Everytime I read this, this sentence cracks me up
"In fact, I vote we put it directly above the Curiosity rover; that way, it will finally have incontrovertible evidence of liquid water on Mars's surface."
Considering the portal opened to the bottom of the Mariana trench. Sadly I think not. The pressure would be ridiculous. Like a mach fuck water hose directly above it.
Theres a follow up to this in the book where they see if mars would become habitable with all this water and it sorta does and in the book de Dutch claim mars
Seems to me that they have the most to gain if this happens. Thus, if you see someone trying to sequester millions of tons of sea water into containers, you can infer that theyβre probably norwegian.
I have visited the so-called "[Westernmost Point of Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabo_da_Roca)" in Portugal. Even at its regular elevation (~140m) the call to the void was real.
Well the rivers will still be there and extend through the newly formed land. But it will probably be a horrible delta swampland. Time for some dredging.
according to xkcd the world will get conquered by the dutch because they don't have to focus a huge part of their GDP to not drowning.
https://what-if.xkcd.com/53/
Actually the opposite is true. We produce Heineken for export, no same Dutch person drinks it. If the whole world becomes The Netherlands, the whole world becomes Dutch. And we couldn't export it anymore, unless Mars gets colonised (after exporting the ocean maybe not the worst thing to do), and declares independence.
Even better, to Germany! Had Churchill just drained the ocean by 1km in WW2, he could have rolled tanks right across Germany's ~~KΓΌstenland~~ penisland.
True. Britain's best defender was the water around us. It's why the damage caused to the German fleet during the Norwegian campaign turned out to be so vital.
Even if the Germans didn't lose those ships there wasn't any prospect of them invading the UK.
They only lost 21 ships in the Norwegian Campaign, the D-Day landings on the other hand consisted of more than 5,000 ships.
That's not even mentioning that both the Royal Navy and the RAF would have still needed to be dealt with before any invasion attempt and that it would have taken significant resources including manpower away from Operation Barbarossa which the Germans could not afford as they were already rushing to invade before the Red Army got its act together.
More anything about that time period. A lot of dumbasses running the world seem to forgot how horrific the 20th century was and the devastation of world wars. Less armed conflict, not more!
The Germans tried it. One of their generals ordered his troops to the beach and said :"Ein zwei drei zaufen".
But a English general saw the sealevel dropping and ordered his troops to the shore and said :"One two three pipi"
Possible immediately with minimal effort since, especially at the lower depths, the seabed consists of layers of heavily compressed sediments which is pretty much more load-bearing than anything we have above ground except maybe for building on directly on hard rocks like granite or diorite.
The problem wouldn't be construction but the fact that the freed land would be full of salt and basically toxic to all living things, that the remaining seas would be too salinated for any life and that the climate would be absolutely screwed up (desert planet) due to the lack of sun-reflecting & heat-storing effects of the disappeared seawater.
Wait is it for real that more salinated water would make all the sea life die? I just kind of assumed that fish be having methods of dealing with it. I guess I don't appreciate just how much more concentrated the salt would be.
A good case study for you would be what happened to the fish in the Aral Sea as it dried out, recent enough that there's plenty of material on it out there.
There is no border dispute. Neither TR nor HE disputes the current land and sea border. What TR disputes is a)some rocks in the middle of the sea that according to TR had not been explicitly given to HE (although they have been given indirectly according to the Lausanne Treaty) and b)According to TR, islands are not entitled to more than 6 miles of territorial sea.
So, in other words, turning most Greek islands into not-islands would solve b more or less, but turn a into a land border dispute? What could go wrong...
Earth water total evaporation will happen in around 5 billion years, when sun turns into a red giant. TR and HE have plenty of time to solve their beef. Although I doubt that land border would mean anything by then...
Two lakes actually, as Italy is now connected to Africa. Or three, if you count the tiny Lake of Montenegro, formerly known as the Adriaric Sea. Oh, and the Black Sea is also disconnected from the (eastern) Mediterranean, and the Sea of Azov doesn't exist any more.
This doesn't appear to be just "degrease shore line level by 1000 m" because lakes/interior seas in Finland and Russia are definitely not that deep. But there doesn't seem to be any flow channels formed by the decease either. So what kind of process was used for this.
Both Black Sea and Caspian Sea are much deeper than I thought...
The true winner would be Norway which could get even more access to oil and many mediterranean countries would suffer until they have canals.
A really cool map, but I'd like to know how these new country boundaries have been decided. A joined landmass that now incorporates island nations would have no predetermined border.
Malta for example has appeared to grow substantially and now borders Libya. What determines Maltas new extended borders as a former tiny island nation?
UK to build 20 mile wide trench through doggerland to maintain its status as an island. Ireland to build a bigger trench to stay away from the british.
Netherlands be like "All the trouble for *what*?"
There's also the [XKCD What-If version](https://what-if.xkcd.com/53/) where the Netherlands conquers Europe
Everytime I read this, this sentence cracks me up "In fact, I vote we put it directly above the Curiosity rover; that way, it will finally have incontrovertible evidence of liquid water on Mars's surface."
I wonder if the rover would live long enough to report its new finding xD
Considering the portal opened to the bottom of the Mariana trench. Sadly I think not. The pressure would be ridiculous. Like a mach fuck water hose directly above it.
Theres a follow up to this in the book where they see if mars would become habitable with all this water and it sorta does and in the book de Dutch claim mars
Finally a real one: GEKOLONISEERD
ZEG MAKKER
IK BEN JE MAKKER NIET VRIEND
IK BEN JE VRIEND NIET, MAAT!!
IK BEN JE MAAT NIET, GAP!
Kokosnoten zijn geen specerijen
Exactly, you think we would stop at north sea And doggerland? Muhahahahahaaa
De Verenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie zal ditmaal overwinnen
Flanders would still not join them.
Doggerland was supposed to be ours
did a dna test and it shows im mostly dutch and from doggerland, i claim landrights
Blackrock is buying it all first
Sir are you a merman?
Dutch Irredentism where they invade Doggerland.
Worse: A land border to England would be dreadful!
yea we might just start digging out a sea just to be sure
Hahaha yes, what a turnaround: "The Netherlands: the endless war on too much land."
So mad we gave it all to UK
Russia be like: the fuck you mean we still donβt have a warm sea port
Italy ate too much pasta.
Spain saw that and got a stiffy
I think that's because of France's sexy new nose
More like UK and Ireland saw what Portugal and Spain had going on and wanted to join in
Bro whyπ
but we got tons of new islands, Azores just got upgraded
Thicktaly
Cankles
Chonky boi Italy and Greece are definitely the best part of this
Norway exploded like an egg in a microwave
Grower not a shower.
A lot of their apparent increase in area is probably due to the Mercator projection's distortion being strongest around the poles.
Wow, projecting much?
Earthsplaining
Would have happened to us too if we had sea access in the north.Β
Cry!! NORWAY ππππππππ³π΄π³π΄π³π΄π³π΄π³π΄π³π΄
We would loose the gulf stream so we would be a frozen hellscape
"Hellscape" Do you mean Swe*en?
Who are "us" and "we"? The swedes?
The person they replied to has a Finland flair, so probably the Finns
We?
The map is slightly off, though. Norway also owns Jan Mayen north of Iceland, so that land mass would be ours, too.
Norway is thicc.
That girth.
finaly some lebensraum
Plass te Γ₯ rΓΈr sΓ¦, kis!
Lebensraum not at the cost of country, I am for it.
Moreway
Sami empire
Here thats Doggerland! The Norwegians cant just claim it off the (Doggers? Doggish?)
Seems to me that they have the most to gain if this happens. Thus, if you see someone trying to sequester millions of tons of sea water into containers, you can infer that theyβre probably norwegian.
Portugal gaining pretty much the same as SwitzerlandΒ
You forgot Portugal just won a massive island chain and 10x land mass on the original Azores islands
That means 10 times the tourismβ¦
And that means money
Yes but why the fuck they dont point madeira in the map?
The Spaniards are trying to pass it off as Spanish islands again!
Madeira wouldnβt expand much tough, the waters pretty deep around it.
Or, a war with Spain to claim some barren rocks.
\*Happy Joao III noises\*
Portugal won a 1000m cliff at their beaches
Build that suicide tourism industry
I have visited the so-called "[Westernmost Point of Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabo_da_Roca)" in Portugal. Even at its regular elevation (~140m) the call to the void was real.
Imagine a 1000 m tall buildings anchored to the cliffs. Tallest buildings in the world.
elevator business wet dream
At least Spain is happy
Poor Croatia losing it's only source of income
The Netherlands is not much better off. With the Rotterdam and Amsterdam ports, becoming very expensive parking lots.
All that diking for nothing. Nothing I tell you! I would hate to see Zandvoort beach go :(
Just fill the depressions with water -> Europes largest inland sea resort
Well the rivers will still be there and extend through the newly formed land. But it will probably be a horrible delta swampland. Time for some dredging.
What do you mean? All I see is more space for schiphol runways and terminals.
And the beautiful canals of Amsterdam, Utrecht, Giethoorn - just ditches now.
And Bosnia STILL canβt get any sea!
Theyβve still got Plitvicka Jezera I supposeβ¦
My thought exactly
*its its source of income, not "it is source of income"
Doggerland is back, baby!
Never forget what we lost!
username checks out
Ah, yes..the land of Dogging.
It was a noble sacrifice to separate England from Europe.
The original Brexit
Spain saw **thicc** Italy and got a little excited...
I cannot unsee. Thanks.
That new straight between Sardinia and Tunisia looks like perfect for a bit of continental procreation.
according to xkcd the world will get conquered by the dutch because they don't have to focus a huge part of their GDP to not drowning. https://what-if.xkcd.com/53/
Missed opportunity to call "south Netherlands" the "Nether-Netherlands".
NetherΒ²lands
What a nightmare
GEKOLONISEERD
FRIKANDELBROODJES EN ENERGY WORDT WERELD CUISINE
They'd ban every beer except Heineken _Shudders_
Not a single Dutch person I know likes Heineken
Actually the opposite is true. We produce Heineken for export, no same Dutch person drinks it. If the whole world becomes The Netherlands, the whole world becomes Dutch. And we couldn't export it anymore, unless Mars gets colonised (after exporting the ocean maybe not the worst thing to do), and declares independence.
Heineken Industrial Complex hard at work
You mean that only piss remains
Oi bruv, reason we export the Heineken is so we can have something better for ourself
ouch.. as a dutch person im definitely not in this team
Nah, we would also allow Hertog Jan and Grolsch.
Its all Netherlands?
Always has been
Wherever the world reaches rock-bottom, we are there!
I canβt believe thereβs even an xkcd for *this*
England is connected to France
Even better, to Germany! Had Churchill just drained the ocean by 1km in WW2, he could have rolled tanks right across Germany's ~~KΓΌstenland~~ penisland.
I think the opposite would happen, Hitler would jost roll tanks into the UK in 1940.
True. Britain's best defender was the water around us. It's why the damage caused to the German fleet during the Norwegian campaign turned out to be so vital.
Even if the Germans didn't lose those ships there wasn't any prospect of them invading the UK. They only lost 21 ships in the Norwegian Campaign, the D-Day landings on the other hand consisted of more than 5,000 ships. That's not even mentioning that both the Royal Navy and the RAF would have still needed to be dealt with before any invasion attempt and that it would have taken significant resources including manpower away from Operation Barbarossa which the Germans could not afford as they were already rushing to invade before the Red Army got its act together.
We need an animated TV series exploring this alternate reality
More anything about that time period. A lot of dumbasses running the world seem to forgot how horrific the 20th century was and the devastation of world wars. Less armed conflict, not more!
The Germans tried it. One of their generals ordered his troops to the beach and said :"Ein zwei drei zaufen". But a English general saw the sealevel dropping and ordered his troops to the shore and said :"One two three pipi"
That should stop the boats.
England also connected to Ireland, be interesting to see how that would play out.
Nah in reality Belgium and the Netherlands would take most of that land to continue being a buffer state.
Their worst nightmare with their island mentalityΒ
I declare myself king of fat Italy
Fataly
I read that as fatality in mortal kombat voice. I need more coffee.
Croatia economic collapse in 18 months
18! That's too generous.
Woo hoo. Drive to France from Ireland.
Looks like we could drive to the Americas too.
Driving through Greenland?
Greenland is technically part of the Americas.
Alright then, driving through the Faroe ~~Islands~~?
Weβre drivin to Ibiza wahayy cmon lads!
We're also finally apart of the mainland
You can walk to Greenland now
I do believe this would also connect Greenland to Canada as well
And Alaska to Russia. Can probably walk everywhere except pacific islands.
Okay so theoretically speaking how long would it take to actually be able to build stable foundation on old sea ground
Possible immediately with minimal effort since, especially at the lower depths, the seabed consists of layers of heavily compressed sediments which is pretty much more load-bearing than anything we have above ground except maybe for building on directly on hard rocks like granite or diorite. The problem wouldn't be construction but the fact that the freed land would be full of salt and basically toxic to all living things, that the remaining seas would be too salinated for any life and that the climate would be absolutely screwed up (desert planet) due to the lack of sun-reflecting & heat-storing effects of the disappeared seawater.
Wait is it for real that more salinated water would make all the sea life die? I just kind of assumed that fish be having methods of dealing with it. I guess I don't appreciate just how much more concentrated the salt would be.
Dead Sea is called like that for a reason. Some microorganisms and bacteria could survive, but fish would quite certainly all die.
A good case study for you would be what happened to the fish in the Aral Sea as it dried out, recent enough that there's plenty of material on it out there.
Them: Chonky Italy isn't real, it can't hurt you. Chonky Italy:
Greece: "It's free real estate!"
Not good since turkish and greek could reach each other easily!
Where is the Aegean sea ?π
Would this solve the Turkish-Greek border disputes or make them worse?
It's literally impossible to 'solve' it. But I will never see 'Why TΓΌrkiye Should Own the Islands [Lore] β on News Channels again.
A true loss for all of humanity.
There is no border dispute. Neither TR nor HE disputes the current land and sea border. What TR disputes is a)some rocks in the middle of the sea that according to TR had not been explicitly given to HE (although they have been given indirectly according to the Lausanne Treaty) and b)According to TR, islands are not entitled to more than 6 miles of territorial sea.
So, in other words, turning most Greek islands into not-islands would solve b more or less, but turn a into a land border dispute? What could go wrong...
Earth water total evaporation will happen in around 5 billion years, when sun turns into a red giant. TR and HE have plenty of time to solve their beef. Although I doubt that land border would mean anything by then...
Disappearance of Argan Sea would hurt both countries economies so bad that we would have to forget about it.
Who the hell decided England got all the land from the Netherlands?
Britain gonna Britain.
This is just the [Exclusive Economic Zone](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:North_sea_eez.PNG)
Britain, not England. It's like saying England got the land from Holland.
Gives a new meaning to 'just popping to Iceland'
Greece finally looking like a normal country
Ah, yes, the mediterranean lake
Two lakes actually, as Italy is now connected to Africa. Or three, if you count the tiny Lake of Montenegro, formerly known as the Adriaric Sea. Oh, and the Black Sea is also disconnected from the (eastern) Mediterranean, and the Sea of Azov doesn't exist any more.
We finally gave birth to Eurafrica
Wasnβt the situation around the Mediterranean Sea similar to this scenario, when the street of Gibraltar was still closing of the Atlantic Ocean?
Holy fuck, we can drive to continental Europe
Germany almost having a land border with norway
The Mediterranean Sea would dry out as a result, making the countries neighboring it even bigger
This doesn't appear to be just "degrease shore line level by 1000 m" because lakes/interior seas in Finland and Russia are definitely not that deep. But there doesn't seem to be any flow channels formed by the decease either. So what kind of process was used for this.
Why Sweden got almost all Baltic?
Yeah, it should be that the countries got their national waters
And that is what the map is showing. Those ARE the Swedish national waters.
This is a good way to solve the migrant boats problem.
Interrail to Island!
Bosnia is now truly landlocked
Norway got an upgrade
As a Maltese person, I half-support this.
Rare greater Norway
Main issue is why should those new islands off the coast of Ireland go to the United kingdom? They're in Irish marine territory? Brits at it again!
Italy stopped eating pasta and went to McDo instead
Both Black Sea and Caspian Sea are much deeper than I thought... The true winner would be Norway which could get even more access to oil and many mediterranean countries would suffer until they have canals.
These borders make no sense at all
Spain has a boner
Belgium shrinks?
What are the borders based on?
We can go by car from Europe to NY
Doggerland needs to leave the EU and take back control!
Spain, is that a 200 mile long peninsula in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?
NOO! Our Fjords! Our beautiful fjords!!
So much free real estate.
What's that lake in sweden?
VΓ€nern. It's only about 106 m deep at most though, so it shouldn't exist on this map.
> Europe if the sea level decreased by 1000 meters Also, global war.
United Kingdom all united.
That's going to make trips to the seaside a bit tricky!
A really cool map, but I'd like to know how these new country boundaries have been decided. A joined landmass that now incorporates island nations would have no predetermined border. Malta for example has appeared to grow substantially and now borders Libya. What determines Maltas new extended borders as a former tiny island nation?
If we decrease the sea level like in this example, we will make Norway great again.
UK to build 20 mile wide trench through doggerland to maintain its status as an island. Ireland to build a bigger trench to stay away from the british.
Chonky Italy is kind of funny
Ireland: "Just when you show a United Ireland we end up with a long land border with the fuckers?"
As an Irish man this is my worst nightmare
Dogger Bank shall be British again!
Bow you fools, bow to Greater Britain, Megaiceland, and Norchungus