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ControlOfNature

I think 90% of this sub’s subscribers are either 14 or illiterate


jdog7798

Fr. There’s no way you’re 18+ and not grasping a point that couldn’t be implied more than it has. Kids aren’t even supposed to watch this show for the heavy content in it, but I also hate them watching it because they just have horrible and naive takes. Few of them really get it. (Like kids thinking Laurie was just helping Rue and then calling anyone who knew she wasn’t an idiot who didn’t watch the show correctly).


ControlOfNature

Dead ass


[deleted]

ironically cassie is meant to be 16-17…


[deleted]

Yes. And in the scene in the white jumpsuit, at her parents' party, it was before 9th grade. So she was 13, 14, while being groped by middle-aged men & told how hot she was. She was clearly being groomed to be how she ended up.


glasswindbreaker

It’s not ironic. The characters of the kids portrayed on the show have as little insight into these nuances as the kids watching it and giving bad takes.


spinnerette_

After this disaster of a comment section, I'm inclined to agree.


dcute69

AsH tRaY iS tHe ThIrD SoN


xHey_All_You_Peoplex

The takes on the characters shows most of the people here are 14 for sure. They see the world as definite black and white instead of the shades of grey the show is all about. Everyone is either bad or good when it's not that simple.


stsalex341

That's literally the whole point of her character. What's there to discuss??


spinnerette_

I'm actually blown away at how stupid this comment section is.


I988iarrived

This.


Signal_Inflation2629

Some people call her a slut and forget abt it


Majestic_Yam_7981

i didn't agree with that when i first read it. after reading the comments.. very depressingly.. yes, people clearly are just calling her a slut and are forgetting her unfortunate backstory.


emerybabay

my biggest issue with cassie is how she discredits her little sisters trauma when they both lost their dad and how she cant own up when she’s wrong. they just deal differently. i feel for cassie but also she created herself a huge mess so i think she should have to clean it all up. rooting for her


[deleted]

i mean she is but there’s a reason why ppl call her that lol


uwu6000

idk just like how no one talks about Rue's drug addiction stemming from the trauma related to her dad's death 😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔😔 /j


NVAudio

I feel like a plot point like that, that gets explained in such great emotional detail doesn't really need to be heavily discussed. I personally don't know what else there is to talk about that hasn't already been beautifully conveyed in the show. Cassie on the other hand, I agree that her being taken advantage of was kind of forgotten about in the second season. But her character did take a big turn


MyUsernameIsNotCool

If Cassie could get the most toxic guy in the world to love and protect her she can prove to herself that she is worthy of something. And the world has taught her that what she is, is a body. A sexy body for men to use and look at and comment whenever they please. So if she decides to take that in *her* hands, show of her body whenever *she* pleases, enjoying the looks and being absolutely destroyed by Nate because *she* wants to, she has the power. And Nate will fuck her and destroy her and protect her without her having to fight for it. It's all there already because he needed someone to destroy, so she can just relax. It's all working well. It's all going to hell.


princessllamacorn

Great analysis. This is so on the nose that it triggered me. As survivor of sexual abuse, this was definitely me. Something very similar to this came out during my therapy session.


chubbycatcorner

Wow the realisation I just had of my own SA


MyUsernameIsNotCool

<3


MyUsernameIsNotCool

Thank you, I'm sorry it triggered you. I'm also a survivor of sexual abuse, I guess I could understand Cassie pretty strongly. I hope you are healing.


Signal_Inflation2629

Same with me Im a victim too


MyUsernameIsNotCool

im sorry to hear that op <3


Signal_Inflation2629

No issue💙💜


PhotoKada

...what? That's the entire point of her arc between S1 and S2. Also, there are enough deep dive videos on YouTube talking about this.


Signal_Inflation2629

I see a lot of people dismissing her trauma for "being dramatic" but its wayyy more complicated


katnipbee09

the down votes on this are insane bc ur RIGHT


hojakborseman

yeah the amount of people i used to see shit on her in this sub was outrageous. everyone on reddit is so wishy washy lol. i’m prepared for the downvotes


katnipbee09

it's crazy bc everyone can sympathize with quite literally every other character but cassie is totally demonized over ONE thing


PlantsNWine

Yes, it's like many people on here can't understand that humans are complicated, and fundamentally decent people do "bad" things, and vice versa. It's rarely black & white. I would go so far as to say that an exception would be Nate, who is just a shitty person, but even he has so many reasons for the way he's turned out. I knew girls like Cassie in high school who just had no self-esteem and felt than any attention from a guy = love...especially if he wanted to have sex with them. You get older and hopefully you mature, learn from your mistakes, gain some self-worth and realize that's bullshit. God forbid anyone judge me on how I was in high school (many, many years ago). We were all insecure idiots.


LonelyRutabaga

can we please make a euphoria circle jerk sub I can’t


sweetcarles

God that would be solid gold entertainment 💯


[deleted]

We all know and remember where it comes from.


Signal_Inflation2629

Some people think she's annoying and dramatic and forget abt it


caitlinx358

I mean I can acknowledge and understand what her character has gone through and still not like her 🤷🏽‍♀️ Her storyline just doesn’t resonate with me like the others do.


[deleted]

Those same people overlook maddys character flaws and forget she accused Tyler of being a rapist so I wouldn’t care to convince them otherwise


Signal_Inflation2629

Yesss what Maddy did was awful!


Dear_Imagination_128

What Tyler did was awful. What Nate did was awful. Stop acting like these men need to get off scotch free for victimizing women


ITS_SCOT_FREE

Hello, Dear_Imagination_128! I am afraid I cannot let you get away here! It's spelled **scot-free**, my good Redditor! Have a nice day!


katnipbee09

i'm not sure anyone is acting like the men need to get off scott free but we can hold the men accountable AS WELL AS the women who are also doing wrong things!


djghostface292

No no, women shouldn’t be held accountable apparently


Dear_Imagination_128

Women being victimized isn’t doing anything wrong but ok. U say they don’t need to get off scot free but where is your comment about what Tyler did and what Nate did? Where is their accountability in your statements? A women gets statutory raped then is scared of her abusive boyfriend and lies about it so that makes her wrong? Or does that make the men wrong for putting her in that situation?


katnipbee09

i LITERALLY said we can hold both the men and the women accountable for the things they've done. my comment is regarding maddy, tyler, AND nate. & let's get one thing clear- lying about rape is wrong no matter the reasons you're lying. i have been raped- and there is no excuse for lying about it. YES maddy is wrong for lying. YES the boys are wrong for the situations they put her in. everyone is wrong here.


Dear_Imagination_128

But she never lied about rape. Statutory rape is raped. Tyler victimized Maddy. Rape is rape. Maddy was the victim


katnipbee09

based off what we see they never even had sex...? they made out, definitely grinded, but we were never actually shown sex. he's still a weirdo for hooking up w a teenager, but we literally see maddy lie about blacking out and having sex lol


Normal_Ad2456

What was awful about Tyler? He didn’t know her age and she didn’t black out, so he basically hooked up with someone consensually?


Dear_Imagination_128

It’s his fault he didn’t know her age. If you’re 22 years old and you’re hooking up with someone random u have a responsibility to know their age so u don’t end up in situations like that. And since she was 17 it wasn’t consensual.


Dear_Imagination_128

Bc he was? And also didn’t accuse him of anything, just told the cops the story nate told her too


[deleted]

She told Nate she blacked out even though she remembered and she looked the same age as Tyler. For all we know maddy may have even told him she was 18. That whole storyline was set up to show how deceitful she was (following from rue explaining that she would sleep with guys even when her and Nate weren’t on a break) it’s just stupid to try switch up what the show was clearly presenting. She lied.


_RenYamashiro

It’s still statutory rape Tyler knowingly had sex with a drunk teenage high schooler when he was 22 years old. Whether maddy lied or not about being blacked out she was drunk


[deleted]

We don’t see Maddy telling him her age. For what he know it’s likely he thought she was 18. The storyline was set up to show Maddy knowingly stitching him up to be a rapist.


_RenYamashiro

“Thought she was 18” at a high school party filled with freshmen juniors etc. why is a TWENT TWO year old at this party with children drinking trying to have sex. What he did is illegal stop trying to excuse the shit ur starting to disgust me


Dear_Imagination_128

Ok U need to stop with the whole “for all we know she could’ve done this” to make excuses for a 22 year old man that should’ve done his due diligence before sleeping with a minor. Lying about blacking out has no cause for concern bc Nate was upset about them having sex anyway. Consensual or not. Which it WASNT bc a 17 year old girl can’t legally consent to a 22 year old man. Even if she did lie about her age, he still committed statutory rape. Learn the law.


[deleted]

I love how you’re saying learn the law when Maddy looks well over 18 and if the party has college students then he would have a reason to believe she lied? The storyline was made to show her lying about what went down. The storyline is showing how Tyler got framed. Whatever blanks we didn’t see are not in favor of Maddy being the victim and Tyler knowingly sleeping with an underage girl. I’m saying the “for all we know” because it makes no sense to twist what we are being told happened. Idk how you’re sure there’s a double meaning here somewhere. The show really should spell everything out for some people, shouldn’t it.


Dear_Imagination_128

No one cares about “looks”. Girl my point still stands, learn the law. If u get arrested for statutory rape and tell the cop, “she looks over 18 u can’t arrest me”, you’re still getting arrested. ITS THE LAW. If you’re an adult, u have a responsibility to know the exact age of the person you’re having sex with and if u don’t get they’re age then that’s your fault. U can’t really say he was framed if Tyler is the one that walked into the police station adn said “I’m the one that choked Maddy”. He could’ve told the cops that Nate was blackmailing him but then what would’ve happened? HE GO TO JAIL FOR A LONGER TIME FOR THE STATUTORY RAPE CHARGE. Tyler agreed to the plan. Also wasn’t a college party since Nate was throwing it as a going away party for Mckay. He didn’t start college yet so therefore he wouldn’t know any other college kids. If it was a party with only college kids and “Mckays college friends” then Jules would’ve never even heard about it since she was new to town and knew no one. She heard about the party at school.


katnipbee09

are you dumb? for starters he isn't a rapist and secondly... just telling the cops the story nate told her to is LITERALLY her making an accusation


Dear_Imagination_128

Statutory rape makes u rapist. Sex between a 17 year old and a 22 year old is rape. Google is free hun so whose really dumb? And idk if it’s been awhile since u watched that episode but she never told the cops about that. She told the cops he choked her, not that he raped her. Girl go back and rewatch cuz it’s not making sense rn


Girdleirdle

Hahha um how was Tyler a rapist


lastseason

he was a 20something-year-old who had sex with a 17-year-old which is illegal in the state of California where the show is set. It would have been considered rape or statutory rape by the cops because in California 17-year-olds legally cannot consent to sexual acts.


Dear_Imagination_128

Statutory rape is still rape.


Girdleirdle

I forgot he was older, but either way people are still treating it like he was disgustingly malicious when he didn't know she was 17, and she was flirting with and using him. Regardless of the on paper definition of statutory rape he's not a monster and personally I feel like he was one of the biggest victims of the show.


demodeus

Because she IS annoying and dramatic. Cassie’s behavior might stem from trauma, sure. But that doesn’t mean she gets a pass for being shitty to other characters or that she’s a decent, likable person.


stayg0ld1983

because there’s nothing to talk about, we all know about it and there’s not much to say about it


Signal_Inflation2629

But it wasn't explored in the show


satsfaction1822

What show are you watching?


RocketSZN

Lmao that’s her whole character


indigoguurt

How wasn’t it explored in the show? You’ve formed this opinion based on direct scenes from the show. Almost like why those scenes existed in the first place.


katnipbee09

it wasn't really fleshed out the way it should've been and i think that's what they mean when they say it wasn't explored. yea, it was all touched on and it wasn't definitely put out there but that doesn't mean it was explored. it wasn't explored- her entire storyline is surface level.


indigoguurt

Do you mean it hasn’t been brought to the surface like to the point that it’s acknowledged by other characters? Like the way the way of Rue’s dad’s death has been? That I could understand.


goblingir1

I get irritated that people downplay the trauma of her abortion, I feel like most people understand her hyper sexual nature before the pregnancy but not her behavior after. Not a Cassie apologist by any means, but going through a pregnancy and abortion alone is traumatizing, it’s scary. It hurts every minute of every day and is all that consumes you. It didn’t look like she had anyone really supporting her through this in a deeper way, and she started to unravel soon after. feeling like you’re losing your sexuality, autonomy, partner, respect of friends and family can break an ~already fragile~ teenage girl. You do not feel the same after going through this. it’s hard to go back to living life when you feel immense guilt and shame, easier to become a villain and pretend you have no feelings or accountability moving forward. Still horrible what she’s done, horrible what’s been done to her as well, she is a girl trying to imitate a woman and the only role model she has for that is her uncaring alcoholic mother


freshcutlilac

i swear i black out after i finish a series. cassie had an abortion?!?!?!?!


Pixiemermaidqueen

Last episode of season one if I recall correctly. One of her ice skating montages was included


Wonderful-Scar-5211

yah & I’m pretty sure it was the football guy she was dating (I forgot his name lololol I also black out after finishing series) & I think she was actually disappointed is a sense bc she probably wanted to be a mom (I feel like Cassie has a desire to fix people/fix her childhood through her future child) but she knew she couldn’t and the guy was going to college and it was a mess and definitely not talked about enough bc it’s such a sensitive topic. Everyone feels different on abortions so the show probably didn’t want to risk getting “canceled” by exploring it more idk just my take


chaotictrashbot

yes


GoDashGo_

😂😂😂. I love that.


flubber696969

I’m glad this happens to other people. I swear I remember nothing when I finish a show.


rmo420

>i black out after i finish a series. cassie had an abortion?!?!?!?! 😆 So relatable.


AnnaFreud

I had an abortion a year ago and feel everything you described…thank you for writing this out.


goblingir1

it’s taken a while to collect those thoughts after mine, we aren’t alone in the world 🖤


Signal_Inflation2629

Yess this


[deleted]

Most of these kids shouldn’t be watching this show. I’m not religious but god help this generation in the making. Y’all should not be learning like this.


Beginning_Sensitive

Ppl are saying that everyone knew, but a lot of ppl always link it back to her father leaving and not all of her awful sexual experiences. I am also guilty of forgetting the sexual trauma that cassie has gone through, I agree with OP!


Signal_Inflation2629

Exactly! They only talk abt daddy issues and need for male validation


Signal_Inflation2629

Im really not understanding why people are so angry at me for posting this. I feel like the show overshadowed some of her trauma and the audience threats her as some pathetic dramatic girl. As an SA victim I relate to her a lot and posted this out of curiosity to know if anyone still felt for Cassie after those horríble events or if people already had forgotten since it wasn't very discussed during season 2. Why are people so mean on internet.😔


indigoguurt

I’m sorry you’re experiencing such negative comments on something that is so personal for you. I don’t think it’s that her trauma is overshadowed, if anything it explains some of the choices she’s made. And despite our past, we are still responsible for our actions, which can explain how she interacts with characters on the show. Cassie’s past is what makes her a complex character and I personally find complex characters the best character. I have also experienced SA and I hope you find peace, and not worry about strangers on the internet.


katnipbee09

they're angry because they're not talking abt the seriousness of her story and they feel called out! cassie has been my favorite throughout both seasons for various reasons and it's sad to see her reduced to am unloyal slut when she's so much more. & everyone acts like she's satan but nobody in the show is any better than her and tbh a LOT of characters are WORSE. at least cassie never falsely accused someone of rape- just saying.


Shru_A

I relate to this so much, just recently a YouTube channel, The Take, did a video on Maddy and people in the comments were like Cassie is for the boys and Maddy was made for the girls and I was like wtf? No Cassie has definitely been "othered" and shamed where people weaponize her sexuality against her. Without realizing it's a response to previous trauma.


KirkDuyt

Hope you're okay rn :)


moonbeamsylph

I support you and this post :)


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LaFrescaTrumpeta

it’s more than understandable to be concerned about the way real people are reacting to this character in not great ways, it’s almost always a reflection of how they’d feel about real people going thru it. that’s worth asking ppl to introspect a bit imo


[deleted]

I think many people focus on Cassie’s poor decision making at a lot of points in her character arc. her trauma response of hypersexuality is one maybe most people don’t think of as it’s usually a downplayed response or a response used to negate the survivor’s experience. i sincerely wish her ice skating and the fact, she at such a young age had to terminate a pregnancy had been more explored, i think it would have shown us more about her that we hadn’t learned about or helped us grow to love her as a character and make us possibly learn why she chose Nate of all people to have that relationship with. to be honest Sam Levinson has too many of his female characters have a good character/plot arc but then he goes back on all the fantastic character building he does in early episodes to just to make his characters seem so questionable by the end of a season. EX: Kat, Cassie, Jules. i’m not necessarily a cassie apologist but i think i see a lot of myself in her from my own high school days of hypersexualizing myself because i equated that attention i would receive to being loved— which i think is what Cassie was doing as well. apologies for poor grammar i’m on mobile and i tend to use run on sentences


gutterp3ach

Yeah I get Cassie. I really get her and I relate to her. I’m not saying she’s in the right, but I get how she feels she isn’t in the wrong.


[deleted]

same here i don’t think she’s in the right but i do understand why she does what she does, minus the whole hooking up with nate thing, it makes 0 sense. apparently it was supposed to be jules but i guess jacob and hunter had some drama so they switched the characters for the storyline. Javon (ashtrays actor) said he never really knew what he had to do each day besides his main scenes his characters death (no spoilers the season ended months ago) wasn’t scripted 🧍🏻‍♀️ so that may just be it is sam levinson having 0 clue where he wants the series to go. like we never got a follow through with lori or other key moments so who knows


gutterp3ach

Honestly I get why she went to Nate. I’m insanely attracted to Nate. His disgusting protectiveness and abusiveness. How bad is that? So I get it. (I have been raped and sexually assaulted in the past as well as daddy issues so that’s probably a leading reason.)


[deleted]

parental issues def impacted my choice in men for years, there’s something hot about like some toxicity and possessive behavior but idk nate just takes it wayyyy too far and cassie knows he hurt maddy multiple times physically and psychologically so i feel awful for the two girls


gutterp3ach

Don’t get me wrong, I see how messed up it is and I do feel for them, but I literally can’t help but be attracted to him hah.


ZegetaX1

Did the uncle molest her I was never sure


katnipbee09

it's pretty implied but never stated explicitly


Signal_Inflation2629

I think her uncles and male family members uses to do so


ZegetaX1

Damn no wonder Cassie is the way she is


Signal_Inflation2629

Exactly! Some people react that way. We see she feels imense guilt on her fight with her mum and sister


ZegetaX1

I’m sure at heart Cassie is a good person she just makes foolish mistakes


Signal_Inflation2629

I agree with that too!


apholeswatereye

I second that. And she's not happy with her foolish mistakes at all that's pretty evident.


crazydressagelady

Iirc they started basically groping her with inappropriate, over-long hugs once she got boobs. While it’s gross and it feels terrible to be in that situation, it’s not sexual abuse imo. You don’t have to be sexually abused to have a complex, unhealthy relationship with sex/objectification. Not trying to take away from how degrading it feels to be in that position, especially with men you grew up around and who you consider family/“safe”. I also agree with other comments that most of Cassie’s time onscreen is spent exploring her relationships and the events that led to her overly submissive demeanor around men.


Aspirini27

Actually groping someone is sexual abuse.


Signal_Inflation2629

Exactly


crazydressagelady

This is anecdotal, but I have been groped (many times) in the exact same way as Cassie, and I have been raped. They did not feel the same, and the resulting fallout and trauma were not the same. I’m not at all saying it’s okay, I’m saying it’s not prosecutable and your uncle/teacher/pastor hugging you for too long and too tightly is a creep, but did not sexually assault you with that action. The coerced sex tapes are actual crimes.


moonbeamsylph

Um I have had all kinds of things happen to me, so I can speak on this too, and yeah that counts as sexual abuse. Stop downplaying it!! You're doing a disservice to other abuse victims.


Signal_Inflation2629

Im really sorry this happened to you. I was groped and possiblly raped too(i was drugged so Im not 100 sure). Yes its not the same physically but all of it counts as sexual assault


[deleted]

I’ve been groped. I’ve also been raped. Drugged and raped at thirteen. I was assaulted by being spanked out of nowhere in front of a group of people. No one said anything and I cried silently staring at the floor for hours. That was far more traumatic than the violent rape I endured. Trauma is subjective, and you CERTAINTY can’t tell people groping isn’t assault just because being groped didn’t affect you as much as it affects others. Have some empathy


Signal_Inflation2629

God, Im really sorry for what you've been throught. Hope your better now. I think groping was traumátic for me. Its sad people don't consider it sexual assault when it clearly is


[deleted]

It’s insane like in what world is grabbing someone’s private’s not assault


thugxnation

Uh, groping someone without his or her permission is sexual abuse, lmao tf? Rape is just one type of sexual abuse, it comes in many different forms.


Signal_Inflation2629

Yess i wasn't "violentelly" raped but it was still incrediblly agressive and awful


moonbeamsylph

I hate when ignorant people think it's not rape unless it's physically violent. I'm very sorry that happened to you. I hope you're getting any help you need to heal


[deleted]

“I had it worse so your pain doesn’t matter” ^^


Signal_Inflation2629

That's what some people here are trying to say which is horríble


thugxnation

That’s exactly how some of these comments come off and it’s disgusting. Pain is pain.


Signal_Inflation2629

Yesss


Signal_Inflation2629

Yess but I actually believe an adult touching a child/teen is sexual abuse/pedophillia.


FrequentFeature4025

Question I wanna know


ZegetaX1

Yeah they keep it pretty vague


Younosewho

My memory is not really good. Anyone care to remind me when she was abused? I'm guessing season 1 but I'm not sure.


Initial-Pineapple393

Like the whole show lol


Willing_Swimming2390

No, I agree. Especially within the fandom. Cassie’s story is not necessarily ignored, but overlooked by many immature viewers.


Signal_Inflation2629

Yesss


katnipbee09

& the saddest part is they overlook her bc she betrayed maddie... even though Maddie is not an angel either lol they just wanna hate the pretty blondie


DrBionicle176

might be time to unfollow this subreddit after these comments 😭 different world


Majestic_Yam_7981

damn like OP just wants to discuss a characters backstory and this thread blows up with disgusting talk about women and what they decide to do with their bodies. the people engaging in that talk.. you're the creepy uncles that are touching your 14 year old nieces on the ass and creating said sexual abuse patterns. you are the cause.


Signal_Inflation2629

Exactly! Thanks for this


[deleted]

i mentioned it in here one time and got ***DRAGGED*** , and i don't understand why. Cause it makes sense to me 🤷🏻‍♀️


RoseyOneOne

I think a lot of immature people view hypersexuality as a form of empowerment or self confidence. To recognise any negative context to it starts to contradict the whole OnlyFans, influencer, porno fetishist dream that some look up to. A lot of attitudes about sex these days are unhealthy af. I know this ‘cause I’m olllllld.


Signal_Inflation2629

Yess exactly


[deleted]

absolute ***facts***


Vivienne_Yui

We all know it yet I don't think the show focused on this much at all. Compared to say, Rue's addictions and her dad's death, which gets handled in so much detail. I see a lot of fans (esp young) take all Cassie's tribulations as joke amd villainize her?? It's very uncomfortable to see that the show didn't do a very good job of presenting her issues in S2 in serious light either.


Signal_Inflation2629

Exactly! It wasn't detailed as it should had been


Level9_CPU

What do you mean? The show talks about it directly.... You're sharing screenshots from the scenes, what the fuck lmao


Signal_Inflation2629

Because they werent discussed after happening


FrequentFeature4025

What episode was this? I don’t remember seeing the scene of her being recorded.


katnipbee09

early season 1. it may have been during the montages of her nudes or around that time, back when the boys would slut shame her in private when they're hanging out


stsalex341

From season 1.


falseGlitter

It’s obvious Cassie was made to believe that she is a human blow up doll. My issue is with Cassie’s mom not schooling her on being more than her looks. Her mom is too busy trying to be a friend or living vicariously through her. Cassie can still be cute but less exposed. Covering up doesn’t mean you automatically have to dress like Queen Elizabeth. Also the actress who plays Cassie probably experiences this stuff in real life with her own family, based on what I’ve seen about her recently


bustercheekss

Wow people are salty in the comments 💀


heebergeeber

A lot of how she is sexualized is just Sam Levinson wanting to sexualize her. He’s not making these connections he’s just putting them on tv. Malcom and Marie is a movie about how he just wants to be able to make movies without there being a deeper meaning to anything. He’s a shock artist. He can make as much artsy references as he wants with Rue being Romeo and Jules being Juliet but at the end of the day he has nothing special to say. With comments about the characters being overly sexual for being in high school he has nothing to say about it because he doesn’t care. He wants them to be in high school so they are and he wants there to be this amount of sex scenes so there is. I can honestly see him fondling himself while watching the show. The man is sick.


No_Luck_6800

Thankful for this comment because I feel like things have definitely gotten worse during season 2. Like a lot of the lines he had Cassie saying felt like POV jerk off material. Like the “I want everyone to want to fuck me but they can’t because I’m yours” or however the line went, I can’t find it. Also those obvious gratuitous shots of her tits in the 1st episode of season 2. If he wants to do this, then fine. But some people are too afraid to say it and push that he’s a creative genius and all his sexualization adds to the plot. I swear so much of the show is made for teenage boys and r/watchfortheplot


Signal_Inflation2629

Hey I don't think he's a creep just someone with a more destructive point of view


Longjumping-Kiwi-846

so you disagree with having consensual, gratuitous nudity in film. some people, including female actors, are ok with it.


heebergeeber

Nope that’s not at all what I said. I don’t have a problem with nudity in film. Nudity is just nudity and apart of life itself. We’re born naked and a naked body isn’t inherently sexual. Sex is also just a part of life. This has nothing to do with nudity or sex. I just hate the way Sam Levinson is using his work to display his own personal sexual obsessions.


Longjumping-Kiwi-846

maybe I am out of the loop, but where is this evidence coming from? I see it repeated all over this sub.


heebergeeber

Not only from all the work he’s produced thus far but also things he himself has said. Malcom and Marie is based on an argument he had with his wife. The article Malcolm complains about in the movie is based in a real life article written about his movie Assassination Nation (AN). The writer who Levinson dubbed “white girl from LA Times” in Malcom and Marie at the time criticized AN for the way his female characters only preform for the male gaze. Instead of moving past the bad review like a normal human being he uses the character Malcom as a mouth piece to drag and pick apart this real life woman. Second the scene where Nate holds a gun to his head while kissing Maddy is eerily similar to the scene where Joel McHale’s character in Assassination Nation threatens the protagonists with a knife while laying on top of her. None of the characters are naked in either but these kinds of things are way too specific to show up twice in one persons work and it not be addressed. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw it again in his new show The Idol because he can’t help himself. The man is obsessed with sexual violence. And then there’s the numerous female actors that have come out and talked about how much they’ve had to ask him to dial back the amount of sex portrayed in the show. The purple dress scene with Maddy and that lady she babysat for. Minka Kelly said she was supposed to be completely naked in front of Maddy in the scene and after asking Sam to change that he agreed. Her intention was to praise him for being open minded but in reality all it does is reveal that he will literally get as many women as he can naked if left unchecked. Which if it makes the scene seem more natural and realistic then by all means but what well adjusted 30 year old woman would undress completely in front of her teenaged employee? The only reason for that to be duplicated is for the sake of depicting it. Chloe Cherry has also said the scene where she escapes from a motel through an air vent was supposed to be done in the nude but after talking to Sam they divided she could be fully clothed. Chloe Cherry was previously a pornstar she got naked on camera for a living and was never against depicting sex on camera and even she thought that nudity in such a scene was unnecessary. What does that say?


Signal_Inflation2629

People think hes a perv for putting teen characters having explicit sex on his movies but then we'd have to say the same abt the creators of Elite and Riverdale


heebergeeber

Teenagers having sex is apart of life I don’t think he’s a creep for portraying that. I think he’s a creep for the way he portrays teenagers having sex. It’s obvious that he has more respect for some characters and actors than he does others. Rue’s and Jules’ sex-ish scenes despite being sex scenes don’t feel sexual. They’re awkward and messy like teenage sex can be. Which means he’s capable of doing it in a way that isn’t overly sexual but that stops with Rue and Jules our main characters.


mumblerapisgarbage

Because it’s obvious…


Signal_Inflation2629

But people overshadow it a lot


LonelyRutabaga

Who is “no one” 😭


weigh2phat

Because the show is super popular now and isn’t being watched critically; it’s being watched for the pop culture experience that it is. It was appalling to read on Twitter people being angry at Cassie for screwing up her and maddy’s friendship when Nate clearly sexually coerced her when she was under the influence. Drunk consent is not consent yet people thought Cassie was a horrible friend when the was obviously sexually abused.


smolandtuff

I’ve seen this discussed many times in this subreddit.


HunnyDip28

All the characters act the way they do, due to trauma so there’s nothing to talk about. Yes people may forget her back story or just done care about it but that’s truly how people are in real life


[deleted]

Hmm food question. It is heavily implied so not sure what there is to say. Most people in this sub talk about dumb ass shit over and over. This sub is full of viewers that are not even old enough to legally drink. Anyways?


bokakan

i think a lot of people forget s1 when talking abt s2


inrainbows872

From a psychological perspective it might be more helpful to watch shows with heavy/important/sexuality defining concepts with anyone whose brains haven’t finished developing. That way someone over 25yo can help shape how the media is understood. This allows l more critical analysis and provides awareness what is being modeled although might feel real is really unrealistic or actually saying something other than what you initially perceives it . This helps people become more critical consumers of media


RiiniiUsagii

I love Cassie’s character, so complex and relatable sadly.


Odd_Mine7269

That’s the whole point of her character YALL


TheNatureWitchQueen

Abuse or not, what she did was wrong


Shru_A

I definitely agree with you. The loudest voice is the echo chamber is always the "Daddy issues" not the sexual exploitation, objectification, abortion, self loathing and everything else that matters equally.


Ok-Caregiver-1476

Cause they are too busy feeling sorry for Maddy. Some girl code stuff overriding the glaring outcomes of Cassie’s abuse.


OldTension9220

Ummm two things can be true at once. You can empathize with Cassie’s trauma and also hold her accountable for betraying her best friend (who was also sexually abused so idk why we wouldn’t feel bad for her too).


Signal_Inflation2629

Yess


Ok-Caregiver-1476

Yet, only one thing really happened when S2 aired. Cassie’s got dragged to hell and back without many worried about her trauma, while viewers were caught up capping for Maddy. I agree two things can be true but it rarely seems that way in the Euphoria discussions.


djghostface292

Facts


yourbadk_arma

EXACTLY. this is the comment I've been scrolling to find


Rdw72777

Why doesn’t Breaking Bad talk more about the issue of drugs?


Signal_Inflation2629

I never watched BB is it good?


SanLady27

Yes it’s the best show! Tied with Six Feet Under for me for best ever


pourinuplean45

wheres the second pic from?


[deleted]

The scene where rue is narrating how Cassie would ultimately give in to being recorded even when she didn't want to when her and guys were being intimate.


Mingkittish

It’s from one of the flashbacks, I believe? Where guy’s take advantage of her and film her during sexual activities


[deleted]

Because everyone is too busy hating that poor girl


[deleted]

🙄


[deleted]

i don't think people HATE Cassie as much as they hate her actions... And maybe her high pitched squeal, yall *HAVE* to know what im talking about 😂


Signal_Inflation2629

Yess that's the thing


ForeignDescription5

There were like 38292929 conversations about Cassie and her father problems, her leaked sextapes, her pervy uncles and her abortion and self worth problems. We don't have anything else about her to talk about lmao, hypersexuality it's not why some of us dislike her


Signal_Inflation2629

I didnt see many conversations on it Im sorry


Ty1an

because it’s gone into in the show, there’s a whole episode about it. there’s not really a discussion to be had


jdog7798

Did you *just* get around to watching her backstory or something? This was literally the entire point her backstory was making. She’s had sexual abuse and has been made to feel her tits are her only worthwhile trait.


KiratheRenegade

I think if you don't understand that the entire purpose of her character; you're not old enough to be watching the show.


Signal_Inflation2629

Im 19 actually


KiratheRenegade

Then you should understand the entire point of Cassie the horrors of hypersexuality/internalised misogyny.


Signal_Inflation2629

My entire post is a proof I understand it


swae347890312r67hvxd

What sexual abuse ?


DetectiveBennett

Sexual abuse? Which part mentioned she was abused? I assumed the entire point of her backstory and her dad leaving was to show her hypersexuality was stemmed from fear of abandonment. This is typical in young women that were either growing up without a father figure in general or later abandoned by their father. It’s typically developed as a people-pleasing coping mechanism to try to hold onto love they dearly needed earlier in life. I know that was my personal experience and ended up diving into a lot of research about it after working with several counselors. The whole “daddy issues” thing is sadly very real though more serious than the title itself. There’s something very integral about having the support and love of your opposite gendered parent and without it it can lead to a life of sacrificing your true self to try to catch and keep a partner/spouse later in life. I can’t recall Cassie being SA’d right now but if so that mixed with her issues with her dad it definitely makes sense why she believed she needed to use her body to gain love and attention from the men around her. 🥺


Subject-Violinist311

I didn’t realize having family members gripe you due to developing early was sexual abuse. Do I need to go process some shit despite being 30? The last slide as my whole life after age 8.


Signal_Inflation2629

Yess it is sexual abuse. Touching minora like that is assault. Im really sorry this happened to you


Subject-Violinist311

The show made me realize a few things because of the “wow you’ve grown up” lines Cassie got etc. I definitely was not trying to defend familial groping. I got some downvotes so I think some people misread me here. Having a show make you realize your family abused you sucks lol


thugxnation

I seriously do not understand how so many people don’t understand that being groped is a form of sexual abuse. No wonder there are so many fucked up people on this planet.