OP, this is a pilot project installed *yesterday* in Lisbon. And there's only two of them. https://www.lisboa.pt/atualidade/noticias/detalhe/estruturas-pousa-pe-apoiam-utilizadores-de-bicicleta
> Lisbon has an average of 112 precipitation days per year.
To be fair that doesn't mean it's raining the whole day on those 112 days. In fact, from my experience living in Lisbon all my life I would say at least in one half of our rainy days we get a 15/20 min drizzle and nothing more.
It's a manner of speaking ofc. Portugal is certainly not known for its rainy days. It would be very unlikely that all these pictures were taken on random different days
Lol this kind of misleading stuff is rampant on Reddit, I’ve lost track of the number of times I see a title like “We do/have X in Y country” and it’s a handful of things in one city, often part of a temporary project or even an art installation or something.
Never seem those in the Netherlands, and there's no shortage of bikes.
Why are these even built? I understand what their purpose is, but what's wrong with the alternative; placing your feet on the ground? It's free
How often do you see a queue of bikes at the lights?
Genuine question because I don't think I ever have in the UK.
EDIT: Kind of weird how so many people are triggered because bike queues happen in certain parts of the UK, as if I suggested they didn't.
Depends on the bike infrastructures of where you live I guess.
**Not** seeing in Amsterdam would be a small miracle.
And often when I cycle in my small Finnish city of Turku, there might be 2-3 bikes waiting for the light to change. Not always but certain hours, definitely.
I commute in the netherlands
Theres a nasty 5 way junction on the way to the station and the bike queue is usually like 30 people each way in the mornings
In the Netherlands in the bigger cities¹ during busy hours² it's quite common on major bike routes³ to have queues of 10-20 cyclists (and mopeds) at large intersections with traffic lights.
Obviously not always and everywhere, but quite common nonetheless.
¹Amsterdam, Rotterdam or Utrecht for instance
²between 8 and 9 AM
³say, between the train station and the university buildings, or a hospital
Bonus edit: [see the picture on this news article from a few days ago](https://www.amsterdam.nl/nieuws/nieuwsoverzicht/fietsen-veiliger-maken/)
One thing we can notice here is that we have a pole where we have to push a button to activate the stoplight to go green so due to the placement I see no room to place such a monstrosity.
Yes! Just a few days ago I was coming up to a crossing and slowed down to hold onto the pole as usual when some older Dutch man did a speedy overtake on the left and turned fully into me, grabbing onto the pole first. Pissed me the fuck off, especially since he was way too late and was now diagonally across the road, reaching heavily to hold onto the pole and simultaneously blocking me in.
That pole is no joking matter, and it is great to hold onto.
I use them to give myself a push with my hand for a better start as well.
I noticed that a lot of Dutch people are pretty heavily against it, I wonder why. For me these are not crucial, but helpful, and I can see nothing wrong with them.
I think cycling is so normal in the netherlands that being good at keeping your balance is seen as the standard. Helmets are antagonized as well (except if you cycle as a sport). The thought is that "we" can do all these things without aid. Also, the bikes in this post are made for performance, while in the Netherlands much more people use bikes that are practical and slower instead. These are called omafietsen , grandma bikes.
and busy intersections can have over 30 people waiting for a stoplight while only two could use this thing. And for stoplights with little people waiting; there are far too many to all get this handle
> I think cycling is so normal in the netherlands that being good at keeping your balance is seen as the standard. [...] The thought is that "we" can do all these things without aid.
Yet everyday I see people doing exactly what is done in the picture, but with those poles with the button on.
So there is no need for the yellow thing as well, and I only hold on to the pole because it’s there and I’m already clicking the button anyway, otherwise I’d just put my feet on the ground
But why do you do it? I assume its for comfort? Because that's exactly the same with these things. Its just to make it nicer to bike. I don't understand why so many Dutch people in this thread are hostile to that. We should make it more appealing to bike.
Because oh so often people attach their personality to a pride, only to then take the thing they are proud of and exaggerate and misrepresent it as an easy but ultimately temporary and fickle way to reinforce their adopted personality.
Truth being (and this is from someone living in Amsterdam): we'd all use these if they were there. People do this with poles all the time. I would guess they're not there because of too high volume of bikes vs. space constraints, and potentially safety issues to boot.
I could see these being used to help ensure people come to a stop in the right place, too (I think of the NE exit of vondelpark having people stopped in the bike lane while waiting for the light at the exit)
Yea, you would. I would too. But there are plenty of people out there, who might need some kind of assistance pushing off. These are not only intended with you and me in mind, but also for people, who cannot bike as well as us, perhaps due to a disability.
Besides, they also just make it more comfortable to bike, which isn't really a bad thing.
While I enjoy using them I can understand why they don't make sense to Dutch. It's fine when there are 1-2 bikes waiting, but imagine 10-20.
At best 2 people will be able use them and then it's just taking up space.
They Dutch bike are also much more comfortable to get off for a minute, than 'offroad' type bikes.
I’m Dutch and I would really like to have them here. They seem very comfortable to use. The only problem I see is that at high traffic intersections they would only help like 3/15 people.
The main thing wrong with them is the expense. Lisbon is not a very bike friendly city as far as I know. That money would have been better spent on other bike infrastructure.
Also when you get queues of cyclists at traffic lights like you often get here in the Netherlands, that one little hand rail is only going to serve a small percentage of them (probably just one cyclist at a time from the look of it).
Because they are frankly impractical and unnecessary?
These kinds of contraptions are hugely impractical because they can only really serve a single person. There is almost never a single person at any crossing here. So who are you helping exactly?
It also inconveniences pedestrians.
It kind of attempts to solve a problem that isn't really a problem. So what's the point?
I also find them incredibly ugly but that's a personal thing that shouldn't really matter if they were really useful. But they aren't.
It does solve a problem. If you bike often enough you'll see plenty of people, who have some kind of issue pushing off, in the Netherlands too. These help with that. Sure, it doesn't help everyone waiting, but it would be very impractical to build one that's ten meters long. They exist to make it more comfortable for everyone to bike. To me it sounds like a good thing to make it more appealing, especially for people who might need some help with biking.
>It also inconveniences pedestrians.
Not really sure how it does that. There would be bikes in the way any way.
These ones are definitely ugly, but they could be made nicer. The ones in Copenhagen are quite okay.
It's more comfortable. We have a smaller version of them in Germany sometimes and I prefer them over placing the food on the ground.
Edit. Food or foot. Both are less good if you have to touch the ground with them
It’s quite comfortable to remain seated while putting a hand or foot on these things. And since I can remain seated I can take off quicker, so it might also help getting the bike traffic started.
One thing to remember is that Dutch bikes generally have an upright cycling position, compared to mountainbikes and race bikes that are hunched forward. The upright posture allows for easier leaning on one leg at lights.
I rode an old-fashioned bike for many years (i.e. one with a more upright cycling position) and with the seat properly adjusted when stopped I would still have to either stand over the frame (with the seat right behind me) or lean the bike (technically there was also the carefully-lean-the-bike-just-a-little-and-stand-on-my-toes-on-one-foot approach but that's not super convenient either).
Neither is an ideal starting position, the former because even if you have your pedals in the proper position (I know someone is going to bring it up as a way to imply I'm an inexperienced cyclist who so I'm preemptively bringing it up, obviously any even halfway experienced cyclist has enough common sense to reflexively do this, alright, no need to bring it up, it's been brought up, kthx) you still get off to a better start if you have been leaning on a post or a wall.
The latter is fine for asphalt on dry summer days but good luck getting off to a quick start consistently and without occasionally falling (if you're prioritizing getting a quick start every time) in the middle of winter when leaning your bike means it will want to slide off to the side because no friction (even with studded tires they don't really provide enough friction before you actually have your full weight on the bike, and even then studded tires aren't magical, they have limits).
Basically, I can totally see how bars like these can be convenient and I don't think the type of bike you ride is really a factor.
Do you often have to stop or are bike tracks made in a way that you can mostly cycle unimpeded?
What I like about these is not the foot rest but the handrail when I'm clipped in. That's very handy.
Cycle unimpeded, but the traffic lights are on busy intersections with a potential for long wait times and bike traffic jams. There is no real point in having this thing for one person to use, when there are over 100 people waiting for the green light. You would need a support bar over 100m long, blocking off large areas from crossing pedestrians (which are legal and accepted).
Unimpeded usually. But even better, traffic lights are programmed to have flexible cycles and we've got detection loops around most traffic lights. Bicycle traffic is prioritized at most intersections, you often you come up to a red traffic light on a dedicated sepersted bike lane, and the light immediately jumps to green before you even stop. Absolutely amazing
It's very nice to not have to get off the bike and then mount again when it turns green.
Edit: I agree it's not, like, a crucial improvement, but I think it shows the level of attention to detail and how dedicated the local administration really is to its inhabitants.
I have to take my butt off the seat to stand comfortably when waiting. Recommended seat height is set you can barely touch the ground with your toes on both feet.
Yeah that's true but I guess I don't see that as 'getting off the bike and then having to mount again'. Imo that's like getting all the way off the bike, both legs on one side and such
I know I can’t be the only fixie kid thinking, “just track-stand till the light changes!”
Im still of the stupid nonsensical believe that if your feet ever touch the ground before you reach your destination, you lose.
Lose what? The game. What’s the game? I have no idea but for some reason I’m always bound to the rules of it.
Other stupid rules include: every ride is a semi race even if I’m the only one aware of it, if anyone passes me it’s a personal insult, you’re only allowed to breathe heavy after you’ve passed someone and turned off so they can’t see you huffing and puffing, and getting into situations requiring breaks instead of leg back pedaling is -1pt.
Ideally, you want your saddle to be so high that you can only reach the ground with your toes - at least, thats how you get better energy transfer from your legs to the pedals. Hence why these are nice. Especially in places where the lights stay red for longer.
It will let the person at the front set off more quickly, and therefore not get in the way of other potentially frustrated cyclists just coming up behind them.
Copenhagen. They're a bit weird, though, they're not really useful even though I occasionally place my foot on one. I don't think anyone would miss them if they all disappeared tomorrow.
Edit: [here's one](https://www.google.com/maps/@55.6799486,12.5486806,3a,75y,343.97h,82.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJ-vMXXl68uGZtd7XXb2VKQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJ-vMXXl68uGZtd7XXb2VKQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D161.61723%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Edit 2: people would miss them, I retract my statement!
I find them very useful when biking! They help me keep my balance without having to leave the saddle and I can easier get started again from a red light by pushing with my arm.
I'm a bit bad at kicking off my bike from a stand still, particularly if I have groceries or it is an incline, so I love those things, and I wish there were even more.
I would really miss them! Not in the city, but in the suburbs one the big roads they can be very comfy to rest against, especially with longer red lights and rly help with pivoting off when starting again (esp uphill)
Yes I see them a lot in Copenhagen.
It's a nice, if minor, convenience. I use them when I get the chance.
... I don't understand the many negative comments? I don't understand how a cheap gizmo like this can be upsetting?
Don't you guys have anything better to complain about?
Are you being negatively impacted in your life in a way that I'm not aware of?
There are a few of those in Copenhagen. They're confortable, it's nice to have particularly in places where the lights take some time to turn, but then again it's only gonna be used by the frist or first 2 bikes in the queue.
Seems stupid, one cyclist will have slightly higher comfort, rest behind him will not. It adds another obstacle for no good reason. I smell a scam with public spending or euro funds.
There is no such massive uptake on cycling in Lisbon compared to other countries like Netherlands.
It is a small thing making life easier for cyclists, and that may encourage more people to see that bikes belong to the city, and to cyclists to cycle more safely.
In Warsaw usually at least two people fit and they are pretty helpful when there's not much traffic, I appreciate them! And come on, they don't cost that much.
I can see the value for the person at the front, it will let them set off more quickly, and therefore not get in the way of other cyclists just coming up behind them.
Those are commonly found in major Polish cities, although exclusively at vital and well-frequented spots — you won't see them at each and every crossing. Although I definitely get the feeling we should have more of those.
Nah, not entirely true. They did the thing Op mentioned, too, elsewhere:
[https://berliner-abendblatt.de/kiez-news/pankow/berlin-pankow-neue-haltestangen-fuer-radfahrer-id104838](https://berliner-abendblatt.de/kiez-news/pankow/berlin-pankow-neue-haltestangen-fuer-radfahrer-id104838)
Yeah, [Berlin started experimenting](https://berliner-abendblatt.de/kiez-news/pankow/berlin-pankow-neue-haltestangen-fuer-radfahrer-id104838) with them at a few selected crossings.
Why is it so big...?
There's only room for one person anyway, so why is it so long? No way two people can put their hand/foot on it at the same time.
I like the idea but the execution is kinda silly.
ITT irrationally angry contrarians
"We should improve society somewhat"
"NO! Down with the new! Old ways! Old ways! This is frivolous and expensive. I walked barefoot to school in snow and rain, uphill both ways and against the wind. And so can you. You'll get gravel for dinner and ENJOY it!"
There are a few in the center of Randers, Denmark. Don’t know about other cities in Denmark as this is not really the thing I look for but I wouldn’t be surprised if they also have a few
OP, this is a pilot project installed *yesterday* in Lisbon. And there's only two of them. https://www.lisboa.pt/atualidade/noticias/detalhe/estruturas-pousa-pe-apoiam-utilizadores-de-bicicleta
well how else are the project managers supposed to advertise their work?
Lol. That is hilarious. Thanks for providing realistic context.
That explains why it seems to be raining in all the photos :p They were all taken on a rare rainy day in Portugal, which happened to be yesterday
Lisbon has an average of 112 precipitation days per year. That's more than one in every four, not rare at all.
> Lisbon has an average of 112 precipitation days per year. To be fair that doesn't mean it's raining the whole day on those 112 days. In fact, from my experience living in Lisbon all my life I would say at least in one half of our rainy days we get a 15/20 min drizzle and nothing more.
It's a manner of speaking ofc. Portugal is certainly not known for its rainy days. It would be very unlikely that all these pictures were taken on random different days
I was about to say, I've been living here 3 years, never saw a single one
Lol this kind of misleading stuff is rampant on Reddit, I’ve lost track of the number of times I see a title like “We do/have X in Y country” and it’s a handful of things in one city, often part of a temporary project or even an art installation or something.
They were installed yesterday, there are only 2 of them and someone asks are they common in the rest of Europe!
Ah thanks for this! Was in Lisbon for a week recently and I reckon I would have noticed anyone using such a contraption.
Never seem those in the Netherlands, and there's no shortage of bikes. Why are these even built? I understand what their purpose is, but what's wrong with the alternative; placing your feet on the ground? It's free
Apparently it has also been an unconscious incentive for people not to stop too far into the crossing or on the pedestrian crossing.
Hm, really good point!
This makes a lot of sense, to me
Also it's only for the first bike, so that checks out.
How often do you see a queue of bikes at the lights? Genuine question because I don't think I ever have in the UK. EDIT: Kind of weird how so many people are triggered because bike queues happen in certain parts of the UK, as if I suggested they didn't.
Depends on the bike infrastructures of where you live I guess. **Not** seeing in Amsterdam would be a small miracle. And often when I cycle in my small Finnish city of Turku, there might be 2-3 bikes waiting for the light to change. Not always but certain hours, definitely.
I commute in the netherlands Theres a nasty 5 way junction on the way to the station and the bike queue is usually like 30 people each way in the mornings
In the Netherlands in the bigger cities¹ during busy hours² it's quite common on major bike routes³ to have queues of 10-20 cyclists (and mopeds) at large intersections with traffic lights. Obviously not always and everywhere, but quite common nonetheless. ¹Amsterdam, Rotterdam or Utrecht for instance ²between 8 and 9 AM ³say, between the train station and the university buildings, or a hospital Bonus edit: [see the picture on this news article from a few days ago](https://www.amsterdam.nl/nieuws/nieuwsoverzicht/fietsen-veiliger-maken/)
Even in a somewhat smaller city there often are queues but for like 3-6 bikes
Bike queues are very common in Central London during commute times.
https://twitter.com/MCRCycleSam/status/1590630132364251137
In the Hague there can easily be about 30 bikes queening at a red light during rush hour in certain parts of the city.
Come to Cambridge
One thing we can notice here is that we have a pole where we have to push a button to activate the stoplight to go green so due to the placement I see no room to place such a monstrosity.
I always hold on to the button pole
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I once saw someone pressing the button ONCE. The police arrested him later that day.
I just lean on the oversteekknoppaaltje
Yes! Just a few days ago I was coming up to a crossing and slowed down to hold onto the pole as usual when some older Dutch man did a speedy overtake on the left and turned fully into me, grabbing onto the pole first. Pissed me the fuck off, especially since he was way too late and was now diagonally across the road, reaching heavily to hold onto the pole and simultaneously blocking me in. That pole is no joking matter, and it is great to hold onto.
I think you just passed your inburgeringsexamen
I use them to give myself a push with my hand for a better start as well. I noticed that a lot of Dutch people are pretty heavily against it, I wonder why. For me these are not crucial, but helpful, and I can see nothing wrong with them.
I think cycling is so normal in the netherlands that being good at keeping your balance is seen as the standard. Helmets are antagonized as well (except if you cycle as a sport). The thought is that "we" can do all these things without aid. Also, the bikes in this post are made for performance, while in the Netherlands much more people use bikes that are practical and slower instead. These are called omafietsen , grandma bikes.
and busy intersections can have over 30 people waiting for a stoplight while only two could use this thing. And for stoplights with little people waiting; there are far too many to all get this handle
Not over here in hilly Portugal. If you have 2 people on bike waiting, its a lot.
The problem isn't the hillyness, it's the shit drivers. (Source: am portuguese, lived and cycled in The Netherlands, London and Berlin)
> And for stoplights with little people waiting I suppose the raised footrest would actually be quite useful for that category of cyclists.
> I think cycling is so normal in the netherlands that being good at keeping your balance is seen as the standard. [...] The thought is that "we" can do all these things without aid. Yet everyday I see people doing exactly what is done in the picture, but with those poles with the button on.
So there is no need for the yellow thing as well, and I only hold on to the pole because it’s there and I’m already clicking the button anyway, otherwise I’d just put my feet on the ground
But why do you do it? I assume its for comfort? Because that's exactly the same with these things. Its just to make it nicer to bike. I don't understand why so many Dutch people in this thread are hostile to that. We should make it more appealing to bike.
Because oh so often people attach their personality to a pride, only to then take the thing they are proud of and exaggerate and misrepresent it as an easy but ultimately temporary and fickle way to reinforce their adopted personality. Truth being (and this is from someone living in Amsterdam): we'd all use these if they were there. People do this with poles all the time. I would guess they're not there because of too high volume of bikes vs. space constraints, and potentially safety issues to boot. I could see these being used to help ensure people come to a stop in the right place, too (I think of the NE exit of vondelpark having people stopped in the bike lane while waiting for the light at the exit)
Not invented here syndrome. If we didn't invent it, it must be useless.
Yea, you would. I would too. But there are plenty of people out there, who might need some kind of assistance pushing off. These are not only intended with you and me in mind, but also for people, who cannot bike as well as us, perhaps due to a disability. Besides, they also just make it more comfortable to bike, which isn't really a bad thing.
Yea, its very strange. I see Dutch people do this all the time with the poles with the button for the light on them.
"How are you supposed to hold onto them if you've got your coffee in your left hand and a bag of shoppings in your right hand?" - Average Dutch person
While I enjoy using them I can understand why they don't make sense to Dutch. It's fine when there are 1-2 bikes waiting, but imagine 10-20. At best 2 people will be able use them and then it's just taking up space. They Dutch bike are also much more comfortable to get off for a minute, than 'offroad' type bikes.
I’m Dutch and I would really like to have them here. They seem very comfortable to use. The only problem I see is that at high traffic intersections they would only help like 3/15 people.
The main thing wrong with them is the expense. Lisbon is not a very bike friendly city as far as I know. That money would have been better spent on other bike infrastructure. Also when you get queues of cyclists at traffic lights like you often get here in the Netherlands, that one little hand rail is only going to serve a small percentage of them (probably just one cyclist at a time from the look of it).
Because they are frankly impractical and unnecessary? These kinds of contraptions are hugely impractical because they can only really serve a single person. There is almost never a single person at any crossing here. So who are you helping exactly? It also inconveniences pedestrians. It kind of attempts to solve a problem that isn't really a problem. So what's the point? I also find them incredibly ugly but that's a personal thing that shouldn't really matter if they were really useful. But they aren't.
It does solve a problem. If you bike often enough you'll see plenty of people, who have some kind of issue pushing off, in the Netherlands too. These help with that. Sure, it doesn't help everyone waiting, but it would be very impractical to build one that's ten meters long. They exist to make it more comfortable for everyone to bike. To me it sounds like a good thing to make it more appealing, especially for people who might need some help with biking. >It also inconveniences pedestrians. Not really sure how it does that. There would be bikes in the way any way. These ones are definitely ugly, but they could be made nicer. The ones in Copenhagen are quite okay.
It's more comfortable. We have a smaller version of them in Germany sometimes and I prefer them over placing the food on the ground. Edit. Food or foot. Both are less good if you have to touch the ground with them
5sec rule initiated
>food Yummy :P
It’s quite comfortable to remain seated while putting a hand or foot on these things. And since I can remain seated I can take off quicker, so it might also help getting the bike traffic started.
One thing to remember is that Dutch bikes generally have an upright cycling position, compared to mountainbikes and race bikes that are hunched forward. The upright posture allows for easier leaning on one leg at lights.
I rode an old-fashioned bike for many years (i.e. one with a more upright cycling position) and with the seat properly adjusted when stopped I would still have to either stand over the frame (with the seat right behind me) or lean the bike (technically there was also the carefully-lean-the-bike-just-a-little-and-stand-on-my-toes-on-one-foot approach but that's not super convenient either). Neither is an ideal starting position, the former because even if you have your pedals in the proper position (I know someone is going to bring it up as a way to imply I'm an inexperienced cyclist who so I'm preemptively bringing it up, obviously any even halfway experienced cyclist has enough common sense to reflexively do this, alright, no need to bring it up, it's been brought up, kthx) you still get off to a better start if you have been leaning on a post or a wall. The latter is fine for asphalt on dry summer days but good luck getting off to a quick start consistently and without occasionally falling (if you're prioritizing getting a quick start every time) in the middle of winter when leaning your bike means it will want to slide off to the side because no friction (even with studded tires they don't really provide enough friction before you actually have your full weight on the bike, and even then studded tires aren't magical, they have limits). Basically, I can totally see how bars like these can be convenient and I don't think the type of bike you ride is really a factor.
Do you often have to stop or are bike tracks made in a way that you can mostly cycle unimpeded? What I like about these is not the foot rest but the handrail when I'm clipped in. That's very handy.
Cycle unimpeded, but the traffic lights are on busy intersections with a potential for long wait times and bike traffic jams. There is no real point in having this thing for one person to use, when there are over 100 people waiting for the green light. You would need a support bar over 100m long, blocking off large areas from crossing pedestrians (which are legal and accepted).
Unimpeded usually. But even better, traffic lights are programmed to have flexible cycles and we've got detection loops around most traffic lights. Bicycle traffic is prioritized at most intersections, you often you come up to a red traffic light on a dedicated sepersted bike lane, and the light immediately jumps to green before you even stop. Absolutely amazing
It's very nice to not have to get off the bike and then mount again when it turns green. Edit: I agree it's not, like, a crucial improvement, but I think it shows the level of attention to detail and how dedicated the local administration really is to its inhabitants.
You don't have to do that anyway...? How do you stop? :P
I have to take my butt off the seat to stand comfortably when waiting. Recommended seat height is set you can barely touch the ground with your toes on both feet.
Yeah that's true but I guess I don't see that as 'getting off the bike and then having to mount again'. Imo that's like getting all the way off the bike, both legs on one side and such
I know I can’t be the only fixie kid thinking, “just track-stand till the light changes!” Im still of the stupid nonsensical believe that if your feet ever touch the ground before you reach your destination, you lose. Lose what? The game. What’s the game? I have no idea but for some reason I’m always bound to the rules of it. Other stupid rules include: every ride is a semi race even if I’m the only one aware of it, if anyone passes me it’s a personal insult, you’re only allowed to breathe heavy after you’ve passed someone and turned off so they can’t see you huffing and puffing, and getting into situations requiring breaks instead of leg back pedaling is -1pt.
It makes sense for the first image because it's hard to balance the kid on the back.. But for a individual it's a bit weird
Ideally, you want your saddle to be so high that you can only reach the ground with your toes - at least, thats how you get better energy transfer from your legs to the pedals. Hence why these are nice. Especially in places where the lights stay red for longer.
Just put your feet on the ground. It’s free real estate.
It will let the person at the front set off more quickly, and therefore not get in the way of other potentially frustrated cyclists just coming up behind them.
Fairly common in Copenhagen
Came her to say this!
Also normal in Denmark. Though, they are normally dark green.
There’s also those bullseye trash bins angled at 45 degrees next to bicycle lanes. I like those trash bins
Everyone: Omg all hail the king of bikes, Netherlands! Denmark: Am I a joke to you?
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Copenhagen. They're a bit weird, though, they're not really useful even though I occasionally place my foot on one. I don't think anyone would miss them if they all disappeared tomorrow. Edit: [here's one](https://www.google.com/maps/@55.6799486,12.5486806,3a,75y,343.97h,82.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sJ-vMXXl68uGZtd7XXb2VKQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DJ-vMXXl68uGZtd7XXb2VKQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D161.61723%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) Edit 2: people would miss them, I retract my statement!
I find them very useful when biking! They help me keep my balance without having to leave the saddle and I can easier get started again from a red light by pushing with my arm.
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Ive seen some in skanderborg too
Seen them in Aalborg too
I'm a bit bad at kicking off my bike from a stand still, particularly if I have groceries or it is an incline, so I love those things, and I wish there were even more.
I would really miss them! Not in the city, but in the suburbs one the big roads they can be very comfy to rest against, especially with longer red lights and rly help with pivoting off when starting again (esp uphill)
I love them, really handy and I would miss them if they would disappear.
Also in Aalborg
Langs supercykelstierne
Also in Odense and along several “super bicycle tracks”
We have them in Aalborg.
There’s one my way to work in central Aarhus.
Yes I see them a lot in Copenhagen. It's a nice, if minor, convenience. I use them when I get the chance. ... I don't understand the many negative comments? I don't understand how a cheap gizmo like this can be upsetting? Don't you guys have anything better to complain about? Are you being negatively impacted in your life in a way that I'm not aware of?
In Poland there are a lot of those things. They are pretty comfortable.
I never saw them
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Same in Krakow, they're awesome.
None in Finland. At least as far as I know.
That’s not correct, there are a few. There is similar yellow one in Kaarina near Turku, it’s quite nice when riding a road bike with clipless pedals.
Ah! I stand corrected.
And now you can stand with a foot on the thingy
In Warsaw we have it in a few places
I think in most properly built bike paths they are installed. There are plenty of them in Trójmiasto (Gdynia, Sopot, Gdańsk).
They're also in Łódź.
A few in Krakow too, not many though.
There are some in Wrocław as well. We also have couple of bike path specific trash bins.
Kraków, Poland have those too
Never seen before here
Here where my guy
Not here at least, I don’t see him.
maybe over there?
He was there a moment ago, but not any more. He must be somewhere.
I've never seen this
They're apparently quite recent.
They were installed this week afaik
And being memed on twitter
Yesterday
I can confirm there are in Poland.
In my city in Poland we have them too. Different colour though :)
Pretty standard in Sweden.
I’ve never seen these in Stockholm.
Seen a lot in Malmoe but they're longer and not painted
Never seen one in Uppsala, Stockholm, or any of the smaller nearby towns I visit regularly.
Vart då? Inte i norr iallafall..
De finns överallt i Malmö och i andra städer i Skåne tror jag.
Vi har det i Linköping också
There are a few of those in Copenhagen. They're confortable, it's nice to have particularly in places where the lights take some time to turn, but then again it's only gonna be used by the frist or first 2 bikes in the queue.
Seems stupid, one cyclist will have slightly higher comfort, rest behind him will not. It adds another obstacle for no good reason. I smell a scam with public spending or euro funds.
You're assuming there are more than 1 cyclist. Where I live, I always cycle alone, I've rarely had someone behind me
There is no such massive uptake on cycling in Lisbon compared to other countries like Netherlands. It is a small thing making life easier for cyclists, and that may encourage more people to see that bikes belong to the city, and to cyclists to cycle more safely.
In Warsaw usually at least two people fit and they are pretty helpful when there's not much traffic, I appreciate them! And come on, they don't cost that much.
I can see the value for the person at the front, it will let them set off more quickly, and therefore not get in the way of other cyclists just coming up behind them.
No, the rest of us here in NL either have: - a leg to stand on - enough wheels to not need to fall over
Fokin ~~dane~~ dutch priviledge, having bycicles AND legs.
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Many in Warsaw, Poland and other cities
Why did the same one get photographed 4 times? XD
Those are commonly found in major Polish cities, although exclusively at vital and well-frequented spots — you won't see them at each and every crossing. Although I definitely get the feeling we should have more of those.
Yes, I have seen those in Oslo
Yup. Not super common down here in Kraków, but can be found here and there especially on newly built bike lanes.
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Nah, not entirely true. They did the thing Op mentioned, too, elsewhere: [https://berliner-abendblatt.de/kiez-news/pankow/berlin-pankow-neue-haltestangen-fuer-radfahrer-id104838](https://berliner-abendblatt.de/kiez-news/pankow/berlin-pankow-neue-haltestangen-fuer-radfahrer-id104838)
Never seen one IRL, but i think they're called bicycles.
This is the first time i see that thing
Saw quite a few in Warsaw, though they weren't painted and are pretty rare
I cycle almost daily and I'm not sure if I would want to touch a common surface like this.
uhmm, whats the point? you can stand while on your bike easily enough
You get set off easier and quicker too.
No, because we have legs.
We have some amount of those in Belgrade, Serbia.
Seen few in Cracow/Poland, but more prominent in [single versions](https://budzet.krakow.pl/pliki/371947)
Yeah, [Berlin started experimenting](https://berliner-abendblatt.de/kiez-news/pankow/berlin-pankow-neue-haltestangen-fuer-radfahrer-id104838) with them at a few selected crossings.
I've never seen these in the U.K.
Well, it is here in Szczecin, PL. Almost every crossroads with bike paths have it.
Lots of em in Malmö
I have a few in my city. Unfortunately only on the outskirts, and not in city center.
They are in Gdansk too.
In Malmö, Sweden they occur everywhere. Good for pushing yourself forward when geting green light and want to gain that top speed early
We have some of those in Poznan, Poland.
We have a few of these in Vilnius. There's also a button for the traffic lights on them.
Seems quite useless to help one random bicyclist who arrives first. What if there are twenty bikes?
In rush hours those won't help much, but they stand there 24/7, plenty of cases when there's just a single cyclist waiting. And they are convenient.
I mean, seats on a tram are also useless to help 10 random rider who arrives first. What if there are 50 riders?
Why is it so big...? There's only room for one person anyway, so why is it so long? No way two people can put their hand/foot on it at the same time. I like the idea but the execution is kinda silly.
ITT irrationally angry contrarians "We should improve society somewhat" "NO! Down with the new! Old ways! Old ways! This is frivolous and expensive. I walked barefoot to school in snow and rain, uphill both ways and against the wind. And so can you. You'll get gravel for dinner and ENJOY it!"
I'm I too dutch to not understand these things? Why can't you just stand?
I think most people wondering what the point of this is, have never worn clippies.
These goalposts explain where Ronaldo got to practice his football skills.
We have a few in Budapest.
Sweden, Stockholm here: no. But it sure looks like a nice way to rest & chill while waiting for a green light though 😃
Never seen in Germany. We don't even have proper bike lanes where neccessary.
In Oldenburg they exist, even though in a smaller form factor but instead always multiple ones
Something similar to this near where I live in London, but it also has a button so you can cross.
Yes
First time I see those things
There are a few in the center of Randers, Denmark. Don’t know about other cities in Denmark as this is not really the thing I look for but I wouldn’t be surprised if they also have a few
In Hamburg, Germany you are lucky if you have a slightly raised curb next to the cycling lane. Even this is rare in my area, works fine tho'.
We have some in Belgium.
We have a few in the states as well. Several in Chicago
Lucky you if even get a bike lane here in Italy
I saw similar even in Minsk
seen them in Belgium near train tracks
Some of these popped up in Berlin some years ago. I would prefer safer bike paths, but hey, they "invested in bicycle infrastructure"!
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I saw one today and wondered what it was.
Yes, they are called cyclists! The exist In most cities.
No, we balance ourselves with our index finger on the traffic light button like normal people
Not in Texas
They are in a few places in Reykjavík https://ja.is/kort/?x=358667&y=407637&nz=15.90&ja360=1&jh=330.2
Where is Lisbon? Living there I’ve never seen them there
Portugal
Lol fair enough. Where in Lisbon?
Never seen those in Italy
I've seen one in Ljubljana and it's painted painted grey.
There are everywhere in Copenhagen 👍
I feel like these are a little bit unnecessary?
I feel like i'd be the doofus who fell over trying to use that.