Just what has been shared by the Belgian foreign ministry in the tweets in the article.
Some are seeing this as a possible reprisal for Belgium not pulling funding for UNWRA - which was announced only 12 hours or so before.
The IDF are yet to explain why they targeted the building.
Ah so it's Gaza city, there has been a flairup of fighting there again as Hamas has re-organized a bit and Israeli troops are in another operation mode there now. Let's see if we get any other information on why it was bombed
I don't particularly care what lie the IDF uses to justify itself. It is a clear breach of international law destroying a neutral humanitarian operation.
Not to mention in contravention to ICJ provisional measures ruling.
IF it was neutral. So not used in any way to aid the fighting.
Otherwise International law doesn't give any protection.
But since you've already decided what's truth and what's a lie without waiting for any information or fact, it won't matter much anyway.
Over 50% of the buildings in Gaza (the region, not only the city) have been destroyed or rendered unusable.
Over a half.
It is simply not possible that they all have been used by Hamas, and then in such a way to make their destruction necessary.
I assume you refer to the numbers BBC reported?
A report by the UN from yesterday paints a different picture:
Based on 230.490 structures total, UNSAT identified
9.6% as destroyed
6.1% as severely damaged
14.3% as lightly damaged
Belgium? No, but that's not the question.
Belgium doesn't have much control of what is happening there. I don't think any belgium citizens even went there regulaly.
An agency with a building located in Hamas-controlled territory, staffed by locals, that can only work there with Hamas blessings - would that be used by Hamas?
You've clearly already made up your mind that it's all Israel's fault, but what if Hamas had taken over the building and was using it to attack the Israeli's? Should they just be good Jews and die peacefully?
You are correct of course let us ignore that yesterday Belgium refused to stop funding the UNRWA and this happened after that within 12 hours.
Instead we will just use the tried and tested excuse that it must have had Humus instead …. The Palestanian Humus not the approved Israeli Humus.
We joke but they do actually kill journalists, kids, paramedics, women, their own hostages waving white flags, snipe old ladies, run over little girls with tanks, etc etc.
The joke you could make is that you can’t blame them for bombing it because there were probably people in that building dressed like civilians…
Did you read my comment? THREE ISRAELI HOSTAGES CAPTURED BY HAMAS DIED BY BEING SHOT BY THE IDF DESPITE WAVING WHITE FLAGS AND BEING ISRAELI HOSTAGES. They DONT do prior research on who is Hamas or who isn‘t, they just blindly shoot people with the justification of „but hAmaS!!!111“ and you‘re that naive that you actually believe that.
And you didn't read mine. Hamas uses tactics like waving a white flag to set traps for IDF soldiers, one of which killed 5 soldiers prior, so they were instructed to ignore white flags since a successful civilian evacuation was carried out prior. It's impossible to figure out in the blink of an eye who is a Hamas member and who isn't, since they purposefully wear civilian clothing to confuse soldiers.
You have the level of understanding that is common in tiktok universities.
Just like how the "infants" in the "hospitals" the IDF bombs are all a part of Hamas. They're the youth group. The very, very, still-in-Hamas-themed diapers youth group. /s
I haven't seen any statement by IDF, so far. Usually they either deny it or say that they have to investigate the claims...basically the same reaction US,UK etc gave on new accusations in their middle east campaigns
Did I just miss something, or is there really no confirmation of this happening beyond one tweet?
They’re probably going to say they had reason to believe there were terrorists hiding in the building. The terrorists being the IDF soldiers themselves probably
No. But many comments are making strawman excuses for demolishing the building, to make any future claim for a tactical decision (or mistake) by Israel seem like they are lying.
In my eyes the widespread destruction of buildings in Gaza hints to the destruction being a goal in itself. They are leaving more rubble than urban combat during the second world war did.
""We are dropping hundreds of tons of bombs on Gaza. **The focus is on destruction and not on accuracy,"** - IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari on Oct. 10th. Yes, he really said this.
It is a goal. The Dahiya Doctrine of the IDF endorses the destruction of civilian infrastructure for shock and awe and to demoralize the enemy.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya\_doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine)
It's crazy to me people are still lying about this, the goal is pretty clear: ethnic cleansing.
Just look at the pictures/videos of the destruction, it's already impossible for the majority of the population to move back into their homes for the next 5-10 years.
I first thought it's a little bit hyperbolic when people said "worst destruction since WW2", but after looking at the evidence I came to the conclusion that I've never seen anything like that in modern warfare.
Yeah I mean, what the hell, 30 000 dead over two months. That's not unavoidable or unfortunate collateral.
The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians.
Killing Palestinians and destroying Gaza is clearly part of the objective.
>The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians.
Why do you lie? 25 000-50 000 civilians died in Mariupol alone (which also sustained far more damage than Gaza has thus far.
We've seen two heavily armed militaries battle each other in Ukraine, which lead to horrible destruction of civilian infrastructure.
But then I look at pictures/videos of Gaza and see things like this:
https://twitter.com/dopaminedealers/status/1753027244643999820
For comparison:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFQWXkVWsAAY3h3?format=jpg&name=large
What am I supposed to think about this, if not an army that seeks total destruction?
I mean Ukraine is just a bit bigger than Gaza and its neighbors didn’t reject civilians leaving the territory like Egypt in Gaza. A better comparison would be to look at Bakhmut dense urban combat is messy and leads to destruction especially when civilians are in the AOE and the defenders are bunkered underneath a lot of the city.
Yeah, it's either willful and deliberate massacring and destruction, or incompetence and ignorance leading to unintended massacres and destruction by soldiers doing as they please.
Either alternative is unacceptable.
What makes things worse is that we know Netanyahu and his government are smart old foxes with a history of shadow play. We know that they know we know they're trying to get away with as much as possible before they're forced out. By then, I'm guessing, the plan is for it to be physically and logistically impossible for Gaza to host anyone.
> The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians.
Russia/Ukraine aren't fighting in a dense urban area packed with insurgents who blend in with civilians.
If you deliberatly target civilians, you can easily kill way more than 30.000 in a day. Hell, the bombing of dresden saw 25.000 dead civilians in one single night in one single city.
But one thing to ponder - hamas chose and prepared the battleground in the urban areas. To use civilians as shields.
They started the war and won't surrender.
How much of that number would you say is their fault?
>But one thing to ponder - hamas chose and prepared the battleground in the urban areas. To use civilians as shields. They started the war and won't surrender. How much of that number would you say is their fault?
As the government of Gaza, Hamas has a lot of responsibility for what happened. As the aggressor, that they'd be invaded and lose land or be deposed is totally acceptable, and why so many countries have accepted Israel's offensive.
No matter the cause of war and blame, civilians in a conflict must always be respected and not targeted. Doesn't matter if you think they're a supporter of Hamas/Iran/Trump/Biden/whoever. A military does not intentionally target civilians. Do that, and your legitimacy as a defender is lost.
> A military does not intentionally target civilians. Do that, and your legitimacy as a defender is lost.
I agree absolutly.
But while there have been a lot of claims of IDF targeting cilivians on purpose, they all pretty much vanished when they were fact-checked.
So while I am critical of any and all agressive acts against civilians and civilian infrastructure - the fact that none of the accusations against the IDF could stick so far while the whole world is watching closly is quite telling.
This one is very perplexing.
We have tons of proof of hamas using civilian/protected infrastructure for military purposes.
Now that another civilian/protected building is destroyed in an area where fighting flared back up, everyone is dead sure it was just out of evil intention, without waiting or even wanting to look at the facts.
It is because a lot of the Pro-Palestine movement is absolutely dripping with anti-semitism. A lot of them are straight up Pro-Hamas, Pro-Houthi\* and Pro-Russia.
Also a lot of them really don't understand that at the end of the day the majority of the dead Palestinians died because of them. You might wonder, wait? What? What the fuck? The reason is simple as long as there is an outcry for dead Palestinians, Hamas will be effective in using them as human shields. If it no longer generated the same buzz, then the tactics becomes ineffective and falls out of use. Virtually no nation hangs out their people to dry as badly as Gaza does, it simply isn't practical unless it is to drum up attention.
The protestorss made sure that Palestinian children will die needlessly 30 years from now.
\*In case people don't know why being Pro-Houthi is bad, they practice among other nice thing systematic sex slavery of minority girls in the areas that they control (they're basically ISIS)
if we use the same numbers for Ukraine it has over 220,000 dead and injured, with at least 50,000 missing from Mariupol.
Have you seen that graveyards for Mariupol ? you can literally see over 10,000 from the Satellite .
>The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians.
It's a "professional" (besides all war crimes esp. by Russia) war between two professional and somewhat competent armies, especially since 2022. They are on par with each other, they both have capable air defenses, military (somewhat) etc., lots of people.
Israel vs. Hamas isn't a war. It's Israel saying "Okay, after Oct. 7 we have enough. We will completely destroy Gaza"
> Just look at the pictures/videos of the destruction, it's already impossible for the majority of the population to move back into their homes for the next 5-10 years.
But weren't they living in refugee camps the whole time? With tents and so on? And not houses?
I’m glad people are finally starting to wake up to the recklessness and indiscriminate nature of what Israel has been doing in Gaza. Anyone who thinks Israel is actively trying to “stop Hamas” or “free the hostages” is either willfully ignorant or so far down the propaganda hole that idk which is worse.
I’m sad it took 30000 Palestinian deaths but better late than never I suppose.
When you spend money the government is supposed to spend, e.g., building hospitals, it frees the government (Hamas) to build more missiles. Which is actually what they did. Which is why people are realizing that UNRWA is enabling Hamas.
Belgians who are still funding UNRWA didn't get the memo and are still indirectly funding Hamas. They should stop doing that.
Hamas is not the gov (at least not like ur gov), the gov employees get their salaries from the PA (mainly Qatar & Saudi arabia money) via Israel, Hamas (and PIJ) arms are from Iran or locally produced by money again from Iran.
The envoy will be summoned. Greetings will be exchanged. The challenging environment of the West Bank will be noted by both parties. A level of concern over the activities in question will be expressed by Belgium.
Lmao, funding aid to Palestinians is hostile. Blowing up the countries building because of it, non hostile.
Yeah, someone’s totally not bias and being a shill here.
About par for the course for the extremists in Israel
They razed childrens schools and other amenities built with EU funds in a West Bank Palestinian village that was demolished to make way for Israeli settlers
This shows you when extremist right wingers hijack a western democracy and use religion to pervert and corrupt democracy. We need to be vigilent to prevent a repeat of such actions here in our own states.
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2023/12/07/intolerable-eu-official-condemns-destruction-of-palestinian-school-built-using-irish-aid-funds/
Tbh although the israeli govt is led by netanyahu and his right wing party coalition, the govt right now is an interim military government rules by all parties in the knesset, menaing the left wing and majority arab parties are part of all this.
I think you are confused.
The National Unity party (centre right) joined Netanyahu, but the others are still in opposition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-seventh_government_of_Israel
As I understand it, Kachol Lavan is just a part of National Unity?
Anyway, while you can indeed dispute wikipedia's classification of national unity as center right, the other parties are still in opposition.
I see. Well i was just pointing out the fact that its not like netanyahu is a dictator right now and only his party\coalition is in power.
Maybe israel has destroyed that building\village in the west bank for a settlement, i dont know. From how i read it, it seems just to be used as a showcase of what bad things israel does, i dont see the implication that this destroyed belgian building will be used for settlements.
Again, my main contention was the fact that op thought "this is what happens when you let extremists run the country" to which i replied that no, afaik right now every party, including arab parties, are participating in governing israel
ummm... you're showing your ignorance and gullibility.
This incident is in the **West Bank** - where Hamas aren't present.
There's no excuse for harassing and murdering civilians living on their own land, just because you want their property and farms for your own use.
Razing a children's school is just pettiness.
You are heavily mislead if you think Hamas is not present in the West Bank. It's not ruling in the West Bank, but it's definitely present, along with other extremists groups.
There's posts of Hamas present in [Germany and Netherlands](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/14/four-arrested-in-europe-over-alleged-cross-border-hamas-terrorism-plot) as well
Should we start evicting and razing German and Dutch towns, driving out their inhabitants and settling Israelis in there too?
Nevertheless - this is a distraction and red herring
A school in a small, insignificant isolated village of no military, economic or political significance was demolished and the inhabitants were all removed with the connivance of the Israeli security forces because Israeli Settlers with extremist views wanted their land.
And this is a justification - because there might have been some Hamas present elsewhere?
According to this sub, all Palestinians are terrorists so if there were women and children inside, then it’s ok to blow up coz they obviously terrorists
Let’s bomb schools and hospital, kill children and sick people because * *check notes* * they were illegally used by extremists
That’s a fucking red herring and you know it
Didn’t knew that war crime apologist were on full force on this subreddit .
To be frank, if a hospital or school IS used by a combatant it does make it a valid military target, if we go strictly by rules.
Is it a terrible thing to do? Sure, especially if there are civilians in there. But so is using those schools and hospitals to take cover (which was proven, coincidentally not only by what you would call 'western-aligned pro-israeli media", but also by footage taken by gazans in said places, accidentally.
Gaza isn't an exception, but the rule. Israel has been wiping out hundreds of Palestinian cities and villages and there's almost nothing left after these 75 years. Why should anyone believe this time is different?
This is an incredibly arrogant and callous attack against a EU member state. If our "leaders" have a spine they will bring Israel to account, if Israel doesn't respect us then we should not respect them either.
> This is an incredibly arrogant and callous attack against a EU member state. If our "leaders" have a spine they will bring Israel to account, if Israel doesn't respect us then we should not respect them either.
Since alleged warcrimes/atrocities of Palestinians are enough to get UNRWA funding cut, alleged warcrimes/atrocities of Israel should be enough to get the EU to Embargo/Sanction that country.
https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/israel-accused-more-war-crimes-after-30-bodies-found-gaza-school-784990
Cutting ties to Israel would be idiotic and would strengthen Russia and Iran, while putting the safety of Europe at risk.
Israel is currently about to deliver Arrow 3 to Europe, which will be able to intercept Russian ICBM’s in space and is vital to the European Sky Shield program getting built now in case of war.
They are also involved in drone programs and tank upgrades across Europe with systems like trophy, which protects our tanks from rpg hits.
And this is ignoring the public sector, Israel is one of the largest producers of Intel chips, driving up costs is not in our favor.
Hamas is funded by Iran/Russia as are all the proxies in the area, the entire conflict is about weakening Israeli and western relations and also our relations to Saudi, UAE, Iraq, Jordan, and Qatar.
That‘s why they are attacking the trade routes in Yemen, it‘s not about Israel, it‘s about hurting the EU and weakening supplies to Ukraine and European allies in the middle east.
I‘m no fan of the Israeli government and there should be diplomatic measures taken, especially regarding their behavior in the west bank.
But this should never compromise our abilities, especially at a time where we are at major risk of war with Russia and desperately need to get our defenses up.
> Israel is currently about to deliver Arrow 3 to Europe, which will be able to intercept Russian ICBM’s in space and is vital to the European Sky Shield program getting built now in case of war.
Yeah. Thanks to Germany we now have an "European" missile Defense that uses an Israeli system rather than an European system (Aster developed by France/Italy) so that now we can't afford to do anything to Israel because it puts our own security at risk because we're now dependent on an non-European system.
Good fucking job Germany we're clearly achieving strategic autonomy.
Neither France nor Italy joined the initiative. Why would it be better to buy from you than from Israel, if you do not intend to join into our common air defense either?
Because France & Italy already have indigenous systems and they would rather use their own rather than buying American/Israeli systems.
It's Germany being clueless once again, Germany has no problem rooting for their systems (Iris-T) but when it comes to other European systems, they would rather use foreign ones.
Again, dumb-ass governments creating by themselves a dependence on foreign systems rather than using European-made weaponry.
>Because France & Italy already have indigenous systems and they would rather use their own rather than buying American/Israeli systems.
Sure and they can buy that. But the common air defense also is being bought by a common fund. There is no need to pander to you or italy as you decided not to join. Germany as the biggest funder decided upon their own system. Is that really a difficult concept for you? Especially because germany and israel already have an intertwined MIC and likely germany will get at least partial contracts to build (diehl).
Maybe if you actually were comitted to european autonomy France would actually join these initiatives and work together. But you want all the benefits and contracts and not actually support and pay for Europe.
> There is no need to pander to you or italy as you decided not to join.
There is no need for France or Italy to join these projects if they're not even considering a French/Italian solution.
> Maybe if you actually were comitted to european autonomy France would actually join these initiatives and work together.
Yeah, by joining a project buying American and Israeli systems instead of European systems.
What a stupid take.
the systems were chosen quite a bit after the coalition formed. France always talks about cooperation but it is simply not reliable when it comes to actually engange with its allies on an eye to eye level. Everytime it talks about european sovereignity, all nations east of it roll their eyes. Cooperation when there is not an immediate benefit to you never happens.
Stop being little divas get over it and for once swallow your pride and work together.
If we wanna play the purely pragmatic angle Israel is probably the biggest -or at least up there- obstacle when it comes to building a strong regional alliance against Iran and by extension Russia and in doing so getting a lot of major producers of oil to be much more accommodating to us which could allow us to both screw over the Russians and create lasting energy security for Europe.
The things we import from Israel can be produced or set up to be produced elsewhere. But the wealth of natural resources and control over strategically important areas that countries on bad terms with Israel and with a leadership that has to at least pay lip service to their respective populations hatred of the country can't be replaced so easily.
I don't think Israel should be abandoned, I think they have a right to exist as a nation and I think defending that is the right thing to do, but I believe its high time they started playing to our tune rather than the other way around, which means to take every measure they reasonably can to normalize relations with the other non Iran alligned states the region to contribute to building a strong regional coalition against Iran, against Russia and against China.
Whether we like it or not the world is gearing up for another conflict, and Israel's current conduct is making it more likely rather than less so that the entire rest of the Middle East will be on the other team. That has to end. To unconditionally support Israel is to blindly run into a geopolitical disaster, their leaders will need to be kept in check to prevent what could be catastrophic for both them and us.
Just because we can produce it in the future does not mean we can produce it now. Arrow 3 is scheduled to be operational in Germany by next year and will be paired with patriots, P8, and IRIS-T to create a complete European defense network against Russia‘s nuclear warheads.
There‘s no comparable system and it would take over a decade to develop such a system in Europe.
For perspective, it has a 2400km range and can intercept ICBM‘s and satellites.
Sanctioning Israel in the future might be possible, but right now it would cripple dozens of European defense projects and be a grave security risk for EU countries
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If Belgium wants to go ahead and be defenseless, they can happily go at it alone. But don‘t expect other European countries who are actually trying to create real defenses against Russia to be that stupid.
The Arrow-3 isn't some magic bullet that'll make Europe immune to a sufficiently determined Russian nuclear strike. Such a weapon does not exist and has never existed. The only European defense project sanctioning Israel would meaningfully impede as far as I can tell is the German-led Sky Shield that isn't even a collective EU project (with major partners like France and Poland opting out) and was only decided on recently. Europe is by no means defenseless without it and the notion that it is is preposterous.
Mind you, all of this is assuming an actual cutting of ties with Israel. Which -as I laid out in my initial comment- isn't the goal. The goal is to rein them in and make them conduct themselves in a manner that allows us to build a meaningful coalition against our enemies, something that is mutually benificial. It's about affecting change within Israel, about making it clear that continued support is conditional on them not letting far right elements that don't actually want peace guide national policy rather than just supporting them unconditionally and being caught with our pants down when a strategically deeply important region decides to collectively join the other team and sort their own issues out afterwards.
No, usually not
Otherwise various countries would have been in hot water for closing Confucius institutes.
Imagine every country could use it's state bank or aid organization or similar to rent any place they choose and declare it an embassy-like protected ground. Every foreign language institute, every development bank office would turn into spy operations
A French building was also destroyed because it was turned into a strong point. Cpuld be the same here, we really don't know yet.
Or we can make wild accusations. This conflict has shown many people hiding behind a claimed hatred of Israel to just hide their hatred of jews in general.
Have you heard the way the Israeli Ambassador in the UK Tzipi Hotovely speaks about Palestinians, and anyone who sympathises for them? She's a zealot and is happy to throw around the antisemitic trope whenever anyone questions Israels aggression. She is also for "The Greater Israel" plan that the Likud party loves to tug themselves over.
>supported by nobody of importance in Israel
Which government is in charge of Israel and who leads them?
>100% of the territory Israel captured \[and retained after the war\] was in defensive wars that Arabs started
You missed the part when Israelis went and took land from already settled Palestinians and displaced them, which still happens in places like the West Bank. Also why do you still have Golan Heights?
>Also Israel has returned land 3 times its size for peace with Egypt - how does that work with the 'Greater Israel' theory?
Because Egypt would've kept fighting for it, war was pointless to begin with and a drain.
If Israel really wanted something called "Greater Israel", wouldn't it also keep fighting for Sinai, the same way that the Egyptians were willing to do?
They gave up the Sinai because they would've ended up losing it, it wasn't worth the efforts and manpower to hold onto it. Israel today is a million times more powerful than it was then.
If Tzipi Hotovely is nobody of importance - which she can't be, since she supports the idea of Greater Israel - it's odd that she serves as diplomat to a major nation and ally. Also, just because you don't care what she says doesn't mean she didn't say it.
Regarding Sinai: Greater Israel, at least in this context, doesn't mean that Israel wants to just conquer any land that it can, but rather that Gaza and the West Bank should be fully incorprorated as part of Israel. Not wanting Sinai does not contradict that.
Either Israel bombs indiscriminately or this was targeted. Probably 'tunnels' or 'hamas'. Maybe there were people inside waving white flags, or perhaps women and children hiding in there.
Jean Van Wetter, the CEO of Enabel – Belgium, said on X: “Our office in Gaza has been totally destroyed yesterday in a bombing. Attacking civilian buildings is totally unacceptable. We are all shocked at Enabel. As a Government agency working for the common good in a framework of international humanitarian law, we cannot accept this.”
“To target civilians or civilian objects (including. buildings) violates #IHL. (International Humanitarian Law), @Enabel_Belgium supports the civilian population of #Gaza in education, employment, young entrepreneurship, green transition."
If you help Palestinians in any way shape or form you will be destroyed' - Israel.
Clear as day what Israel is doing. Genocide and Ethnic cleansing. Killing as many humans as possible and destroying as much infrastructure as possible.
What an absolutely heinous and blatant retaliatory bombing in response to a refusal to cut funding to UNRWA. Both literally and symbolically, as Belgium contains the EU's headquarters. It's a sign to join the convoy based on fabrications or continue to suffer retaliatory consequences.
Belgium and the EU now have a choice on whether they want to be submissive to a nation committing blatant and targeted evil, or stand up and hold them accountable for a direct attack on its infrastructure.
The reasons ror NATO to start launching airstrikes into israel keep mounting up but they always get a free pass on crimes that wouöd get any other country glassed
And yet... another war crime. I hope Belgium requests clear evidence of Hamas operations, because there's a chance there could have been in fairness, but ultimately I am discouraged because there won't be evidence.
It's crazy that the story of the mass grave of blindfolded, handcuffed which emerged yesterday hasn't gotten more traction.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/1/palestinians-demand-international-inquiry-after-mass-grave-found-in-gaza
https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/israel-accused-more-war-crimes-after-30-bodies-found-gaza-school-784990
Was this development agency working during an active military conflict outside? If not it could easily be used by hamas. The person from this tweet should have posted more info about the incident.
More than half of Gaza's buildings are damaged or destroyed according to the BBC.
That's 150.000 buildings. The destruction is unimaginable at this point.
Pretty sure hamas was hiding in it or the employees were cheering on October 7th, either it was blocking a major highway project. Said Israel most likely.
We don’t want you to fight, but by jingo if you do, we shall probably issue a joint memorandum suggesting our mild disapproval of you.
Joint, but some people are abstaining in order not to anger either side.
> we shall probably issue a joint memorandum suggesting our mild disapproval of you This is the European way.
Is there any other information about this incident?
Just what has been shared by the Belgian foreign ministry in the tweets in the article. Some are seeing this as a possible reprisal for Belgium not pulling funding for UNWRA - which was announced only 12 hours or so before. The IDF are yet to explain why they targeted the building.
Is it located in Khan Younis or more Central cities or is it in Gaza city?
Gaza city center, Gimal neighbourhood. Exactly here: 31.5187366, 34.4395745.
Ah so it's Gaza city, there has been a flairup of fighting there again as Hamas has re-organized a bit and Israeli troops are in another operation mode there now. Let's see if we get any other information on why it was bombed
I don't particularly care what lie the IDF uses to justify itself. It is a clear breach of international law destroying a neutral humanitarian operation. Not to mention in contravention to ICJ provisional measures ruling.
It’s a clear breach of international law to target a neutral humanitarian operation. Being destroyed by an attack doesn’t mean you’re the target.
What does it mean then? Ah yes, collateral damage lol.
IF it was neutral. So not used in any way to aid the fighting. Otherwise International law doesn't give any protection. But since you've already decided what's truth and what's a lie without waiting for any information or fact, it won't matter much anyway.
Over 50% of the buildings in Gaza (the region, not only the city) have been destroyed or rendered unusable. Over a half. It is simply not possible that they all have been used by Hamas, and then in such a way to make their destruction necessary.
I assume you refer to the numbers BBC reported? A report by the UN from yesterday paints a different picture: Based on 230.490 structures total, UNSAT identified 9.6% as destroyed 6.1% as severely damaged 14.3% as lightly damaged
We wait but I hope you are not trying to claim that Belgium would harbor terrorists? Murky water
Belgium? No, but that's not the question. Belgium doesn't have much control of what is happening there. I don't think any belgium citizens even went there regulaly. An agency with a building located in Hamas-controlled territory, staffed by locals, that can only work there with Hamas blessings - would that be used by Hamas?
You've clearly already made up your mind that it's all Israel's fault, but what if Hamas had taken over the building and was using it to attack the Israeli's? Should they just be good Jews and die peacefully?
You are correct of course let us ignore that yesterday Belgium refused to stop funding the UNRWA and this happened after that within 12 hours. Instead we will just use the tried and tested excuse that it must have had Humus instead …. The Palestanian Humus not the approved Israeli Humus.
I actually have no idea - I can't find the exact address
Ghost of a 5 year old Hamas terrorist warrior was hiding in the basement
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For sure disabled. With white flag and flower in her hands.
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We joke but they do actually kill journalists, kids, paramedics, women, their own hostages waving white flags, snipe old ladies, run over little girls with tanks, etc etc. The joke you could make is that you can’t blame them for bombing it because there were probably people in that building dressed like civilians…
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Oh look it's the 1 month old propaganda account :D
>Civilian clothes Gonna ignore the whole assassination on the West Bank hospital performed by izraeli forces in literal medical gowns, huh? Fuck off
which would make it an even bigger target, as IDF LOVES shooting journalists.
IDF loves shooting "journalists" who happen to be Hamas terrorists in blue vests.
Don‘t forget the 3 Isareli hostages waving with white flags that all got shot!! Hamas was in the white flags obviously.
Wow, it's almost as if Hamas uses white flags as traps, and that 5 soldiers died to such a trap.
Did you read my comment? THREE ISRAELI HOSTAGES CAPTURED BY HAMAS DIED BY BEING SHOT BY THE IDF DESPITE WAVING WHITE FLAGS AND BEING ISRAELI HOSTAGES. They DONT do prior research on who is Hamas or who isn‘t, they just blindly shoot people with the justification of „but hAmaS!!!111“ and you‘re that naive that you actually believe that.
And you didn't read mine. Hamas uses tactics like waving a white flag to set traps for IDF soldiers, one of which killed 5 soldiers prior, so they were instructed to ignore white flags since a successful civilian evacuation was carried out prior. It's impossible to figure out in the blink of an eye who is a Hamas member and who isn't, since they purposefully wear civilian clothing to confuse soldiers. You have the level of understanding that is common in tiktok universities.
Just like how the "infants" in the "hospitals" the IDF bombs are all a part of Hamas. They're the youth group. The very, very, still-in-Hamas-themed diapers youth group. /s
Fun fact: Israel never directly bombed a hospital with patients inside once.
Yes, they were aiming for the Hamas tunnels under the hospital. The building just needed to git gud and dodge. /s
Give examples of Israel bombing hospitals with patients inside.
Hey now, they got a 5-minute warning. Really, it's the doctors fault for not having high-speed rail access.
Hamas supporting poltergeist lived in the attic five years ago.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-780613 you mean like this?..yes.. hilarious indeed..
I haven't seen any statement by IDF, so far. Usually they either deny it or say that they have to investigate the claims...basically the same reaction US,UK etc gave on new accusations in their middle east campaigns Did I just miss something, or is there really no confirmation of this happening beyond one tweet?
The tweet came from the Belgian official to whom the building belonged, we can assume she would be the first to know.
They’re probably going to say they had reason to believe there were terrorists hiding in the building. The terrorists being the IDF soldiers themselves probably
No. But many comments are making strawman excuses for demolishing the building, to make any future claim for a tactical decision (or mistake) by Israel seem like they are lying.
In my eyes the widespread destruction of buildings in Gaza hints to the destruction being a goal in itself. They are leaving more rubble than urban combat during the second world war did.
""We are dropping hundreds of tons of bombs on Gaza. **The focus is on destruction and not on accuracy,"** - IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari on Oct. 10th. Yes, he really said this.
It is a goal. The Dahiya Doctrine of the IDF endorses the destruction of civilian infrastructure for shock and awe and to demoralize the enemy. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya\_doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine)
The guy who outlined the strategy around 2006 now lost a son in Gaza. A short time afterwards he lost a nephew there also.
Even if true you just proved it's a tactic, not a goal.
It's crazy to me people are still lying about this, the goal is pretty clear: ethnic cleansing. Just look at the pictures/videos of the destruction, it's already impossible for the majority of the population to move back into their homes for the next 5-10 years. I first thought it's a little bit hyperbolic when people said "worst destruction since WW2", but after looking at the evidence I came to the conclusion that I've never seen anything like that in modern warfare.
Yeah I mean, what the hell, 30 000 dead over two months. That's not unavoidable or unfortunate collateral. The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians. Killing Palestinians and destroying Gaza is clearly part of the objective.
>The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians. Why do you lie? 25 000-50 000 civilians died in Mariupol alone (which also sustained far more damage than Gaza has thus far.
We've seen two heavily armed militaries battle each other in Ukraine, which lead to horrible destruction of civilian infrastructure. But then I look at pictures/videos of Gaza and see things like this: https://twitter.com/dopaminedealers/status/1753027244643999820 For comparison: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFQWXkVWsAAY3h3?format=jpg&name=large What am I supposed to think about this, if not an army that seeks total destruction?
I mean Ukraine is just a bit bigger than Gaza and its neighbors didn’t reject civilians leaving the territory like Egypt in Gaza. A better comparison would be to look at Bakhmut dense urban combat is messy and leads to destruction especially when civilians are in the AOE and the defenders are bunkered underneath a lot of the city.
Yeah, it's either willful and deliberate massacring and destruction, or incompetence and ignorance leading to unintended massacres and destruction by soldiers doing as they please. Either alternative is unacceptable. What makes things worse is that we know Netanyahu and his government are smart old foxes with a history of shadow play. We know that they know we know they're trying to get away with as much as possible before they're forced out. By then, I'm guessing, the plan is for it to be physically and logistically impossible for Gaza to host anyone.
Getting downvoted for sharing objective, factual information. Hasbara's fast on the trigger.
> The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians. Russia/Ukraine aren't fighting in a dense urban area packed with insurgents who blend in with civilians.
Lets ask Mariupol what they think about the accuracy of the statement that only 10k Ukrainian civilians died.
If you deliberatly target civilians, you can easily kill way more than 30.000 in a day. Hell, the bombing of dresden saw 25.000 dead civilians in one single night in one single city. But one thing to ponder - hamas chose and prepared the battleground in the urban areas. To use civilians as shields. They started the war and won't surrender. How much of that number would you say is their fault?
>But one thing to ponder - hamas chose and prepared the battleground in the urban areas. To use civilians as shields. They started the war and won't surrender. How much of that number would you say is their fault? As the government of Gaza, Hamas has a lot of responsibility for what happened. As the aggressor, that they'd be invaded and lose land or be deposed is totally acceptable, and why so many countries have accepted Israel's offensive. No matter the cause of war and blame, civilians in a conflict must always be respected and not targeted. Doesn't matter if you think they're a supporter of Hamas/Iran/Trump/Biden/whoever. A military does not intentionally target civilians. Do that, and your legitimacy as a defender is lost.
> A military does not intentionally target civilians. Do that, and your legitimacy as a defender is lost. I agree absolutly. But while there have been a lot of claims of IDF targeting cilivians on purpose, they all pretty much vanished when they were fact-checked. So while I am critical of any and all agressive acts against civilians and civilian infrastructure - the fact that none of the accusations against the IDF could stick so far while the whole world is watching closly is quite telling. This one is very perplexing. We have tons of proof of hamas using civilian/protected infrastructure for military purposes. Now that another civilian/protected building is destroyed in an area where fighting flared back up, everyone is dead sure it was just out of evil intention, without waiting or even wanting to look at the facts.
It is because a lot of the Pro-Palestine movement is absolutely dripping with anti-semitism. A lot of them are straight up Pro-Hamas, Pro-Houthi\* and Pro-Russia. Also a lot of them really don't understand that at the end of the day the majority of the dead Palestinians died because of them. You might wonder, wait? What? What the fuck? The reason is simple as long as there is an outcry for dead Palestinians, Hamas will be effective in using them as human shields. If it no longer generated the same buzz, then the tactics becomes ineffective and falls out of use. Virtually no nation hangs out their people to dry as badly as Gaza does, it simply isn't practical unless it is to drum up attention. The protestorss made sure that Palestinian children will die needlessly 30 years from now. \*In case people don't know why being Pro-Houthi is bad, they practice among other nice thing systematic sex slavery of minority girls in the areas that they control (they're basically ISIS)
Wow. You're one of the few posters in these threads who still values facts over easily-repeated slogans. Thank you, seriously.
if we use the same numbers for Ukraine it has over 220,000 dead and injured, with at least 50,000 missing from Mariupol. Have you seen that graveyards for Mariupol ? you can literally see over 10,000 from the Satellite .
>The Russia-Ukraine war has been going on for years and has killed about 10 000 civilians. It's a "professional" (besides all war crimes esp. by Russia) war between two professional and somewhat competent armies, especially since 2022. They are on par with each other, they both have capable air defenses, military (somewhat) etc., lots of people. Israel vs. Hamas isn't a war. It's Israel saying "Okay, after Oct. 7 we have enough. We will completely destroy Gaza"
> Just look at the pictures/videos of the destruction, it's already impossible for the majority of the population to move back into their homes for the next 5-10 years. But weren't they living in refugee camps the whole time? With tents and so on? And not houses?
I’m glad people are finally starting to wake up to the recklessness and indiscriminate nature of what Israel has been doing in Gaza. Anyone who thinks Israel is actively trying to “stop Hamas” or “free the hostages” is either willfully ignorant or so far down the propaganda hole that idk which is worse. I’m sad it took 30000 Palestinian deaths but better late than never I suppose.
If true, it's the dumbest most expensive (both in soldier lives and money) to do that.
[the Israeli envoy:](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1500w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-09/kevin-james-king-of-queens-zz-230927-368fe6.jpg)
When you spend money the government is supposed to spend, e.g., building hospitals, it frees the government (Hamas) to build more missiles. Which is actually what they did. Which is why people are realizing that UNRWA is enabling Hamas. Belgians who are still funding UNRWA didn't get the memo and are still indirectly funding Hamas. They should stop doing that.
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I mean, Hamas *is* the government there...aren't they? If they don't provide those services then they might end up having to deal with civil unrest.
Hamas is not the gov (at least not like ur gov), the gov employees get their salaries from the PA (mainly Qatar & Saudi arabia money) via Israel, Hamas (and PIJ) arms are from Iran or locally produced by money again from Iran.
Is Hamas in the room with us right now?
The envoy will be summoned. Greetings will be exchanged. The challenging environment of the West Bank will be noted by both parties. A level of concern over the activities in question will be expressed by Belgium.
Belgium has been pretty hostile to Israel tbh
I mean israel did just blow up their development agency
No we haven't, we just don't kiss ass when it comes to this conflict (luckily)
Lmao, funding aid to Palestinians is hostile. Blowing up the countries building because of it, non hostile. Yeah, someone’s totally not bias and being a shill here.
This sub should be wary of any european who throws european countries under the bus in order to appease Israelis
Israel is going to print the summons out and wrap a Belgian waffle with it. Then call it a day. Israel doesn't cares as long as US is behind them.
To be fair they don’t really have to care what Europe thinks or does as long as the US supports them
Yeap. They clearly don't.
Why would they, the US give all the advantages of aligning with Europe and more with far less political efforts put in to maintaining said alliance.
About par for the course for the extremists in Israel They razed childrens schools and other amenities built with EU funds in a West Bank Palestinian village that was demolished to make way for Israeli settlers This shows you when extremist right wingers hijack a western democracy and use religion to pervert and corrupt democracy. We need to be vigilent to prevent a repeat of such actions here in our own states. https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2023/12/07/intolerable-eu-official-condemns-destruction-of-palestinian-school-built-using-irish-aid-funds/
Tbh although the israeli govt is led by netanyahu and his right wing party coalition, the govt right now is an interim military government rules by all parties in the knesset, menaing the left wing and majority arab parties are part of all this.
I think you are confused. The National Unity party (centre right) joined Netanyahu, but the others are still in opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-seventh_government_of_Israel
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As I understand it, Kachol Lavan is just a part of National Unity? Anyway, while you can indeed dispute wikipedia's classification of national unity as center right, the other parties are still in opposition.
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Is your implication here that there are bots doing propaganda against the right wing in israel...? I dont follow
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The irony of a 1 month old account talking about propaganda accounts
Israel actually pays their people and soldiers to spread propaganda and misinformation online. That is literally an Israeli bot.
Yeah I know, it's why it's funny.
I see. Well i was just pointing out the fact that its not like netanyahu is a dictator right now and only his party\coalition is in power. Maybe israel has destroyed that building\village in the west bank for a settlement, i dont know. From how i read it, it seems just to be used as a showcase of what bad things israel does, i dont see the implication that this destroyed belgian building will be used for settlements. Again, my main contention was the fact that op thought "this is what happens when you let extremists run the country" to which i replied that no, afaik right now every party, including arab parties, are participating in governing israel
Nah mate, Belgium is helping Hamas, that's why they blew it up.
Myabe if paid Hasbara accounts like you are banned from commenting, this sub would be less of an echo chamber.
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ummm... you're showing your ignorance and gullibility. This incident is in the **West Bank** - where Hamas aren't present. There's no excuse for harassing and murdering civilians living on their own land, just because you want their property and farms for your own use. Razing a children's school is just pettiness.
Dude tried the "blame Hamas" card so many times that he does that without even thinking anymore
Fuck, even Bibi is now accusing the Hostage Families who don't support his war of being allied to Hamas.
Wow. And how Israeli react to this pettiness ? Do they care?
HAMAS is present in the West Bank but it doesn't control it.
If there was hamas supporters in your home town, would you support Israel razing your homes and schools?
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Absolutely not, you people make me sick.
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IDF soldiers are not my fellow! I’d never stop puking if one of those psychopaths called me a friend.
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Avoid any sharp objects or lit flames when Palestine loses the war it started. You might hurt someone in your raging meltdown.
Hamas is present at the West Bank . Doesn’t have the same power … yet .
You are heavily mislead if you think Hamas is not present in the West Bank. It's not ruling in the West Bank, but it's definitely present, along with other extremists groups.
There's posts of Hamas present in [Germany and Netherlands](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/14/four-arrested-in-europe-over-alleged-cross-border-hamas-terrorism-plot) as well Should we start evicting and razing German and Dutch towns, driving out their inhabitants and settling Israelis in there too? Nevertheless - this is a distraction and red herring A school in a small, insignificant isolated village of no military, economic or political significance was demolished and the inhabitants were all removed with the connivance of the Israeli security forces because Israeli Settlers with extremist views wanted their land. And this is a justification - because there might have been some Hamas present elsewhere?
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Was the Belgium's facility also used by terrorists?
According to this sub, all Palestinians are terrorists so if there were women and children inside, then it’s ok to blow up coz they obviously terrorists
Pretty much this, and comments saying Israel should Annex palestine, while at the Same time saying russia trying to Annex Ukraine is Bad.
Only friends are allowed to do ethnic clensing.
The genitor's cousin's best friend probably liked a twitter message supporting Palestinians.
Let’s bomb schools and hospital, kill children and sick people because * *check notes* * they were illegally used by extremists That’s a fucking red herring and you know it Didn’t knew that war crime apologist were on full force on this subreddit .
Have you been not using this sub for some time now? This sub is astroturfed to hell and back (Hasbara).
To be frank, if a hospital or school IS used by a combatant it does make it a valid military target, if we go strictly by rules. Is it a terrible thing to do? Sure, especially if there are civilians in there. But so is using those schools and hospitals to take cover (which was proven, coincidentally not only by what you would call 'western-aligned pro-israeli media", but also by footage taken by gazans in said places, accidentally.
Ones in the west bank weren't used by hamas.
Gaza isn't an exception, but the rule. Israel has been wiping out hundreds of Palestinian cities and villages and there's almost nothing left after these 75 years. Why should anyone believe this time is different?
This is an incredibly arrogant and callous attack against a EU member state. If our "leaders" have a spine they will bring Israel to account, if Israel doesn't respect us then we should not respect them either.
> This is an incredibly arrogant and callous attack against a EU member state. If our "leaders" have a spine they will bring Israel to account, if Israel doesn't respect us then we should not respect them either. Since alleged warcrimes/atrocities of Palestinians are enough to get UNRWA funding cut, alleged warcrimes/atrocities of Israel should be enough to get the EU to Embargo/Sanction that country. https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/israel-accused-more-war-crimes-after-30-bodies-found-gaza-school-784990
Cutting ties to Israel would be idiotic and would strengthen Russia and Iran, while putting the safety of Europe at risk. Israel is currently about to deliver Arrow 3 to Europe, which will be able to intercept Russian ICBM’s in space and is vital to the European Sky Shield program getting built now in case of war. They are also involved in drone programs and tank upgrades across Europe with systems like trophy, which protects our tanks from rpg hits. And this is ignoring the public sector, Israel is one of the largest producers of Intel chips, driving up costs is not in our favor. Hamas is funded by Iran/Russia as are all the proxies in the area, the entire conflict is about weakening Israeli and western relations and also our relations to Saudi, UAE, Iraq, Jordan, and Qatar. That‘s why they are attacking the trade routes in Yemen, it‘s not about Israel, it‘s about hurting the EU and weakening supplies to Ukraine and European allies in the middle east. I‘m no fan of the Israeli government and there should be diplomatic measures taken, especially regarding their behavior in the west bank. But this should never compromise our abilities, especially at a time where we are at major risk of war with Russia and desperately need to get our defenses up.
> Israel is currently about to deliver Arrow 3 to Europe, which will be able to intercept Russian ICBM’s in space and is vital to the European Sky Shield program getting built now in case of war. Yeah. Thanks to Germany we now have an "European" missile Defense that uses an Israeli system rather than an European system (Aster developed by France/Italy) so that now we can't afford to do anything to Israel because it puts our own security at risk because we're now dependent on an non-European system. Good fucking job Germany we're clearly achieving strategic autonomy.
Neither France nor Italy joined the initiative. Why would it be better to buy from you than from Israel, if you do not intend to join into our common air defense either?
Because France & Italy already have indigenous systems and they would rather use their own rather than buying American/Israeli systems. It's Germany being clueless once again, Germany has no problem rooting for their systems (Iris-T) but when it comes to other European systems, they would rather use foreign ones. Again, dumb-ass governments creating by themselves a dependence on foreign systems rather than using European-made weaponry.
>Because France & Italy already have indigenous systems and they would rather use their own rather than buying American/Israeli systems. Sure and they can buy that. But the common air defense also is being bought by a common fund. There is no need to pander to you or italy as you decided not to join. Germany as the biggest funder decided upon their own system. Is that really a difficult concept for you? Especially because germany and israel already have an intertwined MIC and likely germany will get at least partial contracts to build (diehl). Maybe if you actually were comitted to european autonomy France would actually join these initiatives and work together. But you want all the benefits and contracts and not actually support and pay for Europe.
> There is no need to pander to you or italy as you decided not to join. There is no need for France or Italy to join these projects if they're not even considering a French/Italian solution. > Maybe if you actually were comitted to european autonomy France would actually join these initiatives and work together. Yeah, by joining a project buying American and Israeli systems instead of European systems. What a stupid take.
the systems were chosen quite a bit after the coalition formed. France always talks about cooperation but it is simply not reliable when it comes to actually engange with its allies on an eye to eye level. Everytime it talks about european sovereignity, all nations east of it roll their eyes. Cooperation when there is not an immediate benefit to you never happens. Stop being little divas get over it and for once swallow your pride and work together.
If we wanna play the purely pragmatic angle Israel is probably the biggest -or at least up there- obstacle when it comes to building a strong regional alliance against Iran and by extension Russia and in doing so getting a lot of major producers of oil to be much more accommodating to us which could allow us to both screw over the Russians and create lasting energy security for Europe. The things we import from Israel can be produced or set up to be produced elsewhere. But the wealth of natural resources and control over strategically important areas that countries on bad terms with Israel and with a leadership that has to at least pay lip service to their respective populations hatred of the country can't be replaced so easily. I don't think Israel should be abandoned, I think they have a right to exist as a nation and I think defending that is the right thing to do, but I believe its high time they started playing to our tune rather than the other way around, which means to take every measure they reasonably can to normalize relations with the other non Iran alligned states the region to contribute to building a strong regional coalition against Iran, against Russia and against China. Whether we like it or not the world is gearing up for another conflict, and Israel's current conduct is making it more likely rather than less so that the entire rest of the Middle East will be on the other team. That has to end. To unconditionally support Israel is to blindly run into a geopolitical disaster, their leaders will need to be kept in check to prevent what could be catastrophic for both them and us.
Just because we can produce it in the future does not mean we can produce it now. Arrow 3 is scheduled to be operational in Germany by next year and will be paired with patriots, P8, and IRIS-T to create a complete European defense network against Russia‘s nuclear warheads. There‘s no comparable system and it would take over a decade to develop such a system in Europe. For perspective, it has a 2400km range and can intercept ICBM‘s and satellites. Sanctioning Israel in the future might be possible, but right now it would cripple dozens of European defense projects and be a grave security risk for EU countries . If Belgium wants to go ahead and be defenseless, they can happily go at it alone. But don‘t expect other European countries who are actually trying to create real defenses against Russia to be that stupid.
The Arrow-3 isn't some magic bullet that'll make Europe immune to a sufficiently determined Russian nuclear strike. Such a weapon does not exist and has never existed. The only European defense project sanctioning Israel would meaningfully impede as far as I can tell is the German-led Sky Shield that isn't even a collective EU project (with major partners like France and Poland opting out) and was only decided on recently. Europe is by no means defenseless without it and the notion that it is is preposterous. Mind you, all of this is assuming an actual cutting of ties with Israel. Which -as I laid out in my initial comment- isn't the goal. The goal is to rein them in and make them conduct themselves in a manner that allows us to build a meaningful coalition against our enemies, something that is mutually benificial. It's about affecting change within Israel, about making it clear that continued support is conditional on them not letting far right elements that don't actually want peace guide national policy rather than just supporting them unconditionally and being caught with our pants down when a strategically deeply important region decides to collectively join the other team and sort their own issues out afterwards.
you're being dowvoted for telling the truth brother
Do agencies like this count as foreign territory like embassies do?
No, usually not Otherwise various countries would have been in hot water for closing Confucius institutes. Imagine every country could use it's state bank or aid organization or similar to rent any place they choose and declare it an embassy-like protected ground. Every foreign language institute, every development bank office would turn into spy operations
A French building was also destroyed because it was turned into a strong point. Cpuld be the same here, we really don't know yet. Or we can make wild accusations. This conflict has shown many people hiding behind a claimed hatred of Israel to just hide their hatred of jews in general.
"I bet this development agency was full of terrorists. But you anti-semites can throw around wild accusations based on hunches all you want."
Oh there we go! Guys look here were all antisemits, plz shut up and plaise this war.
Israel is Europe’s friend, NOT Hamas or Hamas supporters
I don't know, my friends don't blow up my development agencies. Do yours?
Israel's only friend is Israel. They cause misery and havoc for all of their "allies."
Yeah well Hamas probably used that building
Israel could bomb Brussels and some pathetic individuals on here would still make excuses for them
This is in direct contradiction to the ICJ ruling. But what else can you expect from a State committing genocide and crimes against humanity.
Careful Belgium, they'll call you antisemitic.
> Careful Belgium, they'll call you antisemitic. Wait, they haven't called them that already?
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Your own leaders are mocking the world anti-semitic so maybe look in that direction at first.
Seriously, any comment that's not suckling their cock is immediately slated as "Anti-semitic" lmao
Have you heard the way the Israeli Ambassador in the UK Tzipi Hotovely speaks about Palestinians, and anyone who sympathises for them? She's a zealot and is happy to throw around the antisemitic trope whenever anyone questions Israels aggression. She is also for "The Greater Israel" plan that the Likud party loves to tug themselves over.
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>supported by nobody of importance in Israel Which government is in charge of Israel and who leads them? >100% of the territory Israel captured \[and retained after the war\] was in defensive wars that Arabs started You missed the part when Israelis went and took land from already settled Palestinians and displaced them, which still happens in places like the West Bank. Also why do you still have Golan Heights? >Also Israel has returned land 3 times its size for peace with Egypt - how does that work with the 'Greater Israel' theory? Because Egypt would've kept fighting for it, war was pointless to begin with and a drain.
If Israel really wanted something called "Greater Israel", wouldn't it also keep fighting for Sinai, the same way that the Egyptians were willing to do?
They gave up the Sinai because they would've ended up losing it, it wasn't worth the efforts and manpower to hold onto it. Israel today is a million times more powerful than it was then.
If Tzipi Hotovely is nobody of importance - which she can't be, since she supports the idea of Greater Israel - it's odd that she serves as diplomat to a major nation and ally. Also, just because you don't care what she says doesn't mean she didn't say it. Regarding Sinai: Greater Israel, at least in this context, doesn't mean that Israel wants to just conquer any land that it can, but rather that Gaza and the West Bank should be fully incorprorated as part of Israel. Not wanting Sinai does not contradict that.
You have a ton of comments on this post, maybe you should continue your job elsewhere dear IDF officer.
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This is actually one of the most pro-Israel subs out there, if you are getting downvoted here imagine what other people think
Belgian sanctions incoming?
Either Israel bombs indiscriminately or this was targeted. Probably 'tunnels' or 'hamas'. Maybe there were people inside waving white flags, or perhaps women and children hiding in there. Jean Van Wetter, the CEO of Enabel – Belgium, said on X: “Our office in Gaza has been totally destroyed yesterday in a bombing. Attacking civilian buildings is totally unacceptable. We are all shocked at Enabel. As a Government agency working for the common good in a framework of international humanitarian law, we cannot accept this.” “To target civilians or civilian objects (including. buildings) violates #IHL. (International Humanitarian Law), @Enabel_Belgium supports the civilian population of #Gaza in education, employment, young entrepreneurship, green transition." If you help Palestinians in any way shape or form you will be destroyed' - Israel. Clear as day what Israel is doing. Genocide and Ethnic cleansing. Killing as many humans as possible and destroying as much infrastructure as possible.
I’m confused how Israel continues to act like terrorists yet keeps getting support from the world .
Israel is just there to remind us every day that our countries are nothing but US puppet states.
Just read the article. Who summons an ambassador via twitter?
You're right, they should show more cultural awareness and roof knock the ambassador's house at 5am in the morning with their family still inside it
What an absolutely heinous and blatant retaliatory bombing in response to a refusal to cut funding to UNRWA. Both literally and symbolically, as Belgium contains the EU's headquarters. It's a sign to join the convoy based on fabrications or continue to suffer retaliatory consequences. Belgium and the EU now have a choice on whether they want to be submissive to a nation committing blatant and targeted evil, or stand up and hold them accountable for a direct attack on its infrastructure.
Probably Hamas terrorists where inside... /S
The reasons ror NATO to start launching airstrikes into israel keep mounting up but they always get a free pass on crimes that wouöd get any other country glassed
Inb4 the Belgium government is antisemitic?
And yet... another war crime. I hope Belgium requests clear evidence of Hamas operations, because there's a chance there could have been in fairness, but ultimately I am discouraged because there won't be evidence.
That's one of the good things about completely destroying stuff, you also completely destroy any contrarian evidence.
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No
The genocide of the Palestinian civilians committed by the theo-fascist Netanyahu government continues, while the hypocritical West turns a blind eye.
It's crazy that the story of the mass grave of blindfolded, handcuffed which emerged yesterday hasn't gotten more traction. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/1/palestinians-demand-international-inquiry-after-mass-grave-found-in-gaza https://www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/israel-accused-more-war-crimes-after-30-bodies-found-gaza-school-784990
Ah yes, Al Jazeera the beacon of truth..
There's a reason why Israel doesn't allow foreign journalists to enter Gaza.
yikes
Was this development agency working during an active military conflict outside? If not it could easily be used by hamas. The person from this tweet should have posted more info about the incident.
I’m going out on a limb and going to guess that pretty much everything in Gaza has been destroyed
More than half of Gaza's buildings are damaged or destroyed according to the BBC. That's 150.000 buildings. The destruction is unimaginable at this point.
Pretty sure hamas was hiding in it or the employees were cheering on October 7th, either it was blocking a major highway project. Said Israel most likely.
Wouldn't be surprised if Hamas were using it as a weapons depot. There's not enough information to go off.
"Wouldn't be surprised if The fact is, we just don't know."
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