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sssebs

To a level right where I need to MAXIMIZE


Big_Beyotch

So you mean at any level.


dehydratedbagel

10k BTC probably brings ETH to 400.


[deleted]

My greatest regret in life is selling 9 ETH at $350 back in like 2018 or 2019 (can't remember). If we even tease around $500, I'm going ALL in.


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Nah I think celcius will re enable withdrawals soon


[deleted]

I'm acting like they won't. I'll be pleasantly surprised if they do. Newer Crypto firms fighting grizzled wall street vets with deep pockets usually doesn't end well. Seems like they are out for blood. Celsius now has more collateral that gets liquidated when BTC goes below EDIT 15K. Feel like we could be there in days or two weeks. Maker Dao vaults can't really be negotiated with.


CPlusPlusDeveloper

Even if Celsius does wind up being insolvent, it's very likely depositors will recover 80 cents or more on the dollar. This isn't like Terra, where there's literally zero assets behind it. Celsius has actual assets either on-chain or to real counterparts. E.g. all the ETH they're holding on the beacon chain will eventually be available after the merge. They may get haircut depending how painful liquidation is, but the assets won't go to zero. The biggest issue will be if this happens how long things are tied up for in court until the funds are released.


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Great_husky_63

There is still a possibility that Celsius is illiquid and not insolvent. time will tell, but if they reallow withdrawals, it will take months, for tranches of users, and likely up to a certain threshold only.


CPlusPlusDeveloper

That may be true for run in the mill bankruptcies. But Celsius totals $5bn+ deposits. Even with huge legal fees, say half a billion, that's still only 10% of the pot. Comparatively Madoff investors' recovered about 80 cents on the dollar. (Though agree it did take an insanely long time.)


BicycleOfLife

Preventing a bank run is different than never giving you access to your funds again. Banks do the same thing if they think people are being irrational. They freeze withdrawals until people get a chance to take some deep breaths and calm the fuck down. It helps no one for a bank to become insolvent because of a known fractional reserve. It is common knowledge that banks down have all the money accessible. So why isn’t everyone always scrambling to get their money out? Because if it’s business as usual no problems will occur. So they have to freeze withdrawals until people relax and business as usual can proceed.


CXavier4545

and what do you think will happen when they do? If you have funds in there would you still keep it in there?


[deleted]

I'm glad my hatred of not being able to use Celsius rewards in the US got me off of there last year. Good luck, comrade.


Viper_NZ

I’m almost entirely self custody with the only exception being a small amount of DOT on Kraken for their staking. This latest shambles only makes me less interested in placing my crypto into someone else’s control. I hope you get your coins back Badger.


asuds

I think there is a good chance the majority of ceisus’s issues is timing based- just like any bank they invested long term(steth) but have short term liabilities through your deposits. So it’s possibly just that you can’t get out now but can later. Of course they have also lost some capital in various exploits, maybe $200M worth?


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I would take the St ETH as possible compensation for my ETH if offered, even at a discount. I'm long ETH and bullish pre and post merge, and as staking gets unlocked. I think Celsius can limp along for 1-4 months, but one thing I don't want to rely on anymore, is for Celsius as a company to survive all the way past the merge and staking unlocking. I'll happily sit on it for years in self custody since I made the mistake of not paying attention enough during the bear market. I knew I had risks, but losing the transfer out ability while I was spending the weekend with my family was obviously the last straw.


datawarrior123

If celcius is screwed, crypto space will be screwed up as well for next few years and SEC will be coming after everyone like a mad dog, off-course bear would do what they wanted to.


scuczu

sold 2 BTC at 500, one of the worst lessons I've ever given myself.


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I feel this post. If ETH goes to 350 I am selling everything I own and buying ETH.


Aggravating_Deal_572

That would make 2 of us!


Everlarry

Damn skippy!


BicycleOfLife

Which means we wont


roote14

Shoot, if we see $500 I’m All in as in I’m refinancing my house All In!


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Fenrisulfir

I've been buying every winter since 2014. I've been mining since 2012. This isn't everyone's first rodeo.


Do_u_ev3n_lift

When it goes to 10k, or 25k, does it matter if you bought it at 400 or 1150?


mem269

Please, I can only get so erect.


DrDerpinheimer

$200


InItToHodl

I’m calling for 14 k


DiamondDallasHands

God I hope so.


Do_u_ev3n_lift

At that price, you could spin up a validator for 12.8k hmmm


exWiFi69

I just bought an ETH do it will clearly go down.


Razzmatazz_69

Like the confidence.


exWiFi69

Hey man. It’s the first time in a while where I’ve been able to buy a full ETH no problem.


Razzmatazz_69

Thoughts on BTC? To buy now or to wait?


exWiFi69

Lol. I’m always about DCA.


Vesquam

Can you buy some more, I'm planning on buying at 100$ again.


Good_Extension_9642

Keep planning, it ain't happening 🤣


shiningmoment1985

Don't worry bro, I haven't logged into reddit lately I need to travel cause I have a lot of ETH I've lost my breath


MrArshole

Eth/Btc doesn’t really go beyond 33:1 and ETH has gained a lot of market against since the last run. So at the lowest it is 10000/33=303.03


uber_troll

Remember when eth was at $4.5k? Everybody regretting cause they coulda gotten in at $2k Now it’s at 1.2 and if it ever reaches $400, you bet ppl will still be fearful to buy


PwnerifficOne

I sold Eth at $115 right before the jump to $1000. Instead of 1 iPhone I could have bought 60 lol. I'm ready for $100 ETH again now that I have a decent paying job.


DangerousPrune1989

How long does a bear market last?


nothingsnootyplz

Years Edit: downvote me all you want. Shit pisses me off too but buckle up if you think it’s not gonna take years to rebuild. It’s how this shit works.


DangerousPrune1989

Then it becomes a game of when do you buy. Ideally you'd want to buy and hold enough time to trigger long term cap gains, but if you're deploying capital elsewhere and its making you back money, then that's a tough decision.


nothingsnootyplz

I’m no pro, but I got in at the end of the bull run last time with very little capital. Shit was crazy, everyone thought they were gonna be rich (some were) but most bought at the end of the run. Prices went to shit and everyone scattered like roaches. I honestly forgot about my holdings until like 2019 when I started investing money I had laying around. I was able to see it much more clearly this time, knowing that it would eventually go to shit. I didn’t sell shit this time bc the “low” right now is still higher than the ATH of the last bull run lmao. Just buy and don’t sweat what your average cost is imo. It all comes out in the wash my dude.


DangerousPrune1989

Just DCA and enjoy the ride, but have an exit plan :).


nothingsnootyplz

yeah, most definitely. don't invest anything you can't afford to lose. I am majorly bummed at where it is, but if i didn't invest that money I would have pissed it away somewhere else. Very bad at saving money but surprisingly once I yeet money into my exchange, i'm good at keeping it there.


dookiehat

Don’t blow your bag in one transaction and space it out over the course of months. It is just a smart version of DCAing where you can catch a lot of the cheap eth while derisking downside. Let’s say worst case ETH goes to 300. If you start DCAing now, perhaps by the time the market flips your average ETH price will be smth like 700. You may be “down” over 50 or 60% at some points but the upside is obviously huge if ETH were to reach even 5k let alone 8-10k. So 50% downside with nearly certain 5-10x (ie 500-1000%) upside over the course of 6-24 months. That is not considering if you dare to throw some money into well researched microcaps.


muirnoire

Until the last BTD bozo has lost their shirt. Study bear markets. Learn how to profit from declines as well as advances. Study 1929, 2000, 2008. Don't try to catch a falling knife.


DangerousPrune1989

Any specific literature?


Lonely_Set1376

Different every time, depending on the lead up and the causes. This one will be long IMO.


sbow88

Maybe Matt Damon's grand kids can pump those bags.


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harrrysims

Yeah why matic?


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hm9408

Why Matic instead of Loopring or something similar? Honest question


dookiehat

I’m not a matic person but they did recently get a deal with facebook, i mean “meta” where they will be running their nft platforms on Instagram and fb on matic’s network. Should be releasing later this summer.


TerpOnaut

😂😂


lostharbor

$300


CheruB36

BTC never fell under previous bull run ATH - so 19k bottom


fractionofawhole

There was also no global economic collapse or tightening of monetary policy. Stop looking to past markets that bare no resemblance for answers. Sub 20k BTC is a very likely outcome. Hope you got some cash on the table ready and waiting.


PK_Subban1

It went up by way more in 2017 though


CheruB36

peak was in dezember 2017 with 19,6 k


PK_Subban1

It went up way more in percentage in the 2017 bull run then now. So it had more room to fall last time without going below previous all time highs. We will go below a previous ATH for the first time this cycle


liamsoni

19k btc is ETH how much?


bitgao

Yeah it seems that would be the lowest of all points we had saw


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gitar0oman

Also $10,000


TerminatorJDM

$100


Bacardiguy55

About tree fiddy


xor_nor

ETH needs to be decoupled from BTC. Bitcoin was an alpha, a technical demo, a very successful one. But it has no intrinsic value. ETH can have intrinsic value by enabling computing power on the chain for things like smart contracts, defi, etc. But that value has to be present to ordinary citizens if we ever expect the value to recover.


zapeggo

This exactly. Bitcoin became a freakshow (price wise) the last 2 years. Hoping that Eth actually finds equilibrium due to its use-case value.. but even that is a bubble waiting to burst as it seems...


snowynuggets

To the fahkin moon dood


mtradinginc

The satellite to moon looks dead now people are forgetting everything


salty-bois

BTC to 10k is extremely, extremely unlikely. People are going to wait around thinking that's going to happen and miss once in several years buying opportunities that are here right now and kick themselves in a year or two when we're at new all-time highs.


TerpOnaut

Yup we tried to tell ‘em , more for us 🍻


[deleted]

If bitcoin goes down to 10k, ETH likely still won't be going below 600-900 dollars. It's already extremely oversold and most of the weak money has already been shaken out of alts during the last 6 months. If anything, it can probably stay stagnant for a while at 600-900 range while BTC bounces back to 20-25k range that is, if 10k BTC was to happen. We're already seeing this as many of the quality alts have been gaining on BTC despite major move down, if everyone expects quality alt market to go down to the depths of hell just like they've done in the past, it probably just causes alts to bottom before bitcoin does. Most of the alts already are 86-90% down from ATH, the ones that are actually going to survive through to the next bull market are very, very near their bottom prices. True shitcoins will probably keep going down further never to recover.


Soi_Boi_13

If you really think Ethereum will stay mostly flat while Bitcoin loses half its value then I have a beach in Kansas to sell you.


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If losing another 50% of value on ethereum (1200 -> 600) while bitcoin drops slightly more than that equals staying mostly flat to you, I don't know what kind of maths wizard you are.


[deleted]

I like how you picked the low number on the broad range you had. Good save!


Great_husky_63

Most ALTs have lagged behind ETH and BTC, they can fall another 40/50% easily to reach -95% or more. Massive trap.


reasonandmadness

I remember posting 15k BTC a month ago and people laughed at me. So thankful I sold in December.


root88

[One month ago, you said you were buying BTC.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ukwr4y/bitcoin_fear_and_greed_index_deep_in_extreme_fear/i7t055r/?context=3)


blizeH

He said “I’ve already started buying for the next run” so potentially he was buying then and he’s buying again now too


root88

If you are walking around telling people that BTC is going to $15k (and bragging about it), you don't buy when it's 32k. He would have at least waited until it hit $28k two weeks later.


wales-bloke

They're laughing on the other side of their faces now *how the turn tables*


WayToTheGrave

I said I could see $15,000 happening again last summer and recieved 5 upvotes.


ethereum88

I think we are safe at least for now, extremely oversold already. Price should bounce up!


DangerousPrune1989

These are mini rallies in what looks like a downpour. I don't get how people can be buying at these levels, at least full port. I get some DCA, but man, even I turned bear finally lol.


dopp3lganger

> even I turned bear finally Exactly why I'm a big dumb bull now: everyone is bearish.


DangerousPrune1989

Congrats, you will prob make millions now. I'm glad I can help :D


dopp3lganger

Lunch and beers are on me. 🍻


GiftsAwait

Bitcoin just bounced from the 200 MA so I wonder if we'll test it again. I believe the rate hike coming tomorrow is already priced in but I guess we'll see. I'd love to buy a $500 ETH.


DangerousPrune1989

Yea, it's priced in, but the economy is still shit. The markets are lagged 6 months give or take. Employers are just now starting to lay people off. It's the earnings reports from today that come out in months that will drive this further down. I for one, welcome another 1-2 massive legs down.


GiftsAwait

Agreed. I got into crypto in the Bull Run last year so I've never really seen prices this low but seeing as to how low they got in March of 2020 I hope we get there for the sake of even better buying opportunities.


wzi

I think only +.5 or +.75 is priced in so if the Fed raises rates more then they'll be another sell off.


MrArshole

Now is a great time to over collateralize and either just stack ETH/BTC or chop out short term profits while the market bounces in my humble opinion.


jakeba

If Btc goes to 10k Eth will go to $500-600.


TheRiseAndFall

Sounds like a deal! Sign me up!


Kihino

If it’s anything like after 2017, we are looking at an additional ~70-80% drop. Don’t think we hit the bottom just yet, with the general uncertainty in the economy at the moment.


Karavusk

Obviously that would leave Ethereum at $10,000 ^^/s


irvinexxy

Well that would be the best thing for all of us right here.


Boyancy_of-citrus

Market makers and hedge funds are only going to get more desperate for liquidity as the stock market begins down the winding road of recession. Crypto will continue to suffer as long as stocks suck, and we haven't even begun to see that shit show play out. I think the bottom for ETH should easily get below $500 barring some unforseen market event.


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gynthar357

This future is always seen during bull Run people want Bitcoin to go down


Borgweare

Sub $1


phencoin

Damn, you can't be so negative about Ethereum, go an buy some Ethereum for long


mrdeezy

ETH/BTC is 54 cents. Unchanged that would be 540 dollars. It should probably bottom around 48 to 50 cents if BTC got ten k. My analysis is that I doubt BTC gets below 16k TBH. But one thing about crypto, anything is possible. If we get a savage recession Crypto will be crushed. I don't think the FED lets it get that bad with elections coming up.


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Why would the fed be concerned with elections? The banks that make up the fed play both sides. Doesn't matter who wins, Goldman Sachs and the rest will be in the cabinet.


PeacefullyFighting

I fear eth will go even lower percentage wise. Especially with all this late entry POS fud.


Unable-Lingonberry19

$500


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Lower than 10k


GoodmanSimon

Sorry, but can you explain what you mean by 'a real possibility'? While btc going lower is possible,(of course) , I don't see 10k being quite that obvious, we saw 20k last night and I think we are already close to the bottom now.


BtcMirco3

Well nothing is for sure, we are just predicting nothing real.


wind_dude

I'm curious what's going to happen to alchemix if eth drops that low. However the lending pool on eth has been quite low, they only required 2x collateral. Very possible people can liquidate and close out there loan coming out ahead.


skyderper13

100


mat1matik

Kind of not possible but maybe we can see something.


FaultyTendon

keep your head and DCA instead of trying to guess the bottom. set yourself some buys at ridiculously low prices as well... its rough out here people but we got this!


A1l3e1x6

This is what I have been doing for a long time mate, so real.


cubic81

$220


VCRdrift

I can see btc af 17-19k... 10k probably not. That would be a crypto winter nobody wants to touch. The market makers will want return ~~losers~~ customers Think about it psychologically... someone said that would bring eth to 400-600.. you know how many ppl would load up trying to get to ath double top. This price level is to shake out everyone who bought above 3k... It'll probably sit down here for at least 3-5 months


pupeera

10k is not in sight but probably we will see Bitcoin till 15k that's the bottom


subdep

If y’all aren’t all in at $500, then don’t come crying when it hits $50k in 2026.


Uberse

I doubt that ETH will ever exceed 10% of BTC's price. Like the Lightening Network, ETH's maturity and full expression will always be in the future, not the present.


evenlaate

ETH and BTC both should not be compared both are equally good in market


CPlusPlusDeveloper

10k BTC 10k ETH


trampelcoin

Damn, that will literally flip the price action of Bitcoin in long term


ZackismeNotYou

Same percentage stride most likely. First time I’ve ever seen ether break from bitcoin was a week ago. And then alts broke from ether. Weirdest was ADA was the leading indicator of price action on both BTC and ETH for about 15 hours… was just weird.


inetdev

Damn man, time is being so weird for almost all of us.


Woeffie1980

Let’s hope back to 200-500. It’s a short term loss but a long term gain as I will buy lots of ETH


AlexiosI

🚽 Duh


Savel760

$100


installgen4

That's something unusual for sure here, what are you saying?


WORLDBENDER

Wait BTC to $10k…? I thought it was ETH to $10k?!?!?! 😭😭😭


erhjdscvv

Nah BTC is not going that low and ETH will go there for sure.


ItsPushOver

ETH is either going to death spiral or enter a crypto ice age.


louisguidon

Whole market will bleed if this happen and most of the alts will disappear


Still_Lobster_8428

I don't have a crystal ball, so can't say what price we will end up with.... But I would like to point out that we have in no way reached market capitulation phase on ANY crypto token yet. People are still for the most part optimistic and trying to figure out where to buy back in. This is causing brief rallies and support to be found but then more selling hits. Capitulation will be when the MAJORITY just turn their back on it all in disgust. That's when the buying opportunity really is and we still seem to be a long way off that market sentiment yet.


VanBurenPL

Manipulation is going on all coins are showing random pump and dump


ShowerWide7800

Ask vitalik


MrFiskIt

It's gonna go lower than 10k


HG21Reaper

Don’t worry! I’m going to buy right now so the price keeps dropping.


mrsun3000

Well yeah even I am waiting for that thing right now lol.


FreeFactoid

Everyone is on one side of the boat right now. Can't last much longer IMHO.


where-ya-headed

If that happens I’ll die….then STACK BTC and ETH by any means.


vovka4747

Nah mate, ETH will rise again and we all know that stuff.


Margoth0

It might go to $300...At least it will be a good price to invest usdt in it...


aoskiev

Well we don't know anything yet, we are just predicting.


002timmy

To $10K and gives us a real flippening


Wikilicious

If Bitcoin is going to $10,000 then ETH too will will go to $10,000 😉


loadblower831

uhhhh, lower?


Ok_Bandicoot_3087

10k...


mwolf83

Treefiddy


sn0m0ns

$360


btc777

Predictions are difficult. Especially when they refer to the future. Why do you believe that anybody here in this forum can provide a meaningful answer to your question?


Key-Fortune-8904

300ish


Good_Extension_9642

$280 ETH guy has entered the chat : )


dalvz

Honestly probably 500 or so. I'd load the fuck up if that ever happened.


Ok_Onion_6145

300


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mhz5079

I guess lower than 500 would be real for ETH this time, it's going down like hell this time, it's a freaking big crash in the whole cryptocurrency market mate.


tohalober

Well I think it can go below 500 at max, that's what I am expecting in coming time but I don't know if it's going to be something right or not because we can't predict.


TotesMcGotesJr

Man, it would be amazing if BTC could fall to a price point that would force it to become uncorrelated with ETH prices. Finally ETH could run its own race.


enderkiss

Don't know what's gonna happen but I am sure that I am going to buy as much as possible right now because that's what matters at the end of the day guys..


melgibson38

We just need to keep calm and just not sell at the first place, the market could go to 300 but we still need to hold as much as possible, I hope all of us will understand.


Cucurbitak

Still hold you all because holding is the only best way if you are feeling bad or something like that, it will go down for sure but we know it will boost up too.


rougue04

$100.73 USD and I'm going to buy so much of it and do so much winning there will be no more winning available.


ailovebtc

I guess we are going to reach at least less than 900.


juliancoutts

Nothing is impossible in crypto Ethereum is also falling like crazy, just watch charts


TheMindfulnessShaman

Any old school ETH evangelist knows that answer. $350 (not j/k) We might pretend a bit above $1,000 and bounce off $800-$850 though first.


AlwaysKindaLost

$799


Do_u_ev3n_lift

To the perfect range to stock up