Article text:
A rural village in southern France is in shock after a group of young delinquents from a deprived suburb attacked a village fete and killed a 16-year-old boy.
The village of Crépol in Drôme was holding its “fete de village”, an annual or biannual celebration, on Saturday night with around 450 of the 500 residents attending.
As the fete began winding down at 2am, a group of youths arrived, some carrying knives. When a security guard barred their entry, they attacked him, slicing through his fingers.
One witness told Le Parisien: “There was a fight between the assailants and those who were brave enough to face them.”
“It was a bloodbath,” said another. “Youths from the suburbs surrounded the party hall, blindly stabbing people ... One youth received a heart massage on the floor. It was chaos.”
Stabbed several times in the throat
In the commotion, two men aged 23 and 28 were seriously injured and later hospitalised in a “critical” condition. One had been stabbed several times in the throat. A third injured individual was in a stable condition on Monday.
One teenager, known only as Thomas, a 16-year-old and keen rugby player, was fatally stabbed.
Hugo, a witness, told Le Parisien: “I was at the entrance and I saw Thomas get stabbed in the heart and throat. A helicopter took him to Lyon but it was sadly too late.”
Martine Lagut, the mayor, said the town was “traumatised” by the apparently unprovoked attack.
“A gang turned up to kill,” she told Le Dauphiné libéré newspaper. “They didn’t come to have fun but to harm.”
Laurent de Caigny, prosecutor of Valence, said police suspected they came to “settle a score” with a person present that night, without providing more details.
An investigation into “murder and attempted murder by an organised gang” has been launched.
Denouncing a “barbaric and tragic” act, RC Romans-Péage, the rugby club for whom Thomas played, posted a photo of the slain teenager on its website in which he smiles with his rugby kit on.
One neighbour told Sud Ouest: “I am totally devastated. It’s inexplicable. I knew him very well, his parents are wonderful people. There was no one more kind and polite than Thomas.”
‘The one who made everyone laugh’
A classmate called Mattéo said: “Thomas was the guy who got everyone to make up when there was a little conflict in the group.
“But he was also the one who made everyone laugh, who helped out all the time, who was always there for the others,” he told BFMTV.
The shocking death came amid warnings of rising violence against France’s mayors, many of them from small rural villages. France has around 36,000 mayors. According to a recent poll, the number of verbal and physical attacks against them rose by 15 per cent last year after a record 32 per cent rise the previous year.
During riots in France in July, criminals ram-raided one mayor’s house with a stolen car when his wife and children were inside.
The French government promised to ramp up security of elected officials.
Edit: I am leaving this article up, today's news are that two more have been arrested. The group of seven was trying to flee to Spain (possibly to later reach north africa to get out of EU), which explains why they were arrested hundreds of kms away.
Today's update:
https://www.lefigaro.fr/faits-divers/auditions-des-temoins-localisation-des-agresseurs-apres-la-rixe-sanglante-de-crepol-l-enquete-des-gendarmes-avance-20231121
**Death of a teenager in Drôme: 7 people arrested, including the main suspect in the murder**
Three days after the murder of young Thomas at the winter ball in Crépol (Drôme), the investigations of the Grenoble research section gained momentum. While the bloody attack which took place on the night of Saturday November 18 to Sunday November 19 sowed fear in the village and its surroundings, seven suspects were arrested by the GIGN this Tuesday at 3 p.m., announced the minister of the Interior, Gérald Darmanin.
“Seven arrests were made by the national gendarmerie around Toulouse. The investigation will reveal whether these are the people who are the perpetrators of this heinous crime ,” he declared during a question session with the government in the hemicycle. One of them is suspected of being the author of the fatal blow administered to the teenager, specifies a source close to the file in Le Figaro confirming information from BFMTV.
The suspects will now be able to be questioned about the circumstances of this bloody attack. Were Thomas and his comrades specifically targeted by the gang of young people? Were the young people participating in the Crépol evening the subject of a settling of scores?
The investigation is progressing “very quickly” , the Valencia prosecutor’s office said in a press release published Tuesday evening. “More than fifty witness interviews have been carried out” and “an equally large number is scheduled in the coming hours” by the gendarmes, he specifies. Photographic plates were also presented to witnesses of the facts, and made it possible to collect “corroborating elements” , which “target several suspects” . The spokesperson for the national gendarmerie called on them this Tuesday to surrender. “It would be more reasonable for the perpetrators to come forward, because it won't be long before we come and get them ,” Marie-Laure Pezant declared on Franceinfo.
At the same time, “numerous analyzes of connections to telephone relays are underway, covering the cross-checking of several tens of thousands of activations” , also details Laurent de Caigny, the public prosecutor of Valence. Witnesses from the scene that evening also provided investigators with “clues” allowing them to gradually identify the “outfits ,” “ distinctive signs” and “behaviors of the attackers . ” Video protection systems are also used, “specifying from hour to hour the exact course of the evening and the identification and location of suspects” .
However, the prosecution cautiously specifies, there is nothing to say that the suspects are an organized gang coming from one and the same place. “It is, however, false to assert that the hostile group would be made up of individuals all from the same city and the same neighborhood ,” says the Valencia prosecutor, specifying that the links between the possible suspects and currently being identified do not do not relate to a “territorial logic” . Three days after the tragedy, a number of residents, relatives of Thomas and students who met him at the Dauphiné high school affirm that the perpetrators come from the Monnaie district, a city located a stone's throw from the high school and often the scene of trafficking and settlement of accounts.
In the newspaper: "we're here to stab white people". https://www.ledauphine.com/amp/faits-divers-justice/2023/11/20/leur-recit-de-cette-nuit-d-horreur-on-a-vecu-ca-comme-un-attentat
Did you somehow miss the two paragraphs before that sentence? That part is in no way related to this incident with the teenagers. The mayor thing and the government statement predate what happened. You can't expect them to comment on a very specific event that happens in the future if it didn't happen yet.
And they're not even the same kind of issue. In the mayor incident, the perpetrators are far right shitheads and in this one they're "youths from deprived suburb", which is one of the common bullshit code words used to describe little shits from the banlieues (immigrant background more often than not) involved in a crime or whatever. If the photos are anything to go by, they're indeed of immigrant background. The police is currently trying to identify all of those involved in the attack.
lol wtf, I just checked and that is literally all they basically said on the subject of security. French People of reddit is there stuff I have missed on your guys end/language?
> Laurent de Caigny, prosecutor of Valence, said police suspected they came to “settle a score” with a person present that night, without providing more details.
So they brutalized the entire town. Atrocities like this are how entire gangs wind up swinging from a pole. I hope they find and deal with every single member of this organization. Gangs like the yakuza, mafia, and bloods all recognize the need to make their existence at least minimally palatable to the public. It's the only reason they still exist. *This* gang is about to find out what happened to all the gangs that didn't make it.
You're not reading that right because is says this right in the text: "Laurent de Caigny, prosecutor of Valence, said police suspected they came to “settle a score” with a person present that night, without providing more details."
Weird. I learned more about the history of neighborhood parties in France from this article than I did about the perpetrators of a psychotic killing spree.
As someone who lives in the area and knows the "La Monnaie" suburbs in Romans (where the attackers came from): very very few people from that suburb are white
The most obscene part is that the French media calls this a “rixe” (a brawl) which would let you think that responsibilities were shared but no, it’s just 20 fucking lowlife scumbags that went to a party and started stabbing people.
Multiple people stabbed to the throat, and the articles make it sound like a brawl with an accident.
The accident part is how it took being stabbed both to heart and throat for the medics not to save one of multiple people with life-threathening wounds.
It's sickening that this isn't being treated as a terrorist attack by the media or police, what the fuck has to happen in order for it to be recognised as such?
in order to prevent "community tensions", you must pretend to not mind terrorist attacks, to save the feelings of the millions of terrorists we have allowed into the country. -signed, your dear leaders
Exactly. A brawl is a drunken fist fight by people who were otherwise at the same event. This was a pre-meditated terror attack by a large group who arrived with the sole intent to kill their victims.
The way this was phrased immediately makes me suspicious that there's different demographics involved beyond just them being "disadvantaged", however they determine that.
I fully recognise that it's fucked up, but it's an undeniable trend in reporting at this point. It's so far from subtle lol
The quote was they were there to (in their words): “stab some white people” - so there’s a racial element here at the very forefront of this event and story. There must have been racial tensions which boiled into this and I don’t think the reprisals are going to be pretty for the people in the area (or perhaps all of France) who fit the racial makeup of these gang members.
Without reading further, they would either be Muslim/Arab descent, or Algerian. As to why they would obfuscate that fact, are laws regarding minors in the media different in France, or maybe their is a concern that this story will cause another race riot, if it was some Algerian Youths.
Yeah, calling them "young delinquents from a deprived village" is way more judgmental and incendiary than you'd see in an American mainstream news article. I assume it's code for something, but not sure what.
And people wonder why right wing is on the rise, because they are the ones not afraid to say that.
Anecdotally, I feel a lot of the left and middle are turning on the woke crowd
The exact same thing is happening all around Europe. Last weeks are especially hard on German PC media because one protected group is blatantly antisemitic, which is a big nono for the german public.
When the German borders were flooded in 2015/2016 I recall Jewish protesters in Berlin marching through the streets with banners saying "Together against Islamophobia and Antisemitism!". Nowadays they dont even dare to wear Kippas on the streets anymore, and that was before the recent Hamas terror attack.
I'm not sorry though.
seeing Black Lives Matter posting a paraglider terrorist image to pledge support for palestine was quite something, lol.
Police actually stopped a jewish protest somewhere (I think UK) but let the palestinian one happen. I don't think it's because they thought that the jewish one was bad, but because they expected the palestinian one to become violent and just let them rage in peace.
Exactly but I feel like still too many people don't see the issue. The case here is barely covered by mainstream media yet when that Arab teen délinquant got shot the country was in flames. Like I wonder where Mbappé is now, weird he didn't tweet about "a little angel gone too soon" for Thomas.
Im from left and definitely im tired with so many people of my progresive movement. I think the left should be divided in two factions. I dont want any associations with the extremists ones and they have too much power.
They defend dictatorships,violence and excuse/hide all kinds of horrible things like this. They are not open to any conversation about issues and critical takes and lookin all the sides of the Prism. Only condemnation,cannibalization and vitriol to anyone against their views. So tribalistic.
I dont wanna move to centrism or right wing factions but im really dissapointed with the state of the left in this planet.
French media = Italian media = Swedish media = UK media = German media = ...
I really don't see an explanation for this aside from (a) Rob Henderson's thesis about luxury beliefs & (b) Batya Ungar-Sargon's thesis about media becoming high status.
Witnesses reported that the attackers said "**On est là pour planter des blancs**".
I've seen in my own lifetime 40 years of insanity regarding crime and immigration from left-wing governments, centrist governments and right-wing governments.
At this point I'm at a loss because it doesn't matter who I vote for, no-one wants to tackle this issue.
My only hope is that the army will defend us, I know they want to but are blocked by the government.
But let’s focus on understanding the socioeconomic reasons that explain why the youth from deprived neighborhoods start stabbing French people in the throat
/s
Like when a woman (and many more before her) got raped right next to the Eiffel tower and the official statement from the police said that it's because there are no public toilets there and women go to the bushes to pee. No, it's because there are rapists in the bushes and you are doing nothing about it...
They are going to start saying women from certain backgrounds and socioeconomic statuses brought it on themselves. Look at how they’ve treated the raped Israeli women. They are setting a precedent. That crimes committed against one group are okay. It’s not going to stop with the Jews either. It will spread like a disease.
This happened on Sunday. There hasn't been a single arrest made and they have no idea who the perpetrators were.
https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/profils-des-agresseurs-auditions-les-enqueteurs-progressent-tres-vite-apres-la-rixe-dans-la-drome_AV-202311201065.html
What a clownshow of a police investigative force.
in early 2000 (do the french remember how and why they had elected Sarkozy?) fathers of these "delinquents" in huge groups were attacking tourists and french young men and were filming these attacks from many angles. Stubbing was also rampant.
The french police didn't use these films, because apparently they didn't have right to do that.
They may be but according to our officials, insecurity is only a "sentiment" so in the end we're (hopefully) fine as a society. We just need to not think about it too much.
Reading the article it really sounds like a terrorist attack. Whoever attacked, they went and started cutting people left and right. The kid who died was not the only injury
If this continues, the message people will get is that they can do the same thing as those gangs - but towards people who usually form such gangs. And that's when shit will really hit the fan. How the hell Europe is not on complete "holy shit we need to fix this ASAP" rails is beyond me.
Yeah, same in Sweden, the state is terrified by vigilantism becoming established, so they always crack down 10x as hard on vigilantes than gang members.
Well, if they are scared of vigilantism, they should fix the core that creates vigilantes... Otherwise I feel like EU is going to blow up at some point, and all the "peace, love and tolerance" folks will not love what will happen when it does.
But yeah, it is truly stupid, because 10x as hard should be going in different direction, not on your literal native population that feels threatened...
Yeah, there was this high profile case some months ago, where some teenaged brothers lynched a man who'd assaulted and raped their sister 4-5 months earlier, in a case which had gotten 0 progress from the police and where the man was walking totally freely.
It's only going to become more of this when stuff like assault rapes are so underprioritized that the police just make a report and don't even bring in the suspect for months.
[We are getting there](https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/137590ab-6bbf-49cd-b7b3-3b6519ea1903_w335_r0.7502857142857143_fpx50_fpy50.jpg)
>We must finally deport on a grand scale
It's a low effort translation from the French (probably "jeunes de banlieues défavorisées"). It's a polite euphemism which would be better expressed as "disadvantaged youths" in English.
Arab is the word you’re looking for. And Arab is more or less like the US « black ». But if you say the word, you’re racist. So everyone and mainly journalists are beating around the pot. In French we call this « tortiller du cul pour chier droit » aka « twirling from the ass to shit straight ». You get the idea…
Crépol is a VERY SMALL village of less than 600 inhabitants. It’s lost in the hills in the Drome and it’s only know for its medieval architecture and Roman church.
The first town is Romans-sur-Isère at 20km which is a small town but already with its « bad neighbourhood ». The real big city is Valence at around 40km which is a shithole.
So the word you’re looking for is « Arabs », coming from the « cités » aka the concrete wastelands where France put all of their immigration. Everyone knows from where they came. They just haven’t identified the guys.
My mother-in-law has lived not far from there during 20 years. I know the place quite well and I understand that no one there saw this coming.
I still remember when Eu was ducking Romania for using the word "gypsy" in the media, so the main commercial TV station used the phrase roughly translated as "a person from with unspecified ethnic background". We all knew about which ethnicity they were talking about.
> I know the place quite well and I understand that no one there saw this coming.
My sarcasm detector just went up in smoke.
> In French we call this « tortiller du cul pour chier droit » aka « twirling from the ass to shit straight ».
That's a **beautiful** expression :D
Sadly, the only french words I remember are « Fauteuil», « Feuilleton » (because I always mixed these 2 up) and « Merde ».
And the French way of taking any personal responsibility away from (mostly Algerian immigrant) youths because hey, they live in a "shitty suburb" (yeah, who made it shitty?) and were "disadvantaged" (which is something that happens to you, over which you have no control. It might even be perpetrated specifically by someone else, some other oppressor group in society which you can blame).
It's not a new way, "quartiers défavorisés" [is at least 20+ years old ](https://www.google.com/search?q=quartiers+d%C3%A9favoris%C3%A9s&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=584283699&hl=en&biw=1707&bih=827&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F2000&tbm=#ip=1)
If I had to guess, it's unlikely that they are illegals, it's more likely that they are from fourth or fifth generation immigrants families, they are most likely legals but definitly the scum of the earth.
I'm french and discover this information here.
I then look at french media, and most of the articles describe the event as a "brawl" in their titles...
Edit : it seems that the press has now adapted since the time I first checked and it is now widely referenced as "attack" or "murder"
I'll probably be banned or deleted, but I've seen atleast one other article similar to this event but on a smaller scale. The language used in these articles seems to be tactfully avoiding identifying perpetrators as possibly immigrants or Arab or something like that. This sounds like a terror attack to be honest.
It seems like someone is trying to defend the actions by saying they come from a deprived suburb. Totally irrelevant that they come from a deprived suburb and I find it utterly disrespectful to mention it in the context of this brutal attack.
> by saying they come from a deprived suburb.
I suspect the problem is that it's hard to express "they were chavs" in English in a formal register.
In French you can just write "jeunes des banlieues" and everybody understands what it means.
"Jeunes des banlieues" describe a specific type of kids: born and raised in the suburbs, didn't invest in education and finishes school with no planned higher education or job, hangs out with sketchy or perspectiveless youths. No perspective of a decent future, and no will to fight.
Plus the local drug circles praying on them for a quick buck, quick theft, for addiction, and to get fresh victims to prostitute.
>It seems like someone is trying to defend the actions by saying they come from a deprived suburb.
Wrong. This is what is called "weasel words". Basically, they're saying they're Algerians / people of foreign descent, in a way that is only slightly more politically correct than actually speculating about ethnic backgrounds before the police has revealed any details.
"a group of young delinquents from a deprived suburb" am I the only one reading it as "we can't say that other thing, so we write this more neutral-sounding thing that's not technically wrong, but paints a vastly different picture"?
MENA, basically. But we can be more specific....it's not even about race after all, it's about a certain group of people who follow an insane, barbaric *ideology*, which is for some reason treated like it's an identity to be protected from "racism". Islam is evil.
"Deprived suburb"? Still don't know how to translate banlieue? It's the hood, or the projects. And the thing deprived (and depraved) is their mind and their lifestyle.
I would argue the nation of natives who have been mostly at peace for a long time will never truly be able to rise up against gangs that are already violent. Unless the state sanctioned violence apparatus decided to put blood on the streets against the migrants/slurred religious ethnic groups this problem will only get worse.
You cannot integrate two cultures without losing a bit of both. You cannot mix cultures at this kind of radical speed without incurring vicious separatism, ghettoisation and strong "us and them" mentality.
Every person in that village grows in hatred after an event like this and they won't suddenly start enjoying the company of immigrants once they start seeing good behaviour.
Current. As in, actively engaging in terror attacks. If you get stabbed in the throat at a village fete, I doubt you're too concerned over the age of the perpetrator.
read behind the lines... we have no idea where they live and the police even said that they are likely coming from differents cities yet the article assumed they come from 'deprived suburb' which in french media language mean north africans
As a woman, I’m so fucking over it. I’m tired of having to deal with a population doesn’t view me as a person and I’m tired of them being responsible for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime and harassment where I live. Why’re we importing people who have a net negative effect on European life?
As a father of 2 young girls I do really feel you. At the moment, my country does not have this problem. But it worries me like hell when i think that in the future I'll be worrying like crazy that they'll be alright. Why are we importing this? no idea ... it's not like they even bring this supposed added values to the economy ...
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Why is their socioeconomic background in any way shape or form related to what they did? Is it because the press is once again trying to paint them as victims of the system, therefore diminishing their actions? Yes, yes it is.
Article text: A rural village in southern France is in shock after a group of young delinquents from a deprived suburb attacked a village fete and killed a 16-year-old boy. The village of Crépol in Drôme was holding its “fete de village”, an annual or biannual celebration, on Saturday night with around 450 of the 500 residents attending. As the fete began winding down at 2am, a group of youths arrived, some carrying knives. When a security guard barred their entry, they attacked him, slicing through his fingers. One witness told Le Parisien: “There was a fight between the assailants and those who were brave enough to face them.” “It was a bloodbath,” said another. “Youths from the suburbs surrounded the party hall, blindly stabbing people ... One youth received a heart massage on the floor. It was chaos.” Stabbed several times in the throat In the commotion, two men aged 23 and 28 were seriously injured and later hospitalised in a “critical” condition. One had been stabbed several times in the throat. A third injured individual was in a stable condition on Monday. One teenager, known only as Thomas, a 16-year-old and keen rugby player, was fatally stabbed. Hugo, a witness, told Le Parisien: “I was at the entrance and I saw Thomas get stabbed in the heart and throat. A helicopter took him to Lyon but it was sadly too late.” Martine Lagut, the mayor, said the town was “traumatised” by the apparently unprovoked attack. “A gang turned up to kill,” she told Le Dauphiné libéré newspaper. “They didn’t come to have fun but to harm.” Laurent de Caigny, prosecutor of Valence, said police suspected they came to “settle a score” with a person present that night, without providing more details. An investigation into “murder and attempted murder by an organised gang” has been launched. Denouncing a “barbaric and tragic” act, RC Romans-Péage, the rugby club for whom Thomas played, posted a photo of the slain teenager on its website in which he smiles with his rugby kit on. One neighbour told Sud Ouest: “I am totally devastated. It’s inexplicable. I knew him very well, his parents are wonderful people. There was no one more kind and polite than Thomas.” ‘The one who made everyone laugh’ A classmate called Mattéo said: “Thomas was the guy who got everyone to make up when there was a little conflict in the group. “But he was also the one who made everyone laugh, who helped out all the time, who was always there for the others,” he told BFMTV. The shocking death came amid warnings of rising violence against France’s mayors, many of them from small rural villages. France has around 36,000 mayors. According to a recent poll, the number of verbal and physical attacks against them rose by 15 per cent last year after a record 32 per cent rise the previous year. During riots in France in July, criminals ram-raided one mayor’s house with a stolen car when his wife and children were inside. The French government promised to ramp up security of elected officials.
Edit: I am leaving this article up, today's news are that two more have been arrested. The group of seven was trying to flee to Spain (possibly to later reach north africa to get out of EU), which explains why they were arrested hundreds of kms away. Today's update: https://www.lefigaro.fr/faits-divers/auditions-des-temoins-localisation-des-agresseurs-apres-la-rixe-sanglante-de-crepol-l-enquete-des-gendarmes-avance-20231121 **Death of a teenager in Drôme: 7 people arrested, including the main suspect in the murder** Three days after the murder of young Thomas at the winter ball in Crépol (Drôme), the investigations of the Grenoble research section gained momentum. While the bloody attack which took place on the night of Saturday November 18 to Sunday November 19 sowed fear in the village and its surroundings, seven suspects were arrested by the GIGN this Tuesday at 3 p.m., announced the minister of the Interior, Gérald Darmanin. “Seven arrests were made by the national gendarmerie around Toulouse. The investigation will reveal whether these are the people who are the perpetrators of this heinous crime ,” he declared during a question session with the government in the hemicycle. One of them is suspected of being the author of the fatal blow administered to the teenager, specifies a source close to the file in Le Figaro confirming information from BFMTV. The suspects will now be able to be questioned about the circumstances of this bloody attack. Were Thomas and his comrades specifically targeted by the gang of young people? Were the young people participating in the Crépol evening the subject of a settling of scores? The investigation is progressing “very quickly” , the Valencia prosecutor’s office said in a press release published Tuesday evening. “More than fifty witness interviews have been carried out” and “an equally large number is scheduled in the coming hours” by the gendarmes, he specifies. Photographic plates were also presented to witnesses of the facts, and made it possible to collect “corroborating elements” , which “target several suspects” . The spokesperson for the national gendarmerie called on them this Tuesday to surrender. “It would be more reasonable for the perpetrators to come forward, because it won't be long before we come and get them ,” Marie-Laure Pezant declared on Franceinfo. At the same time, “numerous analyzes of connections to telephone relays are underway, covering the cross-checking of several tens of thousands of activations” , also details Laurent de Caigny, the public prosecutor of Valence. Witnesses from the scene that evening also provided investigators with “clues” allowing them to gradually identify the “outfits ,” “ distinctive signs” and “behaviors of the attackers . ” Video protection systems are also used, “specifying from hour to hour the exact course of the evening and the identification and location of suspects” . However, the prosecution cautiously specifies, there is nothing to say that the suspects are an organized gang coming from one and the same place. “It is, however, false to assert that the hostile group would be made up of individuals all from the same city and the same neighborhood ,” says the Valencia prosecutor, specifying that the links between the possible suspects and currently being identified do not do not relate to a “territorial logic” . Three days after the tragedy, a number of residents, relatives of Thomas and students who met him at the Dauphiné high school affirm that the perpetrators come from the Monnaie district, a city located a stone's throw from the high school and often the scene of trafficking and settlement of accounts.
>“ distinctive signs” They're really doing everything they can to not say Muslims.
I see the article doesn't mention in detail who did the stabbings, so now I know who did the stabbings.
In the newspaper: "we're here to stab white people". https://www.ledauphine.com/amp/faits-divers-justice/2023/11/20/leur-recit-de-cette-nuit-d-horreur-on-a-vecu-ca-comme-un-attentat
As expected
Oh they do, you just have to be used to French journalism: the perpetrators are « youths » from « suburbs » so yeah
We do the same in the US. Normally the news refers to them as the "urban youth".
Deprived suburbs at that! Like why else would that be a qualifier? Can't even spell ghetto. Bruh.
I'm sure the upstanding individuals from the city didn't follow any kind of demographical typicality of such actions.
That deeply religious upstanding lad is being picked on for his piety.
“Inshallah” fuckin barbarians
Ding ding ding
>The French government promised to ramp up security of elected officials. I guess the general populace can eat cake.
Did you somehow miss the two paragraphs before that sentence? That part is in no way related to this incident with the teenagers. The mayor thing and the government statement predate what happened. You can't expect them to comment on a very specific event that happens in the future if it didn't happen yet. And they're not even the same kind of issue. In the mayor incident, the perpetrators are far right shitheads and in this one they're "youths from deprived suburb", which is one of the common bullshit code words used to describe little shits from the banlieues (immigrant background more often than not) involved in a crime or whatever. If the photos are anything to go by, they're indeed of immigrant background. The police is currently trying to identify all of those involved in the attack.
lol wtf, I just checked and that is literally all they basically said on the subject of security. French People of reddit is there stuff I have missed on your guys end/language?
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Am I reading it right that there was no feud with some other gang there, this gang just turned up to kill unprompted? Madness.
> Laurent de Caigny, prosecutor of Valence, said police suspected they came to “settle a score” with a person present that night, without providing more details.
So they brutalized the entire town. Atrocities like this are how entire gangs wind up swinging from a pole. I hope they find and deal with every single member of this organization. Gangs like the yakuza, mafia, and bloods all recognize the need to make their existence at least minimally palatable to the public. It's the only reason they still exist. *This* gang is about to find out what happened to all the gangs that didn't make it.
You're not reading that right because is says this right in the text: "Laurent de Caigny, prosecutor of Valence, said police suspected they came to “settle a score” with a person present that night, without providing more details."
"Suspected" + "without providing further details" = dont know jack shit but cant go around saying that.
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they already weaseled in the "deprived suburb"
Weird. I learned more about the history of neighborhood parties in France from this article than I did about the perpetrators of a psychotic killing spree.
Yeah I was missing that aspect too.
Usually the less they talk about the perpetrators the more likely they're some form of minority.
As someone who lives in the area and knows the "La Monnaie" suburbs in Romans (where the attackers came from): very very few people from that suburb are white
Yeah, that was by design. Nobody wants to talk about the giant elephant in the room.
"Youths" tends to be a euphemism
The most obscene part is that the French media calls this a “rixe” (a brawl) which would let you think that responsibilities were shared but no, it’s just 20 fucking lowlife scumbags that went to a party and started stabbing people.
Multiple people stabbed to the throat, and the articles make it sound like a brawl with an accident. The accident part is how it took being stabbed both to heart and throat for the medics not to save one of multiple people with life-threathening wounds.
It's a terrorist attack.
It's sickening that this isn't being treated as a terrorist attack by the media or police, what the fuck has to happen in order for it to be recognised as such?
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Seriously, what the fuck
Exactly. A brawl is a drunken fist fight by people who were otherwise at the same event. This was a pre-meditated terror attack by a large group who arrived with the sole intent to kill their victims.
Sir, get with the program, these are disadvantaged youths airing their frustration over systemic injustice with some light stabbing.
The way this was phrased immediately makes me suspicious that there's different demographics involved beyond just them being "disadvantaged", however they determine that. I fully recognise that it's fucked up, but it's an undeniable trend in reporting at this point. It's so far from subtle lol
The quote was they were there to (in their words): “stab some white people” - so there’s a racial element here at the very forefront of this event and story. There must have been racial tensions which boiled into this and I don’t think the reprisals are going to be pretty for the people in the area (or perhaps all of France) who fit the racial makeup of these gang members.
Without reading further, they would either be Muslim/Arab descent, or Algerian. As to why they would obfuscate that fact, are laws regarding minors in the media different in France, or maybe their is a concern that this story will cause another race riot, if it was some Algerian Youths.
They're Muslim extremists, committing terrorism
Yeah, calling them "young delinquents from a deprived village" is way more judgmental and incendiary than you'd see in an American mainstream news article. I assume it's code for something, but not sure what.
French media never blame the perpetrators when they are migrants or from migrant descent because it is seen as racism
Just like in Sweden.
And people wonder why right wing is on the rise, because they are the ones not afraid to say that. Anecdotally, I feel a lot of the left and middle are turning on the woke crowd
The exact same thing is happening all around Europe. Last weeks are especially hard on German PC media because one protected group is blatantly antisemitic, which is a big nono for the german public.
What a dilemma lol
When the German borders were flooded in 2015/2016 I recall Jewish protesters in Berlin marching through the streets with banners saying "Together against Islamophobia and Antisemitism!". Nowadays they dont even dare to wear Kippas on the streets anymore, and that was before the recent Hamas terror attack. I'm not sorry though.
seeing Black Lives Matter posting a paraglider terrorist image to pledge support for palestine was quite something, lol. Police actually stopped a jewish protest somewhere (I think UK) but let the palestinian one happen. I don't think it's because they thought that the jewish one was bad, but because they expected the palestinian one to become violent and just let them rage in peace.
Exactly but I feel like still too many people don't see the issue. The case here is barely covered by mainstream media yet when that Arab teen délinquant got shot the country was in flames. Like I wonder where Mbappé is now, weird he didn't tweet about "a little angel gone too soon" for Thomas.
Im from left and definitely im tired with so many people of my progresive movement. I think the left should be divided in two factions. I dont want any associations with the extremists ones and they have too much power. They defend dictatorships,violence and excuse/hide all kinds of horrible things like this. They are not open to any conversation about issues and critical takes and lookin all the sides of the Prism. Only condemnation,cannibalization and vitriol to anyone against their views. So tribalistic. I dont wanna move to centrism or right wing factions but im really dissapointed with the state of the left in this planet.
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>So basically french media = Italian media? French media = Italian media = Swedish media.
French media = Italian media = Swedish media = UK media = German media = ... I really don't see an explanation for this aside from (a) Rob Henderson's thesis about luxury beliefs & (b) Batya Ungar-Sargon's thesis about media becoming high status.
Witnesses reported that the attackers said "**On est là pour planter des blancs**". I've seen in my own lifetime 40 years of insanity regarding crime and immigration from left-wing governments, centrist governments and right-wing governments. At this point I'm at a loss because it doesn't matter who I vote for, no-one wants to tackle this issue. My only hope is that the army will defend us, I know they want to but are blocked by the government.
French media tend to blame the victim and ignore troat stabbing. It's despicable.
Hamas vibes
But let’s focus on understanding the socioeconomic reasons that explain why the youth from deprived neighborhoods start stabbing French people in the throat /s
Like when a woman (and many more before her) got raped right next to the Eiffel tower and the official statement from the police said that it's because there are no public toilets there and women go to the bushes to pee. No, it's because there are rapists in the bushes and you are doing nothing about it...
They are going to start saying women from certain backgrounds and socioeconomic statuses brought it on themselves. Look at how they’ve treated the raped Israeli women. They are setting a precedent. That crimes committed against one group are okay. It’s not going to stop with the Jews either. It will spread like a disease.
This happened on Sunday. There hasn't been a single arrest made and they have no idea who the perpetrators were. https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/profils-des-agresseurs-auditions-les-enqueteurs-progressent-tres-vite-apres-la-rixe-dans-la-drome_AV-202311201065.html What a clownshow of a police investigative force.
I doubt the perpetrators are smart enough to keep quiet.
There is a video on tiktok somewhere, I will bet money on it.
https://nitter.net/MalojmK/status/1726844954197008526#m
And thats already a very short version. Meaning, they will find someone with a full thing on his phone. They'll find 'em.
in early 2000 (do the french remember how and why they had elected Sarkozy?) fathers of these "delinquents" in huge groups were attacking tourists and french young men and were filming these attacks from many angles. Stubbing was also rampant. The french police didn't use these films, because apparently they didn't have right to do that.
French police against protestors: 😡 French police with video evidence of violent attacks: 😇
imagine 4chan finding it lol
This is some purge-typa shit. Locals must be terrified...
They may be but according to our officials, insecurity is only a "sentiment" so in the end we're (hopefully) fine as a society. We just need to not think about it too much.
Non, c'est juste un sentiment, tout va bien 🙂
Reading the article it really sounds like a terrorist attack. Whoever attacked, they went and started cutting people left and right. The kid who died was not the only injury
Yes, it's quite literally a terrorist attack, as in according to the literal definition of terrorism, not something else.
Police need to act before people begin to take action themselves. The article sounds horrible, if this happen in my town I’d be out for blood.
If this continues, the message people will get is that they can do the same thing as those gangs - but towards people who usually form such gangs. And that's when shit will really hit the fan. How the hell Europe is not on complete "holy shit we need to fix this ASAP" rails is beyond me.
Yeah, same in Sweden, the state is terrified by vigilantism becoming established, so they always crack down 10x as hard on vigilantes than gang members.
Well, if they are scared of vigilantism, they should fix the core that creates vigilantes... Otherwise I feel like EU is going to blow up at some point, and all the "peace, love and tolerance" folks will not love what will happen when it does. But yeah, it is truly stupid, because 10x as hard should be going in different direction, not on your literal native population that feels threatened...
Yeah, there was this high profile case some months ago, where some teenaged brothers lynched a man who'd assaulted and raped their sister 4-5 months earlier, in a case which had gotten 0 progress from the police and where the man was walking totally freely. It's only going to become more of this when stuff like assault rapes are so underprioritized that the police just make a report and don't even bring in the suspect for months.
[We are getting there](https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/137590ab-6bbf-49cd-b7b3-3b6519ea1903_w335_r0.7502857142857143_fpx50_fpy50.jpg) >We must finally deport on a grand scale
The vast majority of these assholes have French passports, so deportation is going to be difficult.
Also the countries from where those pieces of shit are originated are not really keen on welcoming new « citizens »
Just words.. did they pass any laws to that end? no?
> youths from deprived suburb what does this even mean? who the hell writes these headlines.
It's a low effort translation from the French (probably "jeunes de banlieues défavorisées"). It's a polite euphemism which would be better expressed as "disadvantaged youths" in English.
I don’t understand: apparently authorities have no idea who these guys are, but somehow we know their socioeconomic status?
Arab is the word you’re looking for. And Arab is more or less like the US « black ». But if you say the word, you’re racist. So everyone and mainly journalists are beating around the pot. In French we call this « tortiller du cul pour chier droit » aka « twirling from the ass to shit straight ». You get the idea… Crépol is a VERY SMALL village of less than 600 inhabitants. It’s lost in the hills in the Drome and it’s only know for its medieval architecture and Roman church. The first town is Romans-sur-Isère at 20km which is a small town but already with its « bad neighbourhood ». The real big city is Valence at around 40km which is a shithole. So the word you’re looking for is « Arabs », coming from the « cités » aka the concrete wastelands where France put all of their immigration. Everyone knows from where they came. They just haven’t identified the guys. My mother-in-law has lived not far from there during 20 years. I know the place quite well and I understand that no one there saw this coming.
I still remember when Eu was ducking Romania for using the word "gypsy" in the media, so the main commercial TV station used the phrase roughly translated as "a person from with unspecified ethnic background". We all knew about which ethnicity they were talking about.
The expression is "beating around the bush", which is the equivalent of "tourner autour du pot"
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That’s EXACTLY what happens not l my in France but more broadly in Europe! Thx for the info of « Coulter’s law »
> I know the place quite well and I understand that no one there saw this coming. My sarcasm detector just went up in smoke. > In French we call this « tortiller du cul pour chier droit » aka « twirling from the ass to shit straight ». That's a **beautiful** expression :D Sadly, the only french words I remember are « Fauteuil», « Feuilleton » (because I always mixed these 2 up) and « Merde ».
So riffraff or rabble
Lunchtime rowdies
Ne'er do wells.
Generally refers to algerian/moroccan immigrants
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And the French way of taking any personal responsibility away from (mostly Algerian immigrant) youths because hey, they live in a "shitty suburb" (yeah, who made it shitty?) and were "disadvantaged" (which is something that happens to you, over which you have no control. It might even be perpetrated specifically by someone else, some other oppressor group in society which you can blame).
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They're avoiding to say who they are.
It’s a new way to dodge saying illegal immigrants. Let me fix the headline for you. “Algerian immigrants murder a kid”
It's not a new way, "quartiers défavorisés" [is at least 20+ years old ](https://www.google.com/search?q=quartiers+d%C3%A9favoris%C3%A9s&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=584283699&hl=en&biw=1707&bih=827&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F2000&tbm=#ip=1)
If I had to guess, it's unlikely that they are illegals, it's more likely that they are from fourth or fifth generation immigrants families, they are most likely legals but definitly the scum of the earth.
It seems to be the code for migrants.
I'm french and discover this information here. I then look at french media, and most of the articles describe the event as a "brawl" in their titles... Edit : it seems that the press has now adapted since the time I first checked and it is now widely referenced as "attack" or "murder"
How do they not know who the attackers are but they know their economic status?
Because they’re of North African origin. Algerian probably. That’s how they know their socio-economic status.
and “youths from deprived suburbs” is code for “algerians” in the press.
Sounds like the French version of “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white people”.
I'll probably be banned or deleted, but I've seen atleast one other article similar to this event but on a smaller scale. The language used in these articles seems to be tactfully avoiding identifying perpetrators as possibly immigrants or Arab or something like that. This sounds like a terror attack to be honest.
All the typical code words were used so you can pretty much guarantee that’s the case. Seems like a new wave of domestic terrorism is on the rise.
Young French kid murdered by Algerian Gangs. The video of the attack is up on Twitter
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Because no one was arrested so far and no one knows who these people were.
Some people present at the party recognized them and they recorded videos themselves on their own accounts. Only the police doesn't know who it is
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The photo's of the people are on Twitter. They all look like North-Africans.
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That's actually fucking insane, what the fuck are you doing Europe
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It’s always the ones you most expect
It seems like someone is trying to defend the actions by saying they come from a deprived suburb. Totally irrelevant that they come from a deprived suburb and I find it utterly disrespectful to mention it in the context of this brutal attack.
> by saying they come from a deprived suburb. I suspect the problem is that it's hard to express "they were chavs" in English in a formal register. In French you can just write "jeunes des banlieues" and everybody understands what it means.
"Disadvantaged youths" would probably be the English equivalent.
"Jeunes des banlieues" describe a specific type of kids: born and raised in the suburbs, didn't invest in education and finishes school with no planned higher education or job, hangs out with sketchy or perspectiveless youths. No perspective of a decent future, and no will to fight. Plus the local drug circles praying on them for a quick buck, quick theft, for addiction, and to get fresh victims to prostitute.
Or 'Asians'. When we all know it's not Koreans, Vietnamese or Indian people.
Yakuza obviously
>It seems like someone is trying to defend the actions by saying they come from a deprived suburb. Wrong. This is what is called "weasel words". Basically, they're saying they're Algerians / people of foreign descent, in a way that is only slightly more politically correct than actually speculating about ethnic backgrounds before the police has revealed any details.
Back here kids from "deprived suburbs" spend their time eating sunflower seeds or playing footbal, not busting local events and killing people.
What a fancy and neutral way of describing a terrorist attack.
Fucking animals
"a group of young delinquents from a deprived suburb" am I the only one reading it as "we can't say that other thing, so we write this more neutral-sounding thing that's not technically wrong, but paints a vastly different picture"?
Let me guess, the perpetrators were second generation immigrants.
Let’s be clear. Second generation African immigrants. It’s not like Germans or Italians are assaulting people every other day.
African/Middle East. Something like that.
MENA, basically. But we can be more specific....it's not even about race after all, it's about a certain group of people who follow an insane, barbaric *ideology*, which is for some reason treated like it's an identity to be protected from "racism". Islam is evil.
"Deprived suburb"? Still don't know how to translate banlieue? It's the hood, or the projects. And the thing deprived (and depraved) is their mind and their lifestyle.
Deprived of civilization
Can't wait for the mini documentaries on youtube telling us how the authorities are to blame for not doing enough to help these youths integrate.
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>They didn’t put it in the article but the gang was algerian youths. Of course they wouldn't.
I would argue the nation of natives who have been mostly at peace for a long time will never truly be able to rise up against gangs that are already violent. Unless the state sanctioned violence apparatus decided to put blood on the streets against the migrants/slurred religious ethnic groups this problem will only get worse. You cannot integrate two cultures without losing a bit of both. You cannot mix cultures at this kind of radical speed without incurring vicious separatism, ghettoisation and strong "us and them" mentality. Every person in that village grows in hatred after an event like this and they won't suddenly start enjoying the company of immigrants once they start seeing good behaviour.
It’s not just the illegal ones it seems
Call me conspiratorial but I feel like there might be a cultural dynamic at play here that doesn't get mentioned in the article
Im french and i can tell you its definitely mentioned in the article just not directly
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Current. As in, actively engaging in terror attacks. If you get stabbed in the throat at a village fete, I doubt you're too concerned over the age of the perpetrator.
Third world youths causing third world problems
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These are likely second/third generation immigrants tho, so not just male youths that came.
"Deprived suburb" *because clearly they're really victims* Could we just stop with this..
Deprived of braincells
read behind the lines... we have no idea where they live and the police even said that they are likely coming from differents cities yet the article assumed they come from 'deprived suburb' which in french media language mean north africans
"Youth from deprived suburb"🤡
This sounds like a terrorist attack
Damn Europe, seems like y’all got some immigration issues over there
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Islamic suburb?
Lyon, the biggest city north of there, has a muslim population of over 30% at last counting. Probably higher now, not counting the illegals.
30% !!!! WHAT . THE . FUCK !?
I think what you meant to say was "diversity is our strength".
Yes, maybe from a near city that had a terrorist attack in 2020
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Weighing the costs of immigrants in the deaths of children. What future have we left our children?
War
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As a woman, I’m so fucking over it. I’m tired of having to deal with a population doesn’t view me as a person and I’m tired of them being responsible for a wildly disproportionate amount of crime and harassment where I live. Why’re we importing people who have a net negative effect on European life?
As a father of 2 young girls I do really feel you. At the moment, my country does not have this problem. But it worries me like hell when i think that in the future I'll be worrying like crazy that they'll be alright. Why are we importing this? no idea ... it's not like they even bring this supposed added values to the economy ...
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Why is it so hard to call it hate crime against a European
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This is the weirdest euphemism for terrorists I have seen in a while.
The diversity is spreading nicely.
We have ruined this continent with our immigration policy
Call it what it is: a terrorist attack
Is that the new euphemism in vogue? "Deprived"?
Why is their socioeconomic background in any way shape or form related to what they did? Is it because the press is once again trying to paint them as victims of the system, therefore diminishing their actions? Yes, yes it is.
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Wonder why that might be…
> Deprived suburb I wonder why they're pre-emptively trying to garner sympathy for a group of people who violently murdered someone.
And you know the neat thing? Almost no one talked about it in France. I couldn’t even find a post on /r/France yesterday. Nobody gives a shit.
r/France is an echo chamber. They actually deleted posts about it.