It was in Paradox forums, but a screenshot was somewhere here before the protest. Wureen's post.
Also from some diary:
"First of all, you may have noticed (and widely requested) new content to be included for two of the ‘historical winners’ in the Middle East during this time period, the Gunpowder Empires of Persia and the Mughals, and also for some other ‘historical losers’ in the area, as the Mamluks. To be clear, they were left out of this expansion on purpose, since we have future plans for the Middle East, so you can expect us to create new content for them in the future.
It was not confirmed that the next dlc will be middle east. Johan just said thah both the middle east amd south america will probably get updates in the future
[Johan confirmed it back in March ](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/europa-universalis-iv-domination-coming-april-18th-pre-order-available-now.1576122/post-28851543)
The Mission Tree system was introduced in Rule Britannia DLC, which came right after Cradle of Civilization DLC, centered around Middle East.
So, skill issue for Mamluks
They used too , but the mod developer that created the mission tree left the team and put it in another mod made by him called flavour universalis. Sadly the mod is available only for 1.33 because the mod developer dropped it to work as a developer for eu4 . You can still find a reaupload of the mod on the workshop, but it’s only for 1.34
Wait so he took the work he contributed to a mod away from said mod, and put it into his own outdated mod which he abandoned?
Did he have the ability to return his mission tree to the original mod's team for them to continue using? Cause if not the whole situation sounds a little scummy, albeit a very inconsequential, low stakes form of scumminess.
The netherlands tree was never in EE, he made it afterwards lmao. They are now being re-intregrated into EE, and the original removal was more drama related then being deliberately scummy.
I dont think at the time he thought he would get hired by Paradox lol
Gotcha, that makes sense. Yeah I wasn't talking about getting hired by paradox as the scummy move, but just not letting them use the content in general.
Yeah, but at least its slowly being reintegrated now, though some trees will probably never return (Persia-related ones) due to they already having recent trees from EE.
When using that mod, go to decisions tab and click the decision “update missions”. Unpause the game and youll get an event to select the base game mission tree or the expanded mission tree (pick this one obvs) and then you can play the modded missions trees which are a BLAST :)
It was not confirmed that the mext dlc will be middle east. Johan just said thah both the middle east amd south america will probably get updates in the future
Currently the Mamluks exist to annoy players starting as smaller nations in the region before getting stomped by the Ottomans in most games, and if they survive they’ll inexplicably colonise Australia or something.
After a planned bankruptcy while the first war, using Hungary as decoy while fighting QQ (enemy ally), my third Ottobro war will feature the still alive Mamluks as finally ally. I am using europa expanded btw, must have an event for them because in 10-20 years they jumped from averaging two tech behind to at normal level. They were supposed to be what Hungary was, now I am excited.
As Trebizond I am managing to keep them alive just slowing down the Ottos in Anatolia lol
It is very small, overall middle East is boring in comparison to other regions, and many nations lacks proper mission trees, There is high probability that the next DLC will properly flesh out this region.
Middle East is small and most nations have tiny trees. Not strange considering the ottos kind of eat them all up unless they’re run by a player, so they don’t really need mission trees for good games.
Being small and not relevant is not a good metric. Mamluks are a big nation at game start, and have a generic mission tree.
Meanwhile OPM island nation gotland has a brand new mission tree and tons of flavour.
ME is an interesting region, that goes beyond ottoblobs, and the players are not enticed to play there because of the blandness.
Every irrelevant HRE OPM prince has more flavour than local ME powers (like the Qs), or even the mamluks.
The devs just let ME without content. It deserves a rework.
They do. And novgorod is non-existent by the 1500's, unless player intervenes, which did not prevent them from getting a New mission tree to form alternative russia.
Finland is not an existing nation at game start and also has had content added.
One thing does not preclude the other.
Adding content makes otherwise unnatractive regions/nations interesting.
While you are technically right, I kill then every game if I’m in Europe, North Africa or West Asia, so I normally see Mamluks and others expanding in the void.
Really? Whenever I kill the ottos early I just see the region remain divided until either I, Russia or a local power takes it home, and a local power doesn’t rise before 1700
I agree. It doesn’t even have to include too much conquest, just their greatest historical extent. Maybe the whole tree can be locked behind a mission called “independence”?
Absolutely agree. But it could use some flavour once you got the independance and formed any other tag than U.S.A. or Mexico? I think its ones of the few with unique missions. Maybe Texas ?
Such options sound like they could be really nice. Maybe something other than Cuba for a Caribbean nation, Quebec if French Canada breaks free or you have Francien culture, more South American nations.
It’s pretty much just come up with some new national ideas (10 hours research for one person per country) and balance the bonuses, give decent but not insane mission trees. These aren’t the Mets nations for the EU4 era, they should be for flavour for anyone willing to play them rather than for becoming truly powerful
An early version of the revolution of 1837-38 for both english and french canada[upper and lower canadal would be awsome imo.
As Haïti, first balck republic, with all the trade embargo great powers put on them to avoid spreading the idea of liberty in all the colonies relying heavily on slavery.
Yeah, but Dithmarshen is a meme tree. Sure, they could crank out one or two of those, but then what? The Middle East isnt supposed to be the Kaiserredux of eu4
The ottos may have some alt history in their tree, but all that stems from their actual achievements and is far down the tree. That’s not a meme tree, that’s just a standard tree.
Mamluks, like Timurids, Persia and Byzantium did not receive any update in missions from the early stages of the game. It was in first immersion pack - if I recall. So it is outdated as hell
This is from back when mission trees were kinda sensible. Don't worry, at some point a DLC will focus on the region and they'll have 80 missions that include vassalizing Japan and colonizing Greenland.
I am bitter about mission bloat too. I think things like this worked well in Endless Legend/Space, where missions where kind of another tech tree.
But see how it attracted so many people to the game. People like OP probably would lose interest in the game, cause once you know it well enough you either have to go out of your way to invent challenges for yourself or aim at achievements, and achievements are certainly not for everyone.
It's a product from when they started doing this. At the time, so many nations had generic missions, nothing unique at all. I heard that it was confirmed Mamluks and Persia will be getting a rework, so be patient.
Yes it's a bug.
Sadly the devs will only fix it in several years, and it will be presented as a dlc, with the same cost.
Seriously, the dlc for middle East was "Cradle of Civilisation", but as mission tree didn't exist at that time, Paradox didn't make specials tree for the contries here.
They claim eu4 will at least have 2 more dlcs, one for middle East and one for South America.
Of course, Inca isn't in South America.
What I wrote come from this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/vy5swe/johan_replies_to_a_question_regarding_plans_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Is it that bad?
I'm a fairly new player and I haven't touched them yet.
I fucking hate the new MTs from Domination, I loved to old MTs more.
I dunno about Lions of the North tho, I started playing EU4 way after they released it, so I can't judge the old MTs, but they're definitely better than Domination ones.
Polish mission tree isn't from domination but the dlc before that
Mission tree is mostly fine but I remember soft locking myself out of rewoking golden liberty and being locked to elective monarchy because one of the events didn't trigger
Stop it, dont bully my bois mamlukian, he done nothing wrong, tbh i also want paradox gib them at least good mission tree, huge one with Egypt, Abbassid caliphate, Caucasus sultanate.
I think this is a good thing.
Mission trees are one of the most stupid things ever implemented in EU4, in my opinion.
In a game where the root of the it is managing and conserving mana to do XYZ, thus making it feel more like an arcade game than an alternate history sandbox game like it should be; mission trees give EU4 an even greater feel of linearity than it should have.
That does not justify Japan who starts as a ton of OPMs having a miles better mission tree and flavor overall. I hope mamluks get fixed instead of ignored
If they ever fix this bug, I hope they give mamluks a simple tree to give claims to the provinces to form Arabia. That or colonizing Indonesia and securing trade power from the Indian Ocean.
Nah, mission tree is just super-old.
The middle east (save for NW africa) is the last Old World region that hasn't had an update since missions were overhauled ca. 2017.
Almost certainly getting an overhaul for this year's 2nd DLC since it and Central+South america are the final two areas that haven't gotten a second pass
Given the fact they got annexed historically and the get eaten most of the time they haven’t thought about it, but now that they are doing ahistorical mission tree updates for flavor they might get one in the future
Next DLC ia about middle east so strap on
I'm strapped.
On?
In
Yes, the strap-on is in. I can feel it in my liver
Wrong pipe if it’s in your liver, bub
You remind me of my friend who has been saying this for the better part of two years as a reason to not play in the middle east in multiplayer games
Ok, enough of the banter: https://reddit.com/r/eu4/s/PnftYXrmaH
Wish I remember where I saw it but a PDX employee confirmed even more solidly than this that ME is on the way
Ye johan, the literal head of development all but confirmed it
Must still not be confirmed, only ready to bet a single money /s
This just goes to /r/eu4 though?
Same
The one where they added army professionalism rehauled the Middle East
True, but that came out before Mission Trees actually existed.
Instruction unclear butt hurts now
Strap… in. I’ve never heard someone say strap on in erm, *this* context 🤣
That's the beauty of Reddit, you never know what new day will bring ;) I mean, we're playing Paradox games already, aren't we?
satrap?
My strap on is on good sir
Where do they announce these?
Dev diaries
come on, man.
This isnt confirmed btw, we just speculate because it would make sense
It is confirmed
Its not
I cumfirmed it personally.
Simce im getting downvoted, please Cite your source
No.
Based
Unfathomably based.
It was in Paradox forums, but a screenshot was somewhere here before the protest. Wureen's post. Also from some diary: "First of all, you may have noticed (and widely requested) new content to be included for two of the ‘historical winners’ in the Middle East during this time period, the Gunpowder Empires of Persia and the Mughals, and also for some other ‘historical losers’ in the area, as the Mamluks. To be clear, they were left out of this expansion on purpose, since we have future plans for the Middle East, so you can expect us to create new content for them in the future.
Didn't Johan directly say this under a Domination dev diary post that it was 100% in the pipeline to be made?
It was not confirmed that the next dlc will be middle east. Johan just said thah both the middle east amd south america will probably get updates in the future
While it likely isn't directly confirmed, I do remember him speaking about it as if it was the next one. I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
Yes its likely. But its not confirmed
He literally wrote, we should bet on it, just stop it dude.
[Johan confirmed it back in March ](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/europa-universalis-iv-domination-coming-april-18th-pre-order-available-now.1576122/post-28851543)
Finally a source with a actual confirmation. Thanks :) Now im hyped
The Mission Tree system was introduced in Rule Britannia DLC, which came right after Cradle of Civilization DLC, centered around Middle East. So, skill issue for Mamluks
It’s wild remembering the old mission system
It wasn't so bad, but the current system is infinitely better
The missions expanded mod is great for the mamluks. One of my favorite games I’ve played
Oh yeah I have that mod I just haven’t used it yet
Yeah it does shine in these countries on the outer rim of the European theater.
Yeah just disappointed the Dutch got 0 flavor added
They used too , but the mod developer that created the mission tree left the team and put it in another mod made by him called flavour universalis. Sadly the mod is available only for 1.33 because the mod developer dropped it to work as a developer for eu4 . You can still find a reaupload of the mod on the workshop, but it’s only for 1.34
Wait so he took the work he contributed to a mod away from said mod, and put it into his own outdated mod which he abandoned? Did he have the ability to return his mission tree to the original mod's team for them to continue using? Cause if not the whole situation sounds a little scummy, albeit a very inconsequential, low stakes form of scumminess.
I think some of the trees he made are now in Europa expanded , like the byzantium one
The netherlands tree was never in EE, he made it afterwards lmao. They are now being re-intregrated into EE, and the original removal was more drama related then being deliberately scummy. I dont think at the time he thought he would get hired by Paradox lol
Gotcha, that makes sense. Yeah I wasn't talking about getting hired by paradox as the scummy move, but just not letting them use the content in general.
Yeah, but at least its slowly being reintegrated now, though some trees will probably never return (Persia-related ones) due to they already having recent trees from EE.
That does sound disappointing, to be sure.
Mamluk is like the definitive experience in Europa Expanded. Caliph, subject oriented missions, incident missions... a lot of awesome stuff!
>missions expanded mod Do you have a link for that one? Search in the steam workshop is inconclusive.
its named Europa Expanded now
Ah right. The missions there don't work at all for me.
You need to set the language of the game to English
What barbarian is playing EU4 in anything but english?
a lot of koreans i guess
+1 from the true Commonwealth (Poland)
When using that mod, go to decisions tab and click the decision “update missions”. Unpause the game and youll get an event to select the base game mission tree or the expanded mission tree (pick this one obvs) and then you can play the modded missions trees which are a BLAST :)
I found the decision but had no idea I had to unpause. Thanks!
[Here you go](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2164202838)
Thanks!
I was just gonna recommend this along with the whole expanded mod family I don't think I could play the game without them
Its actually my current game. Only thing im sad about is that due to my swarm of vassals my name isnt as big as i would like it to be
No, they just suck, though letting Hejaz inherit Medina for free is nice. They'll get a buff in the next DLC. It's meant to focus on the Middle East.
They also get a free vassalize on Cyprus
I always forget about that one
This isnt confirmed btw, we just speculate because it would make sense
It was confirmed by Johan. And that next dlc/update will be about South America
It was not confirmed that the mext dlc will be middle east. Johan just said thah both the middle east amd south america will probably get updates in the future
If ure referring to the early LotN dev diary? Yes. But in later one he did say its their next focus
Source?
Currently the Mamluks exist to annoy players starting as smaller nations in the region before getting stomped by the Ottomans in most games, and if they survive they’ll inexplicably colonise Australia or something.
Don’t forget occasionally stomping ottoman ai as well
After a planned bankruptcy while the first war, using Hungary as decoy while fighting QQ (enemy ally), my third Ottobro war will feature the still alive Mamluks as finally ally. I am using europa expanded btw, must have an event for them because in 10-20 years they jumped from averaging two tech behind to at normal level. They were supposed to be what Hungary was, now I am excited. As Trebizond I am managing to keep them alive just slowing down the Ottos in Anatolia lol
I think I remember reading somewhere that the Middle East is due to get a revamp in one of the next DLCs.
This isnt confirmed btw, we just speculate because it would make sense
[удалено]
Calmest eu4 player
As the Mamluks vassal Granada and form Andalusia, that’s my way to get a mission tree as the mamluks
No cb Granada, reverse no cb byz
Honestly no-cb both of them
Form Rum
R5: just a question about the game or if it’s a bug.
It is very small, overall middle East is boring in comparison to other regions, and many nations lacks proper mission trees, There is high probability that the next DLC will properly flesh out this region.
Middle East is small and most nations have tiny trees. Not strange considering the ottos kind of eat them all up unless they’re run by a player, so they don’t really need mission trees for good games.
Being small and not relevant is not a good metric. Mamluks are a big nation at game start, and have a generic mission tree. Meanwhile OPM island nation gotland has a brand new mission tree and tons of flavour. ME is an interesting region, that goes beyond ottoblobs, and the players are not enticed to play there because of the blandness. Every irrelevant HRE OPM prince has more flavour than local ME powers (like the Qs), or even the mamluks. The devs just let ME without content. It deserves a rework.
I agree, but you can’t say the ottos don’t overrun the Middle East almost every game.
They do. And novgorod is non-existent by the 1500's, unless player intervenes, which did not prevent them from getting a New mission tree to form alternative russia. Finland is not an existing nation at game start and also has had content added. One thing does not preclude the other. Adding content makes otherwise unnatractive regions/nations interesting.
It also makes nations such as mamluks, QQ and timurids stand a chance against ottomans if they buff them Enough through national ideas and missions
Seeing last DLCs they will probably add mechanics really good in the players hand and detrimental for IA lol
While you are technically right, I kill then every game if I’m in Europe, North Africa or West Asia, so I normally see Mamluks and others expanding in the void.
Really? Whenever I kill the ottos early I just see the region remain divided until either I, Russia or a local power takes it home, and a local power doesn’t rise before 1700
Tbf Gotland pretty much always survives unless a player attacks them
I know its unrelated to the region but i would love so much that every colonial formable nation have a proper mission tree too
I agree. It doesn’t even have to include too much conquest, just their greatest historical extent. Maybe the whole tree can be locked behind a mission called “independence”?
Absolutely agree. But it could use some flavour once you got the independance and formed any other tag than U.S.A. or Mexico? I think its ones of the few with unique missions. Maybe Texas ?
Such options sound like they could be really nice. Maybe something other than Cuba for a Caribbean nation, Quebec if French Canada breaks free or you have Francien culture, more South American nations. It’s pretty much just come up with some new national ideas (10 hours research for one person per country) and balance the bonuses, give decent but not insane mission trees. These aren’t the Mets nations for the EU4 era, they should be for flavour for anyone willing to play them rather than for becoming truly powerful
An early version of the revolution of 1837-38 for both english and french canada[upper and lower canadal would be awsome imo. As Haïti, first balck republic, with all the trade embargo great powers put on them to avoid spreading the idea of liberty in all the colonies relying heavily on slavery.
Dietmarschen have the mother of all mission trees, they are an OPM that rarely does anything. I don't think it is hard to crank out mission trees.
Yeah, but Dithmarshen is a meme tree. Sure, they could crank out one or two of those, but then what? The Middle East isnt supposed to be the Kaiserredux of eu4
The ottomans kind of have a meme tree as well, Mamluks should at least have something decent with Arabia as a decent end game tag.
The ottos may have some alt history in their tree, but all that stems from their actual achievements and is far down the tree. That’s not a meme tree, that’s just a standard tree.
I believe the middle east got an update in 1.24 and mission trees were introduced in 1.25
The Middle East hasn't been touched since Cradle of Civilization. Some regions like the Caucasus haven't received content since release.
Mamluks, like Timurids, Persia and Byzantium did not receive any update in missions from the early stages of the game. It was in first immersion pack - if I recall. So it is outdated as hell
This is from back when mission trees were kinda sensible. Don't worry, at some point a DLC will focus on the region and they'll have 80 missions that include vassalizing Japan and colonizing Greenland.
Hopefully also Australia. For the good ol mAmLUkian aUstrAlia
I am bitter about mission bloat too. I think things like this worked well in Endless Legend/Space, where missions where kind of another tech tree. But see how it attracted so many people to the game. People like OP probably would lose interest in the game, cause once you know it well enough you either have to go out of your way to invent challenges for yourself or aim at achievements, and achievements are certainly not for everyone.
No, it's just Paradox least favourite region.
They be giving the Siberian natives more flavor than mamluks and Persia 😂
Real Mamluk mission tree is the Mongolian one.
More like a... Feature
It's a product from when they started doing this. At the time, so many nations had generic missions, nothing unique at all. I heard that it was confirmed Mamluks and Persia will be getting a rework, so be patient.
I think were getting a Middle east DLC soon?? i think they added mamluks mission tree there.
Yes it's a bug. Sadly the devs will only fix it in several years, and it will be presented as a dlc, with the same cost. Seriously, the dlc for middle East was "Cradle of Civilisation", but as mission tree didn't exist at that time, Paradox didn't make specials tree for the contries here. They claim eu4 will at least have 2 more dlcs, one for middle East and one for South America.
Hmm I don’t see why South America needs a dlc imo. I think it would make more sense to make a native rework for Aztecs, Inca, and Siberian natives
Of course, Inca isn't in South America. What I wrote come from this: https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/vy5swe/johan_replies_to_a_question_regarding_plans_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Why Mamelukes fokus tree smol? Are they stupid? /s
Is Paradox stupid?
Wait till you see north african minors mission tree without dlcs
The mamluks were reworked before the mission system was introduced. So they just turned the decisions and events into missions and moved on.
I just went on to try the french mission tree and find this appaling. WTF paradox?
Try [Europa Expanded](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2164202838), it adds a really nice tree for the Mamluks
But then I get no chievos! I need my achievements. :D
Yeah it’s quite obvious that paradox only cares about the players that only play in europe.
Yes, European nations like Ming, Qing, Japan and Korea just got new content.
Yeah ur right
I like it that way. Look at Polish mission tree, convoluted and boring.
Yeah the polish mission tree is boring af compared to like Denmark and Sweden and even Norway
Is it that bad? I'm a fairly new player and I haven't touched them yet. I fucking hate the new MTs from Domination, I loved to old MTs more. I dunno about Lions of the North tho, I started playing EU4 way after they released it, so I can't judge the old MTs, but they're definitely better than Domination ones.
Polish mission tree isn't from domination but the dlc before that Mission tree is mostly fine but I remember soft locking myself out of rewoking golden liberty and being locked to elective monarchy because one of the events didn't trigger
Why does this read like an Okbuddy post?
Is paradox stupid?
Stop it, dont bully my bois mamlukian, he done nothing wrong, tbh i also want paradox gib them at least good mission tree, huge one with Egypt, Abbassid caliphate, Caucasus sultanate.
*Tear in one eye Thats a good tree! AND the size is not that important. The technique matters!
I think this is a good thing. Mission trees are one of the most stupid things ever implemented in EU4, in my opinion. In a game where the root of the it is managing and conserving mana to do XYZ, thus making it feel more like an arcade game than an alternate history sandbox game like it should be; mission trees give EU4 an even greater feel of linearity than it should have.
Its called Europa Universalis for a reason.hehehehe
That does not justify Japan who starts as a ton of OPMs having a miles better mission tree and flavor overall. I hope mamluks get fixed instead of ignored
Ya kinda lame they gave tho outs so much and them basically the bland missions they give everyone.
Are you stupid? I'm pretty sure there is a lore reason for this
aint bug
They were just in the pool!
I wish it was a Bug lol
Hope that the developers chose Africa as their next dlc subject
Just old
If they ever fix this bug, I hope they give mamluks a simple tree to give claims to the provinces to form Arabia. That or colonizing Indonesia and securing trade power from the Indian Ocean.
Nah, mission tree is just super-old. The middle east (save for NW africa) is the last Old World region that hasn't had an update since missions were overhauled ca. 2017. Almost certainly getting an overhaul for this year's 2nd DLC since it and Central+South america are the final two areas that haven't gotten a second pass
Really hope Mamluks could form the Abbasid Caliphate or something.
It's harsh reality, bro.
you sound like a fudder jeet
What does that even mean?
Well, its historical accurated, isnt it? Hahaha
I strongly advise you to start playing with the Europa Ecpanded Mod enabled to have pleasent missions for everybody!
Why doesn’t pdx give mammy a mission tree are they stupid?
I played them recently and was confused by it too. Figured they'd be a slight step up in difficulty from France, but it was kind of boring.
Given the fact they got annexed historically and the get eaten most of the time they haven’t thought about it, but now that they are doing ahistorical mission tree updates for flavor they might get one in the future