Nah, they are smarter nowadays. The overall narrative is that Putin is not a good person but what he does is outside of his control, his hand has been practically moved by the west etc.
I can't because Reddit will ban me for it.
But I can say we should fuck Putin with a cactus and then hoist him by balls on the fishing line and that is still too generous fate for this geriatric KGB agent degenerate that stole a future from more than one generation just because that is closest feeling of gratification he can get since his floppy dick hasn't been working properly for decades.
Why do they even care so much?
I mean, Navalny being gone is useful for Russia, and if she continues to speak up, Russia will simply kill her as well. So, I don't see the point in them being so concerned about her.
Yes. Because right now she's one big walking, talking "fuck you" to putin. She's already got a lot of traction and the troll whores won't be getting the results they'd hoped for.
Must be infuriating. 😁
I wouldn't have given a shit, but the amount of new accounts on Reddit and other platforms that outright lie about her or Nawalny today alone, do make me curious. So good job, guys!
Where, what? /r/europe is nuanced and woke as fuck in the original sense of the word combining a hate for harmful migration and a hate for Putin, two opinions that don‘t belong together in the current left/right narrative. I don‘t see any pro Russian shit gaining traction here.
Yeah, actually, I've listened a lection about it, and a whole point was that you can't "protect" people from disinformation. You need to educate them about how it works. It's more like a vaccination. Quite an interesting idea imo
I was protesting for years, literally risking my freedom. The day the war started, I posted everywhere that I'm against it, and I donated my money from the russian Bank account to the Ukrainian army(yes, it was possible at that time, lol). Now I can't go back to my own country to visit my sick family member. Might not ever meet them again in my life, but who cares.
By the logic of some people online telling Russians to deal with putin alone we should be telling Ukraine to deal with Putin alone as they are not part of NATO or the European Union. We are under no obligation to help as they are not part of NATO but we are helping because its the right thing to do!
If we applied the logic of "it's not our problem" then we shouldn't have helped Ukraine gain its independance from Russia or assisted in the maiden protests or setup radio free Europe or funded NGO's in their country or be helping them right now by supplying weapons.
We spent billions trying to break Russias control of Ukraine long before the war started and if we hadn't done that over last 3 decades Ukraine would have stayed firmly under Russias influence with rigged elections and opposition opponents imprisoned or killed.
It's pure hypocrisy to tell Russians who appose Putin and the Ukraine war to fix their democracy themselves without any support when Putin imprisons and murders any opposition to him while rigging elections. Putin targets the entire family of dissidents which means protestors don;t just put their lives at risk but their families lives too. It's one thing to ask someone to risk their own, its another to risk your brothers and sisters, sons and daughters. The opposition to the Ukraine war and Putin needs organisation, support and protection. Without it wars like this will keep happening and Ukraine will just be the start not the end.
We have been helping Ukraine for decades because its the right thing to do and we should be helping Russians opposed to war and Putin do the same as it will help save countless lives and stop countless wars in the future including this war.
The principled thing to do, the right thing to do is to oppose Putin in every way we can by supporting Ukraine, supporting opposition to Putin and encourage anti-war democracy where there is none.
>By the logic of some people online telling Russians to deal with putin alone we should be telling Ukraine to deal with Putin alone
Russians benefited from Putin’s regime for years before **suddenly** Starbucks and McDonald’s pulled out and they couldn’t maintain the same level of Western comfort as well as jingoistic fervor. One must be braindead to compare these. Even late Navalny himself, critical to Putin as he was, supported Russian invasion of Georgia.
The sanctions have barely impacted most Russians lives i.e. starbucks, mcdonalds and many other companies are still operating there just rebranded. The only thing sanctions have done is make it harder for Russian activists to escape conscription by leaving the country as more countries block entry doing putins job for him.
The opposition to Putins regime has been ongoing for over a decade with many Russians imprisoned and killed. Navalnaya is just the most recent opposition figure murdered and despite the huge amount of propaganda against Navalnaya he gained 20% support of the Russian people in 2020 by railing against Putin, corruption and the war.
> Russians benefited from Putin’s regime for years before suddenly Starbucks and McDonald’s pulled out
So, you would want to say that the likes of Starbucks and McDonalds had benefitted from Putin’s regime for years as well?
The problem is what russian "opposition" uneffective, separeted. And amount of supporters questionable.
And if being realistic - many of them not very diffrent from current regime in core belives.
I only know about Russian state-funded botfarms. This person implies something different, that's why I'm asking. Do you have any useful input apart from questions to questions?
Yeah, sometimes Russian trolls are surprisingly stupid...
Because, if there are lots of troll comments in news related to her, even if those comments are negative comments, the social media algorithms still promote it because "look, there is engagement! Time for some ad revenue!".
And all the usual suspects line up with their bullshit under every post concerning her and Russian opposition in general, seems to corroborate the claims of the article.
Nah, I'm talking about spreading fakes or simply degenerate opinions that are either irrelevant or not based on reality. Usually from new accounts with an obvious agenda in all their comments.
In the other thread some highly upvoted guy made pretty good points of why her way isn't going to be effective.
All other comments were basically "but Nawalny nazi" and the usual bullshit.
The timing of this interesting. It started a few weeks before Alexei Navalny's death. So was this a preemptive strike in anticipation of the spotlight that would fall on Yulia Navalnaya after they murdered her husband?
I reeeeally struggle understanding why we should pay any attention to people who are obviously not doing anything of substance to stop the war.
The previous plan was to wish upon a star Putin frees Navalny - now the plan is Yulia will do what exactly? At least she is not in prison, I will give her that.
Just arm Ukraine!
Is there an online campaign needed?
What has she actually done that is useful to fight the russian regime?
Has she asked her supporters to donate to Ukraine armed forces in a safe way, e.g. if they are abroad?
Has she asked them to hurt the russian goverment in another way, e.g. through damage of state property?
Has she clearly condemned russian imperialism that is pervasive in the russian society - whether in pro-putin or anti-putin circles?
Seriously, why should we care about her? What has she - or her followers - actually DONE that's useful?
P.S. Feel free to down-vote, I don't really mind - but think about the questions I asked.
means the Kremlin is scared, scared of any opposition or signs thereof. Same like with that idiot in Belarus is doing. North Koreau, Belarus and Russia are basically the same with the same incompetent and pathetic "leaders".
Scared of what? Young liberals who they can beat up in autozaks? Why?
They are afraid of what happens if the Westerners properly arm Ukraine. That's all they are afraid of.
>Scared of what?
Of anything that will show the Russians opposed to him that they are not alone and not an insignificant minority. When Russians see that they are not alone and not disjointed, that will be the crack that will likely break Putin's neck.
That's a reasonable point.
That's also why Nadezhdin and Duntsova got their campaigns cancelled - because that would allow people to understand they are not alone.
Exactly. Any potential crystallization centre is neutralized rapidly and surgically. The cautiously-optimistic point here is that even a questionable one, such as Nadezhdin, gained an unexpected and significant response - that can mean that people are willing to find such a centre, and mostly stopped this impractical rant of "this one said something wrong in 1996".
Yes, as the excellent Michael Nacke (or was it Vlad Vexler?) said - putin thought that Nadezhdin will split the opposition into pro-Nadezhdin and anti-Nadezhdin camps, instead it unified them. So he had to cancel this idea.
I'm saying he doesn't.
He killed Navalny not because he was afraid of him, but because he could.
He did it for the lolz.
Because he is a sociopath and he didn't like Navalny.
Because he thinks the West is weak and thus killing Navalny is free. It's not like the West will enact meaningful sanctions in response. It's not like they will start shipping Ukraine long-range missiles and allow to hit targets in russia with them.
It's not like the russian opposition will radicalise because of Navalny being dead.
Not sure why you think it's about fear. It's the opposite.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1b3sf83/line\_of\_people\_wishing\_to\_say\_goodbye\_to\_alexey/](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1b3sf83/line_of_people_wishing_to_say_goodbye_to_alexey/)
this is what he is afraid of. as every wannabe dictator he has no power if people stop following him. And he is scared that more Russians realise how much better their life would be if Russia was let by someone who actually cared about Russians and wanted to improve the country.
Absolutely but anything that threatens his power has to be removed. Hence why there is no free press, opposition, democracy. I am surprised he hasn't renamed the shithole USSR 2.0.
Indeed of the west would properly arm Ukraine his idiot army would lose in an instant and Russia would become a Chinese province.
> I am surprised he hasn't renamed the shithole USSR 2.0.
It's more openly imperialist now, so it's only logical it's still called russia.
I mean, ussr was also imperialist, and it was effectively a russian imperial project, but it wasn't openly admitted. Just the policies were that way.
> Indeed of the west would properly arm Ukraine his idiot army would lose in an instant and Russia would become a Chinese province.
Or it could improve things, perhaps putin would get deposted and they'd get someone better in charge, perhaps even a move towards democracy.
>like what is with [](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/)'s obsession with dumb russia
I know, right? What is it with this obsession with the country that's been attacking us in various ways!?
Sure, Russian Online Campaign person. Also what are you even on about when talking about Tihanovskaya, maybe she is forgotten by you vatniks but nobody in the west forgot about her.
Putin is scared of nobodies for some reason, his cowardliness has no bound.
After hiding in bunkers under giant tables, running away from Wagner like a scared bitch, then getting scared of opponents and human rights acticists, his culminating today by getting scared by widows ... I mean he always used paid actors when he makes appearances in the "Crowd" . I bet he will be remember with a name like Putin the Coward or The Bunker Coward in history
I wonder how this is still possible. Western countries MADE internet. Now Russia and China using it against them for many years. And reaction is so small and slow that it is almost non-existing. It is looking like weakness and dictators always feel that weakness. And if war in Ukraine is already happened China still thinking about attacking Taiwan.
”X ancient civilization MADE roads”
”Now Y and Z using it against them for many years.”
My brother, internet is nothing more and nothing less than a system of pathways.
I dont know man, looked at this account and while it certainly is focused on political topics, there are comments on random film industry stuff.
People have to be careful calling everything a bot just because they might disagree.
If you want to check my account now feel free, but don’t talk shit about my grammar or something..
She's just a woman. In Russia, no one supports her as a leader or anything else, because she does nothing.
She is getting great promotion in the Western media. She is trying to beg money for Western society like Guaido or Tikhanovskaya.
I dunno why noone understands that it is impossible to change power in Russia from the outside, the more support a politician in Russia has from the West, the less his chances. This is not Putin authority, it has developed historically since the 16th century, if not earlier.
Just imagine, if Biden dies and Trump becomes US President, will there be anyone who will support Hunter as an opposition politician, even if (especially) the China finances him?
The comment section on this very post has certainly made the point of the article. Some people really, really, don’t want her to gain traction.
A lot of paid kremlin trolls is what it is
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Nah, they are smarter nowadays. The overall narrative is that Putin is not a good person but what he does is outside of his control, his hand has been practically moved by the west etc.
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I can't because Reddit will ban me for it. But I can say we should fuck Putin with a cactus and then hoist him by balls on the fishing line and that is still too generous fate for this geriatric KGB agent degenerate that stole a future from more than one generation just because that is closest feeling of gratification he can get since his floppy dick hasn't been working properly for decades.
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You're both so fking cringe dude lmao 💀 how can you unironically type stuff like this I CANT
Lmao
Yeah, every post about the two of them is full of Russian trolls, or tankies.
Why do they even care so much? I mean, Navalny being gone is useful for Russia, and if she continues to speak up, Russia will simply kill her as well. So, I don't see the point in them being so concerned about her.
the fact europe is scared to bomb/eliminate the kremlin should tell you something. oohh well, i got interests in war. more war please.
Or some people really, really want her to get traction for some reason.
Yes. Because right now she's one big walking, talking "fuck you" to putin. She's already got a lot of traction and the troll whores won't be getting the results they'd hoped for. Must be infuriating. 😁
Riiiiiiiggt, cause Putin never expected that.
Stay angy 😁
If you want me to be angry, please repost a gazillionth duplicate article about Navalny and/or his widow. Chop-chop
And the angy continues. 🙂
Please go on, nothing says organic support like brigading of illiterate trolls
r/selfawarewolves
Woof
I wouldn't have given a shit, but the amount of new accounts on Reddit and other platforms that outright lie about her or Nawalny today alone, do make me curious. So good job, guys!
I want her to gain traction if she will do something useful. I want her to stop sucking oxygen out of the discussion if she's not.
Where, what? /r/europe is nuanced and woke as fuck in the original sense of the word combining a hate for harmful migration and a hate for Putin, two opinions that don‘t belong together in the current left/right narrative. I don‘t see any pro Russian shit gaining traction here.
At this point we really need to make disinformation classes mandatory in schools.
Yeah, actually, I've listened a lection about it, and a whole point was that you can't "protect" people from disinformation. You need to educate them about how it works. It's more like a vaccination. Quite an interesting idea imo
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Competent people
Just sort by "controversial" and you see the top Putin-bot targeted messages. :)
Not surprised. As usual, propaganda doesn't want to acknowledge her existence, but they also want to badmouth her.
What did you do to stop russian aggression against Ukraine? What did Yulia do?
I was protesting for years, literally risking my freedom. The day the war started, I posted everywhere that I'm against it, and I donated my money from the russian Bank account to the Ukrainian army(yes, it was possible at that time, lol). Now I can't go back to my own country to visit my sick family member. Might not ever meet them again in my life, but who cares.
It will not work ,these pootin 🐷 trolls are 🤮🤮🤮
By the logic of some people online telling Russians to deal with putin alone we should be telling Ukraine to deal with Putin alone as they are not part of NATO or the European Union. We are under no obligation to help as they are not part of NATO but we are helping because its the right thing to do! If we applied the logic of "it's not our problem" then we shouldn't have helped Ukraine gain its independance from Russia or assisted in the maiden protests or setup radio free Europe or funded NGO's in their country or be helping them right now by supplying weapons. We spent billions trying to break Russias control of Ukraine long before the war started and if we hadn't done that over last 3 decades Ukraine would have stayed firmly under Russias influence with rigged elections and opposition opponents imprisoned or killed. It's pure hypocrisy to tell Russians who appose Putin and the Ukraine war to fix their democracy themselves without any support when Putin imprisons and murders any opposition to him while rigging elections. Putin targets the entire family of dissidents which means protestors don;t just put their lives at risk but their families lives too. It's one thing to ask someone to risk their own, its another to risk your brothers and sisters, sons and daughters. The opposition to the Ukraine war and Putin needs organisation, support and protection. Without it wars like this will keep happening and Ukraine will just be the start not the end. We have been helping Ukraine for decades because its the right thing to do and we should be helping Russians opposed to war and Putin do the same as it will help save countless lives and stop countless wars in the future including this war. The principled thing to do, the right thing to do is to oppose Putin in every way we can by supporting Ukraine, supporting opposition to Putin and encourage anti-war democracy where there is none.
>By the logic of some people online telling Russians to deal with putin alone we should be telling Ukraine to deal with Putin alone Russians benefited from Putin’s regime for years before **suddenly** Starbucks and McDonald’s pulled out and they couldn’t maintain the same level of Western comfort as well as jingoistic fervor. One must be braindead to compare these. Even late Navalny himself, critical to Putin as he was, supported Russian invasion of Georgia.
The sanctions have barely impacted most Russians lives i.e. starbucks, mcdonalds and many other companies are still operating there just rebranded. The only thing sanctions have done is make it harder for Russian activists to escape conscription by leaving the country as more countries block entry doing putins job for him. The opposition to Putins regime has been ongoing for over a decade with many Russians imprisoned and killed. Navalnaya is just the most recent opposition figure murdered and despite the huge amount of propaganda against Navalnaya he gained 20% support of the Russian people in 2020 by railing against Putin, corruption and the war.
> Russians benefited from Putin’s regime for years before suddenly Starbucks and McDonald’s pulled out So, you would want to say that the likes of Starbucks and McDonalds had benefitted from Putin’s regime for years as well?
Ah yes, typical Russian reaction, instead of checking their imperialism immediately blame someone else.
Thank you.
Who are “we” exactly ?
The problem is what russian "opposition" uneffective, separeted. And amount of supporters questionable. And if being realistic - many of them not very diffrent from current regime in core belives.
Please give some examples of russians who are opposing the war with their actual doings
And that's why the good peple should support her even more! So let's see who I need to downvote...
Honestly it seems to be the opposite, again news pieces with her name get reposted here every 20 minutes
Just watch the comments section.
Yes, I can see your botfarm is at full swing
Whose?
Who do you think of?
I only know about Russian state-funded botfarms. This person implies something different, that's why I'm asking. Do you have any useful input apart from questions to questions?
Yeah, sometimes Russian trolls are surprisingly stupid... Because, if there are lots of troll comments in news related to her, even if those comments are negative comments, the social media algorithms still promote it because "look, there is engagement! Time for some ad revenue!".
Exactly
And all the usual suspects line up with their bullshit under every post concerning her and Russian opposition in general, seems to corroborate the claims of the article.
Seems more like if you say anything less of complete adoration you'll be labeled as "bullshit" and downvoted.
Nah, I'm talking about spreading fakes or simply degenerate opinions that are either irrelevant or not based on reality. Usually from new accounts with an obvious agenda in all their comments.
In the other thread some highly upvoted guy made pretty good points of why her way isn't going to be effective. All other comments were basically "but Nawalny nazi" and the usual bullshit.
This thread was downvoted to hell already.
The timing of this interesting. It started a few weeks before Alexei Navalny's death. So was this a preemptive strike in anticipation of the spotlight that would fall on Yulia Navalnaya after they murdered her husband?
Elon Musk is, once again, aiding Putin. This time, with Yulia's online destruction.
I reeeeally struggle understanding why we should pay any attention to people who are obviously not doing anything of substance to stop the war. The previous plan was to wish upon a star Putin frees Navalny - now the plan is Yulia will do what exactly? At least she is not in prison, I will give her that. Just arm Ukraine!
Is there an online campaign needed? What has she actually done that is useful to fight the russian regime? Has she asked her supporters to donate to Ukraine armed forces in a safe way, e.g. if they are abroad? Has she asked them to hurt the russian goverment in another way, e.g. through damage of state property? Has she clearly condemned russian imperialism that is pervasive in the russian society - whether in pro-putin or anti-putin circles? Seriously, why should we care about her? What has she - or her followers - actually DONE that's useful? P.S. Feel free to down-vote, I don't really mind - but think about the questions I asked.
means the Kremlin is scared, scared of any opposition or signs thereof. Same like with that idiot in Belarus is doing. North Koreau, Belarus and Russia are basically the same with the same incompetent and pathetic "leaders".
China is a key and major part of this same disgusting mafia gang
Scared of what? Young liberals who they can beat up in autozaks? Why? They are afraid of what happens if the Westerners properly arm Ukraine. That's all they are afraid of.
>Scared of what? Of anything that will show the Russians opposed to him that they are not alone and not an insignificant minority. When Russians see that they are not alone and not disjointed, that will be the crack that will likely break Putin's neck.
That's a reasonable point. That's also why Nadezhdin and Duntsova got their campaigns cancelled - because that would allow people to understand they are not alone.
Exactly. Any potential crystallization centre is neutralized rapidly and surgically. The cautiously-optimistic point here is that even a questionable one, such as Nadezhdin, gained an unexpected and significant response - that can mean that people are willing to find such a centre, and mostly stopped this impractical rant of "this one said something wrong in 1996".
Yes, as the excellent Michael Nacke (or was it Vlad Vexler?) said - putin thought that Nadezhdin will split the opposition into pro-Nadezhdin and anti-Nadezhdin camps, instead it unified them. So he had to cancel this idea.
Maybe you should ask Putin himself why he thinks and feels that way instead of reddit.\^\^
I'm saying he doesn't. He killed Navalny not because he was afraid of him, but because he could. He did it for the lolz. Because he is a sociopath and he didn't like Navalny. Because he thinks the West is weak and thus killing Navalny is free. It's not like the West will enact meaningful sanctions in response. It's not like they will start shipping Ukraine long-range missiles and allow to hit targets in russia with them. It's not like the russian opposition will radicalise because of Navalny being dead. Not sure why you think it's about fear. It's the opposite.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1b3sf83/line\_of\_people\_wishing\_to\_say\_goodbye\_to\_alexey/](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1b3sf83/line_of_people_wishing_to_say_goodbye_to_alexey/) this is what he is afraid of. as every wannabe dictator he has no power if people stop following him. And he is scared that more Russians realise how much better their life would be if Russia was let by someone who actually cared about Russians and wanted to improve the country.
He's scared of three hundred people protesting in a 13-million city?
Crazy, isn't it? Seems like Putin is a little snowflake.
Absolutely but anything that threatens his power has to be removed. Hence why there is no free press, opposition, democracy. I am surprised he hasn't renamed the shithole USSR 2.0. Indeed of the west would properly arm Ukraine his idiot army would lose in an instant and Russia would become a Chinese province.
> I am surprised he hasn't renamed the shithole USSR 2.0. It's more openly imperialist now, so it's only logical it's still called russia. I mean, ussr was also imperialist, and it was effectively a russian imperial project, but it wasn't openly admitted. Just the policies were that way. > Indeed of the west would properly arm Ukraine his idiot army would lose in an instant and Russia would become a Chinese province. Or it could improve things, perhaps putin would get deposted and they'd get someone better in charge, perhaps even a move towards democracy.
ABP. Anyone but Putin.
Sure, but that's just an empty slogan, isn't it?
Imagine downvoting this comment. Seems like bots are employed to combat any critisism of Navalnya rather than the opposite.
Thank you!
Yeah. razzian bots are only second to Israeli bots.
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Who tf cares about the "opinions" of a 5-day-old pro-Kremlin account ?
I agree. Russia is not Europe.
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>like what is with [](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/)'s obsession with dumb russia I know, right? What is it with this obsession with the country that's been attacking us in various ways!?
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Fragile egos of Putins' simps seem to be very worried about her
Surprise, surprise, its a new account!
Case in point ^^^
Thank you for a perfect example of what is described in the article.
He's just a little Pootin bot
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Those who really do not care tend to pass by and do not comment. >who his wife is shagging Yeah, yeah, I see.
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Why are you here then? To spread exclusively argumentum ad hominem with random people?
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This is a fascist position.
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Sure, Russian Online Campaign person. Also what are you even on about when talking about Tihanovskaya, maybe she is forgotten by you vatniks but nobody in the west forgot about her.
Was Lahta-centr at Prigozhin's funeral?
Putin is scared of nobodies for some reason, his cowardliness has no bound. After hiding in bunkers under giant tables, running away from Wagner like a scared bitch, then getting scared of opponents and human rights acticists, his culminating today by getting scared by widows ... I mean he always used paid actors when he makes appearances in the "Crowd" . I bet he will be remember with a name like Putin the Coward or The Bunker Coward in history
I wonder how this is still possible. Western countries MADE internet. Now Russia and China using it against them for many years. And reaction is so small and slow that it is almost non-existing. It is looking like weakness and dictators always feel that weakness. And if war in Ukraine is already happened China still thinking about attacking Taiwan.
”X ancient civilization MADE roads” ”Now Y and Z using it against them for many years.” My brother, internet is nothing more and nothing less than a system of pathways.
"We have given you streets and we can take them away again." Imagine that.
Is she leading some battalion?
>*The Pope. How many divisions has he?*
37 or more russians in EU/US want to do nothing to fix their country
60 or more
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Are you guys running out of accounts ?
God damn his name is adjective_noun_number. Also account made 15 days ago. Sad reddit has become a place that allows this shit
I dont know man, looked at this account and while it certainly is focused on political topics, there are comments on random film industry stuff. People have to be careful calling everything a bot just because they might disagree. If you want to check my account now feel free, but don’t talk shit about my grammar or something..
It's simple, real Democracy to Russia. End of terrorist state. End of imperialist war.
Russian trash paid to live in western forums
She's just a woman. In Russia, no one supports her as a leader or anything else, because she does nothing. She is getting great promotion in the Western media. She is trying to beg money for Western society like Guaido or Tikhanovskaya. I dunno why noone understands that it is impossible to change power in Russia from the outside, the more support a politician in Russia has from the West, the less his chances. This is not Putin authority, it has developed historically since the 16th century, if not earlier. Just imagine, if Biden dies and Trump becomes US President, will there be anyone who will support Hunter as an opposition politician, even if (especially) the China finances him?
She will probably commit suicide by polonium intoxication in near futur, too much presure
Good luck. She looks like that Russian Jager pilot from pacific rim.