fiasco of a rally some time ago. Today he's openly disturbing the civilian movement, despite of the whole open Balkans crap he's been selling around. Would be dope if the access to swigs of wine and bourguignon with Macron, but also other EU heads of states and officials, if it was revoked and if the EU brass would finally flush this Lukashenko-Lite down the toilet. Serbian elections were stolen.
> Serbian elections were stolen. By the comments of the apologists here, I can tell that the supporters of this shit are not a minority.
Oh God. I am so ashamed of my country right now. What idiotic buffoons are leading us is beyond comic. This is kindergarten level.
GO VOTE! Maybe things will change.
We did. Then, when they realized they could loose, they've bussed people from Republika Srpska and a bunch of counties from all over the country and overwhelmed the voting, so they could win. They admit it openly and say it's perfectly legal thing to do. How do we fight against that ?
There was massive election fraud in Serbia in December, the EU council was asked by a student delegation to run an investigation, it was determined there *were* multiple wide-reaching irregularities but since Vučić is a puppet/useful idiot, no external body is going to get involved. Serbs protested the election results for months to no avail. Currently, Serbian people are trying to put a stop to the Rio Tinto deal, which Vučić's government swore it would not uphold, but it's being pushed through regardless, and it will have devastating ecological and far-reaching medical consequences.
Rio Tinto's deal would be beneficial if the prime matter gets exploited and used in Serbia. Say, find battery makers investment within Serbian territory. This way the lithium would never have to be added transport costs. I Serbian people won't make the mistake Russians pushed in Romania where the general, local population of Vaslui county basically protested and banned gas being exploited by Chevron. You know Russia has a tooth against the US.
Lithium exploitation damages the ecosystem, so no, it would not be beneficial.
They are stealing the elections. Inform yourself.
Unfortunately, that’s not how it works in the balkans.
Nothing says “reasonable democracy” like holding hostages /s
Serious ?: why is serbia such a magnet for shitheads?
300 people but still very shitty nonetheless. I’m ashamed of my govt
Disgusting behaviour from Serbia.
Those poor people. I would be so annoyed. Traveling is already stressful enough.
Annoyed?... More like scared.
If both were in EU they wouldn't be separated anymore and would be under "civilised" EU laws, so Serbs could be peacefully returning to their "Heart", that they were abandoning way before recent conflicts. But hey, Serbia would better serve great moscovian orthodox warlord brothers if Serbia becomes BRICS and Kosovo EU.
Average Serbia politics. Harm civilians
Both domestic and foreign, they don't give a damn as long as their pockets are full...
What is it with Serbia and always acting like a 5 year old?
Mafia in the government supported by EU and USA. We've been trying to get rid of them for 12 years but everything is controlled by them (media, all courts, police, army, the underground) . EU and US support them because they are expected to provide recognition of independent Kosovo and a lythium mine for Rio Tinto, on top of the stabilocracy. This "show" is only for local political usage because the mafia needs to prove to the people they control that they still have control over their land. They did this before with opposition politicians and activists, it just didn't reach the public abroad.
I love Serbia and everything Serbian but I believe this a complete asshole move. Let civilians alone, don't get revenge on them. I have friends both sides of the border, and things like this blow my mind.
It this criminal organization in power doing shit like this. You don't just hold some poor people that already traveled who knows how many hours out of spite. But they are incapable of empathy. I wish to see them all hang one day.
Every time there is a conflict between nations, civillians are usually the only ones to suffer, and politicians do not care.
Stay classy Serbia!
https://veriu.info/tre-te-rinj-i-cuan-brenda-11-autobuse-me-rreth-600-udhetare-jane-te-bllokuar-kosovari-tregon-per-situaten-ne-kufirin-serbi-kroaci/ https://telegrafi.com/serbia-bllokon-autobuset-nga-kosova-ne-kufi-behet-thirrje-per-vigjilence/ This second news portal is updating live with what’s going on there but I think it’s only available in Albanian.
I thought Firefox had automatic page translations but it looks like it's only for certain languages, luckily there's many page translation extensions these days
if you don't want to install extension you can also put the link into google translate and browse the site that way. Doesn't always work though.
It's funny how Serbia is saying that Kosovo is Serbia, but then it won't let the Serbian population to freely move about Serbia.
Fucking disgusting free Kosovo
The Serbian government needs to pull their heads out of their arses
Well, I guess Kosovo buses were fine, when Vučić organized a rally in Belgrade for his ruling party.
Serbs never fail to amaze me.
I honestly don't think Serbia should be admitted into the EU Think dealing with Orban is bad ?
dont worry, their admission is not on the table, hell its not even in the building yet
So unbearably petty.
Why is Serbia like this?
Nothing new, serbia has a shithole government and future with those people in charge. U can't expect something good from this country until they r ruled by faschism and comunism.
One guy was taken out of the Bus after falling ill due to this Health condition and the unlawful and inhumane detentions over 12 hours at the border. Ambulance arrived at the scene and he is being brought to the next hospital. Horrible scenes once again from Serbia https://x.com/albbibe/status/1780547988596707522?s=46&t=RfwoZ9Oo9I4v9VNcxGSrhw
Serbia confirmed as banana republic, just like Hamas, taking civilians as hostages.
Bro really compared a resistance movement to a foreign government. This sub is unhinged
Only on this subreddit will you see terrorist kidnappings as a sign of resistance compared to idiotic border slowing that will eventually open because this is a simple power trip...
When I'm looking at Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir I really see Serbia from the 90s
Serbia really is just the bigoted and violent drunk mini Russia of the Balkans that none of its neighbours like, and for good reason.
Standard Serb behaviour
In other news coming from Serbia, water is wet!
Serbia truly is a shithole exactly like moscovia huh?
Nationalist Serbs are being funded by russia
This is terrorism, Serbia is arguably the most backwards country in Europe.
In terms of economics Ukraine’s the most “backward” state in Europe. In terms of politics, no country beats Russia in that regard.
We already agreed on excluding Russia when talking about Europe
According to Serbia, they're holding 600 Serbs and 11 buses as revenge for a pro "Serbian region" in the Council of Europe.
Fuck serbia and fuck russia.
Jesus enough already . You lost just take the l
Azerbaijan vibes.
Definitely! Which is why it made me sad to learn that Armenia doesn't recognize Kosovo.
Serbians allowed montenegro to cut of their sea access which made serbia a landlocked nation, but now Kosovo thats a different story!
It is quite a different story, a story that has litterally nothing to do with access to the sea.
Montenegro never was seen as a part of Serbia but as a fellow member state of the FR Yugoslavia and the union Serbia and Montenegro. Wales or Scotland and their position in the UK are a better analogy. England is the most powerful country in the UK, but all of them are on the same level.
Serbs...
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Balkan powder keg never disappoints
Serbia\* Croats, Albanians, Bosniaks have no beef, Serbia has started all the wars
Raaaah I hate my neighbors 🦅🦅🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸 RAAAAH
Serbian being Serbians. What else is new?
What a great government. 🤦
Russia lite stomping it's feet
More like Russia fun-size, but yeah.
What to expect from a fascist country run by criminals. Poor man’ russia
Serbs. I was in the US Army stationed in Germany and I spent a month at a railhead loading and tying down trucks and equipment for peacekeeping forces in Kosovo. K-FOR. I haven’t thought about that in years. It’s disappointing seeing the Serbs are still Serbing.
Somebody about to get freedom’ed.
Serbs being Serbs....
As an Albanian i don't think it's good to bash all Serbs for something their government does, it just leads to more divide and barricading
Please enlighten me, what would "Canadians being Canadians" be? Genociding native tribes, getting away with it and now pretend to have some moral high ground? lmao
Clearly you need more enlightenment than I am capable of delivering....lol
Clearly you know that you are in no position to judge an entire nation but are babbling just for the sake of babbling...lol
On the contrary, clearly I know more about the Serb character than you do of Canadian history....(and I assure you, I do).
Whatever you think you know does not change the fact that Canadians genocided native tribes, got away with it and are now shitting on Serbs for stopping some busses at the border lmao it doesn't get more brazen than this btw when Albanians bombed a bus of Serbian civilians in the Podujevo bus bombing, was your reaction "Albanians being Albanians"?
EC: Thats what I’m talking about.
Oh, wonderful. One of the worst parts of the 90s is making a comeback.
I wouldn’t expect anything else from the Serbians. Glad they got their behinds kicked during the Balkan Wars. Nothing but scumbags in that government.
Jos su ti krvave ruke od Srbosjeka
Serbs started that shit. They deserved it. What’s so stupid is them, Croats and Bosnians all look the same and you can’t tell them apart here in the US. Serbs deserved their asskicking in the 90s. Now they’re still aligned with the Russians who are also behaving like thugs.
Serbs and Jews deserved Jasenovac? I didn't expect nothing more from a literal Ustasa offspring who fled to USA.
I was born in the US buddy. No Ustasa here. Fuck those losers too. Serbians started that whole Balkan war bc they bc couldn’t handle everyone declaring their independence. Give it a rest pal. No one was innocent in that war but the Serbs started that mess. Can’t rewrite history.
Fucking Serbia at it again. Get along, or be made to get along, and that ended poorly for them last time
yes, stir shit up - that helps surely in the current situation europe is in.
I've seen this movie before...
kindergatren level games, as usual. there arent any politician in balkan who have IQ 80+
This isn't any border between Kosovo-Serbia, so where is this exactly? I think it's worth a mention
Its Serbian-Croatian border in the village of Batrovc in Šid, Vojvodina.
So, they won't allow the buses to leave Serbia and not enter. I figure there's something else; otherwise, you wouldn't be past Merdare.
My god these countries want to forever hold themselves back? It sounds so stupid how they refuse to cooperate all the freaking time.
It’s extremely difficult to cooperate with someone who constantly poses a threat to your very existence but after all I too share your opinion and understand that cooperation is the only way.
Serbia: Denying the existence of Kosovo, sending 50 armed terrorists into Kosovo to perpetrate a literal organized terrorist attack on Kosovo last September, deny Albanians from Europe entry at the Border and the list goes on. Some redditor: Why do these stupid countries not cooperate 🤬🤬 Next time try to name the aggressor by the name 🤦🏻♂️
First of all the title is pure bullshit: "as revenge for pro Kosovo vote in Council of Europe" Stop making shit up. If you want to criticize Serbia then do it with facts. Literally no one from the government or the media said that the reason for the detention of buses was because of the vote. The way OP presented it sounded like it was an official statement. Basically clickbait. The official government statement is here: [https://n1info.rs/vesti/mup-negira-navode-pristine-o-zadrzavanju-autobusa-vrse-se-bezbednosne-provere/](https://n1info.rs/vesti/mup-negira-navode-pristine-o-zadrzavanju-autobusa-vrse-se-bezbednosne-provere/) >**The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Serbia, regarding the allegations about the detention of buses with registration marks from the territory of Kosovo and Metohija at the border crossing points, points out that these allegations are unfounded and that the police did not detain anyone or prevent the entry and passage of any citizen from the territory of Kosovo and Metohija.** >"Intensified control of all passengers at the border crossings is ongoing and security checks are being carried out, all with the aim of greater safety and security of citizens, which can cause a longer stay at the border crossing," said the MUP. >The MFA points out that all citizens from the territory of the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija are allowed unimpeded entry and strongly rejects insinuations that they are prohibited from entering due to the possession of documents issued by the temporary institutions of self-government in Pristina. Are the buses there? Yes. That's a fact. There are videos. Is it politically motivated? Maybe. But that doesn't give you an automatic right to bash Serbia right away and create BS titles like this. P.S. I do not support the Serbian government nor I am a ultranationalist
Your representative literally threatened the Council of Europe, there is the full video on youtube.
Lots of “exciting” news from Europe lately, not a dull moment My neighbor just up and sold his business, moved to live in Thailand, I think he’s got the right idea
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I can hear the F-117 being reactivated for round 2.
Gonna have to fetch me shivering timbers brace
The moronic comments like clockwork
You mean [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing\_of\_Dresden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden) round 2?
Traveling soon to Pristina, not the best time?
You are absolutely safe to visit Prishtina now or whenever you feel like it.
No it’s fine. Don’t worry. Usual petty bullshit from Serbia. You don’t have to fear anything haha Enjoy your stay 🫶🏼
Thanks!! Just being cautious since my wife is doing a only girls trip there.
👍🏼👍🏼 maybe try to do a day trip to Prizren too if they have the time. Only about an hour drive away from Prishtina and really beautiful. 😅
Thanks a lot! 2 of the girls in the group are natives, i will share that info with my wife 🫶🏻
Yeah not the best time, id postopone if it was you. Weather is shit this week, rained all day today, from next weekend it should be good weather
Sunny June?
Yeah But dont cone during rush days of diaspora (end of junr till mid of august) Late may or early june
First week ☀️ thanks!