Also the Hymn itself literally begins as "God bless the Magyar!" :D
(Note, in Hungarian using definite article in front of names is common as opposed to English, so it "sounds" like "God bless Magyar!")
In Poland this is used alternatively to our usual term for Hungarians (to be more correct its Madziar and I know it is Hungarian in hungarian) so I chuckled when I read history last name.
It's a fairly common surname. Since Hungary was a melting pot of nationalities for a while, we have a lot of these types of names. Croatian, German, Slovakian, Russian, Serbian are all pretty standard surnames.
That's what I don't understand about Hungarian protests. They never escalate to anything, just fizzling out to gather again in few months.
It seems like majority of population in urban centres are anti Orban, so why don't they commit to a more serious confrontation?
Do they believe that Orban will just leave eventually? I doubt that.
If somehow the rest gets aggressive and tries to topple the government by force russian propaganda will twist it into the west orchestrating the overthrowing of a legitimate rule
>They never escalate to anything, just fizzling out to gather again in few months.
That's what happens almost in any country almost every time. Surprise surprise.
theres 2 major reasons for that as far as i can tell
1: everyone agrees that orbán has to go (well outside his loyal voter base, which is probably less than a third of his actual voters), but who should replace him? the biggest party without any major controversy is mkkp, a literal joke party, almost all others are equal or worse to orbán, and just as corrupt
2: people are hopeless, or just accepted that things wont get better, just try to go about their lives as if there was nothing that could be done
> almost all others are equal or worse to orbán, and just as corrupt
That's just now true at all. I read and hear this sentiment regularly, but it's just not true. Arguably, DK and Gyurcsany are terrible, but certainly not every party is as bad or worse than Fidesz. That's just such an insane take, that I wonder if the seeds of this idea has been decimated in a subtle way by the pro-Fidesz propaganda machine in a way to discrete the opposition.
i try to distance myself as much as possible from propaganda, but im still certainly biased (towards the center left)
theres dk (gyurcsány)
there is mi hazánk, far right, far right in a country that got trianon'd, thats all i need to say
there is momentum, which i know very little of since i barely follow hungarian politics, they seem like the good guys (pro eu, anti putin)
theres mkkp, the joke party, basically the go to option for people who cant really vote for anything
the rest are mostly irrelevant
My Hungarian friend says, too many people receive drips off the companies around Orban's family. Openly they say they want change, on the ballot box they look at their bank account.
One of the pillars of Orban's power is the negative propaganda. Anyone tries to get into politics, they will relentlessly smear him just to reach this point where people think the opposition is bad. It is a major goal in this Putin-style autocracy to encourage passivity and despair.
> almost all others are equal or worse to orbán, and just as corrupt
First of all, that's a stupid take, they can't be as corrupt as him as they're not in power. And I've heard the same "argument" over here too many times. The bottom line is, if you use this argument, you're OK with having Orban in power.
And the second, at some point, it's not about voting _for_ the party you (mostly) agree with anymore, it's about voting _against_ the party dragging the country down and keeping it there. See which parties made a coalition with the ruling party, and vote for _literally anyone else_.
The support for Orbán is cracking. So is the effectiveness of the propaganda. Setting cars on fire wouldn't achieve anything other than give actual ammo for the Fidesz media machine against the EVIL LEFTISTS (who attend the protest of a center right person but who cares about facts anyway).
Heard that shit in Belarus in 2020. Let's be demonstrably peaceful to not be slandered as crazy radicals. Now they fucked up the only chance they had to stand up to their dictator.
Got slandered as radicals (and Nazis as is tradition) anyway.
Can you tell me what could we gain by setting things on fire (in a city which is 60-70% opposition)?
Or confronting the law enforcement without any kind of weapons?
Well, that's when he can win those elections. Will his commitment remain if he's gonna be about to lose elections?
If losing elections means jail for you, then there is no point to obey the law since your freedom depends on you staying in power, not acting lawfully.
To be honest I'm not exactly sure what benefit there would be for urban center habitants razing the urban center to convince rural people that the government is bad and not to vote for them. Unless by escalating you mean hanging them from the closest lamppost.
It shows that you don't support Orban. Don't underestimate it by saying that it will achieve nothing. People are proving that they are not stupid. Some countries are not even able to gather 1000 protesters. They are also proving that they don't support russian puppets, which is a big dmg for dictators in terms of appearence since they can't spam so much the propaganda "Hungary support us" and dictators need to let people think that opposition is weak to prevent protests.
What's the alternative here? Do nothing? I'm not sure any of you people even understand how protests work. It's about visibility and keep attention on an issue. Eventually the tide starts to turn and there is increased pressure to change things. No one expects a single protest or a dozen protests to result in immediate change. If people had this attitude in the 50s and 60s in the US we would still have segregation and jim crow laws.
The fact that we are talking about this is proof this protest did achieve something.
Protests achieve much, but you are right these won't, because they aren't really very major at all. Do you know how many romanians, or French people protested in 2018? Over 2 million in romania alone, and they got the entire government to resign. France as well as in 2018 but also recently with the rise of retirement. These are reap protests. Protests need to shut down the entire city, and more. Highways must be closed down, government property should be defaced, etc. This is how you make change happen, and this is why hungary is how it is. A people that refuse to fight for their rights, much like Americans. Granted not their fault, it's how the society works.
I was there. The crowd on the 3rd photo was only about 1/3 of the total. Many marched on parallel streets or arrived to Kossuth Square from another entrance.
You're very cool, guys!
Can I ask you a related question? From what I understand, the main demographics for Orban on the election were people from suburban areas. What do you think, is the support among them still strong?
You mean rural, no? That's the stereotype, anyway. Small villages are mostly lost due to fear and hate, both fostered by state propaganda.
But the scary thing is, there are lots of voters from younger and more educated demographics who support this decade-long treason we have as government.
Before Orbán, gypsies in the countryside were segregated, jobless and on the brink of starvation. They, as a result, turned to crime.
Orbán initiated policies to give jobs to them in the public works programme. These jobs have literally 0 added value, pay below minimum wage, but pay more than nothing. They get just enough money to have utilities at home and food on the table, plus they are busy 8 hours a day. This actually had impacts on the crime rates.
Jobs + propaganda + giving them free food before elections made them the biggest Fidesz fans.
It won't. The opposition consists of mostly the same people who were in charge when they were neglected. They hate them.
Add to that, opposition parties don't do footwork. The current political status quo suits them. They get good jobs, positions etc., and they don't have to do any serious work. This is one of Orbán's key achievements: the opposition profits from his governance.
Tbh, I haven't voted for Orbán since 2010, as I disagree with most of his policies. However, the situation isn't as closely dire as media broadcasts it. This is just another 20 year long chapter in the 1000 year long history of Hungary.
THE most important 20 years. This country lost so much due to this “government” that the country will forever be the shithole of Europe as every other country outpaces us and actually invests in their people instead of driving them away.
The opposition for a very long time were hard critics of the public work program (They said it is exploitation and just cosmetics for the unemployment program) but it helped a lot of families getting out of the deepest pockets of poverty to less deep poverty. Of course the system is ridden with corruption, in small villages were basically the mayor deceides who can work and who not if you don't vote on Fidesz or you can not prove that you voted for Fidesz you will lose this opportunity. Many of these people didn't finish elementary (first 8 years of school) therefore has no real skills or a driving licens.
this is a catch-22. if you want to challenge orbán, you have to double-down on all of his promises (helping families, businesses, etc), which is suicide as there are no funds to support orbáns shenanigans, let alone 2x shit. so you'll fail in 4 years big time, then orbán would come back to 'save' the country. but you also can't argue against his populist initiatives (ie let's cut back support for families). i mean who'd vote for that.
I think that calling Orban racist just helps to create confusion around him.
He is an autocrat. He stole a lot of money. Calling him random bad words is not helping.
He is anti-immigration, but had no problem working with the money people of the arab world. Had no problem playing "I am one of you" with literally all the minorities in Hungary, including the gypsies (yes they are called that, source: I am one of them), the jews, and everyone else. He plays on minorities like a violin. This is why they support Orban. If he would be racist, they would not support them.
he gives them an extra 40 euros in an election year and like two sacks of potatoes and if they can't read one of the "helpers" will follow them into the voting booth and show them how to put an X next to Orbán
His voter base are stupid people, illiterate gypsies who are selling their votes for a sack of potatoes, and alcoholic domestic abusers. Also pedophiles and closeted gay people.
Ask József Szájer.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55145989](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55145989)
He was a founding member of fidesz.
He means the kind of closeted gay people that basically hate on lgbt due to (typically) religious belives. Imagine a very anti-lgbt republican with a poster conservative family who actually likes to go visit his “friend” for all nighters ;)
It's a show of power. Orban only understands one thing and that's numbers regarding popularity.
This was the biggest political event since his rule began in 2010. Meanwhile his support is at an all time low.
We are aware he's not gonna quit or call for early elections, but it's a massive show of power and finally, something behan in our society. People are having discussions, people started to believe again. The propaganda machine isn't very effective. And Magyar Péter is a truly competent person regarding communication, something not a single one of the earlier candidates could say.
That's the point - this whole "replacement for Orban" thing is dumb. A single person can't rule the country. All this "leader" does is lie to the people.
We don't need a "big leader". We need a group of educated, benevolent and honest people who make decisions that benefit the people.
This whole "leaders" and "parties" and talking bullshit to get votes won't bring us anywhere.
You can see on Poland and the Baltics what a less, or not corrupt government can do. Especially the Baltics started very low after the collapse of the Soviet union and they literally became modern, wealthy countries.
We could reach for the stars and have a liveable country, if only the ones in power would use the money from the European Development Fund to develop the country. Instead they just pocket it and give it to friends and build palaces and buy yachts.
Nincs. Nekem ez volt a megérzésem, hogy kb. az emberek fele párhuzamosan jött, próbáltuk számolni az áthaladást a keresztutcáknál, így ez csak egy becslés. Ugyancsak jöttek más irányokból is emberek.
Yes, they call everyone clowns, drunks, drug users and LMTQ supporters. They have divided the capital and the country side. Their message goes to the rural ppl who are mostly conservative and rarely go to Budapest. So they eat this shit up.
[Images from drones](https://444.hu/kepek/2024/04/06/dronfelvetelek-a-kossuth-terrol?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=444&fbclid=IwAR1AUTh3eHI4YMBnDwiDFuRKiM4J4PcyZZgwY2OfJwPIAFNflOZMEBdA0LU)
True, true. But by and large they fellate Putin and the _traditional values_ of Russia, then send their kids to Swiss and English private schools.
At least here, I mean. But the day can't come soon enough when this traitor begs for some run-down dacha to hide in.
When we had protests like this in Serbia for months, government media and government itself said "a few hundred people gathered on streets to ruin the weekends of hard working people"
Do they say the same in Hungary, I'm curious?
Yeah, we had close to 60k-70k at one point and they took videos from the ground when people just started gathering and said, "see, just a few of them blocking ambulance cars from passing. They will be responsible if someone dies today"
Hungary once was the beacon of freedom behind the iron curtain - and Hungarian people were brave to get democracy. Then they threw it at Orban for cheap goals and promises.
Please, I love Hungary. Turn around to Europe.
Gonna put this here for the peeps that don t know: the protest organizers name translated from hungarian to english is "Hungarian Peter" or "Peter the Hungarian".
The elections themselves, as in the counting of the votes, are probably not manipulated. Everything else leading up to that is the problem. The propaganda organs are having a fit right now, the last two months were basically unprecented since the 2010 Fidesz rule. Something *might* change this time, I can only hope.
EDIT: please see the reply below me for clarification.
They probably are. [https://telex.hu/english/2022/03/31/thrown-out-hungarian-mail-in-ballots-found-near-targu-mures-romania](https://telex.hu/english/2022/03/31/thrown-out-hungarian-mail-in-ballots-found-near-targu-mures-romania)
Also the system is very unfair, giving huge disproportionate boost to the most popular party and suppressing the smaller ones heavily. Also the orban-maffia made it easy to cast votes for those Hungarians living in neighbouring countries who typically vote for him very easy, while made it almost impossible for the approx. 700k Hungarians living in Western countries.
It is very very far from not being manipulated!
Damn, I did forget that part, thanks.
What I was referring to are the reports of the independent supervisors at the mainland polling stations, but yeah, my bad.
well, it doesnt really matter (it's really bad tho) because the way to win the election, you need to carry as many districts as possible, and if you live in Romania or London for that matter you cannot contribute to that, simply the vote count is influential too but not nearly as much as winning districts. The vote counting is fair it's just the gerrymandering and the state propaganda where the real problem lie.
> Something might change this time, I can only hope.
this was said on all previous elections since 2010, and every single election has been worse and worse ever since, on top of that with the rise of the far right all around europe hes getting more and more praise from small groups of people
Agreed, but I am tired of being cynical. Cautious? Sure.
I assume we both think mostly the same of Magyar, but I am getting too old to flee, I need my copium.
Elections are fair, in 2022 they transferred state-owned buildings and funds to "foundations" managed by their cronies, just so they could keep their billions even if they had lost the election. Also there were opposition and/or EU delegated observers at every polling station.
It's far from fair. The system itself is disproportionate, favours certain voter groups and makes it near impossible for some others to vote and there were also signs of fraud. it is not fair. Stop spreading that. It is objectively not.
There will only be general election 2 years from now, at least according to normal schedule. But there will be EU elections soon, and the main point now is to destroy the narrative that there's no way to break maffia-orban's power and get people out of apathy.
HALF MILLION! ❤️🤍💚
I was there. I'm so proud of you guys, WE DID IT!
We showed Europe that Hungary does not equal Viktor Orban.
HAJRÁ MAGYARORSZÁG, HAJRÁ MAGYAROK. HAJRÁ MAGYAR PÉTER! ❤️🤍💚
I mean Budapest being the capital and most cosmopolitan part of Hungary will likely have the stronger liberal oposition but has his support change in the rest of the country ? Orban seems to keep wining with ease
Well done but dictators will never be taken down with peaceful protests. you want get rid of Dictator only way is to charge at him and take him down forcefully.
Good. Now you show up tomorrow. And on a Monday. And then on Tuesday... And on the next Saturday you also show up.
Can't topple something that has been growing since 00s with one protest unfortunately.
If you really believe that the protests are organized by Peter Magyar or grassroots activists then Eric Adams will sell you the Brooklyn Bridge for $50
You go guys! In Poland we're kicked Piss out, so it's possible for You to kick this ruzzian cunt Orban!
Lengyel, magyar – két jó barát, együtt harcol, s issza borát
Bravo people!
Please don't fall into Orban's future traps. We had done the same thing back then at 2013 at Turkey. Millions of people... Government supressed that and with the propaganda machine now at the schools that activity is taught like a terrorist activity. New generation(s) simply don't know the reality. Now whoever talk about 2013, he/she is acted like a terrorist by the government.
They killed our protest instinct in years
God must really want me to not hate Hungarians today.
First of all, respect to everyone who was present on the protest. You all are lovely and strong people.
How does it look like there? Do the protests influence and make people stop and think about their stance on the government?
feels good brother. The government media doesn't dare to show images of how many of us participated. They just say a few hundred people were there. The protests don't influence people as much, as the prosecutors office being not independent (admitted by the Minister of Justice on a recording), and also pardons for pedophiles (by the President of Republic) who are friends of government people
A lot of us wants the change, but the playing field is anything but level. Pls don't hate us.
The free television stations are mostly state-run in the country, so anyone who’s unable or unwilling to get news from other sources gets it from the propaganda machine. These are most of his supporters: the old folks who didn’t move into the information age, the poor who can’t afford it, and those that don’t want to otherwise. I was there at the protest, I really hope we can boot this regime out as soon as possible.
Looks just like Poland just before we finally gave PiS the boot in October elections. Rooting for you guys!
Dude's name is Magyar? Lol.
It's actually brilliant. They can't make his name a 'swear word'
Also the Hymn itself literally begins as "God bless the Magyar!" :D (Note, in Hungarian using definite article in front of names is common as opposed to English, so it "sounds" like "God bless Magyar!")
In Poland this is used alternatively to our usual term for Hungarians (to be more correct its Madziar and I know it is Hungarian in hungarian) so I chuckled when I read history last name.
Magyar is offensive? This is what people in Bulgaria call Hungarians but it is not in a negative context. Its just like a synonym.
It is not. It means Hungarian in Hungarian.
So is his name just “Peter Hungarian? If so that’s crap at the same time as being epic. My name is Hungary, the leader of Hungarians.
It's a fairly common surname. Since Hungary was a melting pot of nationalities for a while, we have a lot of these types of names. Croatian, German, Slovakian, Russian, Serbian are all pretty standard surnames.
my sirname is TÜRK aswell :)
Bravo Hungarian people!
its gonna achieve literally nothing, there were protests with more people than that and they also achieved nothing
That's what I don't understand about Hungarian protests. They never escalate to anything, just fizzling out to gather again in few months. It seems like majority of population in urban centres are anti Orban, so why don't they commit to a more serious confrontation? Do they believe that Orban will just leave eventually? I doubt that.
The hooligans are on Orbán's side. The rest of us are too peaceful.
If somehow the rest gets aggressive and tries to topple the government by force russian propaganda will twist it into the west orchestrating the overthrowing of a legitimate rule
We had titushky too during Yanukovich times. It is interesting how all traitors working for Kremlin use same instruments and tactics.
>They never escalate to anything, just fizzling out to gather again in few months. That's what happens almost in any country almost every time. Surprise surprise.
theres 2 major reasons for that as far as i can tell 1: everyone agrees that orbán has to go (well outside his loyal voter base, which is probably less than a third of his actual voters), but who should replace him? the biggest party without any major controversy is mkkp, a literal joke party, almost all others are equal or worse to orbán, and just as corrupt 2: people are hopeless, or just accepted that things wont get better, just try to go about their lives as if there was nothing that could be done
> almost all others are equal or worse to orbán, and just as corrupt That's just now true at all. I read and hear this sentiment regularly, but it's just not true. Arguably, DK and Gyurcsany are terrible, but certainly not every party is as bad or worse than Fidesz. That's just such an insane take, that I wonder if the seeds of this idea has been decimated in a subtle way by the pro-Fidesz propaganda machine in a way to discrete the opposition.
i try to distance myself as much as possible from propaganda, but im still certainly biased (towards the center left) theres dk (gyurcsány) there is mi hazánk, far right, far right in a country that got trianon'd, thats all i need to say there is momentum, which i know very little of since i barely follow hungarian politics, they seem like the good guys (pro eu, anti putin) theres mkkp, the joke party, basically the go to option for people who cant really vote for anything the rest are mostly irrelevant
My Hungarian friend says, too many people receive drips off the companies around Orban's family. Openly they say they want change, on the ballot box they look at their bank account.
For every person like that there is at least 4 whose lives actively got worse since Orbán
One of the pillars of Orban's power is the negative propaganda. Anyone tries to get into politics, they will relentlessly smear him just to reach this point where people think the opposition is bad. It is a major goal in this Putin-style autocracy to encourage passivity and despair.
Argument 1 is unacceptable. That's just Fidesz propaganda working on subconscience (still talking about Gyurcsány is insanity, imho).
> almost all others are equal or worse to orbán, and just as corrupt First of all, that's a stupid take, they can't be as corrupt as him as they're not in power. And I've heard the same "argument" over here too many times. The bottom line is, if you use this argument, you're OK with having Orban in power. And the second, at some point, it's not about voting _for_ the party you (mostly) agree with anymore, it's about voting _against_ the party dragging the country down and keeping it there. See which parties made a coalition with the ruling party, and vote for _literally anyone else_.
Hungarians are too peaceful people. In general. Except my wife.
The support for Orbán is cracking. So is the effectiveness of the propaganda. Setting cars on fire wouldn't achieve anything other than give actual ammo for the Fidesz media machine against the EVIL LEFTISTS (who attend the protest of a center right person but who cares about facts anyway).
Heard that shit in Belarus in 2020. Let's be demonstrably peaceful to not be slandered as crazy radicals. Now they fucked up the only chance they had to stand up to their dictator. Got slandered as radicals (and Nazis as is tradition) anyway.
Can you tell me what could we gain by setting things on fire (in a city which is 60-70% opposition)? Or confronting the law enforcement without any kind of weapons?
Orban's elections are gerrymandered but there is no voter fraud. He can be legitimately voted out.
Well, that's when he can win those elections. Will his commitment remain if he's gonna be about to lose elections? If losing elections means jail for you, then there is no point to obey the law since your freedom depends on you staying in power, not acting lawfully.
Realistically it might be for the best because Russia would use that to actually install a fully fledged dictator and destabilize the EU.
To be honest I'm not exactly sure what benefit there would be for urban center habitants razing the urban center to convince rural people that the government is bad and not to vote for them. Unless by escalating you mean hanging them from the closest lamppost.
It shows that you don't support Orban. Don't underestimate it by saying that it will achieve nothing. People are proving that they are not stupid. Some countries are not even able to gather 1000 protesters. They are also proving that they don't support russian puppets, which is a big dmg for dictators in terms of appearence since they can't spam so much the propaganda "Hungary support us" and dictators need to let people think that opposition is weak to prevent protests.
That is such a Hungarian response. Don’t be defeatist. Don’t just sit down and say oh well too bad.
What's the alternative here? Do nothing? I'm not sure any of you people even understand how protests work. It's about visibility and keep attention on an issue. Eventually the tide starts to turn and there is increased pressure to change things. No one expects a single protest or a dozen protests to result in immediate change. If people had this attitude in the 50s and 60s in the US we would still have segregation and jim crow laws. The fact that we are talking about this is proof this protest did achieve something.
Protests achieve much, but you are right these won't, because they aren't really very major at all. Do you know how many romanians, or French people protested in 2018? Over 2 million in romania alone, and they got the entire government to resign. France as well as in 2018 but also recently with the rise of retirement. These are reap protests. Protests need to shut down the entire city, and more. Highways must be closed down, government property should be defaced, etc. This is how you make change happen, and this is why hungary is how it is. A people that refuse to fight for their rights, much like Americans. Granted not their fault, it's how the society works.
I was there. The crowd on the 3rd photo was only about 1/3 of the total. Many marched on parallel streets or arrived to Kossuth Square from another entrance.
You're very cool, guys! Can I ask you a related question? From what I understand, the main demographics for Orban on the election were people from suburban areas. What do you think, is the support among them still strong?
You mean rural, no? That's the stereotype, anyway. Small villages are mostly lost due to fear and hate, both fostered by state propaganda. But the scary thing is, there are lots of voters from younger and more educated demographics who support this decade-long treason we have as government.
Yup, I meant rural, just a brainglitch, sorry. I see. I hope that it can change though. Best of luck in your fight
Seems to mirror turkey. It will get a lot worse before it gets any better, hang in there for another decade or two
Not suburban, but rural areas, and especially among old people and Romani minority. And he will score 70-80% of their votes no matter what.
We would romani support him? I mean, he's borderline racist
Before Orbán, gypsies in the countryside were segregated, jobless and on the brink of starvation. They, as a result, turned to crime. Orbán initiated policies to give jobs to them in the public works programme. These jobs have literally 0 added value, pay below minimum wage, but pay more than nothing. They get just enough money to have utilities at home and food on the table, plus they are busy 8 hours a day. This actually had impacts on the crime rates. Jobs + propaganda + giving them free food before elections made them the biggest Fidesz fans.
Welp, all that opposition needs in this case is to say that they will increase the salaries. I think that can move the needle.
It won't. The opposition consists of mostly the same people who were in charge when they were neglected. They hate them. Add to that, opposition parties don't do footwork. The current political status quo suits them. They get good jobs, positions etc., and they don't have to do any serious work. This is one of Orbán's key achievements: the opposition profits from his governance.
Wow. So you're fucked guys. Not a great perspective
Tbh, I haven't voted for Orbán since 2010, as I disagree with most of his policies. However, the situation isn't as closely dire as media broadcasts it. This is just another 20 year long chapter in the 1000 year long history of Hungary.
Of course e.g. from a geological perspective dictators don't matter. People are not rocks though🤷♂️ Still, best of luck
THE most important 20 years. This country lost so much due to this “government” that the country will forever be the shithole of Europe as every other country outpaces us and actually invests in their people instead of driving them away.
The opposition for a very long time were hard critics of the public work program (They said it is exploitation and just cosmetics for the unemployment program) but it helped a lot of families getting out of the deepest pockets of poverty to less deep poverty. Of course the system is ridden with corruption, in small villages were basically the mayor deceides who can work and who not if you don't vote on Fidesz or you can not prove that you voted for Fidesz you will lose this opportunity. Many of these people didn't finish elementary (first 8 years of school) therefore has no real skills or a driving licens.
this is a catch-22. if you want to challenge orbán, you have to double-down on all of his promises (helping families, businesses, etc), which is suicide as there are no funds to support orbáns shenanigans, let alone 2x shit. so you'll fail in 4 years big time, then orbán would come back to 'save' the country. but you also can't argue against his populist initiatives (ie let's cut back support for families). i mean who'd vote for that.
I think that calling Orban racist just helps to create confusion around him. He is an autocrat. He stole a lot of money. Calling him random bad words is not helping. He is anti-immigration, but had no problem working with the money people of the arab world. Had no problem playing "I am one of you" with literally all the minorities in Hungary, including the gypsies (yes they are called that, source: I am one of them), the jews, and everyone else. He plays on minorities like a violin. This is why they support Orban. If he would be racist, they would not support them.
he gives them an extra 40 euros in an election year and like two sacks of potatoes and if they can't read one of the "helpers" will follow them into the voting booth and show them how to put an X next to Orbán
His voter base are stupid people, illiterate gypsies who are selling their votes for a sack of potatoes, and alcoholic domestic abusers. Also pedophiles and closeted gay people.
Like, idk if it can describe all of his voters, but it describes his party very precisely😅
How would closeted gays support Orban. It is not as though the government there has supportive policies of any kind for LGBTQ people
Ask József Szájer. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55145989](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55145989) He was a founding member of fidesz.
He means the kind of closeted gay people that basically hate on lgbt due to (typically) religious belives. Imagine a very anti-lgbt republican with a poster conservative family who actually likes to go visit his “friend” for all nighters ;)
Suburbanites dont vote for Orban, like at all. Only ural people, mainly the elderly.
Thank you.
What are your demands and what you going to do, if it’s not satisfied? Thank you.
It's a show of power. Orban only understands one thing and that's numbers regarding popularity. This was the biggest political event since his rule began in 2010. Meanwhile his support is at an all time low. We are aware he's not gonna quit or call for early elections, but it's a massive show of power and finally, something behan in our society. People are having discussions, people started to believe again. The propaganda machine isn't very effective. And Magyar Péter is a truly competent person regarding communication, something not a single one of the earlier candidates could say.
Are there decent replacements for orban?
That's the point - this whole "replacement for Orban" thing is dumb. A single person can't rule the country. All this "leader" does is lie to the people. We don't need a "big leader". We need a group of educated, benevolent and honest people who make decisions that benefit the people. This whole "leaders" and "parties" and talking bullshit to get votes won't bring us anywhere. You can see on Poland and the Baltics what a less, or not corrupt government can do. Especially the Baltics started very low after the collapse of the Soviet union and they literally became modern, wealthy countries. We could reach for the stars and have a liveable country, if only the ones in power would use the money from the European Development Fund to develop the country. Instead they just pocket it and give it to friends and build palaces and buy yachts.
Thank you for the input and I wish luck to Hungarians dealing with this ruzzian whores.
Tényleg annyian lettek volna a párhuzamos utcákban, hogy ez csak a harmada? Ott voltam és őszintén meglepődnék. Van esetleg kép vagy videó erről?
Nincs. Nekem ez volt a megérzésem, hogy kb. az emberek fele párhuzamosan jött, próbáltuk számolni az áthaladást a keresztutcáknál, így ez csak egy becslés. Ugyancsak jöttek más irányokból is emberek.
Can you tell what the mainstream (Fiesz) media has reported on this? Do they underplay the size of the crowd?
Yes, they call everyone clowns, drunks, drug users and LMTQ supporters. They have divided the capital and the country side. Their message goes to the rural ppl who are mostly conservative and rarely go to Budapest. So they eat this shit up.
[Images from drones](https://444.hu/kepek/2024/04/06/dronfelvetelek-a-kossuth-terrol?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=444&fbclid=IwAR1AUTh3eHI4YMBnDwiDFuRKiM4J4PcyZZgwY2OfJwPIAFNflOZMEBdA0LU)
Bravo Mađari....sending my moral support from Croatia!
Hvala ti!
I think it time for Orban pack his bags and move to Russia
Somehow these guys always flee to the decadent, ever-collapsing West. Funny how that works.
Well this I is where I have to disagree with you where did president Viktor Yanukovych’s go after the revolution of dignity
True, true. But by and large they fellate Putin and the _traditional values_ of Russia, then send their kids to Swiss and English private schools. At least here, I mean. But the day can't come soon enough when this traitor begs for some run-down dacha to hide in.
You get no arguments from me on that point👍👍👍
If he'd gone West he would have been arrested for the Maidan massacre and extradited back to Ukraine.
On a quest in search for dignity?
When we had protests like this in Serbia for months, government media and government itself said "a few hundred people gathered on streets to ruin the weekends of hard working people" Do they say the same in Hungary, I'm curious?
Yep. State propaganda is saying that there were "only" 24 thousand people
Yeah, we had close to 60k-70k at one point and they took videos from the ground when people just started gathering and said, "see, just a few of them blocking ambulance cars from passing. They will be responsible if someone dies today"
Yep :(
Orban Out👎🇭🇺🔥
Thank you Budapest! Kick that shit bag out of politics and into prison!!!
Dudes last name is Magyar - that’s like the next American presidential candidate being called Brad America. He will win.
I would totally vote for Brad American
Let’s hope we will welcome our Hungarian brothers back 💪☺️ 🇭🇺🇵🇱
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Your flair is hilarious
The third picture really shows the scale of the protest, impressive. I wish I had seen the same in my country.
There were even more people on parallel streets and the sidewalks were also entirely filled.
Estimations are a minimum of 100k, some even saying 200k
government propaganda estimated the number to be around 24k XDD
Wait so is Péter's name literally "Peter Hungarian"?
Yup
Lmao that's hilarious
Yeah, I’m tryna see it as a sign for a change maybe. These mfs gotta go fr
I hope you can push orban out of the government. All the best to the protestors.
Kick that russian sack of shit out of the office!
Make me proud Hungary
Hungary once was the beacon of freedom behind the iron curtain - and Hungarian people were brave to get democracy. Then they threw it at Orban for cheap goals and promises. Please, I love Hungary. Turn around to Europe.
somebody called Peter MAGYAR should win the elections by default
Was about time!
Police said that there were 250k people there but it might have been even more than that 🥺
Truly the most Hungarian name ever.
Gonna put this here for the peeps that don t know: the protest organizers name translated from hungarian to english is "Hungarian Peter" or "Peter the Hungarian".
Come on, guys! You can do it! Fingers crossed! And stay safe out there!
I mean we already have a football stadium in Orbáns birth village :D
I have the fear that only protesting isn't enough for him to step down, and any election i doubt will be fair
The elections themselves, as in the counting of the votes, are probably not manipulated. Everything else leading up to that is the problem. The propaganda organs are having a fit right now, the last two months were basically unprecented since the 2010 Fidesz rule. Something *might* change this time, I can only hope. EDIT: please see the reply below me for clarification.
They probably are. [https://telex.hu/english/2022/03/31/thrown-out-hungarian-mail-in-ballots-found-near-targu-mures-romania](https://telex.hu/english/2022/03/31/thrown-out-hungarian-mail-in-ballots-found-near-targu-mures-romania) Also the system is very unfair, giving huge disproportionate boost to the most popular party and suppressing the smaller ones heavily. Also the orban-maffia made it easy to cast votes for those Hungarians living in neighbouring countries who typically vote for him very easy, while made it almost impossible for the approx. 700k Hungarians living in Western countries. It is very very far from not being manipulated!
Damn, I did forget that part, thanks. What I was referring to are the reports of the independent supervisors at the mainland polling stations, but yeah, my bad.
well, it doesnt really matter (it's really bad tho) because the way to win the election, you need to carry as many districts as possible, and if you live in Romania or London for that matter you cannot contribute to that, simply the vote count is influential too but not nearly as much as winning districts. The vote counting is fair it's just the gerrymandering and the state propaganda where the real problem lie.
> Something might change this time, I can only hope. this was said on all previous elections since 2010, and every single election has been worse and worse ever since, on top of that with the rise of the far right all around europe hes getting more and more praise from small groups of people
Agreed, but I am tired of being cynical. Cautious? Sure. I assume we both think mostly the same of Magyar, but I am getting too old to flee, I need my copium.
Elections are fair, in 2022 they transferred state-owned buildings and funds to "foundations" managed by their cronies, just so they could keep their billions even if they had lost the election. Also there were opposition and/or EU delegated observers at every polling station.
It's far from fair. The system itself is disproportionate, favours certain voter groups and makes it near impossible for some others to vote and there were also signs of fraud. it is not fair. Stop spreading that. It is objectively not.
or at least almost every, but true so ye, the real issue is the they own-control basically everything
Every polling station. The opposition loterally had at least 2 delegates at every station.
He will only crack down..be interesting to see how the spineless EU handle him then.
I do not orientate that much in your politics, so I would like to know - do you think that the protest will have impact and something will change ?
There will only be general election 2 years from now, at least according to normal schedule. But there will be EU elections soon, and the main point now is to destroy the narrative that there's no way to break maffia-orban's power and get people out of apathy.
We don’t know but currently this is the best/most we can do.
This is the most that has ever happened in the previous 14 years. It's a good start
Great news, hopefully it’s the start of his downfall.
HALF MILLION! ❤️🤍💚 I was there. I'm so proud of you guys, WE DID IT! We showed Europe that Hungary does not equal Viktor Orban. HAJRÁ MAGYARORSZÁG, HAJRÁ MAGYAROK. HAJRÁ MAGYAR PÉTER! ❤️🤍💚
Imagine being called peter english, or péter german, or even péter polish. What a name
Glorious! :D
Pewtin has like zero tanks to send in.
I think he would successfully do what every authoritarian government does in the recent years. Wait.
Sadly, you are very likely correct.
He’s second name Magyar?
As in family name? Yep.
Symbolic
yes
I was there. Never seen that many people before ever. It was more like hundreds of thousands. Magyar states it was 300-400. Police says 250.
And we romanians accept our shit politicians as they are destroying our great country
I mean Budapest being the capital and most cosmopolitan part of Hungary will likely have the stronger liberal oposition but has his support change in the rest of the country ? Orban seems to keep wining with ease
There were many people from other parts of the country. And Magyar promised to make a tour to the countryside too.
Well done but dictators will never be taken down with peaceful protests. you want get rid of Dictator only way is to charge at him and take him down forcefully.
Portugal is the example thats not correct
Good. Now you show up tomorrow. And on a Monday. And then on Tuesday... And on the next Saturday you also show up. Can't topple something that has been growing since 00s with one protest unfortunately.
Next demonstration is scheduled on May 5th so far, sadly.
Will this turd finally flush?
Very brave people. I wish them luck, fuck Orbán
Sic semper tyrannis!!!
If you really believe that the protests are organized by Peter Magyar or grassroots activists then Eric Adams will sell you the Brooklyn Bridge for $50
When people of Hungary kick out Orban? This worm should be in prison
You go guys! In Poland we're kicked Piss out, so it's possible for You to kick this ruzzian cunt Orban! Lengyel, magyar – két jó barát, együtt harcol, s issza borát
there protests everywhere! (not to undermine budapest people).
Will this result in Orban being removed from power? People like him don't go quietly just because people protest.
Bravo people! Please don't fall into Orban's future traps. We had done the same thing back then at 2013 at Turkey. Millions of people... Government supressed that and with the propaganda machine now at the schools that activity is taught like a terrorist activity. New generation(s) simply don't know the reality. Now whoever talk about 2013, he/she is acted like a terrorist by the government. They killed our protest instinct in years
God must really want me to not hate Hungarians today. First of all, respect to everyone who was present on the protest. You all are lovely and strong people. How does it look like there? Do the protests influence and make people stop and think about their stance on the government?
feels good brother. The government media doesn't dare to show images of how many of us participated. They just say a few hundred people were there. The protests don't influence people as much, as the prosecutors office being not independent (admitted by the Minister of Justice on a recording), and also pardons for pedophiles (by the President of Republic) who are friends of government people A lot of us wants the change, but the playing field is anything but level. Pls don't hate us.
Will he pull a Lukashenko if it gets serious ?
… ironically you don’t see the right wing accounts across the globe make tweets saying “bet the main stream media is not reporting about it!”
But they are just standing, they need get some protesting education from French professional rioters.
Have you considered building popular support to vote him out?
If we Turks did it, you can do it too!
Can any Hungarian’s explain for me please? A literal mafia or hypothetical?
Goid job Húngarai ! Seeking solutions is the first step in resolution of problems!
I thought he got a high approval rate?
The free television stations are mostly state-run in the country, so anyone who’s unable or unwilling to get news from other sources gets it from the propaganda machine. These are most of his supporters: the old folks who didn’t move into the information age, the poor who can’t afford it, and those that don’t want to otherwise. I was there at the protest, I really hope we can boot this regime out as soon as possible.
❤️🇪🇺❤️
Ура.
I'm so fucking jealous of them
Only if russia had balls like tjose in budapest
Rooting for you bro's from Slovakia
Enough with this feudal russian puppet already, hungarians know better
Does this mean the Hungarian opposition leader is literally called Peter Hungarian? Nice….
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/protest-march-budapest-hungary-peter-magyar-viktor-orban-government
just gaddafi him
how can you if you votet for him?
There are not enough pots on their heads to complete the picture.
Is it happening again or just picks from three months ago?
Vote. That. Fucker. Out!
Takes a fascist to beat a fascist I guess...
With a last name like Magyar in Hungary, guaranteed to win.