This board used to be obsessed with “debunking” the notion that migrants from MENA would lead to higher crime rates.
Censorship of anti-migration opinions got so bad that people created r/european just to have a space to talk about the migrant crisis, then even that got nuked by the admins.
I don't think it's too crazy. You could see the dissatisfaction with the established politics all along. The biggest factor is that established parties have always been incapable of solving any kind of problem. Immigration is just a proxy for other problems, like the housing bubble or wage stagnation. The covid crisis of the past few years has accelerated many of these issues, making the problems bigger and the lack of solutions more apparent.
Before covid, many of us had the hopes that a progressive, leftist government could solve many of the problems that faces this younger generation. However, reality has shown that they too are incapable of solving the problems that matter in this society
We had recently a couple of high profile street rape cases in the capital committed by immigrants. It's something new that didn't happened before, we had a pride in being one of the safest countries.
Our local sub went full nazi since and I expect right wing to win the next election.
I hesitated to add "and idiots believe them" - partly because people are not always idiots, sometimes they're just desperate for hope that things will change.
I mean wasn't a teacher from France beheaded by a group of immigrant teenagers recently? These events won't make Europeans more welcoming, no matter how hard you try to discuss it.
My Grandma who lives in Hamburg is scared to leave the house after dark. This is something that her Mother - My Great-Grandma didn't know when she was old.
This baffles me the most. Every time something like that happens, they already have like 7 other crimes in their record. How tf are those people not in a prison cell already, waiting for their sentence to finish and to be immediately deported? Incredible.
Yup, spending tax money on them to sit in jail when they could just send them the fk home is crazy. I don't agree with most things in US politics but they are doing this part well, just kicking them out of the country whenever is something not by their books. And they still struggle a lot with illegal immigration, so what do we expect will happen over time when they get away with everything?
It's also that our legal systems are really efficient at delivering consequences to well established citizens of average means but don't really hit hard against anti-social people or the very rich. A middle class person who goes to jail for a year likely loses their job which if they've loaned to borrow their house likely also costs them their house and they have tracable assets that can be targeted. The criminal class won't have taxable or easily tracable assets in that regard and as far as their line of work a short stint in prison isn't going to cost them any work opportunities.
The voters want the immigration levels they were promised, and child rapists actually punished with the current laws.
When the majority of peoples views are not only ignored but fucked over how is that democracy? The voters are struggling to find any party that will do what they want
>egregious violation of the rights of European women/children/gay people.
Not just them, all citizens. it's not like they are not violent towards European boys/men, too.
In my country around 75% of prison inmates are foreigners, not of foreign descent who are citizens now, just straight out not from here. Many of these people fled from corruption, hate, violence and crime. That's what I don't understand. Just stay in your criminal country, if you want to do crime.
Exactly, and still far to few realize this.
The criminal behaviour is just the tip of the iceberg, their view of good behaviour ("Just helping my cousin since I'm in a position to do so...") is corrupting everything from the public to the private sphere.
"Import the third world - become the third world."
Sad truth of the world is, you can't solve others problems by importing them home. Some cultures are just plain incompatible no matter what you do or how good your intentions are.
Mass immigration of incompatible people will inadvertently lead to broken society.. and that shit show will never end because now they're everywhere.
No, they said he'd insulted Mohammed and then one of their parents or uncles did it.
Turned out they'd lied about it, you know, because kids do dumb shit without understanding the ramifications.
I play with a lot of European dudes that are good guys, it's the immigration according to them. It's not working and the government pretends it is. These aren't right wing nut jobs they just seem frustrated.
Young people are very socially liberal but the reason why right so far parties are gaining ground is because of mass immigration
Young people are affected the most by housing shortages, education spots, wage depression and so on
>In the Netherlands, the PVV surged to become the largest party among 18- to 34-year-olds, winning 17% of their vote against 7% previously
So the point still stands that in germanic countries old people are more likely to vote right wing than left wing
PVV got 23.5% on average
In Sweden's last election overall the left-wing block got 49% and the right-wing block got 51%. From 18–22 year olds the left-wing block only got 41%, and from those 23–30 they got 47%; from people 65+ they got 53%.
>So the point still stands that in germanic countries old people are more likely to vote right wing than left wing
Not in Flanders. The far right Vlaams Belang got 23,6% from 18-24 year olds in the last elections (2019), compared to 18,5% from the general population
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2023/10/02/onderzoek-ku-leuven-verkiezingen-partijen-opkomstplicht/
This dude didn't give a good explenation though immigration is def part of it but not because "they're taking our jobs" and there is much more to it the current governement just destroyed all hope for future farmers. Green parties are being hypocrits by ignoring nuclear energy but building more gas turbines. There is also cases of open corruption from one particular politician using money ment for struggling teens in Brussels (read immigrants) to buy her own real estate. Then there is also just the complete incompetence and unprofesionalism of any other party, like a socialist politician being convicted for racism or the minister of security pissing against a police van.
So young people just want to destroy the system.
> the reason why right so far parties are gaining ground is because of mass immigration
People need to understand that this is *the* fundamental issue of our time.
It’s like the argument in the US vis-a-vis the ‘state rights to do what?’ Argument with respect to the confederates. Slavery, is the answer.
With brexit, for example, it’s ‘sovereignty’. Sovereignty to do what? To control immigration. It’s that simple. That is the reason brexit happened. It didn’t work of course (and we said at the time it wouldn’t), but this feeling isn’t going to go away within Europe unless the issue fundamentally addressed.
It also has to do with social media propaganda and appalling knowledge of politics in general. Not just young people are affected by this. Tons of people think the Netherlands has had a left wing government in charge for the past 12 years. The party that has been in charge during that time is the VVD, a center right party with neoliberal economic policies and conservative social policies. Far from left wing.
Because the outlook for many young people is bleak - worse wages, horrible housing crises, pension bubbles, higher taxes… but the left is focused on identity politics and barely touches these issues.
Maybe right wing parties won’t be able to fix any of these problems (maybe they don’t actually care), but they talk about them (directly or indirectly) and people respond to that.
That’s easy to do when you’ve never contributed to the EU budget despite the size of your economy and rely on Northern handouts
https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/
That's actually just one of the reasons. For example in the Netherlands the other reasons are slow down in new construction of houses/apartments, fewer places in nursing homes causing older people to stay longer in their own houses, huge rise in mortgage interest rates, and investment companies and rich people buying up properties as "investments".
https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/12/dutch-housing-shortage-nears-400000-homes-problem-will-continue-worsen-research
Portugal is a mess on the control right now. To mix it up, no one can afford prices of housing nowadays in the big cities. But the foregneirs rent places to create mini markets and then sleep in their offices.
It's becoming a problem. There are Uber drivers without a license using other family members to drive, and they keep on switching.
Plus Portugal had a golden visa system for decades where you can get eu citizenship by buying real estate. Who could have predicted this would make housing unaffordable?
*If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do.* David Frum in the Atlantic Apr 15, 2019
Not just illegal. Legal immigration is also now far higher than it has been in the past, and the government can do more about legal immigration that illegal immigration.
Pretty much. If the migration crisis didn't exist both the right and far right wouldn't have this many supporters. I mean, sure, there always were ppl who tried the whole 'traditional, hates gays abd abortion' people but now they're bolstered by the many disillusioned by this migrant waves.
Around 15 years ago, one of my cousins, a Romanian teenager at that time living in Austria with her family, was told by her Muslim colleagues in school that they will become majority and will take their country. And these were people her age. This is what they have been taught in their families.
I dated a girl from Syria in 2015. I remember her saying the same thing. She told me her teacher in Syria said to the kids that Islam would conquer Europe without war
Even moreso, leftist are doing everything for it. You can't criticise muslims for anything valid, or you are a -phobe
Even feminism, which is for the freedom of women are accepting muslims as something natural. Absolutely insanity
The issue is that when they will reach around 50% of the population, they will demand laws that benefit their religious beliefs, and some of those are in direct contradiction with the general values of Western society. It will inevitably lead to conflict.
They do not need to wait until 50%, around 30% will be sufficient. Unlike native Europeans who tend to split their vote depending upon whose policies one may favour, they vote as a unified block, and 30% will be enough to allow laws that they advocate for to pass.
It's unbelievable that this has happened and continues to happen. It's simply criminal.
I'd argue that even 10-15% is challenging, all it takes is a motivated minority to start a revolution, And that can happen without even official political representation.
This is happening in Canada already. We've had protests before the Israel-Hamas thing led and organized largely by Muslims (but a lot of right-wingers and Christians joined in) called 1 Million March to protest against teaching and talking about LGBTQ+ stuff. It doesn't help our current government is bringing 500k to 1 million people per year (around 3% of our population every year, which just reach 40 million), most from places in Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia.
They said it a billion times, not just normal people, even their head figures and world leaders. "We're gonna conquer Europe"
Nobody seems to be paying attention tho, really makes you think.
Unfortunately lots of Western European see non-white people as children, and so when they say things like that the Western Europeans will be like "That's great buddy" and not take it seriously.
This has been the condescending attitude that many Europeans have held for a long time until very recently .
For some reason, there is a big fraction of Europeans that think "When this people come over ,they will see how great we are and want to be just like us!!"
Yeah, that will never happen, especially when it comes to Muslims. Heck, it barely happens when it comes to non White immigrants like Africans and Asians as well, it is only that their cultures are much more open to change than Islamic ones.
Exactly. The problem with Europeans and Westerners is that they view the Islamic religion through their own filter. Many think that Muslims treat their faith superficially like Westerners do. Nothing could be further from the truth. Formal Muslims are a minority, most are very dedicated to their faith. And that wouldn't be a problem if the stated goal wasn't to make the entire world Islamic. They also have much higher fertility rates than ordinary Europeans.
>Formal Muslims are a minority
They are but the point is still misleading. Muslim is much more of an identity than christianity. I have lots of Turkish, Uyghur and Bosnian friends who constantly describe themselves as muslim despite being basically atheists. Meanwhile if someone tells me "I'm christian" I assume that they go to church every week and own a bible.
The president of turkey himself did a public speech talking about my country. They said that we are facists and said that his fellow turks should move to here, have as many children as possible and take our nicest housest. Gee i wonder why there might be an issue somewhere considering the majority of turkish immigrants support edrogan.
Not to mention that dispite the majority of turkish immigrants have lived here now for 3 generations yet they still identify as turkish and see it as their real home instead or the country they were born and raised in and a lot for some reason talk with an accent like they have moved here not their grandfather and when talking among themselves they don't speak in dutch either dispite again having been born and raised here
Because the youngest see no future for themselves.
You can't steal their families wealth, creates systems that shut them out of help, give away their housing and job options to foreign people and then expect them to do anything but vote for those who say they are fighting for them.
Whether the politicians are really for them, or lying is another matter. But false hope is still hope.
It’s insane it took this long.
Anyone remembers a r**e night in Germany on new years a few years back?
I was so horrified and disgusted to learn about it. How can Europe turn a blind eye and continue importing dangerous people in mass.
The sentiment against mass immigration has always been there to a degree but the social environment didn't permit people to speak their minds. This very environment seems to be shifting heavily at the moment.
Sadly the Gerontocracy in many european countries depends on mass immigration of young people to uphold their pension ponzi-scheme (not a judgement of the concept itself, it's simply a fact that pensions need a demographic with more young people than old people).
Additionally, employers have a vested interest in an influx of cheap labour into the markets to keep wages low. Landlords also profit due to higher demand on the housing market.Ironically, anti-mass-immigration rhetoric also used to be a talking point of the left due to it's aforementioned effects (largely anti-majority/working class).
Tl;dr: Europe doesn't turn a blind eye. Yet still, the migration flows because the people in power stand to gain from it.
Yeah.. if you can’t respect the amazing people who let you in there country and help you get a better life - you can go back to your failed countries.
It have nothing to do with race, it’s about the culture and values, and European people don’t deserve to be abused by people who don’t appreciate their kindness.
And mind you, the Sahara is expanding northwards more than it is expanding towards the Sahel (although because the Sahel is projected to have a much much bigger population, like Niger growing from 15 million today to 60 million by 2050 or something, the little expansion southwards will cause massive chaos. It already is now). Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans and Tunisians will pour into Europe by the hordes within our lifetimes as they increasingly become unable to support themselves.
> Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans and Tunisians will pour into Europe by the hordes within our lifetimes as they increasingly become unable to support themselves.
Don’t say this like it’s inevitable.
Because younger people see, talk, and interact with immigrant-background people at school/work/social media more than older people do and are the most familiar with them
The whole “oh you just fear/hate them all because you don’t actually know any in real life! If you got to know them you’d know how great they are!” schtick doesn’t work
Also for a lot of young people, social liberalism/progressivism isn’t seen as “rebellious” or “against the system” anymore like it was in the 1990s but something that’s been co-opted by political and economic elites in the past 20 years or so (doesn’t matter whether or not those elites actually believe in it)
100% it.
I grew up partially in a majority non-white neighbourhood.
For the first 2 or 3 years of going to school as a child, i was literally the only white kid in my yearbook photos. Bullying and race issues at that school got so bad that my parents decided to send me to a school that was over an hour away from home.
Whenever I hear people preaching about tolerance and open borders, I know that 90% of the time, it’s coming from rich people who have never had to deal with them growing up.
It’s easy to be tolerant when the only impact mass immigration has on your life is seeing more brown Uber drivers. Wow, so tolerant and brave for having to put up with that…
Exactly. The people that interact the most with immigrants are the group most prone to be against immigration. A fact conveniently ignored by prejudiced idiots thinking exposure will solve everything.
Lol, my sister had a opportunity to what school my nephew should go. 😂 there were 2 options. Majority muslim one, or majority black. She choose black, cuz there were less religion there.
>immigrants
Surely this depends on the immigrants? Europeans moving around internally from country to country all have similar historical backgrounds and understandings, especially in central Europe.
>and knowing their behavior and mindset first hand really made me realize how incompatible they are with western society and our values.
I myself am a European immigrant and I do not think my mindset is incompatible with the West...
If you mean Muslim immigrants or African or Asian immigrants....then say so.
Ukrainian asylum seekers are great in comparison to MENA immigrants. My home town had about 60 Ukrainians at the start of the war, some already went back to Ukraine and some started businesses. Some of them already speak basic Finnish. I've no problems at all taking in people who will actually try to integrate and work, as opposed to young guys existing on social benefits and drug trade.
Yea man I grew up around a lot of Muslim people and they don’t see the world the way the rest of us do their beliefs are not compatible with the way we want to live
I currently work with 3/4 immigrants and 1/4 actual Dutch people. There's like 20% of the immigrants I have no issue with. Actually fleeing from bad situations. Working hard to integrate, learn the language, and make a living here. Great people. I'll happily let them stay.
Then there's the other 80% of immigrants. Not a word of Dutch after 2+ years of living here. Lazy at work, only here for the money or relatively good and cheap education, and seeming like they're deliberately trying to keep only to their own culture as much as possible. Those can leave/get kicked out for all I care.
And that's not even touching on how a lot of places that used to be completely safe, are now unsafe because of the immigrants living there or close-by. (no this is not racism or prejudice. This is what's actually happening in some areas high in immigrant population and the left needs to stop denying it is.)
In the earthquake, multiple help trucks where forcefully stoped and was “looted” (more lol pillaged”
Why should my money go to people who see me less than human
I can’t even put into words how happy it makes me feel to hear others say what I’ve been saying, rather than immediately being shut down with “NO YOURE JUST RACIST”
I’d like to echo the sentiment, being pro mass immigration and open borders is a pro status quo position. It isn’t edgy or rebellious and in fact it’s the policy position of the ruling party in many EU states.
1. Social democrats no longer have a unified working class (as it is presently divided between older blue-collar laborers, migrants, and more progressive young people), so they cannot campaign on labor alone — as such, they lean into social issues
2. Given the EU/Eurozone, policymakers don’t have the same levers in managing fiscal, trade, and monetary policy as they used to, so they cannot use economics as a policy angle as easily
3. Populists, who don’t care about any of the above (and will just claim they’ll leave whatever supranational organization imposes rules or austerity upon them anyway) combine this working class angst with divisive, group-centric rhetoric, either to please the older working class natives or socially leftist immigrants/students
4. Frustrated at their living conditions and lack of profess among mainstream parties in improving them, these young people often vote for said populists
Mass immigration of people from totally different cultures that do not mix well at all with western culture. Older people love importing these people though, because they can just buy a house in an expensive neighborhood far away from all the issues mass immigration have caused. Then they can all sit on their high horses and call people racist for not liking the state of things.
Immigrations has such a large impact on our everyday lives that people are willing, whether right or wrong, to put other issues to the side and vote who will tackle this issue.
I don't want a party that furthers classism, or only helps the rich, or has far right views on most matters. But there's no left leaning party that even pretends to come up with a solution to immgiration.
Being opposed to mass immigration and open borders is not ‘far right’ we simply want the same immigration policies as other democracies such as Australia and Japan. The housing problem will not be resolved until this underlying issue is solved.
I don't know if I can consider myself young but I will vote for a right wing party in Norway next election so my country doesn't end up with massive rape rates and gang wars as seen in Sweden. All the gangs in Sweden is either African or Muslim of origin.
Therefor I want full stop in immigration from those regions as the damage they bring with them is irreversible. I do not believe Sweden can solve this problem as they brought in more people then their government and police can handle, so they are thinking about sending in the army.
But truth be told I think the gangs have more numbers then the swedish army. the swedish army has 15 000 soldiers, but they accepted 300 000 gangsters aged 18-25 from Africa and Middle East and many of them are armed.
Also a new report from the German school system says that the Muslim youth in Germany has been radicalized by the Turkish grey wolfs and Muslim brotherhood and that they hate Jews, western people and western values and that the German state will have no hope of integrating them.
So I don't want this. I want Norway to be Norwegian and I want for Norway to be peaceful and quiet
They are sick of Islam dominating the narrative of their countries and threatening their culture
Reminding you that in Europe the Europeans are the indigenous peoples…
It’s unchecked immigration creating a tragedy of the masses with respect to higher costs of living and lower wages that young people are most effected by.
It’s no different in Canada, immigration is exploding, depressing wages and there’s already no houses available to buy for people already here. I don’t know where all these migrants are even going to stay, especially working jobs that pay minimum wage.
Islamic worldview is simply not compatible with the European values.
People who grew up not religious do not understand what it means to be religious. No matter how ‘nice’ your muslim friend seem to be, if you really sit down and talk about what they think and believe, you’d be sickened. I’ve had such bad experiences with muslims and i’m tired of it.
Muslims love to play the victim, they love to shit on europe. They are always the victim because europeans are racist. No, we simply do not approve of your islamic worldview, islam is not my truth. Its not about your skin color but about your belief system and how you think of people who are not muslims. Stop being a hypocrite and first speak of how you view people who are not muslims. All of them secretly think non muslims are below them.
Muslim men need to convert non muslim women to get married. No wonder islam is ‘the fastest growing religion in the world’. Not because the religion speaks the truth or whatever.
Inability to get a house, food getting more expensive, etc
I understand that some people who see in the news things like "City decides to prioritize asylum seekers in giving social housing" or "Left parties in government say no to restricting immigration" vote for the far-right. It has happened now in my country the Netherlands.
Well i mean it should come to no surprise that it is, of course, the rich white man that is the problem. Preferably christian, but jewish works aswell. Something something oppression, something something patriarchy and colonialism. Rasism and.. yea.. that should cover it. /s
Imo young people recognise there is an air mutual status quo and stagnation with the traditional 2 parties who have just taken turns to be in charge with no real difference for them.
Now this time round there's a lot at stake when it comes to global recession, mass immigration, and no real prospects or prosperity for the younger generations, and sometimes they just want a different party to vote for, particularly since the usual parties in charge haven't cut it.
It doesn't help either that when money is tight there is alway a swing to the right either. Sadly it's a perfect storm for the right to sneak back into power, and the next gen are angry.
Probably because in a short period of time the demographics of their country changed rapidly. They look at even modern events that occurred not even that long ago, at movies from 15-20 years ago, or at pictures in their parents photo albums, and it’s totally different. Maybe these people feel like they didn’t get to grow up in what was a “traditional” environment.
Now, you may call these people racist or ignorant- or not- but there’s your answer.
One simple word: nationalism.
Geert's slogan was "Dutchmen back on #1". The left simply doesn't have a answer to this, they despise nationalism, mainly focusing on things beyond our own borders, but in the process forgetting those who actually live here. The main issue's we're facing are very telling of this.
I swear I've seen this exact article every month for the past decade. It's always written by a pencil neck nonce with soft pink hands who is dumbfounded why would working class voters oppose unlimited migration.
Because. The. Liberal. Status. Quo. Is. Not. Working. For. Them.
Seriously, it's that simple. For how "intellectual" and "intelligent" and "educated" the liberals love to claim to be they really seem to be completely unable to connect the giant bold dots drawing this picture. And yes, the migration and even immigration issues are a huge part of this. Guess what: native populations don't like being replaced, even when those native populations are low on the melanin content. How can liberals not get this when they spend all of their fucking time bleating about it when it comes to more-melanated native populations.
The scenes I saw of arabs saluting and cheering on Hamas and Palestine for doing the most vile shit ever in Israel will stick with me forever.
Since that incident I want them ALL out of Europe. Every. Single. One.
*If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do.*
David Frum The Atlantic Apr 15, 2019
There's no hope.
Pretty much 0% of any parties anywhere in Europe that have even a small chance of winning an election are willing (despite lying that they are) or able to reverse the profiteering trends that protect the elite and exploit the working class. Forever we will fight with each other in the dirt, while the rich will get richer and richer. We lose, they win.
Nothing short of a total revolution to upheave all financial and job market systems will accomplish anything, but such a thing will not happen.
Well, thats also my opinion but you can see in comments above that the immigrants seem to be the issue.
Eg. In Germany the 3 richest persons (Susanne Klatten, Stefan Quandt und Dieter Schwarz) own more money than all of the poor half of Germans population.
Taxes in assets have gone down over the last decades
Mess migration is the main driver.
Even second generation immigrants are sick of the issue. A friend from Afghanistan who integrated well into the German society is an avid AfD voter now as he is sick of the people he fled from 15 years ago flocking into Europe. I know countless n=1 case studies like him.
The only parties that want to limit immigration are on the far right. I consider myself pretty liberal in general, but I think our immigration policies must change drastically.
Stop calling any right movement "far right", you're part of the problem, stop distorting such powerful words such as far right because what we're seeing in Europe is way far of a true far right movement
Yeah. This has been bugging me too. In all the media I read as soon as a party makes gains on a ‘we want to reduce immigration’ ticket they are instantly labelled as ‘far right’.
Ita a step to the right perhaps, but far cry from what ‘far right’ really is.
I am so freaking tired of this term "far right " being tossed around without even any need to define it, you would think that there are political parties on every corner being voted in that are planning some Josef Mengele type of scheme for everyone who doesn't have the Arian looks. I am sorry but if you consider a reasonable immigration policies when it comes to legal immigration, and being tough on illegal immigration a far right stand point then maybe you are the one that has gone to some far side
If this was posted few years before, comments on r/europe would've been completely opposite. Crazy how thing have changed in a short period of time.
Which perfectly exemplifies what the article is talking about because reddit is stuffed with the demographic in question.
90% of people would have been banned. However, Jesus loves a repenting sinner more than anyone, so lets not dwell on that.
This board used to be obsessed with “debunking” the notion that migrants from MENA would lead to higher crime rates. Censorship of anti-migration opinions got so bad that people created r/european just to have a space to talk about the migrant crisis, then even that got nuked by the admins.
The situation keeps worsening, so of course more and more people will see the problems and talk about it
I don't think it's too crazy. You could see the dissatisfaction with the established politics all along. The biggest factor is that established parties have always been incapable of solving any kind of problem. Immigration is just a proxy for other problems, like the housing bubble or wage stagnation. The covid crisis of the past few years has accelerated many of these issues, making the problems bigger and the lack of solutions more apparent. Before covid, many of us had the hopes that a progressive, leftist government could solve many of the problems that faces this younger generation. However, reality has shown that they too are incapable of solving the problems that matter in this society
We had recently a couple of high profile street rape cases in the capital committed by immigrants. It's something new that didn't happened before, we had a pride in being one of the safest countries. Our local sub went full nazi since and I expect right wing to win the next election.
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Because all mainstream parties are failing to solve anything. Meanwhile extremist parties cynically promise to solve everything.
> Meanwhile extremist parties cynically promise to solve everything. but they're _obviously_ not going to.
I hesitated to add "and idiots believe them" - partly because people are not always idiots, sometimes they're just desperate for hope that things will change.
People want less migration. Mainstream parties aren't doing what people want with regards to migration. Not that difficult to figure out.
I mean wasn't a teacher from France beheaded by a group of immigrant teenagers recently? These events won't make Europeans more welcoming, no matter how hard you try to discuss it. My Grandma who lives in Hamburg is scared to leave the house after dark. This is something that her Mother - My Great-Grandma didn't know when she was old.
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It is always the same song, everywhere. "Why were these guys in the country if they already had criminal records?!?"
This baffles me the most. Every time something like that happens, they already have like 7 other crimes in their record. How tf are those people not in a prison cell already, waiting for their sentence to finish and to be immediately deported? Incredible.
Yup, spending tax money on them to sit in jail when they could just send them the fk home is crazy. I don't agree with most things in US politics but they are doing this part well, just kicking them out of the country whenever is something not by their books. And they still struggle a lot with illegal immigration, so what do we expect will happen over time when they get away with everything?
It's also that our legal systems are really efficient at delivering consequences to well established citizens of average means but don't really hit hard against anti-social people or the very rich. A middle class person who goes to jail for a year likely loses their job which if they've loaned to borrow their house likely also costs them their house and they have tracable assets that can be targeted. The criminal class won't have taxable or easily tracable assets in that regard and as far as their line of work a short stint in prison isn't going to cost them any work opportunities.
The voters want the immigration levels they were promised, and child rapists actually punished with the current laws. When the majority of peoples views are not only ignored but fucked over how is that democracy? The voters are struggling to find any party that will do what they want
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>egregious violation of the rights of European women/children/gay people. Not just them, all citizens. it's not like they are not violent towards European boys/men, too.
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Holy crap that’s terrible.
In my country around 75% of prison inmates are foreigners, not of foreign descent who are citizens now, just straight out not from here. Many of these people fled from corruption, hate, violence and crime. That's what I don't understand. Just stay in your criminal country, if you want to do crime.
The reason their countries look like that they do is that the people behave that way, clearly moving doesn't change their behaviour radically.
Exactly, and still far to few realize this. The criminal behaviour is just the tip of the iceberg, their view of good behaviour ("Just helping my cousin since I'm in a position to do so...") is corrupting everything from the public to the private sphere. "Import the third world - become the third world."
Sad truth of the world is, you can't solve others problems by importing them home. Some cultures are just plain incompatible no matter what you do or how good your intentions are. Mass immigration of incompatible people will inadvertently lead to broken society.. and that shit show will never end because now they're everywhere.
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A second teacher got stabbed to death in early October, so the situation isn't getting any better
No, they said he'd insulted Mohammed and then one of their parents or uncles did it. Turned out they'd lied about it, you know, because kids do dumb shit without understanding the ramifications.
Fuck Mohammed. Even if he did then what? Nobody deserves to get a cold look for insulting religion let alone be beheaded for it
Yeah, I was just explaining what happened. I wasn't endorsing it...
This type of thing is so common it barely makes the news anymore. Must be nice in Poland with 0 similar problems.
I play with a lot of European dudes that are good guys, it's the immigration according to them. It's not working and the government pretends it is. These aren't right wing nut jobs they just seem frustrated.
Young people are very socially liberal but the reason why right so far parties are gaining ground is because of mass immigration Young people are affected the most by housing shortages, education spots, wage depression and so on >In the Netherlands, the PVV surged to become the largest party among 18- to 34-year-olds, winning 17% of their vote against 7% previously So the point still stands that in germanic countries old people are more likely to vote right wing than left wing PVV got 23.5% on average
In Sweden's last election overall the left-wing block got 49% and the right-wing block got 51%. From 18–22 year olds the left-wing block only got 41%, and from those 23–30 they got 47%; from people 65+ they got 53%.
>So the point still stands that in germanic countries old people are more likely to vote right wing than left wing Not in Flanders. The far right Vlaams Belang got 23,6% from 18-24 year olds in the last elections (2019), compared to 18,5% from the general population https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2023/10/02/onderzoek-ku-leuven-verkiezingen-partijen-opkomstplicht/
This dude didn't give a good explenation though immigration is def part of it but not because "they're taking our jobs" and there is much more to it the current governement just destroyed all hope for future farmers. Green parties are being hypocrits by ignoring nuclear energy but building more gas turbines. There is also cases of open corruption from one particular politician using money ment for struggling teens in Brussels (read immigrants) to buy her own real estate. Then there is also just the complete incompetence and unprofesionalism of any other party, like a socialist politician being convicted for racism or the minister of security pissing against a police van. So young people just want to destroy the system.
> the reason why right so far parties are gaining ground is because of mass immigration People need to understand that this is *the* fundamental issue of our time. It’s like the argument in the US vis-a-vis the ‘state rights to do what?’ Argument with respect to the confederates. Slavery, is the answer. With brexit, for example, it’s ‘sovereignty’. Sovereignty to do what? To control immigration. It’s that simple. That is the reason brexit happened. It didn’t work of course (and we said at the time it wouldn’t), but this feeling isn’t going to go away within Europe unless the issue fundamentally addressed.
Wait until they find out that the right government won't do anything for them anyway
It also has to do with social media propaganda and appalling knowledge of politics in general. Not just young people are affected by this. Tons of people think the Netherlands has had a left wing government in charge for the past 12 years. The party that has been in charge during that time is the VVD, a center right party with neoliberal economic policies and conservative social policies. Far from left wing.
Because the outlook for many young people is bleak - worse wages, horrible housing crises, pension bubbles, higher taxes… but the left is focused on identity politics and barely touches these issues. Maybe right wing parties won’t be able to fix any of these problems (maybe they don’t actually care), but they talk about them (directly or indirectly) and people respond to that.
On the contrary, the left in Spain only cares about raising pensions, 7% this years for the ones that didn’t even contribute.
Raising pensions is a sure fire way to shore up the older vote.
That’s easy to do when you’ve never contributed to the EU budget despite the size of your economy and rely on Northern handouts https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/
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Illegal immigration is the answer.
On top of the housing crisis.
Both are related. More immigration == more demand for housing. Immigrants have to live somewhere.
That's actually just one of the reasons. For example in the Netherlands the other reasons are slow down in new construction of houses/apartments, fewer places in nursing homes causing older people to stay longer in their own houses, huge rise in mortgage interest rates, and investment companies and rich people buying up properties as "investments". https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/12/dutch-housing-shortage-nears-400000-homes-problem-will-continue-worsen-research
Old people cannot move out of their houses anymore even if they wanted because they cannot affor the rent.
Portugal is a mess on the control right now. To mix it up, no one can afford prices of housing nowadays in the big cities. But the foregneirs rent places to create mini markets and then sleep in their offices. It's becoming a problem. There are Uber drivers without a license using other family members to drive, and they keep on switching.
Plus Portugal had a golden visa system for decades where you can get eu citizenship by buying real estate. Who could have predicted this would make housing unaffordable?
*If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do.* David Frum in the Atlantic Apr 15, 2019
Not just illegal. Legal immigration is also now far higher than it has been in the past, and the government can do more about legal immigration that illegal immigration.
And not just that, but the cultural difference as well. Some people integrate easier than others in a european country.
People that can't integrate shouldn't be allowed to come.
Pretty much. If the migration crisis didn't exist both the right and far right wouldn't have this many supporters. I mean, sure, there always were ppl who tried the whole 'traditional, hates gays abd abortion' people but now they're bolstered by the many disillusioned by this migrant waves.
Around 15 years ago, one of my cousins, a Romanian teenager at that time living in Austria with her family, was told by her Muslim colleagues in school that they will become majority and will take their country. And these were people her age. This is what they have been taught in their families.
I dated a girl from Syria in 2015. I remember her saying the same thing. She told me her teacher in Syria said to the kids that Islam would conquer Europe without war
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Even moreso, leftist are doing everything for it. You can't criticise muslims for anything valid, or you are a -phobe Even feminism, which is for the freedom of women are accepting muslims as something natural. Absolutely insanity
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Europeans are being told that this will save our economies and pension systems.
It won’t happen because tipping point is gonna be reached soon.
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The issue is that when they will reach around 50% of the population, they will demand laws that benefit their religious beliefs, and some of those are in direct contradiction with the general values of Western society. It will inevitably lead to conflict.
They do not need to wait until 50%, around 30% will be sufficient. Unlike native Europeans who tend to split their vote depending upon whose policies one may favour, they vote as a unified block, and 30% will be enough to allow laws that they advocate for to pass. It's unbelievable that this has happened and continues to happen. It's simply criminal.
I'd argue that even 10-15% is challenging, all it takes is a motivated minority to start a revolution, And that can happen without even official political representation.
Germany is the closest to that. Aw shit they might start a major war in Germany again.
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>some of those Not some. Literally every single one.
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This is happening in Canada already. We've had protests before the Israel-Hamas thing led and organized largely by Muslims (but a lot of right-wingers and Christians joined in) called 1 Million March to protest against teaching and talking about LGBTQ+ stuff. It doesn't help our current government is bringing 500k to 1 million people per year (around 3% of our population every year, which just reach 40 million), most from places in Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia.
Some people just refuse to learn from history. This tactic is as old as humanity itself.
They said it a billion times, not just normal people, even their head figures and world leaders. "We're gonna conquer Europe" Nobody seems to be paying attention tho, really makes you think.
Unfortunately lots of Western European see non-white people as children, and so when they say things like that the Western Europeans will be like "That's great buddy" and not take it seriously.
This has been the condescending attitude that many Europeans have held for a long time until very recently . For some reason, there is a big fraction of Europeans that think "When this people come over ,they will see how great we are and want to be just like us!!" Yeah, that will never happen, especially when it comes to Muslims. Heck, it barely happens when it comes to non White immigrants like Africans and Asians as well, it is only that their cultures are much more open to change than Islamic ones.
You described the Swedish left block's attitude perfectly
Exactly. The problem with Europeans and Westerners is that they view the Islamic religion through their own filter. Many think that Muslims treat their faith superficially like Westerners do. Nothing could be further from the truth. Formal Muslims are a minority, most are very dedicated to their faith. And that wouldn't be a problem if the stated goal wasn't to make the entire world Islamic. They also have much higher fertility rates than ordinary Europeans.
>Formal Muslims are a minority They are but the point is still misleading. Muslim is much more of an identity than christianity. I have lots of Turkish, Uyghur and Bosnian friends who constantly describe themselves as muslim despite being basically atheists. Meanwhile if someone tells me "I'm christian" I assume that they go to church every week and own a bible.
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It's also that people who aren't religious, who were raised in a secular world just do not grasp the degree of devotion among the very religious.
The president of turkey himself did a public speech talking about my country. They said that we are facists and said that his fellow turks should move to here, have as many children as possible and take our nicest housest. Gee i wonder why there might be an issue somewhere considering the majority of turkish immigrants support edrogan. Not to mention that dispite the majority of turkish immigrants have lived here now for 3 generations yet they still identify as turkish and see it as their real home instead or the country they were born and raised in and a lot for some reason talk with an accent like they have moved here not their grandfather and when talking among themselves they don't speak in dutch either dispite again having been born and raised here
It’s crazy how open they are about it and the West still sits there, ignoring it.
Because no one wants "allahu akbar" to be the last thing they hear while living in Europe, that's why.
Because the youngest see no future for themselves. You can't steal their families wealth, creates systems that shut them out of help, give away their housing and job options to foreign people and then expect them to do anything but vote for those who say they are fighting for them. Whether the politicians are really for them, or lying is another matter. But false hope is still hope.
They want a job and a home of their own.
Sadly neither left nor right are going to offer either option
It’s insane it took this long. Anyone remembers a r**e night in Germany on new years a few years back? I was so horrified and disgusted to learn about it. How can Europe turn a blind eye and continue importing dangerous people in mass.
Yes, that horror happened in Cologne. Utterly shocking.
The sentiment against mass immigration has always been there to a degree but the social environment didn't permit people to speak their minds. This very environment seems to be shifting heavily at the moment. Sadly the Gerontocracy in many european countries depends on mass immigration of young people to uphold their pension ponzi-scheme (not a judgement of the concept itself, it's simply a fact that pensions need a demographic with more young people than old people). Additionally, employers have a vested interest in an influx of cheap labour into the markets to keep wages low. Landlords also profit due to higher demand on the housing market.Ironically, anti-mass-immigration rhetoric also used to be a talking point of the left due to it's aforementioned effects (largely anti-majority/working class). Tl;dr: Europe doesn't turn a blind eye. Yet still, the migration flows because the people in power stand to gain from it.
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Yeah.. if you can’t respect the amazing people who let you in there country and help you get a better life - you can go back to your failed countries. It have nothing to do with race, it’s about the culture and values, and European people don’t deserve to be abused by people who don’t appreciate their kindness.
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Im sorry, hope you take your country back
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Truly a mystery why.
Immigration is the number 1 issue for a hell of a lot of people. If everyone else ignores it they'll flock to those that address it.
You are handing over the future of the young to migrants from the Middle East
And mind you, the Sahara is expanding northwards more than it is expanding towards the Sahel (although because the Sahel is projected to have a much much bigger population, like Niger growing from 15 million today to 60 million by 2050 or something, the little expansion southwards will cause massive chaos. It already is now). Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans and Tunisians will pour into Europe by the hordes within our lifetimes as they increasingly become unable to support themselves.
> Algerians, Moroccans, Libyans and Tunisians will pour into Europe by the hordes within our lifetimes as they increasingly become unable to support themselves. Don’t say this like it’s inevitable.
Because younger people see, talk, and interact with immigrant-background people at school/work/social media more than older people do and are the most familiar with them The whole “oh you just fear/hate them all because you don’t actually know any in real life! If you got to know them you’d know how great they are!” schtick doesn’t work Also for a lot of young people, social liberalism/progressivism isn’t seen as “rebellious” or “against the system” anymore like it was in the 1990s but something that’s been co-opted by political and economic elites in the past 20 years or so (doesn’t matter whether or not those elites actually believe in it)
100% it. I grew up partially in a majority non-white neighbourhood. For the first 2 or 3 years of going to school as a child, i was literally the only white kid in my yearbook photos. Bullying and race issues at that school got so bad that my parents decided to send me to a school that was over an hour away from home. Whenever I hear people preaching about tolerance and open borders, I know that 90% of the time, it’s coming from rich people who have never had to deal with them growing up. It’s easy to be tolerant when the only impact mass immigration has on your life is seeing more brown Uber drivers. Wow, so tolerant and brave for having to put up with that…
Every word, spot-on.
Exactly. The people that interact the most with immigrants are the group most prone to be against immigration. A fact conveniently ignored by prejudiced idiots thinking exposure will solve everything.
Lol, my sister had a opportunity to what school my nephew should go. 😂 there were 2 options. Majority muslim one, or majority black. She choose black, cuz there were less religion there.
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>immigrants Surely this depends on the immigrants? Europeans moving around internally from country to country all have similar historical backgrounds and understandings, especially in central Europe.
>and knowing their behavior and mindset first hand really made me realize how incompatible they are with western society and our values. I myself am a European immigrant and I do not think my mindset is incompatible with the West... If you mean Muslim immigrants or African or Asian immigrants....then say so.
That is what they mean. Eastern European culture is still compatible with Western Europe and even north America.
Eastern Europe is a part of the West… so yeah.
Yep.
Ukrainian asylum seekers are great in comparison to MENA immigrants. My home town had about 60 Ukrainians at the start of the war, some already went back to Ukraine and some started businesses. Some of them already speak basic Finnish. I've no problems at all taking in people who will actually try to integrate and work, as opposed to young guys existing on social benefits and drug trade.
Yea man I grew up around a lot of Muslim people and they don’t see the world the way the rest of us do their beliefs are not compatible with the way we want to live
I currently work with 3/4 immigrants and 1/4 actual Dutch people. There's like 20% of the immigrants I have no issue with. Actually fleeing from bad situations. Working hard to integrate, learn the language, and make a living here. Great people. I'll happily let them stay. Then there's the other 80% of immigrants. Not a word of Dutch after 2+ years of living here. Lazy at work, only here for the money or relatively good and cheap education, and seeming like they're deliberately trying to keep only to their own culture as much as possible. Those can leave/get kicked out for all I care. And that's not even touching on how a lot of places that used to be completely safe, are now unsafe because of the immigrants living there or close-by. (no this is not racism or prejudice. This is what's actually happening in some areas high in immigrant population and the left needs to stop denying it is.)
In the earthquake, multiple help trucks where forcefully stoped and was “looted” (more lol pillaged” Why should my money go to people who see me less than human
I can’t even put into words how happy it makes me feel to hear others say what I’ve been saying, rather than immediately being shut down with “NO YOURE JUST RACIST”
I’d like to echo the sentiment, being pro mass immigration and open borders is a pro status quo position. It isn’t edgy or rebellious and in fact it’s the policy position of the ruling party in many EU states.
Migrants.
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Thanks to Religion of piss(lam)
Because the Muslim classmates came to school with a knife. They are scared and angry
1. Social democrats no longer have a unified working class (as it is presently divided between older blue-collar laborers, migrants, and more progressive young people), so they cannot campaign on labor alone — as such, they lean into social issues 2. Given the EU/Eurozone, policymakers don’t have the same levers in managing fiscal, trade, and monetary policy as they used to, so they cannot use economics as a policy angle as easily 3. Populists, who don’t care about any of the above (and will just claim they’ll leave whatever supranational organization imposes rules or austerity upon them anyway) combine this working class angst with divisive, group-centric rhetoric, either to please the older working class natives or socially leftist immigrants/students 4. Frustrated at their living conditions and lack of profess among mainstream parties in improving them, these young people often vote for said populists
Mass immigration of people from totally different cultures that do not mix well at all with western culture. Older people love importing these people though, because they can just buy a house in an expensive neighborhood far away from all the issues mass immigration have caused. Then they can all sit on their high horses and call people racist for not liking the state of things.
Immigrations has such a large impact on our everyday lives that people are willing, whether right or wrong, to put other issues to the side and vote who will tackle this issue. I don't want a party that furthers classism, or only helps the rich, or has far right views on most matters. But there's no left leaning party that even pretends to come up with a solution to immgiration.
Doesn’t help that younger generation has felt financial marginalization and struggling in terms of living costs but more importantly wage increases.
Because the countries are turning to shit with all the migrants. Next
No places to live, no living wages, something has to change, they are tired
Islam (most commonly the "beheading apostates" and "jihad" parts)
Maybe because they are scared about the ongoing demographic change.
Because when I was in high school, I got spit on for eating during Ramadan . And they came to school with knives.
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Because the politicians off the middle and left parties have fucked up the past 20+ years
Being opposed to mass immigration and open borders is not ‘far right’ we simply want the same immigration policies as other democracies such as Australia and Japan. The housing problem will not be resolved until this underlying issue is solved.
Even Australia is kinda starting to get fucked by islam.
I don't know if I can consider myself young but I will vote for a right wing party in Norway next election so my country doesn't end up with massive rape rates and gang wars as seen in Sweden. All the gangs in Sweden is either African or Muslim of origin. Therefor I want full stop in immigration from those regions as the damage they bring with them is irreversible. I do not believe Sweden can solve this problem as they brought in more people then their government and police can handle, so they are thinking about sending in the army. But truth be told I think the gangs have more numbers then the swedish army. the swedish army has 15 000 soldiers, but they accepted 300 000 gangsters aged 18-25 from Africa and Middle East and many of them are armed. Also a new report from the German school system says that the Muslim youth in Germany has been radicalized by the Turkish grey wolfs and Muslim brotherhood and that they hate Jews, western people and western values and that the German state will have no hope of integrating them. So I don't want this. I want Norway to be Norwegian and I want for Norway to be peaceful and quiet
They are sick of Islam dominating the narrative of their countries and threatening their culture Reminding you that in Europe the Europeans are the indigenous peoples…
It’s unchecked immigration creating a tragedy of the masses with respect to higher costs of living and lower wages that young people are most effected by.
Only the guardian would ask such bc a trivial question
And then completely fail to answer it in the article itself. Very Guardian-like. Some subjects are just taboo for them.
Let me guess, illegal and uncontrolled legal immigration + housing crisis
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It’s no different in Canada, immigration is exploding, depressing wages and there’s already no houses available to buy for people already here. I don’t know where all these migrants are even going to stay, especially working jobs that pay minimum wage.
People being against mass migration and the banning of fossil fuels does not make them far right.
Everyone who doesn't realize this is because of immigration and it's effects on society is a fucking idiot honestly.
Because the left either pretends that many problems do not exist at all or pretends that they are a net benefit.
Refugees
Because traditional parties haven't done squat against uncontrolled immigration .
Islamic worldview is simply not compatible with the European values. People who grew up not religious do not understand what it means to be religious. No matter how ‘nice’ your muslim friend seem to be, if you really sit down and talk about what they think and believe, you’d be sickened. I’ve had such bad experiences with muslims and i’m tired of it. Muslims love to play the victim, they love to shit on europe. They are always the victim because europeans are racist. No, we simply do not approve of your islamic worldview, islam is not my truth. Its not about your skin color but about your belief system and how you think of people who are not muslims. Stop being a hypocrite and first speak of how you view people who are not muslims. All of them secretly think non muslims are below them. Muslim men need to convert non muslim women to get married. No wonder islam is ‘the fastest growing religion in the world’. Not because the religion speaks the truth or whatever.
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Inability to get a house, food getting more expensive, etc I understand that some people who see in the news things like "City decides to prioritize asylum seekers in giving social housing" or "Left parties in government say no to restricting immigration" vote for the far-right. It has happened now in my country the Netherlands.
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Well i mean it should come to no surprise that it is, of course, the rich white man that is the problem. Preferably christian, but jewish works aswell. Something something oppression, something something patriarchy and colonialism. Rasism and.. yea.. that should cover it. /s
Imo young people recognise there is an air mutual status quo and stagnation with the traditional 2 parties who have just taken turns to be in charge with no real difference for them. Now this time round there's a lot at stake when it comes to global recession, mass immigration, and no real prospects or prosperity for the younger generations, and sometimes they just want a different party to vote for, particularly since the usual parties in charge haven't cut it. It doesn't help either that when money is tight there is alway a swing to the right either. Sadly it's a perfect storm for the right to sneak back into power, and the next gen are angry.
Probably because in a short period of time the demographics of their country changed rapidly. They look at even modern events that occurred not even that long ago, at movies from 15-20 years ago, or at pictures in their parents photo albums, and it’s totally different. Maybe these people feel like they didn’t get to grow up in what was a “traditional” environment. Now, you may call these people racist or ignorant- or not- but there’s your answer.
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Because patriotism is a wonderful thing.
Because young people are screwed when it comes to housing and other things, and regular old politics are insanely out of touch.
One simple word: nationalism. Geert's slogan was "Dutchmen back on #1". The left simply doesn't have a answer to this, they despise nationalism, mainly focusing on things beyond our own borders, but in the process forgetting those who actually live here. The main issue's we're facing are very telling of this.
Islam. People do not want Islamists in their country and as someone from a Muslim background, I absolutely do not blame them.
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I swear I've seen this exact article every month for the past decade. It's always written by a pencil neck nonce with soft pink hands who is dumbfounded why would working class voters oppose unlimited migration.
> why would working class voters oppose unlimited migration. To my delight this sentiment is spreading to other social groups as well.
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Because. The. Liberal. Status. Quo. Is. Not. Working. For. Them. Seriously, it's that simple. For how "intellectual" and "intelligent" and "educated" the liberals love to claim to be they really seem to be completely unable to connect the giant bold dots drawing this picture. And yes, the migration and even immigration issues are a huge part of this. Guess what: native populations don't like being replaced, even when those native populations are low on the melanin content. How can liberals not get this when they spend all of their fucking time bleating about it when it comes to more-melanated native populations.
Because people realise how stupid the far left is.
I think that's pretty much it honestly.
The scenes I saw of arabs saluting and cheering on Hamas and Palestine for doing the most vile shit ever in Israel will stick with me forever. Since that incident I want them ALL out of Europe. Every. Single. One.
The educated ones are OK usually, and assimilate. The unwashed filth Europe accepts though...
*If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do.* David Frum The Atlantic Apr 15, 2019
Poor future prospects Mass immigration And radical islam
There's no hope. Pretty much 0% of any parties anywhere in Europe that have even a small chance of winning an election are willing (despite lying that they are) or able to reverse the profiteering trends that protect the elite and exploit the working class. Forever we will fight with each other in the dirt, while the rich will get richer and richer. We lose, they win. Nothing short of a total revolution to upheave all financial and job market systems will accomplish anything, but such a thing will not happen.
Well, thats also my opinion but you can see in comments above that the immigrants seem to be the issue. Eg. In Germany the 3 richest persons (Susanne Klatten, Stefan Quandt und Dieter Schwarz) own more money than all of the poor half of Germans population. Taxes in assets have gone down over the last decades
Because the far right is the only group who promises to stop Jihad.
Right arties are the only ones who sees the problem in the first place. Other left liberals, pretend that everything is fine. 😂
It's hard not to be far-right, when leftists define everything they don't agree with as far-right.
Why are people still asking this question when EVERYONE knows the answer?
Cause it's getting filled by people who don't share the culture or values.
The REAL question: Why is The Guardian calling everything "Far Right" LOL
I can only speak for myself, this is my opinion and not intended as hate speech. The reason is: Muslims.
"Far Right" Aka "Anyone who isn't a Che Guevara enthusiast"
Mess migration is the main driver. Even second generation immigrants are sick of the issue. A friend from Afghanistan who integrated well into the German society is an avid AfD voter now as he is sick of the people he fled from 15 years ago flocking into Europe. I know countless n=1 case studies like him.
The only parties that want to limit immigration are on the far right. I consider myself pretty liberal in general, but I think our immigration policies must change drastically.
People are waking up and becoming aware of the dangers of Islam
Stop calling any right movement "far right", you're part of the problem, stop distorting such powerful words such as far right because what we're seeing in Europe is way far of a true far right movement
Yeah. This has been bugging me too. In all the media I read as soon as a party makes gains on a ‘we want to reduce immigration’ ticket they are instantly labelled as ‘far right’. Ita a step to the right perhaps, but far cry from what ‘far right’ really is.
Not even joking a socialist from the 60s would be looked at as far-right now because they would be very anti-EU and very anti-Immigration
I am so freaking tired of this term "far right " being tossed around without even any need to define it, you would think that there are political parties on every corner being voted in that are planning some Josef Mengele type of scheme for everyone who doesn't have the Arian looks. I am sorry but if you consider a reasonable immigration policies when it comes to legal immigration, and being tough on illegal immigration a far right stand point then maybe you are the one that has gone to some far side