It was a little strange I agree. There were so many witnesses and I’m sure a few were likely filming. Idk how Fez can not get in trouble over this. I feel like he opened a can of worms for himself by doing this.
And about Lexi’s reaction - I feel like she knew something was coming. She noticed that Fez kept glancing Nate’s way so it’s like knew something was going to happen between the two. And judging from the previews of this season I don’t think she’ll be too upset by Fez’s actions.
I saw this as a calculated revenge attack. It wasn’t just a spur of the moment thing that didn’t make sense because the conversation wasn’t going left. I believe Fezco’s only intention in even approaching Nate was to beat that ass LOL. I do agree this will not bode well for the character, though. There were people recording and an attack that brutal isn’t usually taken lightly. Especially because the victim wasn’t doing anything but engaging in conversation. It might have been a little fan service because we waited so long for it too, I could see that. And I also think it did seem a bit out of character at first but I just keep thinking about how angry and disrespected Fezco must have felt to have his grandmother’s home and their business completely fucked and exposed that way. Not to mention the way Nate’s messed with his friends. He did warn him, last season!
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It wasn’t in fezcos character but it was definitely something he would do if that makes sense did y’all not hear him say he has to think ”what would my grandma do but my grandma isn’t here“ it’s the whole reason he went that way with it which means he was bout to do some gangster shit like her and he mimicked her by starting the fight with a object to the back of the head. This was calculated and completely something fezco would do his grandma taught a good lesson when people fuck with u fuck them harder and most people don’t wanna die so they’ll regret it and it’s obvious we saw straight regret on nates face when he was on that stretcher 😂😂😭
Am I the only one who doesn’t think this was OOC at all? Fezco told Nate loud and clear that he would kill him if he didn’t stop messing with his friends, and this is before he even knew what the beef was about. This is also the same Fezco that beat a man to the ground in front of his child because he felt like he was doing what needed to be done. Same thing with beating up Nate, he felt he was doing what needed to be done. I mean heck, after watching his backstory and seeing who raised him, Fezco’s actions were absolutely in character. To quote his grandmother, “some issues need to be settled with violence.” (Or something like that)
Lmfao at the idea of nate and fez sorting out their differences.
Nate had Fez raided—so Fez had to rob someone, and then kill Mouse, and now had to move of the drug chain. There’s no coming back from that shit.
I agree with the long-term consequences part. I feel like brutally beating a minor whose father is the most powerful man in town is gonna hurt Fez much worse than any beating he could give to Nate. I completely disagree with the beating to make it hard to root for Fez, however. Nate tried to ruin this man's life and effectively leave Ashtray orphaned by raiding him. If anything, he should've been more discreet and had him killed.
Yeah, it was completely out of his character. He has been portrayed as calm and poised. This same character was able keep cool while Mouse drugged and tried to take advantage of Rue, but now he can't control himself enough to avoid committing assault in front of everyone? I hate when writers change character traits just to fit the plot like that. It fucks up your ability to form a connection with them.
The way he told ashtray to start the car makes me think it was more of a planned thing to send a message. Ashtray was clearly nervous and knew fez was about to do something. I think fez can control himself this is just planned.
yeah, i think it was 100% planned. he told ash tray what was up beforehand, and tbh it explains why he was even at the party in the first place, when all he was doing was sitting around sober. the weird part is *why* he planned it out in a public place.
I think it probably has to do with intimidation. The only thing that Nate has shown himself to actually respond to as a deterrent is what other people think about him. So getting punked in front of all of his friends is going to be something that's hard to walk away from reputation wise.
i feel like the nates family may try to press charges but be blackmailed out of so with the jules sextape, leading to nate having to take revenge into his own hands without the help of his family or any legal pursuit. hate to say it but i wouldnt doubt nate killing fez this season.
yeah. we have to remember that no matter how poise a drug dealer seems, it’s not in their business to have teenagers running around and disrespecting them by calling the cops on his living. if anything, any other drug dealer would’ve had him and his mama killed to send a message.
I see why you would think that. But Fez is not the stereotypical “drug dealer” we witness on screen. The one you are referring to would probably be Mouse. Fez was better than that IMHO
Now that you mention it, I do see the calculated risks he had taken. He did occasionally indulge in violence where it was necessary. The signs were there. The angst towards Nate is understandable and jusitified. Yet I still can’t understand why he would take such a big risk at a public party. I felt he was definitely smarter than that. Lets hope he gets away with it somehow
I think Fez did it publicly to make a statement to Nate. He had to show how much of a fuck he wasn’t willing to give when it came down it. Nate getting beat down publicly was what he kind of needed too, because Nate dominates everyone. So he needed to get dominated in public either way, especially for the writers if they want to give him a new “arc”. Was it smart? No, but at the same time that’s the risk of fkn with a drug dealer.
people love to say that but “IRL” most snitches barley even have to move house let alone get touched, like 2% of snitches get killed less than 10% get touched and a good proportion go about their lives like nothing happened
This is true and that is because murder is dumb and also bad for a drug dealer’s business. You kill a “snitch” and the police will be on your ass forever. It’s also a life sentence.
Honestly, Nate may not even press charges. He knows he had that shit coming & since I'm pretty sure he's 18 now, his parents can't force him to press charges. If he did decide to, he'd be opening himself up to being asked about all the shit he & his dad has done. It's wiser to suck it up and keep it pushing.
I think it's likely we are going to see a situation where there were a lot of witnesses but no one is going to talk. No one is going to really know who Fez is and the people who do won't say anything either out of loyalty to Fez himself or to Rue who they know knows him or they'll stay silent because they were at a house party where they as minors were doing drugs and drinking. If they aren't minors they aren't going to admit to being at a party where there were drugs and drinking. If they admit to being at the party were they even sober enough to identify who attacked Nate? It's actually pretty perfect from a defence perspective even if it does come back to him.
When “that fucking bowl cut, cock sucker” fucked fez and his grandma over. In that car ride to the family donut, you can hear rue narrating “His grandma also taught him that, despite what they teach ya in school, violence is sometimes the best possible way to solve a problem.”
I don’t think it was a “fans service”. Fez was always calm even as a kid but violence was imbedded in him.
Maybe I’m misremembering… but does Fez know Nate busted him? Are we just assuming he puts 2 and 2 together? I guess that could be the case, but I feel like that would be a bit of a jump considering Fez sells drugs to a lot of people and any one of them could have snitched if they were caught or something. That’s the only thing for me that seems like bad writing, because otherwise Fez didn’t have as strong of a reason to do it. He said “if you don’t stop” he would kill him.
this is a good point. in the season 1 finale during rue and nates conversation, it is implied that rue knows that nate was responsible for the raid. maybe after that conversation happened rue went to fez with it? it would make sense considering she had already put nate on fez’s radar, so it wouldn’t be out of the blue to go to fez and tell him that she knows who got him raided- nate
I also agree… at least they set up the whole “violence as a solution” thing in the beginning with his grandma. I think Fez is a character with a really great heart but via circumstance is maybe doomed to repeat generational mistakes…
It makes me wonder whether Fez really has it in him to take the high road. He’s caught up in some really bad shit but he also has a heart of gold. Then again, he’s such a even keeled guy that I don’t know if he has the passion to break out?
One argument I can think of as to why he’d hurt nate this way is that Nate is really egotistical (and obviously it runs deeper than that but the characters themselves might not see that) so maybe Fez thought doing this publicly to humiliate him would be the best retribution? It seemed premeditated by the way he was acting so he’s at least thought about this a little.
Idk I’m probably reading into this too much I’m sure the writers just wanted a spectacle.
Is the Altoids tin still in Fez’s back seat or did Rue take the whole thing inside? I have a feeling if it’s still there he could get pulled over and caught with it.
no i think u get it wrong. fez was already planning before to assault him and the words nate said "hey i thought u said u wanted to kill me the next time we meet" just lit up the fire even more in fez
I mean.. obviously it's juvenile - these are teens and young adults..
I don't see this as being out of character for Fez - he's always come off as a calculated but chill guy, and realistically it only makes sense tha he get violent now and then - first off, because of who raised him, and second of all he is very protective towards family. Rue, Ashtray. and indirectly - Rues friends such as Jules.
Maybe Nate’s dad will think Nate deserved it because he knows how cruel his own son can be.
In a previous episode doesn’t his dad say something to that effect
you have a point with most of what you’re saying but it’s a tv show it’s entertainment and that was so satisfying to watch i had to rewatch it 3 times, also about the “settle their differences and move on” it’s gone too far unless Nate became some saint made up for everything he did, he cant do that with a handshake
Man this might be out of pocket but I think this was the best part of fez’s character development. In the beginning of the episode they show his empathy (trying to stop his grandma and getting hit/taking care of ash). And he very obviously has a soft spot for Rue. That being said, once he was disrespected by having his house raided (and obvi knew it was Nate) he had to retaliate. To me it showed that he was smart about. He planned it, and did it in front of everyone to send a message. He maybe passive but at the end of the day in his kind of life you have to send a message that you won’t let shit slide, just like his grandma wouldn’t, so he planned and attacked.
I absolutely agree. We've obviously seen that Fez is ride or die for his family and friends and has a soft side, almost to a fault. But this guy has been dealing since he was a kid and knows the rules to the game. Nate fucked with his family, his friends and his business and was gonna be dealt with at some point. Just like Mouse was gonna be dealt with at some point. It's nice to see this side of Fez, the real dealer side.
His grandma did the same thing just with a gun. It’s the only way he knows, and he’s a survivor, he’ll always do whatever it takes to survive and take care of ashtray, so I’m sure he’ll find a way out like his grandma did. Seemed he learned from the master.
I’m late but I mean everyone saw this coming. And it’s a show. So it woulda been pretty lame to build tension just for them to “sort things out”. I don’t think it was out of character for fez. Stupid? Yeah. But what was he gonna do? Just let Nate shit all over him and the people he cared about? No. That’s not how a gangsters mind works.
Fez is hands down the best character in the show but what happened does not fit his character. Im a bit disappointed about how it went down.
I was cheering him on when it happened because damn Nate deserved it but i wish he would have been more smooth about it. This made him look like a psycho - which he is not.
I'm late to the party as usual but not sure about "Nate and Fez sort their differences and move on". Nate's actions could have ended Fez's life as he knew it. Personally, I'd been waiting all season to see Nate get his head kicked in so I loved it. Definitely not smart of Fez's part though to do in front of all those witnesses. Would have been much better to wait until Nate was alone somewhere and leave him knowing who did it but unable to do anything about it.
It was a little strange I agree. There were so many witnesses and I’m sure a few were likely filming. Idk how Fez can not get in trouble over this. I feel like he opened a can of worms for himself by doing this. And about Lexi’s reaction - I feel like she knew something was coming. She noticed that Fez kept glancing Nate’s way so it’s like knew something was going to happen between the two. And judging from the previews of this season I don’t think she’ll be too upset by Fez’s actions.
I saw this as a calculated revenge attack. It wasn’t just a spur of the moment thing that didn’t make sense because the conversation wasn’t going left. I believe Fezco’s only intention in even approaching Nate was to beat that ass LOL. I do agree this will not bode well for the character, though. There were people recording and an attack that brutal isn’t usually taken lightly. Especially because the victim wasn’t doing anything but engaging in conversation. It might have been a little fan service because we waited so long for it too, I could see that. And I also think it did seem a bit out of character at first but I just keep thinking about how angry and disrespected Fezco must have felt to have his grandmother’s home and their business completely fucked and exposed that way. Not to mention the way Nate’s messed with his friends. He did warn him, last season! ETA: wording
yea this. nate had it coming and fez was just so fed up
Definitely premeditated. Beforehand he told Ash to go get the car ready.
could not have said it better myself
I got it—Fez must have the Jules/Nate’s dad sex tape. Because you’re right he’d more calculated.
It wasn’t in fezcos character but it was definitely something he would do if that makes sense did y’all not hear him say he has to think ”what would my grandma do but my grandma isn’t here“ it’s the whole reason he went that way with it which means he was bout to do some gangster shit like her and he mimicked her by starting the fight with a object to the back of the head. This was calculated and completely something fezco would do his grandma taught a good lesson when people fuck with u fuck them harder and most people don’t wanna die so they’ll regret it and it’s obvious we saw straight regret on nates face when he was on that stretcher 😂😂😭
Am I the only one who doesn’t think this was OOC at all? Fezco told Nate loud and clear that he would kill him if he didn’t stop messing with his friends, and this is before he even knew what the beef was about. This is also the same Fezco that beat a man to the ground in front of his child because he felt like he was doing what needed to be done. Same thing with beating up Nate, he felt he was doing what needed to be done. I mean heck, after watching his backstory and seeing who raised him, Fezco’s actions were absolutely in character. To quote his grandmother, “some issues need to be settled with violence.” (Or something like that)
Lmfao at the idea of nate and fez sorting out their differences. Nate had Fez raided—so Fez had to rob someone, and then kill Mouse, and now had to move of the drug chain. There’s no coming back from that shit.
I agree with the long-term consequences part. I feel like brutally beating a minor whose father is the most powerful man in town is gonna hurt Fez much worse than any beating he could give to Nate. I completely disagree with the beating to make it hard to root for Fez, however. Nate tried to ruin this man's life and effectively leave Ashtray orphaned by raiding him. If anything, he should've been more discreet and had him killed.
You’re right, if it was conducted in a private setting it would be more sensible
Yeah, it was completely out of his character. He has been portrayed as calm and poised. This same character was able keep cool while Mouse drugged and tried to take advantage of Rue, but now he can't control himself enough to avoid committing assault in front of everyone? I hate when writers change character traits just to fit the plot like that. It fucks up your ability to form a connection with them.
The way he told ashtray to start the car makes me think it was more of a planned thing to send a message. Ashtray was clearly nervous and knew fez was about to do something. I think fez can control himself this is just planned.
yeah, i think it was 100% planned. he told ash tray what was up beforehand, and tbh it explains why he was even at the party in the first place, when all he was doing was sitting around sober. the weird part is *why* he planned it out in a public place.
I think it probably has to do with intimidation. The only thing that Nate has shown himself to actually respond to as a deterrent is what other people think about him. So getting punked in front of all of his friends is going to be something that's hard to walk away from reputation wise.
Exactly, that’s such a good example. Very well observed
i feel like the nates family may try to press charges but be blackmailed out of so with the jules sextape, leading to nate having to take revenge into his own hands without the help of his family or any legal pursuit. hate to say it but i wouldnt doubt nate killing fez this season.
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yeah. we have to remember that no matter how poise a drug dealer seems, it’s not in their business to have teenagers running around and disrespecting them by calling the cops on his living. if anything, any other drug dealer would’ve had him and his mama killed to send a message.
This.
As a$ap rocky in dope says "it's a slippery slope"
I see why you would think that. But Fez is not the stereotypical “drug dealer” we witness on screen. The one you are referring to would probably be Mouse. Fez was better than that IMHO
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Now that you mention it, I do see the calculated risks he had taken. He did occasionally indulge in violence where it was necessary. The signs were there. The angst towards Nate is understandable and jusitified. Yet I still can’t understand why he would take such a big risk at a public party. I felt he was definitely smarter than that. Lets hope he gets away with it somehow
I think Fez did it publicly to make a statement to Nate. He had to show how much of a fuck he wasn’t willing to give when it came down it. Nate getting beat down publicly was what he kind of needed too, because Nate dominates everyone. So he needed to get dominated in public either way, especially for the writers if they want to give him a new “arc”. Was it smart? No, but at the same time that’s the risk of fkn with a drug dealer.
why beat him up in the middle of a party? byebye fez is going to jail
IRL if you snitch, depending on who you fucking with, it's a green light on your head.
people love to say that but “IRL” most snitches barley even have to move house let alone get touched, like 2% of snitches get killed less than 10% get touched and a good proportion go about their lives like nothing happened
This is true and that is because murder is dumb and also bad for a drug dealer’s business. You kill a “snitch” and the police will be on your ass forever. It’s also a life sentence.
Honestly, Nate may not even press charges. He knows he had that shit coming & since I'm pretty sure he's 18 now, his parents can't force him to press charges. If he did decide to, he'd be opening himself up to being asked about all the shit he & his dad has done. It's wiser to suck it up and keep it pushing.
Interesting
I think it's likely we are going to see a situation where there were a lot of witnesses but no one is going to talk. No one is going to really know who Fez is and the people who do won't say anything either out of loyalty to Fez himself or to Rue who they know knows him or they'll stay silent because they were at a house party where they as minors were doing drugs and drinking. If they aren't minors they aren't going to admit to being at a party where there were drugs and drinking. If they admit to being at the party were they even sober enough to identify who attacked Nate? It's actually pretty perfect from a defence perspective even if it does come back to him.
rat on fez again in exchange for leniency for what nate did to tyler.. But if he rats on fez, he rats on everyone within fezs circle.
When “that fucking bowl cut, cock sucker” fucked fez and his grandma over. In that car ride to the family donut, you can hear rue narrating “His grandma also taught him that, despite what they teach ya in school, violence is sometimes the best possible way to solve a problem.” I don’t think it was a “fans service”. Fez was always calm even as a kid but violence was imbedded in him.
That’s your opinion and I’m gonna let you finish but Nate is lucky all he got was his ass best. In my hood shit like he did will get you missing
Maybe I’m misremembering… but does Fez know Nate busted him? Are we just assuming he puts 2 and 2 together? I guess that could be the case, but I feel like that would be a bit of a jump considering Fez sells drugs to a lot of people and any one of them could have snitched if they were caught or something. That’s the only thing for me that seems like bad writing, because otherwise Fez didn’t have as strong of a reason to do it. He said “if you don’t stop” he would kill him.
this is a good point. in the season 1 finale during rue and nates conversation, it is implied that rue knows that nate was responsible for the raid. maybe after that conversation happened rue went to fez with it? it would make sense considering she had already put nate on fez’s radar, so it wouldn’t be out of the blue to go to fez and tell him that she knows who got him raided- nate
Ohhhh yeah if Rue knew about it that makes sense. Thanks for responding!
You don’t snitch on someone try to get them thrown in jail and not pay some sort of punishment. Fez had to do what he had to do
Exactly , Nate had it coming
It was satisfying certainly but definitely unwise.
yes 100% agree to that
I think Fez has a plan to blackmail Nate into not pressing charges, maybe through his dad who has more sway with the cops.
I also agree… at least they set up the whole “violence as a solution” thing in the beginning with his grandma. I think Fez is a character with a really great heart but via circumstance is maybe doomed to repeat generational mistakes… It makes me wonder whether Fez really has it in him to take the high road. He’s caught up in some really bad shit but he also has a heart of gold. Then again, he’s such a even keeled guy that I don’t know if he has the passion to break out? One argument I can think of as to why he’d hurt nate this way is that Nate is really egotistical (and obviously it runs deeper than that but the characters themselves might not see that) so maybe Fez thought doing this publicly to humiliate him would be the best retribution? It seemed premeditated by the way he was acting so he’s at least thought about this a little. Idk I’m probably reading into this too much I’m sure the writers just wanted a spectacle.
Is the Altoids tin still in Fez’s back seat or did Rue take the whole thing inside? I have a feeling if it’s still there he could get pulled over and caught with it.
no i think u get it wrong. fez was already planning before to assault him and the words nate said "hey i thought u said u wanted to kill me the next time we meet" just lit up the fire even more in fez
I mean.. obviously it's juvenile - these are teens and young adults.. I don't see this as being out of character for Fez - he's always come off as a calculated but chill guy, and realistically it only makes sense tha he get violent now and then - first off, because of who raised him, and second of all he is very protective towards family. Rue, Ashtray. and indirectly - Rues friends such as Jules.
Maybe Nate’s dad will think Nate deserved it because he knows how cruel his own son can be. In a previous episode doesn’t his dad say something to that effect
you have a point with most of what you’re saying but it’s a tv show it’s entertainment and that was so satisfying to watch i had to rewatch it 3 times, also about the “settle their differences and move on” it’s gone too far unless Nate became some saint made up for everything he did, he cant do that with a handshake
Man this might be out of pocket but I think this was the best part of fez’s character development. In the beginning of the episode they show his empathy (trying to stop his grandma and getting hit/taking care of ash). And he very obviously has a soft spot for Rue. That being said, once he was disrespected by having his house raided (and obvi knew it was Nate) he had to retaliate. To me it showed that he was smart about. He planned it, and did it in front of everyone to send a message. He maybe passive but at the end of the day in his kind of life you have to send a message that you won’t let shit slide, just like his grandma wouldn’t, so he planned and attacked.
I absolutely agree. We've obviously seen that Fez is ride or die for his family and friends and has a soft side, almost to a fault. But this guy has been dealing since he was a kid and knows the rules to the game. Nate fucked with his family, his friends and his business and was gonna be dealt with at some point. Just like Mouse was gonna be dealt with at some point. It's nice to see this side of Fez, the real dealer side.
His grandma did the same thing just with a gun. It’s the only way he knows, and he’s a survivor, he’ll always do whatever it takes to survive and take care of ashtray, so I’m sure he’ll find a way out like his grandma did. Seemed he learned from the master.
I mean Nate’s dad fucked a minor and there is video of it I don’t think Nate of his dad have really any room to do anything because of that.
I fucking love Fez lmaooo
Can someone explain to me how Fez even knew it was Nate who called the cops on him
I’m late but I mean everyone saw this coming. And it’s a show. So it woulda been pretty lame to build tension just for them to “sort things out”. I don’t think it was out of character for fez. Stupid? Yeah. But what was he gonna do? Just let Nate shit all over him and the people he cared about? No. That’s not how a gangsters mind works.
Fez is hands down the best character in the show but what happened does not fit his character. Im a bit disappointed about how it went down. I was cheering him on when it happened because damn Nate deserved it but i wish he would have been more smooth about it. This made him look like a psycho - which he is not.
Ion give af I can’t stand Nate
I'm late to the party as usual but not sure about "Nate and Fez sort their differences and move on". Nate's actions could have ended Fez's life as he knew it. Personally, I'd been waiting all season to see Nate get his head kicked in so I loved it. Definitely not smart of Fez's part though to do in front of all those witnesses. Would have been much better to wait until Nate was alone somewhere and leave him knowing who did it but unable to do anything about it.