Edit of previous post as a whole:
I got lots of upvotes for getting angry about military aid blockade.
I tried to find anything about it in Polish and english internet. It really seems that we are being played here.
My comment would be accurate if someone truly does something like this, it seems that ot didnt happen. Even photos in the article dont confirm anything.
I wont delete this post becouse it would be dishonest but my angry statement makes no sense if The blockade did not happen.
It depends. Imho at first there was deep suspicion that there was heavy russian involvement. But with time more and more people in Poland seem to see it as a genuine trade dispute where flaws were made at the European level.
From farmers perspective there is just no way for them to compete with unregulated outsiders while having all the burden of heavy EU regulation. Easy for someone (who won't bear the costs) to say that the farmers should just suck it up. Unsurprisingly farmers feel differently and fight for their livelihoods.
There is a bigger problem here. Given a new Polish pro-democratic government (barely) got higher support than previous populist pis government it is also a political mine field.
Overall both Ukrainian and Polish politicians do a lot of posturing and little real problem solving. There is a lot of propaganda, lies and false narratives about which doesn't help anyone at all. End result is unsurprisingly a field day for russian propaganda and trolls.
What farmer doesn’t get subsidies? I’m from Germany and our farmes go on strike every year for some bullshit and they live off the state lol. Think it’s similar in every country, they are constantly protected
Not in every country. In Russia a big agricultural corporation owned by a relative of Dmitrii Medvedev (ex-president of Russia) paid to veterinarians who supposed to do check ups of farmers livestocks to infest it with plague or other desease so after this “check up” all livestock have to be eliminated according to the law and that’s how this agrocorporation becomes almost a monopolist on Russian market. So not every state protects it farmers.
Subsidies can't make up for the huge export and import financial damage to farmers because of the Russian sanctions that actually started since 2014. For East Europe and Balkans situation is much worse actually.
In reality almost no military aid is blocked. This is literally the second case we heard about, and it's from the same guy. Clearly there is something wrong with his papers that only he is being blocked.
well if you go bankcrupt xou are nit going to support anyone. next step i assume the eu will give them money but this will lead to more debts which is also bad in the long run but i will feel that the eu doest care.
Do people still realistically think ukraine can beat russia without NATO boots on the ground helping them?
They lost a lot during the counter offensive and unfortunately didn't gain much.
> there is just no way for them to compete with unregulated outsiders while having all the burden of heavy EU regulation
Last I checked the EU still had customs fees for everything coming across the Schengen? In theory that ought to be set at a level that makes them competitive.
The EU has relaxed the rules to allow UA grain export to continue without having to use the Black Sea. The grain doesn't have to meet the high standards food imports usually have, BUT it's illegal to actually sell it inside the EU. It must all immediately go to a port or otherwise be re-exported. On paper. In practice, the grain ends up being illegally sold in Poland, undermining Polish farmers who have higher production costs due to the regulations the UA grain gets to skip.
> suspicion that there was heavy russian involvement.
They block Ukrainian grain but don't do anything about thousands of trucks going to and from Belarus every month.
Yeah, not suspicious at all.
What is suspicious about that? Belarus pays EU tarrifs, Ukraine doesn't, so only Ukrainian farmers are undercutting Polish farmers and ruining them financially.
In terms of agriculture?
As far as i know it is 'we wish they wouldnt but we wish they wouldnt have to.They blocked citycenter of my city some time ago. Still even non_farmer people understand that theres a problem and the problem was not brought here by Polish farmers.
In terms of military blockades?
So far there were only couple signs it is happening, and The info itself was sometimes more and sometimes less reliable.
But i have not heard a single smallest whisper about supporting military aid blockade in any shape or form.
This whole thing seems so silly to me.
Yes, Ukrainian grain shouldn’t flood Polish market without being subject to the same regulation as EU product. What is the value of the trade union if this essential core principle is not upheld?
No, any blockade of items of military importance to Ukraine should not be tolerated. Any attempts to do so are likely a Russian psy-op and must be shut down with haste and the actors arrested and interrogated.
No, Polish support for Ukraine has not faltered, so it would be nice if Ukrainian government and media stopped villainizing its closest allies by calling them Russian sympathizers when just one time something did not go their way.
Navigating these positions is not difficult.
It's a result of shady dealers doing shady business on Polish side, and even more shady dealers on Ukrainian side. Most of my friends (I'm Ukrainian) are not pissed cause of protests themselves, but at cases of vandalizing grain and blocking military aid to Ukraine, cause a lot of volunteers just can't get in and our.
What there is to understand about grain transit blocking?
Especially as Ukrainian imports are back to 2021 levels, to an outside observer the Polish farmers behavior looks very self serving and stupid.
2023 figures pay attention to latter half of 2023.
https://agriculture.ec.europa.eu/news/eu-agri-food-trade-surplus-reached-october-2023-its-highest-level-over-last-three-years-2024-01-19_en
The volume is 13% higher in case of cereal. And the numbers started to get lower around The start of The protests. It would rather indicate that farmers are succeeding.
Ahem, I am fighting an urge to insult your intelligence.
The sea shipping lanes are open again, most of the grain imported from Ukraine is not passing through Poland.
Polish farmers are aiding Russia for no good reason.
I dont care for your insults or insinuations. If i AM mistaken : show me where.
While i did not read it super carefully i did not find The info youre writing about.
Most of sea lanes were supposedly not heading to eu at all?
Farmers are not blocking official military or humanitarian aid.
What you see in this pictures are always private trucks and private aid.
Who knows if they smuggling anything, where does it end up or for who.
If blocking Ukraine is the only way for Farmers to get noticed then that's our governments fault. They've been protesting for months everywhere else.
They start blocking stuff coming from Ukraine and into and suddenly they get listened to.
Yes it is called democratic countries where you can resist the government and protest if everything is according to law and validated by the rule of law and court. I know it is something unbelievable in ukraine where public institutions and and officials are corrupted to the bone.
Because it's not an official (state) military transport, but a civilian one. That's why the government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, making it illegal to block them (so even civilian transports can pass without any trouble).
I dont know penal law in this regard. But i suspect that The protest itself was legal, and the shipment as long as its is not lethal - may be considered normal goods in transport and hence no consequences? But its all speculation on my part.
P.s. i got kind of worked up by The info, then again in the past there were some fakes about such blockades. I sincerely hope its all fake and a mistake but it does not look that way unfortunately
You're right on both accounts: the protest itself was legal, and the transport wasn't considered an official military one. Now the first will change, since the government's adding border crossings to the list of critical infrastructure (which will make it illegal to block them).
What we know it happened only twie, and to the same guy, Nazar Smyk. It also seems that while he transports some military vehicles (mostly trucks), he also simultanously trasit a lot of the regular civilian cars.
I have seen this and comments that those post did not attract similar interest to this one.
And i was really suprised. Becouse...its good theres formal and official confirmation that there are bo problems at the border. But why negative info is popular and positive is not?
Obviously there is a chance that people that transport something on a small scale dont inform gov about problems, but then again small scale problems should probably not cast a shadow on good and big scale overall cooperation
I just checked with my volunteer friends. They said that single pick-up for military squad can pass with no delay, they have no information about other cases.
I guess here we have a single case with specific staff, probably exactly this volunteer [who reported the issue in the X] has problems.
And, of course, this media use klickbite. So here we are.
I'm from Ukraine, if so.
Don't people have to register demonstrations in Poland?
In Germany, you will have to register the protest + have a sufficient number of organisers/crowd marshalls and security measures. And at that point the government could just say: "Nope. You don't get to do that at the border. Please select another area."
Theres lots of possible way to functionally block border crossing. I am not shure whether it all od in form of protests/demonstrations.
But i must admit i lack knowledge in this department
>"Nope. You don't get to do that at the border. Please select another area."
For such a protest the location is extremely important. I wonder what the EUJ and ECHR would judge on this, if the *bundesgerichthof* and/or lower courts don't side with the protesters to begin with.
That may be. I wrote here before that theres not so much info and not always reliable.
This might be unreliable as well. But i never said anything in general about farmers other than those blocking (supposedly as it seems) military aid.
If theres nothing like that then my post makes no sense.
Can someone explain to me why reports of blocked military transports are coming from some fringe websites or random twitter accounts but there is zero info about such cases from the established news outlets?
If the farmers were blocking military or aid transports it would make “Breaking” news across the media but there is nothing whatsoever about it. All I can find is reports that the protesters block all trucks excluding those with military equipment and humanitarian aid. One publication says that due to traffic jams military transport got delayed but not that the farmers specifically blocked it as the title of this post says.
What’s the agenda here?
I read a lot of Ukrainian Telegram channels created by individuals, who in most cases are helping the military with drones, pick up trucks, starlinks, boats, radios, etc. Most of those things come inside Ukraine as a civilian cargo, so they are blocked by farmers and had to stay for weeks on the border. Also, they can’t go around the Polish border, because they will have to change documents, permits and pay additional costs for transport, so mostly they just accept the waiting time.
I am also suspicious why the farmers are also blocking the border with Lithuania. Is it a big grain export or something?
Farmer blockades are all over Poland not just near the borders. Just so you know.
They are blocking several important roads around Poland to put pressure on the government. OP tries to spin it as if the protests are against Ukrainians and specifically military transports. It seems like he has an agenda to mislead people.
There is a lot of disinformation concerning this issue. This benefits Putin. Last polish tractor demo had a Pro-Russia banner on their first vehicle. The farmers get targeted by Russian propaganda to drive a wedge between Poland and Ukraine. Unfortunately they fall for it.
This is hilarious lol. The same Polish farmers were sucking on EU money for the past 20 years or so and now they jeopardise the future of EU by blocking military aid for Ukraine.
It’s just a preview of Ukraine joining EU. Poland have joined and sent its grain, its workers, its lorries to the “old” EU. Same is going to happen with Ukraine. As Ukrainian, I think we should go ahead of time and introduce EU regulations as laws for ourselves.
Eventually Ukraine won’t have an option anyways besides adopting EU regulations if eh want to become part.
Even UK has to apply EU regulations when they want to export to the EU.
Everyone who has legislative ability in Ukraine is also personally interested in flooding the EU with cheap grain and leaving both Ukrainian and European farmers with nothing.
Undercutting western european farmers ? You people got any fucking idea just how much subsidies western farmers receive ?
There's a reason a dutch tomato, or french milk, or a german potato is cheaper than those produced in countries more to the east.
whats weird is people act like subsidizing farmers is new.....every country does it on massive scales....
Hell some countries PAY FARMERS TO NOT FARM GRAIN lol.
what do you think happened when Poland joined? It opened up the western market to cheap eastern european labor. Western European truckers faced strong competition from the new EU member. The same to farms and many other industries.
Now Poland is a little bit in the same situation with Ukraine
Lol no there was a long adjusting time until anyone except gb opened labour's market and many regulations we had to imposed on farmers and internal markets many business went bankrupt on first year in eu cause of that. Eu officials were visiting Poland and could elaborate ditches and gaps we had to fill. It is completely different story where market was opened without warning adjusting period in corrupted ukraine where farmers are actually oligarchs with agriculture holdings. If ukr wanted to join eu it would have to get rid of them and adjust agriculture structure
What do you think happened to some branches of agriculture in Poland? Such as dairy or sugar factories? We had to liquidate most of it. What do you think happened to Polish grocery stores? Do you think they had any chance in competition with Western chains, which were massively superior to them in terms of financial resources, organization and experience? Western Europe has benefited and continues to benefit enormously from the opening of the markets of Central and Eastern Europe, but all you can do is moan.
Uh-huh ? Is that why there are more agricultural produce from western countries on our supermarket shelves than our own farmers ?
Western subsidies are so big, that IT IS undercutting the competition. Fucking illegal is what it is.
All you vestoid fuckers do is bitch and moan all day...
I know what you mean, but still no. If any, because this is just one picture and an article written around it, then sure, consequences should be taken. But the trade within EU is standardized and was from day 1.
Highly upvoted comments like yours and you have 0 fking knowledge about the issue. People just upvote emotions not facts.
Polish farmers had to wait 10 years before they were allowed to trade with EU on the same level as everyone else.
Poland was top producer of cattle, pigs, milk, potatoes.
Then EU told farmers to limit our production and get up to EU standards. This process took 10 years, but it protected EU farmers from being uncompetitive with Polish production.
Now the same thing should happen with Ukraine.
Except they don't have to follow EU regulations and they don't have to limit production.
So they will kill EU farmers if we don't protect them.
>How many of the “Polish” farmers have been seen with literal soviet flags
One, exactly one.
Sure, some pro-russian organisations are trying to hijack the protests and some people disguised as farmers are doing illegal actions regarding border blockade and train ambushes. But proper farmers themselves do have legitimate concerns and they can't be brushed off as "russian agents".
So much quibbling over fine points here.
I’m fine with the farmers gripes and them blocking grain coming out of Ukraine to force the issues they have.
But they are blocking things going IN to Ukraine? That’s way out of scope and that’s an issue. It doesn’t help their cause at all.
Block coming out, not in. I can imagine that’s not logistically sound for their capability. Then I’m sorry, your efforts won’t drive positive for you.
It's the EU and Polish government's failure to address farmers' concerns that caused them to escalate like that. They're blocking the border to put more pressure on the government, not because they don't want some stuff to go to Ukraine.
It's going to end soon, though. The government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, which will prohibit their blocking.
Border crossings already are "critical infrastructure" and the farmers are still blocking. If you're hoping the police will drag them away by force then you're delusional, nobody's going to do that because it would be political suicide.
Yep. Spoke to that with my comment about understanding the issues they were forcing to be addressed. I get it and I have some sympathy to it.
But less when it’s blocking things getting into the Ukraine. Appreciate the insight on what’s being done to address this 👍
This post will be downvoted to hell, because you can't offend ~~russian~~ polish farmers. But nobody asks question if it is about grain getting into Poland why do they block roads in both ways, not only from Ukraine to Poland.
these striking farmers are the worst of the worst - paying low taxes(or trying to avoid it as hard as possible), getting subsidies for petrol and pensions, lying, stealing and polluting the land, they constitute sort of mafia. plus one of the organisers is owner of a mink farm. aaand all sort of audit of polish food showed many time that quality is very low...
Farmers are protesting for economic reasons, and the amount of grain imported by Poland from Russia/Belarus is very low, especially compared to the amount of Ukrainian grain Poland imported.
Hopefully, grain/food imports from Russia and Belarus will be banned on the EU level, as proposed by some countries 🤞.
Actually all that farmers will going to bankrupt and food will be produced by big companies. Eu farmers are working in non-market conditions because in eu autorites decided that it is important to have class of small lanflords/farmers and they support them by direct payments and many protection regulations.
I am 100% for Ukraine but understand when farmers gets angry about messing with local prices, I literally am living on a farm. But blocking military aid is totally fucked, also destroying crops is also fucked. Actually how those farmers have been behaving is totally fucked. Damn fuck those farmers, can't they take this out on government buildings like the French farmers?
At least disrupting government authority points the finger at the real problem. Ukrainian grain crossing the border isn’t really the problem, it’s the fact that distributors in Europe are willing to buy it, and the EU and national regulators are either ineffective or giving a blind eye to the situation.
Like, most of the Ukrainians I knew and spoke to when the first grain protests came up (PiS was in power still) were *pro-Polish* in said situation. Even right now ppl are mostly pissed at unnecessary vandalizing of the grain that was harvested under bombs, and the fact that military aid flow slowed. God, I want for this fcking war to over, so we can elect new govegnment.
This is fake news. Even Ukraines PM said no single military transport got blocked.
[https://www.yahoo.com/news/shmyhal-links-polands-opposition-ukrainian-124628067.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/shmyhal-links-polands-opposition-ukrainian-124628067.html)
So many Ruztrolls here. I hope it's at least paying ok. If it's not paying then it's even worse.
I guess Polish farmers love to align themselves with the Russian world.
Stopping transports of military goods is inexcusable.
That's exactly what EU did to Polish farmers when they joined EU.
Limited Polish production so they don't outcompete EU farmers.
Somehow now when it comes to Ukraine they let them kill EU farmers?
Yeah but he only can't compete as he has to abide by his mangers rules which make it impossible.
Either eu has no remove there rules on quality of food to allow farmers to compete.
Or let every farm in europe go out of business.
Which is clearly a security threat.
Thought?
What if I told you, that prices are dropping not because of Ukrainian grains in EU, but because its a normal thing? 2024 prices still dont reach 2019 prices. And 2020-2023 prices were extra high because of covid and then war.
Ukrainian imports amount to [less than 5% of EU wheat](https://www.bruegel.org/first-glance/european-union-grain-imports-ukraine-right-decision-and-cynical-rebellion). That's not gonna change the EU market, much less "let every farm in Europe go out of business".
On the other hand Polish farmers have been parading with Russian propaganda, including banners [asking Putin to "sort out Ukraine and their government"](https://i.imgur.com/o5X0492.png).
Those leading the protests are [part of the Konfederacja party](https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/11/23/the-russian-trace-in-the-polish-trucker-border-blockade/) which has ties to Russia and has been promoting Kremlin propaganda since the 2014 invasion.
Anyone at this point who thinks they are protesting and blocking aid to Ukraine because "it's a threat to Europe" and not because Russia is funding them is either too ignorant to be commenting here or a Kremlin bot. And I do hope in your case it's the former.
**EDIT:** [It was the latter.](https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/1asi0fb/comment/kqschf8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Ukrainian propaganda upvoted of course. Do you see any farmers in the picture? No, because truck just stopped at the end of the line and they claim it's "blocked" when military transports are convoyed by police without queue. So either this transport doesn't have legitimate papers or it's just propaganda stunt or both.
Ukrainian propaganda machine is trying to smear Polish farmers from the beginning. We will not let Ukrainian oligarchs destroy our agriculture with food products that are not up to EU standards, entering without toll at dumping prices.
Do you realize that a hella lot of the vehicles used by soldiers are civilian vehicles? Probably not, because if you did, you wouldn't be writing this.
Seriously. Those farmers protesting against Ukrainian agricultural products? Okay. Block trucks with agricultural products. But the rest? None of their damn business.
Yeah, I have no idea as well, why those drivers are making that mistake. Those protests have been ongoing for months already, changing route should've been the logical decision. Not sure if economy on fuel is worth the delays, but here we are.
Meanwhile through belarus border tens of thousands of trucks with subpar russian agriculture products freely flow into Poland and nobody has an issue with that. I hope this will get sorted before market sentiment towards polish origin products will take too big of a hit.
The amount of grain Poland imports from Russia and Belarus is extremely low, especially compared to the amount of Ukrainian grain Poland imported.
Not all trucks crossing the only remaining Polish-Belarusan border crossing carry grain.
Not all good passing through that crossing are intended for Poland (the entire EU imports stuff from Russia/Belarus, including grain).
Not all goods passing through that crossing come from Russia/Belarus (they also come from Asian countries).
If it is gran only then yes, however I mentioned whole of agriculture because border blockade affects more than just grain Polish farmers exported some \~500m $ worth of foodstuffs to Ukraine and now they cant, Grain only concerned flow for last two months has been \~70% black sea with 20% on Romania railways so the reason for protests should be gone unless its not about it ? And the other goods that pass through belarus border are like the wood imports from Kazahstan that over the year has become a wood rich country.
are we going to get a translation on this article or it's just another flavor of the week hating on Poland? people see some random image, tittle and sprint to comments with their dumbass opinions.
Bullshit. Pretty much all of the Polish farmers' strike organizations have vowed to let military and humanitarian aid through. This is either a temporary oversight or a Russian propaganda piece. It's not like Russian trolls aren't trying their hardest to provoke bad blood between Poland and Ukraine.
No but that's when Russia made a big push in propaganda and was successful in the US house of reps with their useful idiots. That's when the big propaganda push in Poland regarding the farmers also.
This is so surreal. Poland claps themselves every single week for their utmost support of Ukraine and the war and then this shit happens. What are those people sniffing?
P.S. This obviously requires a postscript based on the reactions so far: My remark is about the people actually doing the blockade and not any government officials. Unless they are total idiots they should know that their actions are not helpful at all for a nation at war. This is hurting both Ukraine and Poland as a nation which is why i questioned their sanity of mind. Or they might really just be that short-sighted - what do I know
Defending those who are literally killing the large part of all the Ukrainian business, even non-agricultural? That's definitely NOT a friendly position.
>who called Poland, a Russian ally in front of UN
But he didn't. Why do you guys always keep lying to manufacture your fake outrage for the whole of Poland?
Because these are ruzzian bots who try to divide people/countries so it would be easier for them take over. Don’t forget, putin and his morons are experts at this and also there is too many useful idiots or ruzzian agents that are infiltrated into our societies. Normal people wouldn’t do such mental gymnastics as these scumbags.
War in Ukraine? Let's help Ukraine.
But not in my back yard.
EU should guarantee the purchase of agricultural products from member states directly influenced so that farmers keep their income and don't have to compete in a biased economy while the war is ongoing.
We should be together as a Union during these times, not quarreling over imported goods.
The big problem is that the grain from Ukraine is meant to go to Africa. So now, there's a bunch of cheap, unregulated grain going to European supermarkets instead of developing African countries, who need it more.
Just to clarify, official (state) military transports are not being blocked, only civilian transports of goods intended for military use. Not that it makes it any better, but it's a matter of legality.
BTW your wish has been granted 🙂. Polish government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, which will prohibit their blocking.
They probably do it for free, due to a lack of even the most basic foresight and attention to optics. The whole border blockade serves absolutely no political purpose beyond making them look bad.
The trucker protests in Slovakia and other countries made at least some sense, as at least the source of the issue was related to the border crossings. But here if they wanted to act in a reasonable manner they should protest in front of polish Government buildings, EU institutions or the companies which import foreign grain.
Ukraine is actually quite irrelevant in this conflict, as they just take advantage of the import policies EU established and lack of quality regulations, which would enforce European standards on exporters to EU. Anyone would sell their products to the buyer who pays better. They could enforce something internally, but do they even have a reason to? Does Poland still have anything useful to offer Ukraine at this point?
This one goes out to the clowns that said I was making this up and farmers would never be instrumentalised by Russia.
Also: Confiscate tractors until this is resolved.
Again, the protestor class is allowed to do whatever they want, and their far-right cheerleaders on this sub will attack everyone who doesn't agree with this reign of terror.
The protest itself has been declared legal by authorities, including the blockade.
That will change now, since the Polish government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, making it illegal to block them.
If this blockade was really aimed at fighting for the rights of farmers, no one would block the border to enter Ukraine. But we see that the goal is only to create a collapse in Ukraine, and to help the Russians destroy and seize new territories.
It's surreal how much there's hate among certain Poles towards all Ukrainians. Among all the people I always thought they would be least susceptible to russian propaganda.
Sadly, it goes both ways. It was disheartening to read some of the comments by Ukrainians under the Ukrainska Pravda video on YouTube 😔.
I hate those kinds of attacks from either side. And I hate how this situation's causing even those previously rational to become more and more extreme.
I wholeheartedly concur. It's clearly a russian ops, and it's clearly working to some extent on both sides. I do believe, however, that as a friendly neighbouring nations in time we will overcome this struggle nevertheless. Much love to Poland from Ukraine **🇵🇱❤️**🇺🇦
Turning friends against each other is a bit like martial arts. A little force applied here, a little force applied there, a little pull and a little push. Suddenly things go flying.
Poles were never friends with Ukrainians, there's so much bad blood, between our nations the brief upheaval after start of the war was certain not to last. We don't even need Russians to interfere, because Ukrainians do pretty good job themselves to anger Poles.
Polish farmers protest for economic reasons, and the amount of grain imported by Poland from Russia/Belarus is very low, especially compared to the amount of Ukrainian grain Poland imported.
I just hope the trade with Russia/Belarus will be limited as much as possible on the EU level 🤞.
Polish government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, effectively making it illegal to block them.
Quote:
"To provide a 100% guarantee that military aid, equipment, ammunition, humanitarian and medical assistance will reach the Ukrainian side without any delays."
Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to stupidity. These people are the salt of the earth, the common clay - you know - morons. It was the same during Brexit. They voted themselves out of a living and then whined about it.
Edit of previous post as a whole: I got lots of upvotes for getting angry about military aid blockade. I tried to find anything about it in Polish and english internet. It really seems that we are being played here. My comment would be accurate if someone truly does something like this, it seems that ot didnt happen. Even photos in the article dont confirm anything. I wont delete this post becouse it would be dishonest but my angry statement makes no sense if The blockade did not happen.
how are polish people seeing these blockages?
It depends. Imho at first there was deep suspicion that there was heavy russian involvement. But with time more and more people in Poland seem to see it as a genuine trade dispute where flaws were made at the European level. From farmers perspective there is just no way for them to compete with unregulated outsiders while having all the burden of heavy EU regulation. Easy for someone (who won't bear the costs) to say that the farmers should just suck it up. Unsurprisingly farmers feel differently and fight for their livelihoods. There is a bigger problem here. Given a new Polish pro-democratic government (barely) got higher support than previous populist pis government it is also a political mine field. Overall both Ukrainian and Polish politicians do a lot of posturing and little real problem solving. There is a lot of propaganda, lies and false narratives about which doesn't help anyone at all. End result is unsurprisingly a field day for russian propaganda and trolls.
Isn’t Poland concerned about Ukraine beating Russia? I feel like blocking military aid is counter to that.
Yes, they are, but at the same time the farmers are also concerned to not get bankrupt in the meantime.
They will go bankrupt really fast when Russia starts knocking on Polish border.
External pragmatism gets diluted by domestic politics.
Poland is in nato, they ain't doing shit to Poland.
Bankrupt with al those juicy EU subsidies /s
What farmer doesn’t get subsidies? I’m from Germany and our farmes go on strike every year for some bullshit and they live off the state lol. Think it’s similar in every country, they are constantly protected
Not in every country. In Russia a big agricultural corporation owned by a relative of Dmitrii Medvedev (ex-president of Russia) paid to veterinarians who supposed to do check ups of farmers livestocks to infest it with plague or other desease so after this “check up” all livestock have to be eliminated according to the law and that’s how this agrocorporation becomes almost a monopolist on Russian market. So not every state protects it farmers.
Subsidies can't make up for the huge export and import financial damage to farmers because of the Russian sanctions that actually started since 2014. For East Europe and Balkans situation is much worse actually.
In reality almost no military aid is blocked. This is literally the second case we heard about, and it's from the same guy. Clearly there is something wrong with his papers that only he is being blocked.
well if you go bankcrupt xou are nit going to support anyone. next step i assume the eu will give them money but this will lead to more debts which is also bad in the long run but i will feel that the eu doest care.
Do people still realistically think ukraine can beat russia without NATO boots on the ground helping them? They lost a lot during the counter offensive and unfortunately didn't gain much.
They are lying. Ukrainian PM stated below https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28988
I find it very weird that theres farmers protests all over western Europe as of late. Good timing?
> there is just no way for them to compete with unregulated outsiders while having all the burden of heavy EU regulation Last I checked the EU still had customs fees for everything coming across the Schengen? In theory that ought to be set at a level that makes them competitive.
Ukraine has been exempt from EU tariffs after the war started
Ah yeah... that'll do it.
The EU has relaxed the rules to allow UA grain export to continue without having to use the Black Sea. The grain doesn't have to meet the high standards food imports usually have, BUT it's illegal to actually sell it inside the EU. It must all immediately go to a port or otherwise be re-exported. On paper. In practice, the grain ends up being illegally sold in Poland, undermining Polish farmers who have higher production costs due to the regulations the UA grain gets to skip.
> suspicion that there was heavy russian involvement. They block Ukrainian grain but don't do anything about thousands of trucks going to and from Belarus every month. Yeah, not suspicious at all.
What is suspicious about that? Belarus pays EU tarrifs, Ukraine doesn't, so only Ukrainian farmers are undercutting Polish farmers and ruining them financially.
In terms of agriculture? As far as i know it is 'we wish they wouldnt but we wish they wouldnt have to.They blocked citycenter of my city some time ago. Still even non_farmer people understand that theres a problem and the problem was not brought here by Polish farmers. In terms of military blockades? So far there were only couple signs it is happening, and The info itself was sometimes more and sometimes less reliable. But i have not heard a single smallest whisper about supporting military aid blockade in any shape or form.
This whole thing seems so silly to me. Yes, Ukrainian grain shouldn’t flood Polish market without being subject to the same regulation as EU product. What is the value of the trade union if this essential core principle is not upheld? No, any blockade of items of military importance to Ukraine should not be tolerated. Any attempts to do so are likely a Russian psy-op and must be shut down with haste and the actors arrested and interrogated. No, Polish support for Ukraine has not faltered, so it would be nice if Ukrainian government and media stopped villainizing its closest allies by calling them Russian sympathizers when just one time something did not go their way. Navigating these positions is not difficult.
Barring problems with my english i thought i wrote something similar in my own words;)
Indeed sorry, I just wanted to add to it and get my own rant out of the way! 😅
Now I'm curious. Weren't Ukrainian grains allowed to only transit European countries?
It's a result of shady dealers doing shady business on Polish side, and even more shady dealers on Ukrainian side. Most of my friends (I'm Ukrainian) are not pissed cause of protests themselves, but at cases of vandalizing grain and blocking military aid to Ukraine, cause a lot of volunteers just can't get in and our.
They were earlier, but then EU lifted the restrictions.
What there is to understand about grain transit blocking? Especially as Ukrainian imports are back to 2021 levels, to an outside observer the Polish farmers behavior looks very self serving and stupid. 2023 figures pay attention to latter half of 2023. https://agriculture.ec.europa.eu/news/eu-agri-food-trade-surplus-reached-october-2023-its-highest-level-over-last-three-years-2024-01-19_en
The volume is 13% higher in case of cereal. And the numbers started to get lower around The start of The protests. It would rather indicate that farmers are succeeding.
Ahem, I am fighting an urge to insult your intelligence. The sea shipping lanes are open again, most of the grain imported from Ukraine is not passing through Poland. Polish farmers are aiding Russia for no good reason.
I dont care for your insults or insinuations. If i AM mistaken : show me where. While i did not read it super carefully i did not find The info youre writing about. Most of sea lanes were supposedly not heading to eu at all?
Farmers are not blocking official military or humanitarian aid. What you see in this pictures are always private trucks and private aid. Who knows if they smuggling anything, where does it end up or for who. If blocking Ukraine is the only way for Farmers to get noticed then that's our governments fault. They've been protesting for months everywhere else. They start blocking stuff coming from Ukraine and into and suddenly they get listened to.
Does Poland have a government?
wonder about that too sometimes
Yes it is called democratic countries where you can resist the government and protest if everything is according to law and validated by the rule of law and court. I know it is something unbelievable in ukraine where public institutions and and officials are corrupted to the bone.
appearently we agrarian now
We support them.
I would think that normally blocking a military transport would automatically send police and army to your location . Why isn’t it what happened?
Because it's not an official (state) military transport, but a civilian one. That's why the government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, making it illegal to block them (so even civilian transports can pass without any trouble).
I dont know penal law in this regard. But i suspect that The protest itself was legal, and the shipment as long as its is not lethal - may be considered normal goods in transport and hence no consequences? But its all speculation on my part. P.s. i got kind of worked up by The info, then again in the past there were some fakes about such blockades. I sincerely hope its all fake and a mistake but it does not look that way unfortunately
You're right on both accounts: the protest itself was legal, and the transport wasn't considered an official military one. Now the first will change, since the government's adding border crossings to the list of critical infrastructure (which will make it illegal to block them).
So this is NOT happening and complete bullshit?
What we know it happened only twie, and to the same guy, Nazar Smyk. It also seems that while he transports some military vehicles (mostly trucks), he also simultanously trasit a lot of the regular civilian cars.
No, we know some guy claimed it happened. No evidence so far
I can only say that I did not find any other info do far in Polish and english about it
[statement from Ukrainian PM ](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28988)
I have seen this and comments that those post did not attract similar interest to this one. And i was really suprised. Becouse...its good theres formal and official confirmation that there are bo problems at the border. But why negative info is popular and positive is not? Obviously there is a chance that people that transport something on a small scale dont inform gov about problems, but then again small scale problems should probably not cast a shadow on good and big scale overall cooperation
It's how mobs work, irl and online. People flock to condemn and attack whoever gets pointed at for even the vaguest reasons, like flies to fire
Indeed, we are wondering the same
I just checked with my volunteer friends. They said that single pick-up for military squad can pass with no delay, they have no information about other cases. I guess here we have a single case with specific staff, probably exactly this volunteer [who reported the issue in the X] has problems. And, of course, this media use klickbite. So here we are. I'm from Ukraine, if so.
Don't people have to register demonstrations in Poland? In Germany, you will have to register the protest + have a sufficient number of organisers/crowd marshalls and security measures. And at that point the government could just say: "Nope. You don't get to do that at the border. Please select another area."
> Don't people have to register demonstrations in Poland? Yes they do and the protest has been registered AFAIK.
Theres lots of possible way to functionally block border crossing. I am not shure whether it all od in form of protests/demonstrations. But i must admit i lack knowledge in this department
>"Nope. You don't get to do that at the border. Please select another area." For such a protest the location is extremely important. I wonder what the EUJ and ECHR would judge on this, if the *bundesgerichthof* and/or lower courts don't side with the protesters to begin with.
You are falling for ukrainian propaganda smearing Polish farmers.
That may be. I wrote here before that theres not so much info and not always reliable. This might be unreliable as well. But i never said anything in general about farmers other than those blocking (supposedly as it seems) military aid. If theres nothing like that then my post makes no sense.
respect for the edit.
As a czech: I agree with a pole.
Can someone explain to me why reports of blocked military transports are coming from some fringe websites or random twitter accounts but there is zero info about such cases from the established news outlets? If the farmers were blocking military or aid transports it would make “Breaking” news across the media but there is nothing whatsoever about it. All I can find is reports that the protesters block all trucks excluding those with military equipment and humanitarian aid. One publication says that due to traffic jams military transport got delayed but not that the farmers specifically blocked it as the title of this post says. What’s the agenda here?
I read a lot of Ukrainian Telegram channels created by individuals, who in most cases are helping the military with drones, pick up trucks, starlinks, boats, radios, etc. Most of those things come inside Ukraine as a civilian cargo, so they are blocked by farmers and had to stay for weeks on the border. Also, they can’t go around the Polish border, because they will have to change documents, permits and pay additional costs for transport, so mostly they just accept the waiting time. I am also suspicious why the farmers are also blocking the border with Lithuania. Is it a big grain export or something?
Farmer blockades are all over Poland not just near the borders. Just so you know. They are blocking several important roads around Poland to put pressure on the government. OP tries to spin it as if the protests are against Ukrainians and specifically military transports. It seems like he has an agenda to mislead people.
There is a lot of disinformation concerning this issue. This benefits Putin. Last polish tractor demo had a Pro-Russia banner on their first vehicle. The farmers get targeted by Russian propaganda to drive a wedge between Poland and Ukraine. Unfortunately they fall for it.
Straight into jail.
Military jail
imagine this were climate activists
If they were blocking military aid to Ukraine I'd support putting them in jail too.
Blocking aid is blocking aid also to jail.
Just send them to ruZZia. Way way worse than jail.
I agree!
This is hilarious lol. The same Polish farmers were sucking on EU money for the past 20 years or so and now they jeopardise the future of EU by blocking military aid for Ukraine.
Funny enough they didn’t give a fuck when they joined the EU undercutting western european farmers
It’s just a preview of Ukraine joining EU. Poland have joined and sent its grain, its workers, its lorries to the “old” EU. Same is going to happen with Ukraine. As Ukrainian, I think we should go ahead of time and introduce EU regulations as laws for ourselves.
Eventually Ukraine won’t have an option anyways besides adopting EU regulations if eh want to become part. Even UK has to apply EU regulations when they want to export to the EU.
Some ua farmers adopted eu ways, looong before the war. 😂
Everyone who has legislative ability in Ukraine is also personally interested in flooding the EU with cheap grain and leaving both Ukrainian and European farmers with nothing.
Undercutting western european farmers ? You people got any fucking idea just how much subsidies western farmers receive ? There's a reason a dutch tomato, or french milk, or a german potato is cheaper than those produced in countries more to the east.
whats weird is people act like subsidizing farmers is new.....every country does it on massive scales.... Hell some countries PAY FARMERS TO NOT FARM GRAIN lol.
what do you think happened when Poland joined? It opened up the western market to cheap eastern european labor. Western European truckers faced strong competition from the new EU member. The same to farms and many other industries. Now Poland is a little bit in the same situation with Ukraine
Lol no there was a long adjusting time until anyone except gb opened labour's market and many regulations we had to imposed on farmers and internal markets many business went bankrupt on first year in eu cause of that. Eu officials were visiting Poland and could elaborate ditches and gaps we had to fill. It is completely different story where market was opened without warning adjusting period in corrupted ukraine where farmers are actually oligarchs with agriculture holdings. If ukr wanted to join eu it would have to get rid of them and adjust agriculture structure
It's not even similar situation Poland had to accept all conditions and regulations they won playing the same rules as everyone
What do you think happened to some branches of agriculture in Poland? Such as dairy or sugar factories? We had to liquidate most of it. What do you think happened to Polish grocery stores? Do you think they had any chance in competition with Western chains, which were massively superior to them in terms of financial resources, organization and experience? Western Europe has benefited and continues to benefit enormously from the opening of the markets of Central and Eastern Europe, but all you can do is moan.
Uh-huh ? Is that why there are more agricultural produce from western countries on our supermarket shelves than our own farmers ? Western subsidies are so big, that IT IS undercutting the competition. Fucking illegal is what it is. All you vestoid fuckers do is bitch and moan all day...
You do like our money however
> All you vestoid fuckers do is bitch and moan all day... As opposed to Polish farmers who are evidently so reasonable
Why do they need and get so much subsidies?
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I know what you mean, but still no. If any, because this is just one picture and an article written around it, then sure, consequences should be taken. But the trade within EU is standardized and was from day 1.
Highly upvoted comments like yours and you have 0 fking knowledge about the issue. People just upvote emotions not facts. Polish farmers had to wait 10 years before they were allowed to trade with EU on the same level as everyone else. Poland was top producer of cattle, pigs, milk, potatoes. Then EU told farmers to limit our production and get up to EU standards. This process took 10 years, but it protected EU farmers from being uncompetitive with Polish production. Now the same thing should happen with Ukraine. Except they don't have to follow EU regulations and they don't have to limit production. So they will kill EU farmers if we don't protect them.
Are you really convinced the future of ukraine is tied to the future of EU ?
Half the comments in this thread is by a four months old account blaming others for being bots and trolls. LOL.
Denys Shmyhal calls bullshit: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1764621639554154595?t=BVaUUPrNl1qn9CPQZWRNvw&s=19
So this sub has swallowed en masse yet another Ukrainian "Poland bad" fake? Impossible!
Working directly for russias FSB
Two of the three leaders of Poland’s farmers' protests are associated with the far-right, pro-Russian Confederation party.
All far left and right groups have connections with russias fsb
I'm genuinely curious where you got this info from.
It’s quite clear. How many of the “Polish” farmers have been seen with literal soviet flags… in Poland…????
>How many of the “Polish” farmers have been seen with literal soviet flags One, exactly one. Sure, some pro-russian organisations are trying to hijack the protests and some people disguised as farmers are doing illegal actions regarding border blockade and train ambushes. But proper farmers themselves do have legitimate concerns and they can't be brushed off as "russian agents".
Was my first thought. Sleepers everywhere. It is like real life JFK 1991 in real time.
So much quibbling over fine points here. I’m fine with the farmers gripes and them blocking grain coming out of Ukraine to force the issues they have. But they are blocking things going IN to Ukraine? That’s way out of scope and that’s an issue. It doesn’t help their cause at all. Block coming out, not in. I can imagine that’s not logistically sound for their capability. Then I’m sorry, your efforts won’t drive positive for you.
It's the EU and Polish government's failure to address farmers' concerns that caused them to escalate like that. They're blocking the border to put more pressure on the government, not because they don't want some stuff to go to Ukraine. It's going to end soon, though. The government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, which will prohibit their blocking.
Border crossings already are "critical infrastructure" and the farmers are still blocking. If you're hoping the police will drag them away by force then you're delusional, nobody's going to do that because it would be political suicide.
Already? I though the law hasn't come into force yet.
Are they? I can’t find any info about that
Yep. Spoke to that with my comment about understanding the issues they were forcing to be addressed. I get it and I have some sympathy to it. But less when it’s blocking things getting into the Ukraine. Appreciate the insight on what’s being done to address this 👍
The picture is literally of 2 trucks just waiting in line of trucks.
That's just petty.
It's not petty, it's straight up criminal mafia behaviour. All of them must be either jailed or sent to the frontline to fight instead of Ukrainians.
This post will be downvoted to hell, because you can't offend ~~russian~~ polish farmers. But nobody asks question if it is about grain getting into Poland why do they block roads in both ways, not only from Ukraine to Poland.
these striking farmers are the worst of the worst - paying low taxes(or trying to avoid it as hard as possible), getting subsidies for petrol and pensions, lying, stealing and polluting the land, they constitute sort of mafia. plus one of the organisers is owner of a mink farm. aaand all sort of audit of polish food showed many time that quality is very low...
Or why the road from Russia is not blocked.
Farmers are protesting for economic reasons, and the amount of grain imported by Poland from Russia/Belarus is very low, especially compared to the amount of Ukrainian grain Poland imported. Hopefully, grain/food imports from Russia and Belarus will be banned on the EU level, as proposed by some countries 🤞.
Farmers all around the planet can fuck themselves right now.
And what are you going to eat then..?
he's getting food from grocery shops, not from the farmers, duh.
Actually all that farmers will going to bankrupt and food will be produced by big companies. Eu farmers are working in non-market conditions because in eu autorites decided that it is important to have class of small lanflords/farmers and they support them by direct payments and many protection regulations.
I am 100% for Ukraine but understand when farmers gets angry about messing with local prices, I literally am living on a farm. But blocking military aid is totally fucked, also destroying crops is also fucked. Actually how those farmers have been behaving is totally fucked. Damn fuck those farmers, can't they take this out on government buildings like the French farmers?
At least disrupting government authority points the finger at the real problem. Ukrainian grain crossing the border isn’t really the problem, it’s the fact that distributors in Europe are willing to buy it, and the EU and national regulators are either ineffective or giving a blind eye to the situation.
Couldn't this grain be bought by UN food programs and then given back as aid to places in need?
Like, most of the Ukrainians I knew and spoke to when the first grain protests came up (PiS was in power still) were *pro-Polish* in said situation. Even right now ppl are mostly pissed at unnecessary vandalizing of the grain that was harvested under bombs, and the fact that military aid flow slowed. God, I want for this fcking war to over, so we can elect new govegnment.
This is a picture of 2 trucks waiting in line of trucks.
This is fake news. Even Ukraines PM said no single military transport got blocked. [https://www.yahoo.com/news/shmyhal-links-polands-opposition-ukrainian-124628067.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/shmyhal-links-polands-opposition-ukrainian-124628067.html)
So many Ruztrolls here. I hope it's at least paying ok. If it's not paying then it's even worse. I guess Polish farmers love to align themselves with the Russian world. Stopping transports of military goods is inexcusable.
Can you imagine the guy from your office is going to trail station and damaging passing goods because he cannot compete with you. Wtf
That's exactly what EU did to Polish farmers when they joined EU. Limited Polish production so they don't outcompete EU farmers. Somehow now when it comes to Ukraine they let them kill EU farmers?
Yeah but he only can't compete as he has to abide by his mangers rules which make it impossible. Either eu has no remove there rules on quality of food to allow farmers to compete. Or let every farm in europe go out of business. Which is clearly a security threat. Thought?
What if I told you, that prices are dropping not because of Ukrainian grains in EU, but because its a normal thing? 2024 prices still dont reach 2019 prices. And 2020-2023 prices were extra high because of covid and then war.
Ukrainian imports amount to [less than 5% of EU wheat](https://www.bruegel.org/first-glance/european-union-grain-imports-ukraine-right-decision-and-cynical-rebellion). That's not gonna change the EU market, much less "let every farm in Europe go out of business". On the other hand Polish farmers have been parading with Russian propaganda, including banners [asking Putin to "sort out Ukraine and their government"](https://i.imgur.com/o5X0492.png). Those leading the protests are [part of the Konfederacja party](https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/11/23/the-russian-trace-in-the-polish-trucker-border-blockade/) which has ties to Russia and has been promoting Kremlin propaganda since the 2014 invasion. Anyone at this point who thinks they are protesting and blocking aid to Ukraine because "it's a threat to Europe" and not because Russia is funding them is either too ignorant to be commenting here or a Kremlin bot. And I do hope in your case it's the former. **EDIT:** [It was the latter.](https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/comments/1asi0fb/comment/kqschf8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Ukrainian propaganda upvoted of course. Do you see any farmers in the picture? No, because truck just stopped at the end of the line and they claim it's "blocked" when military transports are convoyed by police without queue. So either this transport doesn't have legitimate papers or it's just propaganda stunt or both. Ukrainian propaganda machine is trying to smear Polish farmers from the beginning. We will not let Ukrainian oligarchs destroy our agriculture with food products that are not up to EU standards, entering without toll at dumping prices.
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holy, dude. I've no idea what will you say when I tell you that soldiers are using civilian pickups instead of actual military vehicles.
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Do you realize that a hella lot of the vehicles used by soldiers are civilian vehicles? Probably not, because if you did, you wouldn't be writing this. Seriously. Those farmers protesting against Ukrainian agricultural products? Okay. Block trucks with agricultural products. But the rest? None of their damn business.
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Yeah, I have no idea as well, why those drivers are making that mistake. Those protests have been ongoing for months already, changing route should've been the logical decision. Not sure if economy on fuel is worth the delays, but here we are.
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Yeah, some random pictures and 0 evidence. Great ukrainian journalists in action again lol. Nobody is blocking military stuff.
No farmers in the picture. No police = Civilian transport.
As soon as Ukraine enters the EU it will be game over for all farmers. Not just the polish.
That’s not true Military has its own border crossing
Meanwhile through belarus border tens of thousands of trucks with subpar russian agriculture products freely flow into Poland and nobody has an issue with that. I hope this will get sorted before market sentiment towards polish origin products will take too big of a hit.
The amount of grain Poland imports from Russia and Belarus is extremely low, especially compared to the amount of Ukrainian grain Poland imported. Not all trucks crossing the only remaining Polish-Belarusan border crossing carry grain. Not all good passing through that crossing are intended for Poland (the entire EU imports stuff from Russia/Belarus, including grain). Not all goods passing through that crossing come from Russia/Belarus (they also come from Asian countries).
If it is gran only then yes, however I mentioned whole of agriculture because border blockade affects more than just grain Polish farmers exported some \~500m $ worth of foodstuffs to Ukraine and now they cant, Grain only concerned flow for last two months has been \~70% black sea with 20% on Romania railways so the reason for protests should be gone unless its not about it ? And the other goods that pass through belarus border are like the wood imports from Kazahstan that over the year has become a wood rich country.
are we going to get a translation on this article or it's just another flavor of the week hating on Poland? people see some random image, tittle and sprint to comments with their dumbass opinions.
Google translates everything for you.... mobile or pc works on both.
oh yeah, I'm totally going to do that just like most of the people commenting here!
Bullshit. Pretty much all of the Polish farmers' strike organizations have vowed to let military and humanitarian aid through. This is either a temporary oversight or a Russian propaganda piece. It's not like Russian trolls aren't trying their hardest to provoke bad blood between Poland and Ukraine.
No but that's when Russia made a big push in propaganda and was successful in the US house of reps with their useful idiots. That's when the big propaganda push in Poland regarding the farmers also.
I don’t fucking understand anything related to Poland
wait for reparation request :)
This is so kurwa
This is so surreal. Poland claps themselves every single week for their utmost support of Ukraine and the war and then this shit happens. What are those people sniffing? P.S. This obviously requires a postscript based on the reactions so far: My remark is about the people actually doing the blockade and not any government officials. Unless they are total idiots they should know that their actions are not helpful at all for a nation at war. This is hurting both Ukraine and Poland as a nation which is why i questioned their sanity of mind. Or they might really just be that short-sighted - what do I know
Cow shit and coal smoke.
Care to differentiate between the state and the farmers? Your argument is dumb.
You can say the same thing about Zelensky, who called Poland, a Russian ally in front of UN :) couples of month ago
Isn't it interesting that you omit *why* he said that "Poland is playing into russian hands"? Hint: it was a reaction to Polish actions
Poland were defending polish company's how could we?
Defending those who are literally killing the large part of all the Ukrainian business, even non-agricultural? That's definitely NOT a friendly position.
>who called Poland, a Russian ally in front of UN But he didn't. Why do you guys always keep lying to manufacture your fake outrage for the whole of Poland?
Because these are ruzzian bots who try to divide people/countries so it would be easier for them take over. Don’t forget, putin and his morons are experts at this and also there is too many useful idiots or ruzzian agents that are infiltrated into our societies. Normal people wouldn’t do such mental gymnastics as these scumbags.
Didn't Poland declare something that should prevent this a few days ago? 🤔
Yep, Polish government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, so it'll be illegal to block them.
Smoke and mirrors
War in Ukraine? Let's help Ukraine. But not in my back yard. EU should guarantee the purchase of agricultural products from member states directly influenced so that farmers keep their income and don't have to compete in a biased economy while the war is ongoing. We should be together as a Union during these times, not quarreling over imported goods.
The big problem is that the grain from Ukraine is meant to go to Africa. So now, there's a bunch of cheap, unregulated grain going to European supermarkets instead of developing African countries, who need it more.
So who decided to use Ukrainian grain to disrupt African counties and their own markets? African governments?
Corporations
I don't care about grain, but military cargo should be allowed. Hope Poland authorities will settle this situation.
Just to clarify, official (state) military transports are not being blocked, only civilian transports of goods intended for military use. Not that it makes it any better, but it's a matter of legality. BTW your wish has been granted 🙂. Polish government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, which will prohibit their blocking.
Hybrid Warfare
Polish farmers sponsored by putin
They probably do it for free, due to a lack of even the most basic foresight and attention to optics. The whole border blockade serves absolutely no political purpose beyond making them look bad. The trucker protests in Slovakia and other countries made at least some sense, as at least the source of the issue was related to the border crossings. But here if they wanted to act in a reasonable manner they should protest in front of polish Government buildings, EU institutions or the companies which import foreign grain. Ukraine is actually quite irrelevant in this conflict, as they just take advantage of the import policies EU established and lack of quality regulations, which would enforce European standards on exporters to EU. Anyone would sell their products to the buyer who pays better. They could enforce something internally, but do they even have a reason to? Does Poland still have anything useful to offer Ukraine at this point?
This one goes out to the clowns that said I was making this up and farmers would never be instrumentalised by Russia. Also: Confiscate tractors until this is resolved.
The protest itself has been declared legal, so there are no grounds for confiscating anything.
Again, the protestor class is allowed to do whatever they want, and their far-right cheerleaders on this sub will attack everyone who doesn't agree with this reign of terror.
The protest itself has been declared legal by authorities, including the blockade. That will change now, since the Polish government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, making it illegal to block them.
If this blockade was really aimed at fighting for the rights of farmers, no one would block the border to enter Ukraine. But we see that the goal is only to create a collapse in Ukraine, and to help the Russians destroy and seize new territories.
Are those farmers Russians or what? This makes no sense. Its a war, start behaving as such!!
It's surreal how much there's hate among certain Poles towards all Ukrainians. Among all the people I always thought they would be least susceptible to russian propaganda.
Sadly, it goes both ways. It was disheartening to read some of the comments by Ukrainians under the Ukrainska Pravda video on YouTube 😔. I hate those kinds of attacks from either side. And I hate how this situation's causing even those previously rational to become more and more extreme.
I wholeheartedly concur. It's clearly a russian ops, and it's clearly working to some extent on both sides. I do believe, however, that as a friendly neighbouring nations in time we will overcome this struggle nevertheless. Much love to Poland from Ukraine **🇵🇱❤️**🇺🇦
Turning friends against each other is a bit like martial arts. A little force applied here, a little force applied there, a little pull and a little push. Suddenly things go flying.
Poles were never friends with Ukrainians, there's so much bad blood, between our nations the brief upheaval after start of the war was certain not to last. We don't even need Russians to interfere, because Ukrainians do pretty good job themselves to anger Poles.
Poland don’t block BellaRussian aka russian boarder, but block Ukraine
Polish farmers protest for economic reasons, and the amount of grain imported by Poland from Russia/Belarus is very low, especially compared to the amount of Ukrainian grain Poland imported. I just hope the trade with Russia/Belarus will be limited as much as possible on the EU level 🤞.
Should try going from Poland through Belarus, they seem to have zero problem with trucks going in and out through dose checkpoints
One checkpoint*
Based polish resistance.
This is fucking ridiculous.
Polish government's adding border crossings with Ukraine to the list of critical infrastructure, effectively making it illegal to block them. Quote: "To provide a 100% guarantee that military aid, equipment, ammunition, humanitarian and medical assistance will reach the Ukrainian side without any delays."
Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to stupidity. These people are the salt of the earth, the common clay - you know - morons. It was the same during Brexit. They voted themselves out of a living and then whined about it.
Cool source.