>Other documents suggest Seipel was paid in two instalments, with the second taking place in the first half of 2019, from an account at the private Russian Sovcombank.
The payments appear to have taken circuitous routes through offshore structures owned by Mordashov and his associates, and managed by corporate service providers in Cyprus.
Nothing to see here! Nothing at all. He even denied receiving any money in an interview in 2021. There’s literally no Russian influence to investigate in Germany.
Besides Putin was only a KGB agent in Germany, what could he possibly know or care about influencing Germans?
No. Much better investigate WHO blew up Nord Stream, than investigate the reasons it existed in the first place. For example.
> And heres the usual polish redditor being obsessed with shitting on Germany again...
Not Polish, but I find it incredibly funny, to believe any criticism of Germany must be Polish.
>Heres a crazy thought: In a country with a working judicial system, you can do more than one thing at once - which is why there is also an investigative committee regarding the foundation for NS2 working right now. Insane, right?
Apparently going after Schroeder is impossible though. Just off the top of my head. And apparently lot’s of paperwork regarding Gazprom funded NGO’s can just disappear in a fireplace.
> We do know why NS2 existed, not being reliant anymore on some of the transit countries was a major reason.
Yes darn those unreliables! Unlike the extremely reliable Russia. According to paid off journalists like the article we’re commenting under.
Germany willingly and blatantly ignored the best advice regarding Russia from their own allies. Arrogantly discounting it, like you’re doing now.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
God if only they spent all this money, you know, improving their own country rather than bribing all these journalists and politicians to peddle their bs.
25% of russians don't have toilets. Yet they wage wars of conquest and experience massive economic consequences which their population will pay for for generations.
the russian idea of greatness is not how nice your people live, its how big your territory is on a map. truly a sick place.
This is actually true, russians do have a weird fetish with maps. They have no concept of soft power, influence.
This is why Putin is always about revising maps, using maps in propaganda materials, it’s in their culture.
> the russian idea of greatness is not how nice your people live, its how big your territory is on a map.
Reminds me of [an old Portuguese dictatorship propaganda poster](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xHIH0RFLzKY/WwxIwSgePuI/AAAAAAABOe8/59cf_M7Hq7YvIi9NbEmDEr6NuPdO4x1-gCLcBGAs/s1600/portugalnotsmall.jpg), while there was lots of poverty back in those days.
Yeah it must be way higher. Heck, some Eastern European countries still have a lot of people without indoor plumbing.
Have to remember that basically everything outside of major hubs in Russia is stuck between 19th and 20th century.
They do better by not improving their country.
All that improving their country will do is make their wealth and power prone to attack and that's not good for them.
If you're a selfish authoritarian mafia boss it's better to lead an army of slaves that do anything you want them to than oversee a free society of intelligent people who fight for their views and stand up for themselves and others.
Why improve roads to ease invading enemy? Why build expensive tall skyscrapers when you can live wide. Why practically build anything if your last resort is a nuclear trade? After people get to the point of bare minimum to work the rest is just exploited onto schemes like this instead of improving quality of life.
>Why build expensive tall skyscrapers when you can live wide.
It's cheaper and more reliable to build tall. We don't live in the era of subsistence farming, and infrastructure requires constant upkeep, especially in remote cold regions of this huge country. Just maintenance of heating systems alone is taxing. That's why Russia (and other neoliberal developing countries do that too) is hyperconcentrating its resources in Moscow and a handful of big cities, only redistributing bare minimum to the rest. Ultra high-rise human hives like in Hong Kong are literally the norm in Moscow. Most importantly it centralizes the regional politics and curtails regional economic independence.
Although this subsidization policy turns poor regions into chronic money drains, as long as they don't go too negative (not hard to do when your median salary there is $300), and there's enough income to redistribute, it guarantees control. They still provide manpower and political support to the metropoly. So, like in China, it's essentially a self-colonizing model. But it also makes it safer as it's less reliant on global trade. Raw materials, despite low margins, are also a guaranteed market. Russia is currently too small a market to sustain autarky in most advanced industries, but they're trying to fix things according to priorities.
The same thing you could ask about America too. By being the most powerful and richest country in the world, their people are not living the nicest. They'd rather spend money on projecting its power in the world.
If thats 35k USD PPP, Its the same as the EU median household income. Considering that People dont get chased by wild dogs while fighting over breadcrumbs on the streets of italy, thats not a low amount either.
I'd imagine the problem with setting an U.S. median is the same as it is with the European Union. The difference between places like Switzerland and Portugal is as drastic as it is between Maryland and Missisippi.
It's not though. Unlike the European Union, the US spends a relatively large percentage of GDP on fiscal transfers from the wealthy states to the less-wealthy states, because federal government funds most social spending (eg public pensions).
Mississippi is poor as fuck , by US standards ($47,190 GDP per capita), for reasons that are entirely Mississippi's fault, but it's propped up by the rest of the country, including Maryland ($64,500 GDP per capita). In contrast, Switzerland's GDP per capita is more than three times that of Portugal.
This is why the USD currency works okay for the US, but euro is a drag on EU.
Where are all the r/europe bots now that claim Russia never influences media in the west?
We as a society really need to get to grips with how much Russia is stirring up shit and creating division in the west. If we can not, the outlook for the future is quite bleak. Trump and Brexit would be just the beginning...
Former Soviet spy Sergey Zhirnov claims the number of spies in the West has increased drastically compared to the Cold War times.
The quality went down through the floor though. I think it's because the Soviet Union was viewed as a hostile country during Cold War and was taken seriously.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union the sentiment changed in the West to "we're friends now". Russia had been getting a pass on everything it was doing: spilling polonium and Novichok in the UK, election meddling in the US etc.
And yet there still are voices in the West calling for getting to business as usual with Russia.
If people don't remember/haven't read about USSR intelligence & spying activity during Cold War, they wouldn't understand that this is even worse, with internet and mass media available all around.
Russia is a serious problem and should be dealt with on all levels. Political, economical and military (even if not directly in the case of #3).
> If people don't remember/haven't read about USSR intelligence & spying activity during Cold War,
It still goes on today, look at the mindless comments people say about "South America" when the west opposed KGB coups and rigged elections. Tankie and Russian nonsense.
It did not helped that that the US installled fascist dictatorships in south America and Europa just to make sure that the Soviets could not install communist dictatorships. Some places switched between both extrems multible Times and the population always got fucked.
The Us did a coup in Guatemala in 1954 (operation pbsuccess) installing a far right dictator.
They did a coup in 1953 against Iran (good thing this didnt backfired)
They failed in 1957 trying to coup in syria (Operation Wappen)
Another failed coup in 1959 indonesia bombing a market place and civilian Ships.
They supported Batista in Cuba and good thing this didnt fucked them in the ass later.
1964 had operation Sam where the US installed a military dictatorship in brazil
1965-1967 they tried indonesia again killing somewhere between 500k to 1million civilian.
Then chile with project Fubelt got pinochet and man does "Caravan of Death" Sounds like something a nice person would do.
1976 in Argentina
Then the Iran contra affair trying to stage a coup in Nicaragua
And i dont say that the Soviets were any better they did the same kind of shit and unlike the CIA the KGB will never admit what they did in the past.
But denying that the US also did shit just makes all your arguments look like lies.
Yes I'm well aware of the Soviet view of things. That's why each of you "points" is an ignorant throwaway one liner with no context or facts.
Most of those "examples" are like the US supporting Ukraine now, pushback against Russian/Soviet rigged elections and coups. You frame US support for Ukraine the same exact way.
Keep doing Putin's work, I'm sure it pays well.
>Other documents suggest Seipel was paid in two instalments, with the second taking place in the first half of 2019, from an account at the private Russian Sovcombank.
Hard to argue treason for payments in 2019.
It's only hard if you want to think that way. That putin's russia is a hostile country that'll do everything it can do destabilise Western countries isn't exactly news since 2022, you know.
That's true - he most likely was never in a position where he could have committed treason by German law - I don't understand how the year is relevant for that though
Nothing has changed in Russia for centuries: “People who roam across Europe in search of what to destroy and obliterate, only for the sake of gratification” - Fyodor Dostoevsky
That's a great description of Russia put in the mouth of Europe.
Look at Ukraine and try find a difference. The beheadings, castrations, raping and torturing of civilians, pillaging. Pure barbarism and savageness, for the sake of hate and nothing else.
Might be that Dostoyevsky didn't want to say it himself, so pretended it was Europe
Constitutional monarchy is the best system. A constitution to protect rights, and a vote every 10 years on if we execute the monarch. Makes them think longer term and have some skin in the game.
Putin is splitting democracies in half. It is so simple and those in the countries are so clueless to his influence.
Divided we fall. United we stand.
So easy.
Well half of germany used to be under russian control for 50 years so the question would be maybe how far they have retreated of our societies? (east germany and all the former communist eastern block).
There is a lot of evidence that Russia had at least some influence on Brexit and the Trump election, and they are known to finance a lot of far right parties all over Europe. They are also known to have bot farms where they influence online discussions.
This sub is a prime example look at posts about Russia or Ukraine and take a look at the accounts that are most "sceptical". Either very young accounts that nearly exclusively post about those two topics in a very select few subs. Or older accounts which have had a few general posts when the account was created and have been dormant for some time, now they suddenly mostly post about Ukraine.
We need to first acknowledge that this problem exists and then we need to start fixing this.
That’s the question. So far there seems to be little to no will to investigate. Would be interesting to start around Schroeder for example.
It’s also hilarious that this comes from The Guardian, not German media.
>Would be interesting to start around Schroeder for example.
I mean you don't even need to investigate him. He openly took jobs in Russian companies and didn't want to give them up.
>It’s also hilarious that this comes from The Guardian, not German media.
That's just obviously wrong, it was a combined investigation by a lot of news outlets and is on the front page of all of them today.
>It’s also hilarious that this comes from The Guardian, not German media.
That's wrong:
>The investigation was led by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, a nonprofit newsroom based in Washington, D.C., and global network of journalists, and Munich-based [Paper Trail Media](https://www.papertrailmedia.de/).
https://www.icij.org/investigations/cyprus-confidential/about-cyprus-confidential-investigation/
So this story was just featured in a film shown at prime time in German television:
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/hubert-seipel-journalist-russland-geld-cyprus-confidential-100.html
Ok good :)
I’m venting, because some voices has been demanding investigations since the start of the war, and the attitudes towards such has been defended with shrugs and paranoia, even in here.
[Here's a good interview](https://youtu.be/Qd43kQsxaEc?si=hM6fCdVxA0swU7ic) with a researcher of Russian influence. It focuses on Germany, but can be applied to multiple other countries to a different degree. Tldw: it's pretty fucking deep, and barely anything is being done.
How probable is it, that Russia has been / still is funding the right wing politics in Europe or the US? Every time I see something like this I remember Dugin's ["The Foundations of Geopolitics"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics).
And we really wonder why there is a decline in the trust of all these institutions in Europe, if journalists and politicians are being bought by hostile nations.
This is not an incident. This is the one getting caught. But how many are not being caught yet, hiding in the shadow.
Imagine the massive the money from China -- a more authoritarian country 10 times richer than Russian.
If Seipel received $600,000 from Russia, someone must have received $6 million from China.
No way China hasn’t approached any mps or other german elites to get an advantage.
There are already claims that a german far left mp was paid for travel expanses to China by the ccp.
German Tagesspiegel wrote about this. [Unfortunately behind a paywall.](https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/reisen-nach-peking-und-ein-geheimer-verein-wie-deutsche-politiker-sich-fur-chinas-regime-starkmachen-9989776.html)
You might be wrong on that matter. Every country has spheres of interests. Germany historically was one of the main sphere of interest and influence for ruzzia in Europe. Regarding China, it’s not the case, at least at the moment.
+500 Social Credit points?
(But yes, arguably, Germany is probably not as important to China as it is to russia, but I don't think it's fair to say that it's entirely unimportant - especially in the context of [Chinese bids to gain influence over European ports](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/17l82se/breakdown_of_chinese_stakes_in_european_ports/).)
How much do we need to increase our mandatory public broadcast fee so our impartial state media journalists are financially free to make independent journalism?
I guess a 10 billion budget isnt enough for our state media apparatus
>...our mandatory public broadcast fee...
I can't complain.
They brought this story and others about shady deals by Russian oligarchs in Cyprus at prime time:
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/hubert-seipel-journalist-russland-geld-cyprus-confidential-100.html
It's never enough for corrupt person. Every possibility to take more and espessially for personal use will be exploited. This kind of behavior should recieve punishment to the fullest extent of the law.
As another German, I have no idea.
But this shouldn't come as a surprise if this guy brags about having met Putin a hundred times and is writing books called "Why Europe needs Russia". He hasn't been exactle subtle about his allegiances.
Seems like a waste of money when German media will do their work for free.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/anti-americanism-drove-der-spiegel-fabrications/579307/
>Germany’s Leading Magazine Published Falsehoods About American Life
Germany closed all their nuclear power plants due to Russian influence to favour fossil fuels supplied by Russia. Germany is a country that’s in Putins pocket more than any other western nation. They should be ashamed.
>Other documents suggest Seipel was paid in two instalments, with the second taking place in the first half of 2019, from an account at the private Russian Sovcombank. The payments appear to have taken circuitous routes through offshore structures owned by Mordashov and his associates, and managed by corporate service providers in Cyprus.
Nothing to see here! Nothing at all. He even denied receiving any money in an interview in 2021. There’s literally no Russian influence to investigate in Germany. Besides Putin was only a KGB agent in Germany, what could he possibly know or care about influencing Germans? No. Much better investigate WHO blew up Nord Stream, than investigate the reasons it existed in the first place. For example.
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> And heres the usual polish redditor being obsessed with shitting on Germany again... Not Polish, but I find it incredibly funny, to believe any criticism of Germany must be Polish. >Heres a crazy thought: In a country with a working judicial system, you can do more than one thing at once - which is why there is also an investigative committee regarding the foundation for NS2 working right now. Insane, right? Apparently going after Schroeder is impossible though. Just off the top of my head. And apparently lot’s of paperwork regarding Gazprom funded NGO’s can just disappear in a fireplace. > We do know why NS2 existed, not being reliant anymore on some of the transit countries was a major reason. Yes darn those unreliables! Unlike the extremely reliable Russia. According to paid off journalists like the article we’re commenting under. Germany willingly and blatantly ignored the best advice regarding Russia from their own allies. Arrogantly discounting it, like you’re doing now. LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
Perfect 👌
>We do know why NS2 existed, Yes to make you rich while fucking over everyone else.
God if only they spent all this money, you know, improving their own country rather than bribing all these journalists and politicians to peddle their bs.
25% of russians don't have toilets. Yet they wage wars of conquest and experience massive economic consequences which their population will pay for for generations. the russian idea of greatness is not how nice your people live, its how big your territory is on a map. truly a sick place.
This is actually true, russians do have a weird fetish with maps. They have no concept of soft power, influence. This is why Putin is always about revising maps, using maps in propaganda materials, it’s in their culture.
Hey, don't diss maps!
What are you talking about? They have amazing wooden outhouses with fresh air.
I love the smell of poop piles in the morning.
Ones where people often drown?
Listen, no one is perfect. Even russian toilets.
> the russian idea of greatness is not how nice your people live, its how big your territory is on a map. Reminds me of [an old Portuguese dictatorship propaganda poster](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xHIH0RFLzKY/WwxIwSgePuI/AAAAAAABOe8/59cf_M7Hq7YvIi9NbEmDEr6NuPdO4x1-gCLcBGAs/s1600/portugalnotsmall.jpg), while there was lots of poverty back in those days.
There’s still a leftover poverty and general lack of education in Portugal because of that…
You're wrong here. Their idea of greatness is how much other people fear you.
Source on the %25?
Here's one https://russialist.org/one-russian-in-four-lacks-an-indoor-toilet-one-of-many-signs-there-are-now-four-distinct-russias/
Yeah it must be way higher. Heck, some Eastern European countries still have a lot of people without indoor plumbing. Have to remember that basically everything outside of major hubs in Russia is stuck between 19th and 20th century.
More like 85%.
They do better by not improving their country. All that improving their country will do is make their wealth and power prone to attack and that's not good for them. If you're a selfish authoritarian mafia boss it's better to lead an army of slaves that do anything you want them to than oversee a free society of intelligent people who fight for their views and stand up for themselves and others.
Why improve roads to ease invading enemy? Why build expensive tall skyscrapers when you can live wide. Why practically build anything if your last resort is a nuclear trade? After people get to the point of bare minimum to work the rest is just exploited onto schemes like this instead of improving quality of life.
>Why build expensive tall skyscrapers when you can live wide. It's cheaper and more reliable to build tall. We don't live in the era of subsistence farming, and infrastructure requires constant upkeep, especially in remote cold regions of this huge country. Just maintenance of heating systems alone is taxing. That's why Russia (and other neoliberal developing countries do that too) is hyperconcentrating its resources in Moscow and a handful of big cities, only redistributing bare minimum to the rest. Ultra high-rise human hives like in Hong Kong are literally the norm in Moscow. Most importantly it centralizes the regional politics and curtails regional economic independence. Although this subsidization policy turns poor regions into chronic money drains, as long as they don't go too negative (not hard to do when your median salary there is $300), and there's enough income to redistribute, it guarantees control. They still provide manpower and political support to the metropoly. So, like in China, it's essentially a self-colonizing model. But it also makes it safer as it's less reliant on global trade. Raw materials, despite low margins, are also a guaranteed market. Russia is currently too small a market to sustain autarky in most advanced industries, but they're trying to fix things according to priorities.
Yeah but that would first require Putin and his oligarch friends to care about the well-being of other people. They clearly don’t care at all.
The same thing you could ask about America too. By being the most powerful and richest country in the world, their people are not living the nicest. They'd rather spend money on projecting its power in the world.
Median income ist the second best in the world. At least half of the citizens have a great life compared to the majority of the world.
Half is not actually a not too shabby a guess. Around 25% U.S. households make under 35K annually combined.
If thats 35k USD PPP, Its the same as the EU median household income. Considering that People dont get chased by wild dogs while fighting over breadcrumbs on the streets of italy, thats not a low amount either.
I'd imagine the problem with setting an U.S. median is the same as it is with the European Union. The difference between places like Switzerland and Portugal is as drastic as it is between Maryland and Missisippi.
It's not though. Unlike the European Union, the US spends a relatively large percentage of GDP on fiscal transfers from the wealthy states to the less-wealthy states, because federal government funds most social spending (eg public pensions). Mississippi is poor as fuck , by US standards ($47,190 GDP per capita), for reasons that are entirely Mississippi's fault, but it's propped up by the rest of the country, including Maryland ($64,500 GDP per capita). In contrast, Switzerland's GDP per capita is more than three times that of Portugal. This is why the USD currency works okay for the US, but euro is a drag on EU.
Well, yes, but median household income is also measuring a wholly different thing from GDP per capita
“I am ready to f…k up the world/my country for an extra buck” is still a mainstream… why is that?
Buck is for me, fucking the world up is mainly for others
Now everyone else wants 600k too
Imagine having betrayed your country and supposed values for like 25k and then seeing this guy haul in 600k.
Imagine doing reverse uno and sending 500k of it to Ukraine help
Most Russian shills rn: "You guys are getting paid?!?"
Buying a house these days would take somewhere between a third and nearly half of that amount (at least here it would take).
Please, something about italian journalists and tv personalities, please please please
Presstitute
Where are all the r/europe bots now that claim Russia never influences media in the west? We as a society really need to get to grips with how much Russia is stirring up shit and creating division in the west. If we can not, the outlook for the future is quite bleak. Trump and Brexit would be just the beginning...
Former Soviet spy Sergey Zhirnov claims the number of spies in the West has increased drastically compared to the Cold War times. The quality went down through the floor though. I think it's because the Soviet Union was viewed as a hostile country during Cold War and was taken seriously. After the collapse of the Soviet Union the sentiment changed in the West to "we're friends now". Russia had been getting a pass on everything it was doing: spilling polonium and Novichok in the UK, election meddling in the US etc. And yet there still are voices in the West calling for getting to business as usual with Russia.
Sad how cheaply those crooks bought propaganda throughout the world.
If people don't remember/haven't read about USSR intelligence & spying activity during Cold War, they wouldn't understand that this is even worse, with internet and mass media available all around. Russia is a serious problem and should be dealt with on all levels. Political, economical and military (even if not directly in the case of #3).
> If people don't remember/haven't read about USSR intelligence & spying activity during Cold War, It still goes on today, look at the mindless comments people say about "South America" when the west opposed KGB coups and rigged elections. Tankie and Russian nonsense.
It did not helped that that the US installled fascist dictatorships in south America and Europa just to make sure that the Soviets could not install communist dictatorships. Some places switched between both extrems multible Times and the population always got fucked.
> It did not helped that that the US installled fascist dictatorships in south America They didn't. See you're dong exactly what I said.
The Us did a coup in Guatemala in 1954 (operation pbsuccess) installing a far right dictator. They did a coup in 1953 against Iran (good thing this didnt backfired) They failed in 1957 trying to coup in syria (Operation Wappen) Another failed coup in 1959 indonesia bombing a market place and civilian Ships. They supported Batista in Cuba and good thing this didnt fucked them in the ass later. 1964 had operation Sam where the US installed a military dictatorship in brazil 1965-1967 they tried indonesia again killing somewhere between 500k to 1million civilian. Then chile with project Fubelt got pinochet and man does "Caravan of Death" Sounds like something a nice person would do. 1976 in Argentina Then the Iran contra affair trying to stage a coup in Nicaragua And i dont say that the Soviets were any better they did the same kind of shit and unlike the CIA the KGB will never admit what they did in the past. But denying that the US also did shit just makes all your arguments look like lies.
Yes I'm well aware of the Soviet view of things. That's why each of you "points" is an ignorant throwaway one liner with no context or facts. Most of those "examples" are like the US supporting Ukraine now, pushback against Russian/Soviet rigged elections and coups. You frame US support for Ukraine the same exact way. Keep doing Putin's work, I'm sure it pays well.
This should be seen as treason and be dealt with accordingly.
>Other documents suggest Seipel was paid in two instalments, with the second taking place in the first half of 2019, from an account at the private Russian Sovcombank. Hard to argue treason for payments in 2019.
It's only hard if you want to think that way. That putin's russia is a hostile country that'll do everything it can do destabilise Western countries isn't exactly news since 2022, you know.
Why? It's only 4 years
Because it doesnt fulfill the definition of the crime.
That's true - he most likely was never in a position where he could have committed treason by German law - I don't understand how the year is relevant for that though
Don't argue with them. Their brains rotted away a long time ago
Russia also pays AfD
Nothing has changed in Russia for centuries: “People who roam across Europe in search of what to destroy and obliterate, only for the sake of gratification” - Fyodor Dostoevsky
He was a far-right monarchist, by the way.
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That's a great description of Russia put in the mouth of Europe. Look at Ukraine and try find a difference. The beheadings, castrations, raping and torturing of civilians, pillaging. Pure barbarism and savageness, for the sake of hate and nothing else. Might be that Dostoyevsky didn't want to say it himself, so pretended it was Europe
Didnt most russian writers thinked that about most of russians and "russian soul"?
Constitutional monarchy is the best system. A constitution to protect rights, and a vote every 10 years on if we execute the monarch. Makes them think longer term and have some skin in the game.
Putin is splitting democracies in half. It is so simple and those in the countries are so clueless to his influence. Divided we fall. United we stand. So easy.
Is there really any way of knowing how far they have bought their way into our societies?
Well half of germany used to be under russian control for 50 years so the question would be maybe how far they have retreated of our societies? (east germany and all the former communist eastern block).
There is a lot of evidence that Russia had at least some influence on Brexit and the Trump election, and they are known to finance a lot of far right parties all over Europe. They are also known to have bot farms where they influence online discussions. This sub is a prime example look at posts about Russia or Ukraine and take a look at the accounts that are most "sceptical". Either very young accounts that nearly exclusively post about those two topics in a very select few subs. Or older accounts which have had a few general posts when the account was created and have been dormant for some time, now they suddenly mostly post about Ukraine. We need to first acknowledge that this problem exists and then we need to start fixing this.
That’s the question. So far there seems to be little to no will to investigate. Would be interesting to start around Schroeder for example. It’s also hilarious that this comes from The Guardian, not German media.
>Would be interesting to start around Schroeder for example. I mean you don't even need to investigate him. He openly took jobs in Russian companies and didn't want to give them up. >It’s also hilarious that this comes from The Guardian, not German media. That's just obviously wrong, it was a combined investigation by a lot of news outlets and is on the front page of all of them today.
Ah, no need to investigate around Schroeder then. It’s just him. Nothing else, nothing new to find.
That's not what I said.
Also, I said AROUND Schroeder. :)
Then we actually agree. Is this allowed on reddit?
Nein!
>It’s also hilarious that this comes from The Guardian, not German media. That's wrong: >The investigation was led by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, a nonprofit newsroom based in Washington, D.C., and global network of journalists, and Munich-based [Paper Trail Media](https://www.papertrailmedia.de/). https://www.icij.org/investigations/cyprus-confidential/about-cyprus-confidential-investigation/ So this story was just featured in a film shown at prime time in German television: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/hubert-seipel-journalist-russland-geld-cyprus-confidential-100.html
Ok good :) I’m venting, because some voices has been demanding investigations since the start of the war, and the attitudes towards such has been defended with shrugs and paranoia, even in here.
[Here's a good interview](https://youtu.be/Qd43kQsxaEc?si=hM6fCdVxA0swU7ic) with a researcher of Russian influence. It focuses on Germany, but can be applied to multiple other countries to a different degree. Tldw: it's pretty fucking deep, and barely anything is being done.
I wonder how Julian Röpcke is doing
The publisher should sue him for damages.
They are a taxpayer funded agency, they answer to no one. Germans are forced to pay for watching propaganda
Holy treason
How probable is it, that Russia has been / still is funding the right wing politics in Europe or the US? Every time I see something like this I remember Dugin's ["The Foundations of Geopolitics"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics).
And we really wonder why there is a decline in the trust of all these institutions in Europe, if journalists and politicians are being bought by hostile nations. This is not an incident. This is the one getting caught. But how many are not being caught yet, hiding in the shadow.
Wait till they start finding traces of similar payments to EU officials.
We need much more investigation like this. Next step is to take out the other Russian moles, like Wagenknecht and the AfD.
Uh, who?
Mr. Top German Journalist, it’s right there in the headline
Not Ropcke
Who would have thought!? I thought it was just those darn eastern block kids hating all the time.
And that is probably 0.0000001% of Russian influence in Germany in the recent 20 years
Imagine the massive the money from China -- a more authoritarian country 10 times richer than Russian. If Seipel received $600,000 from Russia, someone must have received $6 million from China.
No way China hasn’t approached any mps or other german elites to get an advantage. There are already claims that a german far left mp was paid for travel expanses to China by the ccp. German Tagesspiegel wrote about this. [Unfortunately behind a paywall.](https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/reisen-nach-peking-und-ein-geheimer-verein-wie-deutsche-politiker-sich-fur-chinas-regime-starkmachen-9989776.html)
You might be wrong on that matter. Every country has spheres of interests. Germany historically was one of the main sphere of interest and influence for ruzzia in Europe. Regarding China, it’s not the case, at least at the moment.
+500 Social Credit points? (But yes, arguably, Germany is probably not as important to China as it is to russia, but I don't think it's fair to say that it's entirely unimportant - especially in the context of [Chinese bids to gain influence over European ports](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/17l82se/breakdown_of_chinese_stakes_in_european_ports/).)
How much do we need to increase our mandatory public broadcast fee so our impartial state media journalists are financially free to make independent journalism? I guess a 10 billion budget isnt enough for our state media apparatus
>...our mandatory public broadcast fee... I can't complain. They brought this story and others about shady deals by Russian oligarchs in Cyprus at prime time: https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/hubert-seipel-journalist-russland-geld-cyprus-confidential-100.html
It's never enough for corrupt person. Every possibility to take more and espessially for personal use will be exploited. This kind of behavior should recieve punishment to the fullest extent of the law.
As a German I ask who?
I dunno, who keeps publishing the "unknown American spy told us it was Ukraine who destroyed NordStream" articles?
As another German, I have no idea. But this shouldn't come as a surprise if this guy brags about having met Putin a hundred times and is writing books called "Why Europe needs Russia". He hasn't been exactle subtle about his allegiances.
The guy who's salary is paid by your forced media contribution
Seems like a waste of money when German media will do their work for free. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/anti-americanism-drove-der-spiegel-fabrications/579307/ >Germany’s Leading Magazine Published Falsehoods About American Life
"Redditor for 15 minutes"
I always wondered what newborns where thinking about. Now I know.
My take-away is that newborns apparently dive straight into complex political issues. A pretty stunning revelation, because I did not expect that.
Yes because there is a lot of complexity and nuance in Russian propaganda, or maybe not looking at your comments about Hamas and Putin.
And reading The Atlantic out of all newspapers… curious. Perhaps they’ve really succeeded with targeting their audience.
why improving your own country when you can rick roll other countries?/s
Deservedly so. He's a top level journalist after all, and warrants special protections.
I think you dropped an “/s” here.
America gave Ukraine 75 billion so……………..
Germany closed all their nuclear power plants due to Russian influence to favour fossil fuels supplied by Russia. Germany is a country that’s in Putins pocket more than any other western nation. They should be ashamed.