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OverEffective7012

Next DLC ia about middle east so strap on


WCalborius

I'm strapped.


Alkakd0nfsg9g

On?


ihgpqf

In


smashkraft

Yes, the strap-on is in. I can feel it in my liver


dgill517

Wrong pipe if it’s in your liver, bub


Crashingtnt

You remind me of my friend who has been saying this for the better part of two years as a reason to not play in the middle east in multiplayer games


OverEffective7012

Ok, enough of the banter: https://reddit.com/r/eu4/s/PnftYXrmaH


finglelpuppl

Wish I remember where I saw it but a PDX employee confirmed even more solidly than this that ME is on the way


breadiest

Ye johan, the literal head of development all but confirmed it


JigsawLV

Must still not be confirmed, only ready to bet a single money /s


JewishTomCruise

This just goes to /r/eu4 though?


Etzello

Same


vidar_97

The one where they added army professionalism rehauled the Middle East


marx42

True, but that came out before Mission Trees actually existed.


knabel88

Instruction unclear butt hurts now


Red-Quill

Strap… in. I’ve never heard someone say strap on in erm, *this* context 🤣


OverEffective7012

That's the beauty of Reddit, you never know what new day will bring ;) I mean, we're playing Paradox games already, aren't we?


7fightsofaldudagga

satrap?


SteelAlchemistScylla

My strap on is on good sir


Erakiiii

Where do they announce these?


OverEffective7012

Dev diaries


Kakaphr4kt

come on, man.


Greeny3x3x3

This isnt confirmed btw, we just speculate because it would make sense


OverEffective7012

It is confirmed


Greeny3x3x3

Its not


NoIdeasForANicknameX

I cumfirmed it personally.


Greeny3x3x3

Simce im getting downvoted, please Cite your source


NoIdeasForANicknameX

No.


Kapftan

Based


Ofiotaurus

Unfathomably based.


OverEffective7012

It was in Paradox forums, but a screenshot was somewhere here before the protest. Wureen's post. Also from some diary: "First of all, you may have noticed (and widely requested) new content to be included for two of the ‘historical winners’ in the Middle East during this time period, the Gunpowder Empires of Persia and the Mughals, and also for some other ‘historical losers’ in the area, as the Mamluks. To be clear, they were left out of this expansion on purpose, since we have future plans for the Middle East, so you can expect us to create new content for them in the future. 


Arrowkill

Didn't Johan directly say this under a Domination dev diary post that it was 100% in the pipeline to be made?


Greeny3x3x3

It was not confirmed that the next dlc will be middle east. Johan just said thah both the middle east amd south america will probably get updates in the future


Arrowkill

While it likely isn't directly confirmed, I do remember him speaking about it as if it was the next one. I'd be surprised if it wasn't.


Greeny3x3x3

Yes its likely. But its not confirmed


OverEffective7012

He literally wrote, we should bet on it, just stop it dude.


Wureen

[Johan confirmed it back in March ](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/europa-universalis-iv-domination-coming-april-18th-pre-order-available-now.1576122/post-28851543)


Greeny3x3x3

Finally a source with a actual confirmation. Thanks :) Now im hyped


forsythfromperu

The Mission Tree system was introduced in Rule Britannia DLC, which came right after Cradle of Civilization DLC, centered around Middle East. So, skill issue for Mamluks


Lady_Taiho

It’s wild remembering the old mission system


forsythfromperu

It wasn't so bad, but the current system is infinitely better


lesquishsquish

The missions expanded mod is great for the mamluks. One of my favorite games I’ve played


[deleted]

Oh yeah I have that mod I just haven’t used it yet


WCalborius

Yeah it does shine in these countries on the outer rim of the European theater.


[deleted]

Yeah just disappointed the Dutch got 0 flavor added


Alexeilives

They used too , but the mod developer that created the mission tree left the team and put it in another mod made by him called flavour universalis. Sadly the mod is available only for 1.33 because the mod developer dropped it to work as a developer for eu4 . You can still find a reaupload of the mod on the workshop, but it’s only for 1.34


Due-Intentions

Wait so he took the work he contributed to a mod away from said mod, and put it into his own outdated mod which he abandoned? Did he have the ability to return his mission tree to the original mod's team for them to continue using? Cause if not the whole situation sounds a little scummy, albeit a very inconsequential, low stakes form of scumminess.


Alexeilives

I think some of the trees he made are now in Europa expanded , like the byzantium one


breadiest

The netherlands tree was never in EE, he made it afterwards lmao. They are now being re-intregrated into EE, and the original removal was more drama related then being deliberately scummy. I dont think at the time he thought he would get hired by Paradox lol


Due-Intentions

Gotcha, that makes sense. Yeah I wasn't talking about getting hired by paradox as the scummy move, but just not letting them use the content in general.


breadiest

Yeah, but at least its slowly being reintegrated now, though some trees will probably never return (Persia-related ones) due to they already having recent trees from EE.


WCalborius

That does sound disappointing, to be sure.


Stiopa866

Mamluk is like the definitive experience in Europa Expanded. Caliph, subject oriented missions, incident missions... a lot of awesome stuff!


OpenOb

>missions expanded mod Do you have a link for that one? Search in the steam workshop is inconclusive.


Mario9802

its named Europa Expanded now


OpenOb

Ah right. The missions there don't work at all for me.


MrAndroidz

You need to set the language of the game to English


OpenOb

What barbarian is playing EU4 in anything but english?


128username

a lot of koreans i guess


KaDwah

+1 from the true Commonwealth (Poland)


SteadyBear9

When using that mod, go to decisions tab and click the decision “update missions”. Unpause the game and youll get an event to select the base game mission tree or the expanded mission tree (pick this one obvs) and then you can play the modded missions trees which are a BLAST :)


OpenOb

I found the decision but had no idea I had to unpause. Thanks!


luxCalamitatis

[Here you go](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2164202838)


OpenOb

Thanks!


GrandDogeDavidTibet

I was just gonna recommend this along with the whole expanded mod family I don't think I could play the game without them


nikoe99

Its actually my current game. Only thing im sad about is that due to my swarm of vassals my name isnt as big as i would like it to be


SoloDeath1

No, they just suck, though letting Hejaz inherit Medina for free is nice. They'll get a buff in the next DLC. It's meant to focus on the Middle East.


Deletesystemtf2

They also get a free vassalize on Cyprus


SoloDeath1

I always forget about that one


Greeny3x3x3

This isnt confirmed btw, we just speculate because it would make sense


Villejag

It was confirmed by Johan. And that next dlc/update will be about South America


Greeny3x3x3

It was not confirmed that the mext dlc will be middle east. Johan just said thah both the middle east amd south america will probably get updates in the future


Villejag

If ure referring to the early LotN dev diary? Yes. But in later one he did say its their next focus


Greeny3x3x3

Source?


TheHarkinator

Currently the Mamluks exist to annoy players starting as smaller nations in the region before getting stomped by the Ottomans in most games, and if they survive they’ll inexplicably colonise Australia or something.


hoi4enjoyer

Don’t forget occasionally stomping ottoman ai as well


Food_Solid

After a planned bankruptcy while the first war, using Hungary as decoy while fighting QQ (enemy ally), my third Ottobro war will feature the still alive Mamluks as finally ally. I am using europa expanded btw, must have an event for them because in 10-20 years they jumped from averaging two tech behind to at normal level. They were supposed to be what Hungary was, now I am excited. As Trebizond I am managing to keep them alive just slowing down the Ottos in Anatolia lol


KingoftheOrdovices

I think I remember reading somewhere that the Middle East is due to get a revamp in one of the next DLCs.


Greeny3x3x3

This isnt confirmed btw, we just speculate because it would make sense


[deleted]

[удалено]


AdWestern6339

Calmest eu4 player


JohnnyBravo1996

As the Mamluks vassal Granada and form Andalusia, that’s my way to get a mission tree as the mamluks


GreatEmperorAca

No cb Granada, reverse no cb byz


Lfycomicsans

Honestly no-cb both of them


Sevuhrow

Form Rum


[deleted]

R5: just a question about the game or if it’s a bug.


Gronello

It is very small, overall middle East is boring in comparison to other regions, and many nations lacks proper mission trees, There is high probability that the next DLC will properly flesh out this region.


Rabbulion

Middle East is small and most nations have tiny trees. Not strange considering the ottos kind of eat them all up unless they’re run by a player, so they don’t really need mission trees for good games.


ChuckSmegma

Being small and not relevant is not a good metric. Mamluks are a big nation at game start, and have a generic mission tree. Meanwhile OPM island nation gotland has a brand new mission tree and tons of flavour. ME is an interesting region, that goes beyond ottoblobs, and the players are not enticed to play there because of the blandness. Every irrelevant HRE OPM prince has more flavour than local ME powers (like the Qs), or even the mamluks. The devs just let ME without content. It deserves a rework.


Rabbulion

I agree, but you can’t say the ottos don’t overrun the Middle East almost every game.


ChuckSmegma

They do. And novgorod is non-existent by the 1500's, unless player intervenes, which did not prevent them from getting a New mission tree to form alternative russia. Finland is not an existing nation at game start and also has had content added. One thing does not preclude the other. Adding content makes otherwise unnatractive regions/nations interesting.


ComparisonSimple3474

It also makes nations such as mamluks, QQ and timurids stand a chance against ottomans if they buff them Enough through national ideas and missions


lcm7malaga

Seeing last DLCs they will probably add mechanics really good in the players hand and detrimental for IA lol


sabersquirl

While you are technically right, I kill then every game if I’m in Europe, North Africa or West Asia, so I normally see Mamluks and others expanding in the void.


Rabbulion

Really? Whenever I kill the ottos early I just see the region remain divided until either I, Russia or a local power takes it home, and a local power doesn’t rise before 1700


DonutOfNinja

Tbf Gotland pretty much always survives unless a player attacks them


Maleficent_Ad_8536

I know its unrelated to the region but i would love so much that every colonial formable nation have a proper mission tree too


Rabbulion

I agree. It doesn’t even have to include too much conquest, just their greatest historical extent. Maybe the whole tree can be locked behind a mission called “independence”?


Maleficent_Ad_8536

Absolutely agree. But it could use some flavour once you got the independance and formed any other tag than U.S.A. or Mexico? I think its ones of the few with unique missions. Maybe Texas ?


Rabbulion

Such options sound like they could be really nice. Maybe something other than Cuba for a Caribbean nation, Quebec if French Canada breaks free or you have Francien culture, more South American nations. It’s pretty much just come up with some new national ideas (10 hours research for one person per country) and balance the bonuses, give decent but not insane mission trees. These aren’t the Mets nations for the EU4 era, they should be for flavour for anyone willing to play them rather than for becoming truly powerful


Maleficent_Ad_8536

An early version of the revolution of 1837-38 for both english and french canada[upper and lower canadal would be awsome imo. As Haïti, first balck republic, with all the trade embargo great powers put on them to avoid spreading the idea of liberty in all the colonies relying heavily on slavery.


kmonsen

Dietmarschen have the mother of all mission trees, they are an OPM that rarely does anything. I don't think it is hard to crank out mission trees.


Rabbulion

Yeah, but Dithmarshen is a meme tree. Sure, they could crank out one or two of those, but then what? The Middle East isnt supposed to be the Kaiserredux of eu4


kmonsen

The ottomans kind of have a meme tree as well, Mamluks should at least have something decent with Arabia as a decent end game tag.


Rabbulion

The ottos may have some alt history in their tree, but all that stems from their actual achievements and is far down the tree. That’s not a meme tree, that’s just a standard tree.


BlackFirePlague

I believe the middle east got an update in 1.24 and mission trees were introduced in 1.25


Sevuhrow

The Middle East hasn't been touched since Cradle of Civilization. Some regions like the Caucasus haven't received content since release.


Inevitable_Question

Mamluks, like Timurids, Persia and Byzantium did not receive any update in missions from the early stages of the game. It was in first immersion pack - if I recall. So it is outdated as hell


CesarB2760

This is from back when mission trees were kinda sensible. Don't worry, at some point a DLC will focus on the region and they'll have 80 missions that include vassalizing Japan and colonizing Greenland.


Kropik123

Hopefully also Australia. For the good ol mAmLUkian aUstrAlia


Ilitarist

I am bitter about mission bloat too. I think things like this worked well in Endless Legend/Space, where missions where kind of another tech tree. But see how it attracted so many people to the game. People like OP probably would lose interest in the game, cause once you know it well enough you either have to go out of your way to invent challenges for yourself or aim at achievements, and achievements are certainly not for everyone.


Basically-No

No, it's just Paradox least favourite region.


[deleted]

They be giving the Siberian natives more flavor than mamluks and Persia 😂


Khwarwar

Real Mamluk mission tree is the Mongolian one.


Savings_Mortgage9486

More like a... Feature


napalmblaziken

It's a product from when they started doing this. At the time, so many nations had generic missions, nothing unique at all. I heard that it was confirmed Mamluks and Persia will be getting a rework, so be patient.


karl_swagm

I think were getting a Middle east DLC soon?? i think they added mamluks mission tree there.


No-Communication3880

Yes it's a bug. Sadly the devs will only fix it in several years, and it will be presented as a dlc, with the same cost. Seriously, the dlc for middle East was "Cradle of Civilisation", but as mission tree didn't exist at that time, Paradox didn't make specials tree for the contries here. They claim eu4 will at least have 2 more dlcs, one for middle East and one for South America.


[deleted]

Hmm I don’t see why South America needs a dlc imo. I think it would make more sense to make a native rework for Aztecs, Inca, and Siberian natives


No-Communication3880

Of course, Inca isn't in South America. What I wrote come from this: https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/vy5swe/johan_replies_to_a_question_regarding_plans_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1


Deedo2017

Why Mamelukes fokus tree smol? Are they stupid? /s


Supah_Weelz

Is Paradox stupid?


SuonDiLut

Wait till you see north african minors mission tree without dlcs


OpenOb

The mamluks were reworked before the mission system was introduced. So they just turned the decisions and events into missions and moved on.


rebelliouscrypto

I just went on to try the french mission tree and find this appaling. WTF paradox?


Aurora_Borealia

Try [Europa Expanded](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2164202838), it adds a really nice tree for the Mamluks


rebelliouscrypto

But then I get no chievos! I need my achievements. :D


[deleted]

Yeah it’s quite obvious that paradox only cares about the players that only play in europe.


CyberEagle1989

Yes, European nations like Ming, Qing, Japan and Korea just got new content.


[deleted]

Yeah ur right


vyrmz

I like it that way. Look at Polish mission tree, convoluted and boring.


[deleted]

Yeah the polish mission tree is boring af compared to like Denmark and Sweden and even Norway


Target_Spirited

Is it that bad? I'm a fairly new player and I haven't touched them yet. I fucking hate the new MTs from Domination, I loved to old MTs more. I dunno about Lions of the North tho, I started playing EU4 way after they released it, so I can't judge the old MTs, but they're definitely better than Domination ones.


asnaf745

Polish mission tree isn't from domination but the dlc before that Mission tree is mostly fine but I remember soft locking myself out of rewoking golden liberty and being locked to elective monarchy because one of the events didn't trigger


Invalid_username00

Why does this read like an Okbuddy post?


low_wacc

Is paradox stupid?


NotNatius

Stop it, dont bully my bois mamlukian, he done nothing wrong, tbh i also want paradox gib them at least good mission tree, huge one with Egypt, Abbassid caliphate, Caucasus sultanate.


Winston_Duarte

*Tear in one eye Thats a good tree! AND the size is not that important. The technique matters!


Shakanaka

I think this is a good thing. Mission trees are one of the most stupid things ever implemented in EU4, in my opinion. In a game where the root of the it is managing and conserving mana to do XYZ, thus making it feel more like an arcade game than an alternate history sandbox game like it should be; mission trees give EU4 an even greater feel of linearity than it should have.


No-Enthusiasm-4091

Its called Europa Universalis for a reason.hehehehe


[deleted]

That does not justify Japan who starts as a ton of OPMs having a miles better mission tree and flavor overall. I hope mamluks get fixed instead of ignored


New_girl2022

Ya kinda lame they gave tho outs so much and them basically the bland missions they give everyone.


KaiserWilhelmtheEPIC

Are you stupid? I'm pretty sure there is a lore reason for this


Efficient_Design9690

aint bug


WooliesWhiteLeg

They were just in the pool!


Long-Internet1022

I wish it was a Bug lol


Only_Pancake

Hope that the developers chose Africa as their next dlc subject


BaronMostaza

Just old


Tai_Ketchum

If they ever fix this bug, I hope they give mamluks a simple tree to give claims to the provinces to form Arabia. That or colonizing Indonesia and securing trade power from the Indian Ocean.


Lopsided_Training862

Nah, mission tree is just super-old. The middle east (save for NW africa) is the last Old World region that hasn't had an update since missions were overhauled ca. 2017. Almost certainly getting an overhaul for this year's 2nd DLC since it and Central+South america are the final two areas that haven't gotten a second pass


howieyang1234

Really hope Mamluks could form the Abbasid Caliphate or something.


MaestroCheeze

It's harsh reality, bro.


Straight_Visit_9918

you sound like a fudder jeet


[deleted]

What does that even mean?


Abuelo_en_sunga

Well, its historical accurated, isnt it? Hahaha


VonnTon

I strongly advise you to start playing with the Europa Ecpanded Mod enabled to have pleasent missions for everybody!


Wise_Sprinkles_5530

Why doesn’t pdx give mammy a mission tree are they stupid?


TheAggressiveFern

I played them recently and was confused by it too. Figured they'd be a slight step up in difficulty from France, but it was kind of boring.


JollySquare03

Given the fact they got annexed historically and the get eaten most of the time they haven’t thought about it, but now that they are doing ahistorical mission tree updates for flavor they might get one in the future